LibreOffice Gets Most Requested Pleb Feature: Gayribbons

Owen Butler
Owen Butler

OFFICE FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

The new Tabbed UI is ready for release! Writer, Calc, Impress and Draw have complete Tabbed UI versions. It has been moved out of experimental. Try it out by selecting it in (View ▸ User Interface). (Andreas Kainz)

The New Groupedbar Compact UI is also ready for release! Writer, Calc, Impress and Draw have complete Groupedbar Compact UI versions. It has been moved out of experimental. Try it out by selecting it in (View ▸ User Interface). (Andreas Kainz)

other shit

libreoffice.org/download/download/
wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.2

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Lucas Bell
Lucas Bell

a ui which can be toggled on and off
this is supposed to be bad
LibreOffice is designed so normies can move from using Word without thinking about it. This is hardly "suicide watch" tier.

Alexander Powell
Alexander Powell

What's wrong with it? What was it like before?

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Matthew Bennett
Matthew Bennett

has shit ui with ridiculous menu structures
let's jump on the ribbon bandwagon instead
lmfao

Zachary Lewis
Zachary Lewis

I don't mind the interface so much.

Noah Watson
Noah Watson

*MICROSOFT OFFICE FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

Cameron Hall
Cameron Hall

I've used earlier versions of Libre Office, and it was a nightmare. Unintuitive, complicated, bloated, and lacking features. Looking for options in many different places. Hope they fixed it. I'm going to check it soon.

Ayden Peterson
Ayden Peterson

office software
cattles lmfao

Jack Watson
Jack Watson

B-but cat-v t-told me that f-features are bloat...

Wyatt Adams
Wyatt Adams

FUCKING HELL

IS THIS FUCKING OPTIONAL AT LEAST?

Dylan Moore
Dylan Moore

jesus tap-dancing christ these fad-chasing fucktards.

LITERALLY NOBODY LIKES THE OFFICE UI

ALSO THE REASON NOBODY USES LIBREOFFICE IS BECAUSE ITS COMPATIBILITY IS SHIT.

Tyler Hall
Tyler Hall

updating software
updates break shit

Joshua Thomas
Joshua Thomas

based and reasonablepilled

Lucas Sanders
Lucas Sanders

You do realize that this is an option that you turn on and off.

Joshua Foster
Joshua Foster

Try reading before jumping to conclusions, it'll help you out alot in life.

Bentley Jones
Bentley Jones

At least it can expoort to PDF for viewing. As far as editing goes, MS Office isn't even compatible with itself. It's such a fucking headache sharing between versions because they've obfuscated it to shit.

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

It's developer time that was spent on implementing something that literally makes the product worse.

If you're using Office on Windows 10, which statistically, you are, the OS can print to PDF, which makes the idea of integrating it into the product kinda dumb.

Jackson Anderson
Jackson Anderson

Your subjective opinions just make those developers laugh because you have no connection to how they conduct themselves.

Landon Gray
Landon Gray

Libbie still not the official mascot
Why would I care about this software's changes in UI when it does not catter to my special needs.

Brandon Thomas
Brandon Thomas

I'm using GNU/Linux, and it can print to PDF, so I don't know why you even bothered making this statement. Exporting to PDF is important if you want to send a resume to someone online and you don't want MS' shitty compatibility to fuck your formatting on their end.

Bentley Mitchell
Bentley Mitchell

cat -v also think that pipes are the pinnacle of computing.

Carter Martinez
Carter Martinez

unpopular opinion: ribbons are kinda good because they force UI devs to think twice about what their fancy new button is actually useful for

Bentley Green
Bentley Green

You shouldn't be transferring document editing formats in the first place if your document partner has zero need to edit the document. PDF is the reliable standard for exchanging invariant documents.

Josiah Cooper
Josiah Cooper

Calm down, faggots. It's not default.
It's just not experimental anymore and is supposed to help you when you install Linux on your grandparents PC who only ever used MS-Office.
PDF is bloat and unsafe. All applications that used Ghostscript were affected by a bug that allowed for code injection through post script just until some months ago. It's like swiss cheese and everyone knows it.
The format was meant for printing and I wouldn't use it for that either unless I have to because printing from the software gets you better results.
Printing from a printer is a fucking meme too. Why force the printer to have hardware for anything more than placing the dots on the paper?

Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers

over a decade since microsoft shoved ribbon down everyone's throat
LET'S COPY IT NOW!!!
This isn't even a current fad you fucking retards. You truly didn't deserve Libbie.

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Matthew Long
Matthew Long

PDF is bloat and unsafe.
PDF is an incredibly widespread and popular format, so if you want to replace it you need to come up with a really good alternative.

Tyler Turner
Tyler Turner

I don't mind this. As long as the barrier to enter GNU/Linux gets lower and more people adopt it.

Jayden Moore
Jayden Moore

SVG exists and works. Document formats can also embed fonts.

David Garcia
David Garcia

SVG can contain Javascript, newfag.

Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

If you don't open it in a browser it won't be run

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

On nanochan 2 you can post svgs and the js won't be run either because of the security policy of the site.

Ryan Robinson
Ryan Robinson

SVG is pretty good for fonts and certain images, but pretty bad for general content.
Also, it is fundamentally an image format and not a document format, making things like text highlighting a lot harder

Jaxson Clark
Jaxson Clark

What about odt then?
* supports freely placable multiline text
* supports all kinds of image formats
* can print it on any PC with an office suite
There is no fucking reason to use PDF these days.
And a PDF book scan is no better than a folder of jpgs.

Jacob Diaz
Jacob Diaz

not to mention svg is supported too.

Landon Sullivan
Landon Sullivan

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF
The Portable Document Format (PDF) is a file format developed by Adobe in the 1990s to present documents, including text formatting and images, in a manner independent of application software, hardware, and operating systems.
I'd say the exact same about .odt.
PDF uses an outdated font representation format, a scripting language to be interpreted instead of being parsed and image encodings specific to the format. It's the definition of bloat.
It's like writing a javascript to generate a page instead of generating the page on the server and sending the finished page to the client.

Ayden Lopez
Ayden Lopez

odt is not designed with immutability and long term archival in mind, while the pdf specs include both of those.
If you notice, pdfs are not exactly popular as editable documents, and for good reason since they are crap at it.
And a PDF book scan is no better than a folder of jpgs.
Right for quality and disk space, wrong for usefulness.
Much saner to treat the whole book as a single file rather than splitting it in one file per page.
It's like writing a javascript to generate a page instead of generating the page on the server and sending the finished page to the client.
Ironically, in some cases it's better to let the client generate parts of the page dynamically rather than generating a million different variants on the server.
Classic use cases include frequently updated lists, large lists with many possible sorting methods, configurable layouts...

Nicholas Turner
Nicholas Turner

That's why you have cbt (tar) or cbz (zip). Nobody sane uses PDF for raster images only.

Xavier Perez
Xavier Perez

The OpenDocument format was created as a alternative to Microsoft's formats, like doc
PDF unlike doc/odt is a binary document and it does have a free alternative that, apparently, no tech autists even remember, DjVu

Jayden Anderson
Jayden Anderson

I know but that's for scans and so on.
If you make documents yourself there's no reason to convert to it.
And books should be digitized into small epub ebooks instead of shitty pictures of text.

Jeremiah Carter
Jeremiah Carter

Much saner to treat the whole book as a single file
How? And even if you're argument was good, zipped images are nothing new. See generating a million different variants
implying you have to save and manage them on the server
Dude you just get a request to your script, generate the respond and send it. Script ends and it gets deallocated.
sorting methods
No problem. Look at piratebay.
Ironically, in some cases it's better to let the client generate parts of the page dynamically
WRONG That's the complete opposite of what the browser is supposed to do and thus slow as fuck. Generating elements with kikescript, ordering lists over json, letting the server generate an extra json, parsing the json, ordering the data etc. all takes eternity.
You could have just send it in the correct order already in place in the fucking HTML. It's 10x faster and if the exact same view is requested often (like the start page) you can just cache it.

Jaxon Martin
Jaxon Martin

*sorting the data

Jason Morales
Jason Morales

And that's another big point: If you generate the pages on the server you can cache them instead of having to handle the exact same requests over and over again.
On the client side the same is true for external CSS because the client doesn't need to read the same fucking text again and again and the server doesn't have to send it again and again.

Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

I literally asked the question so I wouldn't jump to conclusions you dumb fucks.

Julian Hughes
Julian Hughes

why so many pics of libbie telling me to die ? where is loving libbie ?

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

where is loving libbie
in an alternate timeline where the mascot contest was honestly run.

Robert Sanchez
Robert Sanchez

Right here, dummy.

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Chase Gutierrez
Chase Gutierrez

How?
Because a book is usually treated as a single entity and its pages are usually treated as ordered in a specific way.
Keeping the pages as files goes against both of those, you can work around it but it's better to not create the problem in the first place.
WRONG
Memeing won't change reality.

Kevin Baker
Kevin Baker

Memeing won't change reality.
(((Avoiding an explanation.)))
you can work around it
problem
How is the default alphanumeric sorting of every file manager a problem? Just name them 01.jpg to 83.jpg (don't forget the 0 padding). It works and if you don't like it you can zip it up and call it a cbz. Which I already mentioned in the post you're responding to.

Hunter Flores
Hunter Flores

Libre != Gratis

Jordan Bennett
Jordan Bennett

What's so bad about the ribbon? I use it all the time and it's very convenient. Happy to see it in LO, I wouldn't have to go back to Office as much for complicated documents.

Hunter Watson
Hunter Watson

so essentially this
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Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

fuck libreoffice, learn LaTeX

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Xavier Garcia
Xavier Garcia

Oh yeah, the average normalfag knows not to open SVGs in a browser. Nigga normalfags don't know what SVGs are

Lincoln Brooks
Lincoln Brooks

I like Ribbon toolbars over dropdown menus because it's a throwback to some older software that used to have horizontal toolboxes instead of vertical.

It's:
- usable
- combines icons and dropdowns into a toolbox
- maximizes horizontal space
- ergonomic horizontal layout
- can be consistent across different programs

It's just a shame that 16:9 came around and made all this ugly because we have way more horizontal space and not enough vertical space. It was also useless for Explorer because Microsoft didn't make it tabbed or double-paned, and was a nuisance to anyone who had 2 file manager windows open.

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Grayson Gutierrez
Grayson Gutierrez

Examples of classic toolboxes

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Jose Sanchez
Jose Sanchez

Example of ribbon done badly

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Jack Taylor
Jack Taylor

Example of ribbon done well (by Microsoft)

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Oliver Brown
Oliver Brown

ribbon done well
That's like saying "cancer done well". Why is paste literally three times the size of copy or cut? Why are some icons stacked horizontally and some vertically? Why is the menu bar tabbed? Ribbon is a horribly clustered interface that tries to be both retard-friendly with big shiny labelled buttons, and at the same time heavy-use friendly by making an entire toolbox available. These are two audiences on opposite ends of the spectrum, you cannot serve both at the same time.

Ayden Rodriguez
Ayden Rodriguez

Finally a properly organized selection of settings. It only took 15 years.

install mscorefonts
remove 99% compatibility issues
Is this too difficult?
Also why aren't normie distros (mint/Ubuntu) including ms fonts and unrar by default when you select the "install proprietary software" option?

This would only be acceptable on a touch screen. If you have a mouse which can right click this ribbon is useless as fuck. But then again, KDE has their shitty toolbox on desktop corners by default too.

done good
has clipboard menu

Liam Sullivan
Liam Sullivan

This, don't forget to sage when you reply to shit tier threads.

The mods aggressively pruned the CTS labs / Intel vuln threads but leave this shit up. Makes you think.

Julian Peterson
Julian Peterson

You're a contrarian, we get it already.
No one is interested in how nothing will ever make you happy.

Jack Taylor
Jack Taylor

That's like saying "cancer done well". Why is paste literally three times the size of copy or cut? Why are some icons stacked horizontally and some vertically? Why is the menu bar tabbed? Ribbon is a horribly clustered interface that tries to be both retard-friendly with big shiny labelled buttons, and at the same time heavy-use friendly by making an entire toolbox available. These are two audiences on opposite ends of the spectrum, you cannot serve both at the same time.
muh size
muh coherence
I'm not a winfag but there's a reason their customer experience improvement programs can do the statistic and maths for that. I've never come across something as organized as that on any Linux program.
Also the keyboard shortcuts are still legacy that back when I used it I just double clicked the ribbon so it hides everything and even removed the menu bar itself.

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

They did fix nearly all of the compatibility issues, but the rest is a matter of opinion.

Try the latest version, and see for yourself...

Nolan Sanders
Nolan Sanders

I can't get this to work. Are they using the Qt5/KDE5 plugin in the screenshot? I've reset my user profile, enabled experimental features, and yet no cigar.

Brandon Murphy
Brandon Murphy

I really liked the Microsoft Office's non-flat Ribbon interfaces. (Office 2007 and 2010).
The cancer is not Ribbon, but the flat/low contrast design. Visual separators should be an essential part of this.

By the way the Ribbon interface design license is only free for "applications not competing with Microsoft Office products." So copyright strike is coming soon I guess.

Oliver James
Oliver James

The only problem I have with it is that you can't customize it. I'd like the ability to expand or remove them, for example I've never used a UI button for copy/paste before in my life so it's just wasting space there. The text below the sections is also useless for anyone with more than 3 braincells, and anyone who's used the program for longer than 5 minutes. Furthermore you could be able to drag sections to reorganize them and drag them into different tabs.

For MS paint I'd like to be able to expand the brush size panel so you can switch brush size in 1 click, and selection options so you can toggle transparent selection. You could make the color swatch selection scalable so you can drag it to become wider and have space for more colors.

Luis Martin
Luis Martin

spergin rebuttal (g as in virgin)
complains about software that they probably don't even use
literally complains 80% of the time IRL
Found the pathetic, otherwise well done for baiting me!

James Hernandez
James Hernandez

it's $CURRENT_YEAR
still using libreoffice over troff

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Jaxon Barnes
Jaxon Barnes

They better keep this fucking cancerous shit an option only.

Connor Phillips
Connor Phillips

Good the more normalfag friendly it get, the more mainstream it will get.
Having the same thing as Office without needing to download GBs, less bloat, not needing to pay a subscription or crack it seems like a great thing. Way to gather attention even from schools and Unis or small companies.
Deserves a formal mention to Libbie

Henry Murphy
Henry Murphy

LibreOffice is not primarily meant to edit OpenXML documents, so legally speaking they are not competing with Microsoft Office.

John Evans
John Evans

What's troff?

Joseph Turner
Joseph Turner

troff (/ˈtiːrɒf/, short for typesetter roff) is the major component of a document processing system developed by AT&T Corporation for the Unix operating system. troff features commands to designate fonts, spacing, paragraphs, margins, footnotes and more.

Jack Smith
Jack Smith

I updated my LibreOffice to try this, and now I can't figure out how to turn it back off after tabbing it. How do I set it back to how it was?

Lincoln Powell
Lincoln Powell

Nevermind, I figured out how to turn it back off. Under the "view" tab, you must click "menubar" to view the menubar again.

Logan Miller
Logan Miller

Why is it that contrarians and revisionists are suddenly claiming that the ribbon ui was a good idea?

Easton Turner
Easton Turner

a ui which can be toggled on and off
Which is what Word should have fucking done in the first place.
I like Ribbon toolbars over dropdown menus
Honestly, it depends on the application. For Word, it definitely made sense. Not so much for Access, Excel, or power point.

However, it should have absolutely been fucking optional.

Daniel Gutierrez
Daniel Gutierrez

I want to see them do a version of Outlook though
that would be awesome
they did the rest of the office suite already

Blake Jackson
Blake Jackson

Everybody who wasn't a boomerfaggot or the kind of drone that put "Microsoft Office 2003" on their resume as a significant skill thought that the ribbon was a good idea.

So, which are you?

Connor Smith
Connor Smith

redditspacing
no need to reply, all your credibility is lost.

Justin Perry
Justin Perry

How ironic for you.

Jeremiah Sanchez
Jeremiah Sanchez

I've always thought it was a good idea. The latest 0365 Outlook has a preview mode that makes it pretty minimal but is easy to bring up. They've kind of attempted this before but this is the most refined it's been where you don't also need a second bar with commonly used commands

Samuel Taylor
Samuel Taylor

This but with Geoff (GNU troff)

Samuel Rogers
Samuel Rogers

Also why aren't normie distros (mint/Ubuntu) including ms fonts and unrar by default when you select the "install proprietary software" option?
Because they're not necessary you inbred fuck. The Liberation family of fonts is metrically identical to the Arial, Times New Roman and the monospace one that nobody uses. For Cambria and Calibri there is Carlito and Caladea. For Comic Sans MS there are a billion replacements, including Comic Relief.

The problem with compatibility goes way beyond fonts. LibreOffice simply cannot render complex MSO documents properle because they're closed standard. It's a pain in the ass to port MSO documents to LO, especially Excel and PowerPoint ones.

Jackson James
Jackson James

What we all need is for Unity's HUD to become a standard in all desktops.

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Jaxon Ortiz
Jaxon Ortiz

complains about software that they probably don't even use
So you tell people that dogshit software is good and that you should use it, and then get butthurt when people tell you otherwise?

Eli Davis
Eli Davis

Nice, Libre office has the ribbon now.

Xavier Perry
Xavier Perry

That's nice, but it's still shit.

Jace Bailey
Jace Bailey

Unity is shit and has no business on any screen larger than a netbook.

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

Why is paste literally three times the size of copy or cut?
First off, it's not literally three times, it's four. Second (and I shit you not), this button is actually two buttons: the big icon on top allows you to paste, while the other below will open a dropdown menu. Here's where it gets hysterical: the dropdown menu contains three items: paste (which does exactly like the big icon above, for those of you who like to do in two clicks something they could have done in one - or with a shortcut), special paste (which opens a window for more options), and paste as an hyperlink (which could be moved to the extra window). In short, that button is four time the size of its neighbors so they could add a dropdown menu that serves no practical purpose and could just open a window instead.

Logan Nelson
Logan Nelson

Now I'm glad that Unity is dead. I hope Gnome will follow.

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Hunter Thomas
Hunter Thomas

Literally this. You can get some great reactions from people when you show them even simple LaTeX templates.

Of course your average office drone doesn't know either Office or LibreOffice so it makes no difference what they use.

Kayden Morgan
Kayden Morgan

Office still lightyears ahead of Google and Libre

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Brandon Hall
Brandon Hall

not posting the full pic

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Brayden Wood
Brayden Wood

Please do not bully the Unity, it actually got good after years of initial clunkiness. Trusty Tahr was the peak for Ubunut. Now we got people looking at Guh-nome 3's shitty brain-dead burger menu shit and thinking it was just like Unity.

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Benjamin Barnes
Benjamin Barnes

Anyone got screenshots from earlier versions? Very curious the evolution of the UI, especially in V1

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

Time to move to Apache OpenOffice bois, the true successor to IBM Lotus Symphony, with no ribbonshit