Any of you guys working on a libreboot-thinkpad type project for the PSP/Vita for a libre console? Do you know anyone whoms't is?
Any of you guys working on a libreboot-thinkpad type project for the PSP/Vita...
btw thanks mods for unbanning this IP
how do you even get bans here? usually they dont even delete threads and the redtext spammers posts stay up for hours
got banned for spamming, i was just bumping my thread a couple of times because it wasn't getting any attention
At least your shitpost made me smile
I wasn't shitposting. i was being serious
You can put a meme raspberry pi in there or an SBC of your choice and reuse the LCD screen. Other PSP components wouldn't be useful anymore aside from probably the battery and case.
The downside is you won't have much improvement with emulating in PPSSPP but you can do other homebrew linux stuff or develop your own games.
There used to be a lot of homebrew projects in PSP cfw but most of the sites and files are already gone.
If you have an old broken PSP lying around, the shell would still be useful and you wouldn't have to 3d print a flimsy case or button.
Vita is from 2011 and PSP from 2005.
Let's look at the hardware:
Quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore (32 bit)
memepi 3b+: Cortex-A53 (ARMv8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.4GHz
512 MB RAM, 128 MB VRAM
memepi 3b+: 1GB RAM DDR2
Quad-core PowerVR SGX543MP4+ (41-222 MHz see en.wikipedia.org
Not sure how good this is but it's from fucking 2011 and even an iPad had a SGX543MP4(without +).
So it's probably shit.
memepi 3b+: Broadcom VideoCore IV @ 250 MHz (BCM2837: 3D part of GPU @ 300 MHz, video part of GPU @ 400 MHz)
Which is definitely better.
Ups. Made a mistake.
Which is definitely better.
I don't know since I overlooked that the Vita GPU is quadcore.
That's worse than a Vita since it's fucking single core.
i was just bumping my thread a couple of times because it wasn't getting any attention
Kill yourself then
PSP is "low end" now but still a great device.
pretty gross, the pi is so bad you would probably have worse performance than the original PSP
The raspberry pi contains binary blobs and non free firmware
How does that make it bad? Just fuck of newfag. ThinkPad are very low-end (especially the ones we use here) but they're still great devices that use because they respect muh freedums.
Hey it's not nice to sage a thread for no reason
I'll give you a free triforce if you appoligise
No, why would anyone be working on that? BIOS and the hardware probably requires so much proprietary shit to function it is probably impossible. And anyone who would even have the knowledge to do so would probably not be concerned with playing vidya.
Maybe look up the Pyra/Pandora, that's the closest thing to a "libre" handheld "gaming" device you are going to get, even though I'd guess the BIOS also is proprietary.
Why not? It's a handheld console. It's a modular, sexy piece of older technology which the FLOSS and FOSS community love. And we haven't got any /lv/index.html consoles yet do we?
What's wrong with the Pi except muh freedums?
The Vita is just underrated and overrhated as the Wii U. both great consoles that didn't deserve what they got
Well, the hardware itself is super proprietary and all the software relies on it heavily, that is why a libre BIOS is not really feasible, if it even was possible. Consoles back then were more than glorified PCs like the PS4 and Xbone, they were designed to capitalize on the hardware to render things in specific ways. Sure you could do fun things like run GNU/Linux on a PS3, but it had no access to the RSX GPU, for example. If you were to get anything to run on something that didn't have a stock BIOS, then it would probably be super limited.
Maybe I'm wrong and there are BIOS mods out there, but considering how long the PSP and Vita and such have been out, with regards to the BIOS, a libre BIOS probably won't happen unless it has already. It's was a piece of work to get a libre BIOS on a crusty 10-year-old laptop like a ThinkPad, a console would be much harder. Excluding the people who really want to have fun hacking, homebrewers and console modders usually stay contemporary, and after while when the modding environment reaches a point where there isn't really any more work to be done on a console. Homebrew software for the PSP and 3DS and such are almost always free software though, so that's a nice thing.
Have fun with the PSP and stuff the way it is, and don't worry about the BIOS. As you know it's a super versatile console. For a portable catch-all emulation bitch that can also be used as a PC, maybe take a look at the GPD Win or Pocket. Or maybe as Switch modding advances there'd be a reliable way to run a GNU/Linux distro on it.
Everyone here is spamming Raspberry Pi as the best option yet no one has suggested a Libre Raspberry Pi? OP check out libre.computer
I'm sick of everybody recommend gay SJWpis for everything. I think they miss the point. Is there anything stupider than using some armshit board to emulate a classic computer for example? I would just use an emulator on my desktop if I wanted that.
A meme. The SoCs they use need proprietary GPU drivers or custom manufacturer kernels to work well.
This. You can get a used PC that's even cheaper than many SoCs and will be tons better for emulation and able to emulate many more systems. ARM is awful for this.
Sjw? Haven't been to interested In pi's lately but what if they do to fuck up?
respect muh freedums.
I have an old Thinkpad, Mr. pretendo oldfag. It's not great because of the shit processor, the 1GB RAM, the slow WLan, the unnecessary BlueTooth, the case which looks way more durable than it is but because of it's solid trackpad, keyboard, and screen (1400x1050).
What I'm saying is that it's not worth the effort. You would be better off making a new one or connecting a controller to some tablet or phone where you'd get more software because of more users.
However I'm not a fan of those in general. If I would wanted something portable, why not a laptop? There you could boot whatever you want because it has a BIOS/UEFI.
I even called it a memepi.
I just used it as lowest common denominator reference to shot that the hardware is really outdated and not that great anymore and was always tailored to just the main purpose. See
512 MB RAM
The PSP is handheld, a laptop is just portable
on topic of handhelds, what ever happened to the Pandora? was it any good? it claimed to run n64 emulation and had a linux desktop pre-installed. i remember reading about it years ago on wikipedia and then heard nothing about it afterwards.
I think the main problem was it contained non-free binary blobs, and it had more delays then the librem 5. And it's keyboard just made it a pocket pc and not a handheld console. Although if you made a DE/Repository center you could make a console OS
There actually is an attempt to port Linux to the Vita. But it's basically a novelty. Realistically, you own one to play its games (for genres like VNs and dungeon crawlers, and generally Japanese games, it's the handheld to have though) and optionally a bit of emulation with physical controls.
I would say it did, but it was in no way thanks to Sony, if anything they were sabotaging its potential. What really makes them is their modding scene.
The system at its core is ARM-based, but after getting burned with the PSP and PS3, they clearly took those as harsh lessons. So the Vita actually has a really impressive security system. It was not possible to pirate games on it for almost 4 years. It didn't get a decent dumping standard for a couple more.
Now though, the system is pretty thoroughly 0wned and if anything, the hackers fixed pretty much every shitty aspect of the system. The proprietary memory cards can be replaced with SD card adapters. Game copying is trivial and even downloads from PSN à la freeShop on 3DS. Game modding is possible and there are some notable ones like the Neptunia Re;translations and various de-censor mods. Overclocking is possible which really helps with certain lousily ported games. You can also play the majority of PSP and some PS1 games which otherwise you're limited to re-buying a handful of them digitally. Someone even figured out how to stream video through the USB port so you can do clean video (and audio through the headphone jack) capture. And of course the usual homebrew stuff. I would in no circumstance recommend the system without jailbreaking it. You lose so much.
For reference, 35c3 is a talk to watch related to the most recent exploits against its F00D security co-processor. There's a couple more than that though.
Oh god, the fucking OpenPandora. That was my introduction and lesson never to fall for crowdfunding since that's basically what it was. I pre-ordered to several hundred dollars, and got nothing.
What is the point of a libre console when all the games for it are proprietary. I deleted my N64 collection recently has it was the last proprietary software I had left. Yes, its just a ROM, but its software and has unavailable source. Find better games to play. Consoles restrict what you can do with your computer. But to answer your question, libreboot doesnt work on amy console hardware. The only libre SBCs are the ones based on iMX6 SoC and Rock3328 I think and a few others. If you need gpu acceleration, you should look at iMX6 and etanaviv. Pi requires proprietary operating system to boot the GPU and then Linux. Its non-free and the Pi is too expensive for the hardware anyways, Rock64 is better value.
Try a libreboot desktop or try to give up your ROMs and childhood toys and contribute to a better future by getting involved in a libre project.
this guy said it better than me anyways. the people that fuck with hardware and have an interest in liberating users are not wasting time fucking with consoles and videogames. playstations usually have proprietary unpublished bios required anyways to work. emulation is so heavy on cpu too. give it up user.
Oh and since I missed OP's question a bit, in terms of boot process, you can on 3.60 and 3.65 get start-up execution through HENkaku Ensō but it's not particularly used for custom OSes. It purely subverts parts of the main Vita OS such as for disabling things like signature checking, and allowing homebrew to access kernel privileges. Also a plug-in framework for doing various things like break DRM or video streaming. It's pretty cool.
Tangentally, the 3DS framework? ntrboot on all models (requires compatible DS flash card and a magnet) takes execution immediately, and a signature checking fault in the bootROM means it loads Sighax extremely early, even before things like the OTP registers (for deriving keys) are disabled. Again, there aren't generally custom OSes, you'd usually chain-load Luma3DS to do all the standard CFW stuff to the main 3DS OS, but it is also used to load certain programs at boot such as for dumping cartridges.
Except for all of the people utterly gutting their DRM systems you mean, and some of the work done for these consoles has been pretty impressive.
Find better games to play.
I play a lot of crappy games and enjoy them but there are actually quality console games. It's not all grey-brown military shooters and diversity shitfests. Additionally, consoles have two major advantages of sorts. One, I'm segregating proprietary code from my main laptop which is running Libreboot and outside of Intel microcode updates (stability makes it necessary sadly) is running purely FOSS. Two is even with DRM, it's homogenized and once broken, is broken for all games. The 3DS and Vita communities also tend towards being the nicest people and also heavily FOSS. All of the really important stuff is. It's only tosh like old 3DS flash cards that are proprietary and those are totally irrelevant now.
PC gaming, not only are the majority of modern games borderline malware, they're also rife with people inserting actual malware such as Bitcoin miners. One of my side projects at the moment has been trying to start a culture of SHA256 hashing of PC game installers in the /v/ share threads. Because console dumping communities are often amazing. If you see NoPayStation it has a very thorough list of PSN game download links, hashes, filesize, ZRIF (fake license to decrypt and play) and more. The culture of verification and databasing is strong. Similar stories for things like No-Intro or Redump. PC? Sweet fuck all, and sweet fuck all people even interested in doing it.
like i said, the games have nonfree source code. youre running unethical software when you could be supporting ethical alternatives.
bing bing wahoo!
So use the FOSS alternatives for the things that exist and keep the ones without a FOSS alternative in a jail unto someone you create one.
If people gave up on backwards compatibility and vidya everyone could be running busybox+muslc on hardened gentoo with grsecurity and a sanely configured for security browser with a desktop based on wayland without and dbus/gdbus/systemdick malware/crapcode. Which would kill 99% of malware even if you downloaded that bitcoin miner and ran it yourself as root since GRSEC's RBAC stops shit like that in its tracks unless you flip a bunch of flags and add it to a whitelist, which is a huge pain in the ass for an idiot just wanting to web browse on a ISO they downloaded.
for an idiot just wanting to web browse on a ISO they downloaded
even if you downloaded that bitcoin miner and ran it yourself as root
That's contradicting. If you just wanted to web browse you wouldn't download shit and run it as root.
know that your OS is not secure but don't know how to secure it
hear about *insert meme security OS of the day* and download it and a VM
run said OS in VM as root
run thing you don't know is a bitcoin miner in VM as root in VM because brainlet
not get hacked
It makes perfect sense, you are just too much of a retard to see the threat profile/model for the idiot that is downloading such a ISO containing such tools. Instead of say, compiling it themselves or writing the software out by hand from paper they printed onto known safe/secure hardware, it just depends. In the above scenario the user knows they are insecure and knows of tools/ISO containing OS's that claim to be secure. But doesn't understand the intricate details like disabling SMP on certain architectures or such shit for security's sake.
There's a few more console benefits actually now I think about it.
- Vastly smaller install base than PC and mobile, and even smaller percentage of those that jailbreak them, and no important information on them so the incentive to put malware on them is virtually nil.
- For Vita specifically, the current game copying standard, ironically, turns its DRM system into a validation process. Without rePatch you cannot modify the game's executable or data, and regular games do not have kernel privileges anyway. Also given people usually install games through PSN downloading like freeShop on 3DS, it's much less often you'll run into game copies that solely brick you. This happened with older dump standards, and is in theory possible with game mods, I think, it may actually not allow kernel access, but I haven't seen any such examples anyway since very few mods even do executable modification. It's usually data-only.
PC's utter lack of standards, and general distrust of Windows, means that my one laptop with it is kept off the Internet in its entirety. Generally it only runs GOG copies of games too. The majority of my PC games though are FOSS ones like Doom on my main laptop.
Then you create a game engine for the new OS and most Libre games should port to the LibrePSP, because a project like that should be a big well known one
I bought the 4GB ram model of the pandora, I think. It broke within a month by a drop of like 2 feet. The reason was bullshit too, as the LR buttons are even shittier than the DS' and so it dislodged the battery and fucked up the internals somehow. I never bothered to get it fixed and sold it for parts. It was nice, but during 2011 i could've gotten an xperia play or other decent android device for 200 and played most emulators just fine.
As another user pointed out, there's a project for linux on the vita that largely will be for non vidya purposes, and the CFW for vita known as enso which to my knowledge replaces the bootloader too.
If you want a portable libre console, your best bet is one of those community sponsored android handhelds. However, if you wish to have a handheld computing experience, I can't really help you there outside of reccomending some abandoned PDA type computers or a smartphone.