Is SSD a failed technology? It does not provide any useful benefits, but is more expensive and fail a lot more than HDD

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You don't work, right? You're just a kid.

My NVME M2 drive from 2016 has never had issues. SSDs can't replace HDD in price per GB, but you're in the minority if you don't use one for your main drive. It's okay to leap.

its actually mind blowing that you can run a computer with zero moving parts, besides the plugs of course

material science is cool yo

it makes anything loading from memory quicker. failure rate will be high now mostly because the technology isnt as mature as HDD. Once it matures it will beat HDD in every way possible other then price then price. Having a SSD does make a noticeable difference when loading shit and defiantly at start up. Maybe if you are a nigger youd think its a failure. I dont care about failure rate. If my SSD fails I buy a new one and reinstall my shit.

Because you are dumb

SSD are faster and it matters a lot to the average person, not just Zig Forums dudes
I saw this browsing the nerve center and im kind of stupid when it comes to this shit I dont browse Zig Forums but I know my vidya loads like 4x faster on the SSD and I keep some of them on there because of that, most go to the big drive just because I dont have enough room or they already load fast
I estimate this has saved me like... hours or maybe days of total load time in the 3/4ths of a year I have had this hardware, and the price of having a small SSD for running and a big HDD for storing is not that bad, defintly worth the time saved IMO
going all SSD is expensive and not worth it though

That's just wrong. If I remember correctly it's lower.
Only the access times are faster and that's because the HDD may have to move the laser head which is and has to be slow.
Access times are also better on empty HDD than on full HDDs so if you compare your old full HDD with a new empty SSD,
you might as well compare it with a new HDD and come to the same conclusion.

also meant

pureinfotech.com/why-solid-state-drive-ssd-performance-slows-down/
Same is true for SSDs btw.

The real tragedy is the lack of cheap removable storage today, its manufacturers happily letting "muh cloud storage" monopolize it with backroom bulk deals. Tape cassettes are under half a penny per GB, but tape drives cost thousands of dollars. Profits are so high that companies are content to halt manufacturing of LTO-8 entirely over petty legal disputes for months, knocking clients back to LTO-7 until it's resolved:
theregister.co.uk/2019/05/31/lto_patent_case_hits_lto8_supply/
Much the same is almost certainly true of optical, with consumer retail prices of 100GB BD-RE in the tens of dollars, but enterprise BD-RE blanks rumored to hit $/GB prices similar to or lower than HDD:
zdnet.com/article/the-optical-storage-surprise/

Paging to virtual memory swapfiles.

Even if you never, ever search through nor analyze huge amounts of data, never copy large files, never play giant games that take forever to load, and never work on giant assets (bitmaps especially) that have to be kept in scratch space, you use virtual memory.

RAM:
pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/
techspot.com/news/62129-ddr3-vs-ddr4-raw-bandwidth-numbers.html
PCIe SSD:
ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/700020/Samsung-SSD-970-EVO-Plus-500GB
SATA SSD:
ssd.userbenchmark.com/Samsung-850-Evo-1TB/Rating/3576
HDD:
>60-205MBps sequential, 0.6-1.9MBps random
hdd.userbenchmark.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3TB-2016/Rating/3898

Your PC can probably only post with 16-64GB of RAM, nowhere near enough to prevent constant disk hits with something as mainstream as a browser capable of accessing the modern JS-infested web. Moreover, if it's the faster stuff, it cost you a couple hundred bucks or more. SSDs are several times faster than HDDs, and a hundred times faster for the random accesses that virtual RAM is used for, at a fraction of the price of RAM.

SSDs are still far faster, for both continuous transfer and random access, especially PCIe ones.

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That's wrong the speed will break down really hard as soon as the cache is full.

Back in the day I had 1GB of RAM and I browsed the web. Now kill yourself you fucking shill.

The sequential numbers I quoted are not cached

I used to browse the web on 8MB RAM back in the day, and that's about as relevant. Modern browsers on modern sites require hundreds of MB per tab.

Wtf? SSDs are noticeably faster than HDD. Retard thread.

>(((modern))) browsers require several hundreds of mbs per tab
It's because of (((bloat))), as you already seem to know.

Yeah, that's not even something subjective. They are faster, period. That being said, do they really fail all that often? I've had SSDs for years and I even have some of the really early ones and I've never had an SSD fail on me. Had quite a few HDDs die in that time, though.

They have faster access times(the time required to get into the position to actually write or read the file), period.

Oh, also, in case my post before that was misinterpreted, by "post" I obviously didn't mean your browser literally can't shitpost without gigs of RAM, but that most motherboards won't POST with more than a few gigs of RAM installed, thus the need to augment it with virtual memory from mass storage drives to run modern software.

As well as sustained transfers, and read/write, and bursts. They are much, much faster in every way, shape, and form, as the benchmarks I linked show.

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It's also very expensive. You can't tell anyone that more than a 32GB boot SSD makes sense for any consumer.

An acceptable 256GB SSD is like $30, a good 1TB SSD is maybe $120. Neither of those is "expensive".

I don't think SSDs are necessary for most people. It's a technology that requires alot of care to handle, whereas most people will just install it and forget. They degrade with every write, so you only want to install something to it that will be in essence read-only for the most part. People install their fuckin' bloated operating system to it thinking 'geewhiz, what a flash!' neglecting the long term consequences of having something that is as dynamic as windoze constantly performing writes on a daily basis (more so with 10 and its forced updates). Technology should be for people who know what they're doing, not some idiot that gets a dopamine rush from seeing their bootscreen load up in 10 seconds.
Ask yourself, what's the benefit of having these things load up 50% faster, when it's really easy to have 32GB+ RAM these days and leave them open permanently?

Use SSDs for extreme speed, not for long term data storage.

It takes a very good IPS to compare to a cheapo CRT.

OP's info is outdated, SSD are faster and more reliable today.
In ten years there won't be any SATA ports anymore, USB standards will have changed as well. Good luck accessing what you saved.

This is retarded, baseless scaremongering. Modern SSDs are rated for at least 100TB of lifetime writes, with many models lasting well beyond that into petabytes by benchmarks:
techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
For comparison, an actively used PC will average 1TB to maaaybe 5TB per year. In other words, the lead-free solder in your mobo will have probably whiskered short circuits all over itself before your SSD runs out of cells to erase.

LCDs are completely worthless for what CRTs are good at (color, grays/blacks, motion, latency), while all the advantages of LCD (sharpness, flickerlessness, mobile) are shared by a variety of superior technologies being asphyxiated by the LCD monopoly.

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Also, adapters. You can still hook up ancient RS-232 devices to a modern USB3 computer, using native drivers or passing it directly to a VM, and you can hook up modern SATA drives to the SCSI connector of something like a ][ɢꜱ.

Ideal setup would be a small SSD for your os and a spinner for /home /var or whatever else. Add zfs for the extra goodness.
All the speed and the stability of a spinner. Go raid one for two ssds if your really worried about your little fast boi dieing one day.

are SSD as backdoored as HDD, or more? there is many SSD manufacturers, but they just buy firmware from other companies. how many SSD firmware manufacturers do we have and what countries are they located in?

recording and selling child pornography is work. if you do other work tell us how SSD is necessary or useful for it

this. when I ask SSD owners what benefits do they have from SSD, they can only say "10 seconds faster bootscreen" or "word loads two seconds faster", they never say how much more work they did or how much money they saved from it, because they didn't
SSD is just another jewish meme, worthless scam. in fact, 90% of latest PC "advancements" are just jewish meme, we did not have real PC improvements in decades. jews scam us, we need to boycott them, stop buying their newest botnet hardware. do not feed the jew, make it die from starvation

I have a fraction of that RAM and can keep a lot of programs and projects opened. this is more productive than looking where are projects are and opening them every time I want to make small edit

you forgot to tell where are they faster, nigger. what tasks are 10 times faster. is sending email on SSD 10 times faster than sending email on HDD?

from what I know, they do not fail that much if they survived the first 1-2 years. but they can die before that, often without warning

were they Seagate HDDs? or HDDs in laptops?
HDDs never failed on me, have ones with 50000 hours and they have zero write errors

I am not asking about benchmarks, dumbass. Show me real life benefits in real life tasks, like sending emails, listening to music, writing a document, reading ebook, watching child pornography

boot SSD to have faster boot time? even that is useless
any sane person with brain is not booting their PC but hibernating it. hibernation is sequential read/write so it's fast even on HDDs
even if someone is dumb nigger (like Zig Forums is), who doesn't use hibernation, boot time is still meaningless, because you mostly only boot your PC one time each time (occasionally more). saving a minute when you will run your PC for hours is worthless

very expensive compared to HDD
256GB is too small to store much child pornography, so you either need to buy bigger SSD (and expensive) or SSD & HDD, so you need to pay for two devices and it will complicate your filesystem

I can guarantee you there will. If there won't be mobos with SATA, then I won't buy them and use old ones, so the only way to "won't be any SATA ports anymore" is to send soldiers to my home to kill me while I am defending my SATA ports with assault rifles

I agree with you, amount of writes is not a problem. The problem is, SSD are shit who just die totally in random time, their electronics and controller just die

for what purpose?

two ssds cost twice as much as one ssd. so they cost per GB is doubled

Now I remember why I stopped visting Zig Forums - the shitty boomer-trier altright memes together with bikeshedding about topics by people who haven't actually ever used a computer for anything in the last 30 years. It is awful.

The solution is unite the advantages of both while working around any downsides of such a setup that might arise, through a caching mechanism such as bcache or zfs' L2ARC.
Have a HDD and a small SSD to cache it.

It's been extremely successful.
Faster read and write speeds are beneficial.

The reasons have already been listed multiple times. If you want to do 3 monkeys impression, don't get mad when people sage and call you dumb.

shut up, buy, consume and die.

What the fuck is wrong with Zig Forums vols? Interesting and/or fun threads are bumplocked or deleted all the time, and this low effort bait troll thread is still up after days.

What you consider "fun" threads is probably /g/ tier childish bullshit. The point of Zig Forums should be in-depth technical discussions, for having "fun" you having /g/, /b/, cuckchan, etc.
I agree that this thread is not of very high quality, but at least it is about the inherent fundamental aspects of two different technologies, and not about the latest trendy messaging app of the week or whatever you consider "fun".
I don't really remember any of the few technical threads that pop up now and then get fucked with. Only the low effort cuckime/frog/wojak shitposts tend to get anchored.

Data hoarders are the problem. You wouldn't need all of that storage if you weren't a giant faggot that is into:
- Self-worship (taking videos of yourself, I bet you're an influence too)
- Pirating videos
- Pirating video games
- Playing video games
- Pirating music
Do you think that Terry would approve of any of this? NO.

Who the fuck cares what Terry would think? He either killed himself or was dumb enough to get drunk and fall asleep on a fucking train track.
The fact is everything that is on the Internet will come off it at one point or another. If our parents lost their magazines, books or VHS they could almost always buy it back used (unless the copies were too rare or expensive). But as things on the Internet are expected to be available for free, nobody bothers to collect and then sell stuff. You either save it, are lucky enough to come across somebody who has, or you are out of luck when the thing in question goes offline. And that is without any infrastructure collapse. Don't take things for granted. Thins like libgen, TPB or torrenting in general could go away at any moment if there aren't people donating resources to keep it running.
And besides, if an individual can do a meaningful contribution in collecting and organizing humanity's knowledge, I don't see why he shouldn't.

You mean like robbing and killing people on a sea?
gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.en.html#Piracy
I have on my computer games and music I 'own' legally and a mirror of GNU software and it takes almost all my disk space. I know that TempleOS is so lightweight because there's nothing useful on it, but please don't say data hoarding is bad. Or are you downloading everything from a 'cloud' (botnet), so you don't have to care about your disk space? Data hoarding makes you independent. Only Terryfags don't hoard their data.

wew

Not sure I'm average but i torrent and seed a lot, I have 2 hdd died on me (seagate and WD) probably because of the excessive reading, good thing about ssd is unlimited read cycle.

Portability is a big plus, my 2.5 inch external drive died much faster than the one installed on my desktop, I guess mechanical drives are just not design with portability in mind, now my portable drive is an m.2 in usb casing, 3 years in still as fast as new.

The speed aspect for me is not about the geeky benchmark numbers, for my daily use, hdd spin up time is more important and annoying than read/write speed, for some older drives with terabytes of random junk, sometimes I have to replug it multiple times to get it to mount, ssd is just more responsive and consistent throughout it's lifespan, with hdd, reliability is a wild gamble, some drives could easily get damaged before it even reaches your doorstep, mechanical drive is just too fragile

Are you dumb

Good point. I wouldn't say it's "unlimited", after all you're still stressing the controller which often fails before the flash chips themselves, but yeah, in a situation with lots of seeking and little writing an SSD is probably going to last longer.

What a great and glorious opinion just reached my ear. I shall buy an SSD right now!!!!!!111

die faggot

everything is jewish tech now, go fuck yourself NIGGER

This is why people recommend SSD for main drive and HDD for hoarding you absolute brainlet

While Terry was good for starting the glow nigger meme I don't give one shit about the guy nor care if he would approve of me.

HDD manufacturers created something like this - SSHD. it's HDD with small SSD built in and used as cache. however, they are unreliable, if one part of it fails the whole SSHD is unusable
your proposal is better than SSHD because there would be two separate devices, so if your SSD cache fails you can just replace it, HDD won't be affected
but it's still waste of money and time to get what? almost nothing

it's successful in jewish definition of success, it is fashionable and goys spend a lot of money on SSD
but it is failed technology when you realize it doesn't offer any realistic benefit

how are they beneficial? how much more money per hour can you generate on your PC after installing SSD? or how much more happiness and peace can you deliver to the world after installing it?

can you post some examples?

sure jew, let's store things only on your jewish servers, so you can:
- record every time we access it
- deny access for disobeying citizens
- remove everything that is danger to jews or your profits
- introduce subscription model for everything instead of buy & own
- remove "illegal" or wrong thought contents
- force us to pay much for high speed internet

The support electronics in HDDs & SSDs are basically identical, and have identical failure rates (i.e.: far lower than failure of the storage medium). Moreover, if and when they do fail, data is recovered the same way, swapping them out of the drive, usually by a several-hundred-bucks bunnysuit service like DriveSavers or SalvageData.
You could have asked the same question about using a 15k RPM HDD striped RAID instead of a single 3.6k RPM HDD all those decades, or using a modern PC instead of a TRS-80 or a phone, or paper and pencil.

If a slow, weak computer fully meets the needs of what you use computers for, that's perfectly fine.

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Let me put this into words I think you can understand. You have to go back. You don't belong here. You don't even belong on /g/. Get fucked with your shit trolls. Also fuck the mod for nothing deleting this shit bait days ago.

only mongoloids recommend ssds

He's not the sharpest tool but you sound like a try hard newfag yourself.

so you suggest I should store all my child pornography on cloud storage?

he was murdered by CIA. now we will murder them

I don't believe you. There are thousands of reports about SSD just dying one day for no reasons. In HDD, failure is most often mechanical one, you hear some strange noises, get reallocated sectors, HDD dies slowly. Controller failure in HDD is rare, but not in SSD

exactly. What I am saying is, majority of SSD owners don't really need them, they bought SSD because jews shilled them. they don't get any real benefits in typical tasks. so it's a waste of money.
I am not saying SSD are not useful in any cases. I believe there is some rare need for them, but not for majority of people

we shouldn't buy newest jewest technology just because jews tell us to. we should investigate and analyze if we really need it, if we gain enough to pay jews with our life time (time is necessary to produce money), if the technology is free or botnet, etc. we need to be in control, we need to boycott jews and technology if necessary

You need to go with him worthless cunt

SSDs are only a no brainer in laptops. On desktops, only use them if you need a fast swap and/or FS or just want to use your M.2 port thus freeing a SATA port.

But all my other 5 desktop drives (not use for seeding) works fine, it's just the portable 2.5 inch drives and desktop seeding drives died (within 2 years mind you)

In my use case I just replace the failed one with ssds and continue to use hdd to backup monthly, so I get the best of both world.

I don't know where you live, but my local shipping company treat my packages like soccer ball, I'd imagine the survival rate of ssd is much higher than hdd in this case.

As long as you rclone it with a strong password and strong salt, make sure to keep the file/directory names encrypted, and stay squeaky clean otherwise with the account used for that storage (one crime at a time!) you should be fine.

What a fucking larp

what is more botnet, SSD or HDD?

mechanical disk dies faster if its constantly under load.. say a seedbox thats uploading at least 100mbps all day. it makes some horrible extra noises sometimes if you can listen to it. the kind of noise like the head cant keep up with it so it clunks for a while until it finds back to its place. maybe if they had some kind of access queue instead of trying to access everything at the same time.

ssd is much better than a mechanical device in a laptop its also infinitely faster than the shitty 5400rpm drives that they put in laptops. those shitdisks slow them down so much. especially if you are the average tard that uses windows. it has to access that clunker every time you click something even if its just a simple menu and it will take seconds before anything happens.

Probably true because of rw head bearings and electronics wearing down but not as bad as on an SSD.

Not necessarily. Sounds like you have an under powered CPU.

I'd suggest that you kill yourself, you mental defect.

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its not the cpu. the system is much faster with a ssd. laptop hdds just are the slowest hdds that exist. not sure if even the ultra poorfag models have those shitdisks anymore.

and dont forget that this was with windows and every single function in it needs disk access before anything happens. its literally slow by design but ssds hide that flaw.

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so is an SSD better for storing an operating system under low load ?
I see many contradicting opinions here.
In context, i have a small mini itx computer with a HDD (OS: devuan) loaded.
I am thinking of migrating to SSD because of electrical reasons (less energy consumption helps with the sub-par power source this pc comes preinstalled), not so much because of muh speed.
would it be worth it in my case?

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thats what they are for. i have had the os on a cheap ssd over 5 years and would never go back to having it on a slow hdd.