Raspberry Pi 4 has been announced

Camden Morgan
Camden Morgan

Raspberry Pi 4 has been announced. It looks like it's using VC5 because there's actually 1GB 2GB and 4GB versions.
ARM Cortex-A72 @1.5GHz, Wifi, Bluetooth, GbE, and USB3, as well as 2 micro HDMI ports.

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Thomas Evans
Thomas Evans

Trannyberry SJW
who fucking cares?

Jace Wood
Jace Wood

I know, right? Who wants supported ARM single boards? According to one of the developers, it's VC6 but uses the VC5 V3D driver.

Leo Johnson
Leo Johnson

socjuspi

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Angel Gonzalez
Angel Gonzalez

2 micro HDMI ports
For what purpose would anyone need two micro HDMI ports?

Jack Green
Jack Green

gentle reminder that the Pis all need proprietary firmware blobs to even boot and are slaved to the Videocore. Might as well stick with x86 at that point.

Benjamin Lopez
Benjamin Lopez

So I see a lot of hate for the raspi going around, didn't realize it was a "thing". The alternatives seem to be mostly Chinese nano versions or bigger more bulky looking models. What would you guys suggest?

Liam Edwards
Liam Edwards

It looks like they're still using the nasty micro USB power connector.

Lucas Ortiz
Lucas Ortiz

Nah, usb-C, which itself has become a clusterfuck

Kayden Reyes
Kayden Reyes

Not only that, the VPU actually runs an embedded realtime OS. Pretty sure it's glowing.

Gavin White
Gavin White

still no sata port

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Bentley Lee
Bentley Lee

I haven't kept up with these after buying the pi2 which was clearly designed by retards. I'm going to assume this is still the case because of their SJW virtue signaling

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

Seems to work great as a Tor node. No traffic except for the pozzed to shit chromium that shows up. I'm tempted to buy a Chinese alternative, but those are probably compromised too.

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Justin Evans
Justin Evans

consume product

Brayden Morris
Brayden Morris

You may only order a single Raspberry Pi Zero per household
That says it all.

Dominic Fisher
Dominic Fisher

4gb 55$ + tax + shipping + special snowflake power brick
uhhhh just buy a used laptop lol

Luke Jones
Luke Jones

honestly this. If you arent even going to use the gpio ports or anything special it comes with. You can get a much more powerful and more capable computer from craiglist or eBay for the same cost and it will have a screen keyboard and power supply.

Nolan Flores
Nolan Flores

t. underage faggots who don't have to pay for electricity

Grayson Green
Grayson Green


test

Noah Torres
Noah Torres

implying 45 watts is a meaningful power usage at all

Michael Smith
Michael Smith

If you want to save power you can clock down your CPU in yout shittop. There wouldnt be meaningful difference in power consumption. At the same time if you wanted to run more powerful applications you can still while with the raspberry pi you are stuck with your slow chip.

Caleb Flores
Caleb Flores

2 micro HDMI ports.
fuck off with your miniature connectors, I hate dongles

My pi zero w's can crash when struck by indirect sunlight. The beams are not hitting the board directly, just box holding it. Is it EMI related or does this board not thermal throttle properly? I don't know if only the W does this, this is the only board I use near the elements. Imagine if your phone turned off whenever you went outside.
You can buy an atomic pi with power delivery for about $50 on amazon. Next tier up is $100 of old x86 computer parts.
he doesn't live near a microcenter
you can take $5 off with a coupon
retailmenot.com/view/microcenter.com

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Christopher Cooper
Christopher Cooper

It is if you're paying for it you litteral nigger.

Gavin Wright
Gavin Wright

Just put it inline with a device that inspects packets like PFSense and see if there are is anything sketchy in the logs.

Kevin Reed
Kevin Reed

Retard, I do rent a house and pay all my own bills. My computers amount to less of my electrical bill than literally any other appliance, or the lights, or the fart fan in the bathroom. The biggest part of the bill is the HVAC, and I have natural gas heat, so only the cooling is on electrical; and my house is well insulated so my bill is pretty cheap anyway. And that's with always running my bedroom ceiling fan on low if I'm in the room, since I can't sleep well without air circulation and the breeze is comfy anyway.. I might pay a dollar a month to power my laptop and two dollars for my desktop, max. I reiterate - a laptop takes less energy than a lightbulb. I don't believe you're even 18.

Jonathan Perez
Jonathan Perez

Good luck throwing 50 bucks in the trash
rpis dying on their own
sdcards dying
no warranty
impossible to replace components

Ayden Johnson
Ayden Johnson

Search for "rpi camera shy"

Eli Thomas
Eli Thomas

It's true, if your computer doesn't sit at a few hundred watts 24/7, the bill impact is pretty low, especially if power is cheap to begin with in your country/area. There are many people that just leave their computers on all day, a good impact on cost and environmental help such people can make for cheap and with little effort is turning it off/putting it to sleep when they're not using it. You don't really have to buy a shitty notebook with the pubes of the previous owner in the keyboard though. A modern x86 itx system is not that expensive, especially when you build it yourself.

If you are concerned about the environment, buying something like the Pi is also the last thing you should do. There's kind of an "energy debt" producing and selling anything creates in our modern society. That debt is higher than people think. To really "justify" some of these electrical appliances, you'd sometimes have to use them for decades. That's what the eggheads mean when they talk about our lifestyles being "not sustainable". If you replace your 35W Laptop with a 5W SBC, you're not only not really saving power in a meaningful way (you'd take a long-ass time to break even on the price) you're also hurting the environment since that 5W SBC has to be produced and delivered for you and eats much more energy in the process than you using your old laptop would do. Here buying used is actually the environmentally friendly way.

Getting a cheap, useful entry-level computer for basic work is a solved problem in any modern western society. They are abundant. Everyone who says different either knows very little about computers or is lying through their teeth. I don't know if the Fundation advertises the Pis as "green option" (vs. regular computers) but if they do so then that'd be extra dishonest since these things get pushed on nerds that don't really use them for anything and they also refresh them every few months with incremental updates which only adds to the trashheap as people then get the new one they also don't need.

David Cruz
David Cruz

What if you live a country where power is not cheap? Am i finally alloed to use a raspi without underage faggots on Zig Forums throwing a hissy fit?

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Josiah Wilson
Josiah Wilson

That's weird, but you can buy all the Banana Pi Zeros you want, and those don't need the VideoCore boot blob.

Samuel Morales
Samuel Morales

Dunno. You're an adult. Do your own math. I bet most people in this thread don't even know what the kilowatt-hour costs them. Most people don't.
It's because nerds were getting scalped by people buying them up by the dozens and reselling them on eBay at an inflated price and it made the vendors and the Pi foundation look bad.

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

What fucking lightbulbs are you using?

Jeremiah Thompson
Jeremiah Thompson

A medium brightness, regular size incandescent bulb uses 60 watts of power, and that is what the vast majority of bulbs are. If you spend more you can get equivalent performance CFL or LED bulbs that use less wattage, but you're talking about increasing price per bulb from under 50 cents each to $2 and $8 or even more a piece. Not all fixtures can use those newer types of bulbs, and with LEDs in particular if they aren't covered you run the risk of eye damage. Can you not read or is your house lit with fucking Christmas lights? I was right, there is no way you're an adult if you've never seen a lightbulb.

Carter Rogers
Carter Rogers

user I know you're trying to make us sound retarded but you're doing the exact opposite.

Jordan Sanchez
Jordan Sanchez

I came here to rant that this piece of shit has abandoned micro USB in favour of SJWUSB type c.
Had until pi 3 (fact i'm not proud of) but i will be better off from now on with atomic pi or others.
That piece of bloated shit has become dumber and worse tbh so i won't regret not having them anymore around my house.

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Joseph Hernandez
Joseph Hernandez

Wasting electricity and pays for it
Calls others retarded with a wall of text

Ethan Jenkins
Ethan Jenkins

Incandescent
Fuck off boomer

Mason Wilson
Mason Wilson

So more ram is good.
Is the new cpu affected by spectre?
Duel hdmi is retarded, who the fuck is going to use duel monitors with this thing? The only real reason is to use a thin client in a business but you could do better with cheaper.
I'm going to wait until some testing happens before even thinking about getting one. It just seems like a paper weight like before unless it has better performance.
Also you could have gotten a rock64 or an odroid instead.

Brody Wood
Brody Wood

Raspberry Pi's have long ago fallen too my point of view.
When I began to learn LFS I quickly learned that the raspberry pi wasn't fully free software usable that was a big downside that left me skeptic to new products.
But when the raspberry pi creators took the marketing pill to sell without regards to computing and abusing gullible customers I abandoned all hope in these.
No user it does not interest me. Having a company that produce closed hardware and abuse the mental condition of their customers to sell more products repulses me.

Wyatt Cox
Wyatt Cox

Absolutely kino arguments. You sure showed how a cheapo laptop power supply literally adds a hundred dollars to your electrical bill. Fucking moron.

Ethan Fisher
Ethan Fisher

55 bux for the 4GB model
Or you can hit craigslist and get a pretty good used PC for that much.

Charles Foster
Charles Foster

boomer uses 60W incandescent
doesn't know how to buy the right socket LEDs
how the fuck would an LED of the same socket type drawing 10 watts vs 60 not be compatible anyways
LEDs designed for use in enclosed fixtures exist
You must be baiting me. All of my desk electronics combined draw 150W idle. You're telling me you use so many 60W incandescents that your lighting uses more power than things that actually need it. Fuck out of here retard.

Landon Kelly
Landon Kelly

LEDs don't work well with dimmers.

Noah Lopez
Noah Lopez

Can't turn a pc into a tor wifi quadcopter snagging free wifi off of buildings with an antenna, user.

Or an AV recon drone with a wwan HAT on a pi, to use phone towers as a radio signal. And control it all via onboard cam... on i3... while playing tetris on another window..

one can dream:^]

Ayden Cox
Ayden Cox

shilling SJWberry pi
fuck off
Arduino can do those tasks much better; also banana pi among others.
The fact that a simple camera can shut it down at distance makes your retarded ideas sound even more retarded when you consider this was posted before

And to be honest, is not that RPI started bad. On the contrary, it had a nice goal and starting point, it seemed like it could have future, but went full retard on each successive release.
Good luck with your bloated piece of shit paper weight

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Xavier Mitchell
Xavier Mitchell

But you can buy dimming LEDs if you're really bored. IIRC one state requires LEDs to have adjustable wattage toggles on them so you can pretend you're dimming.

Personally I just get whatever Home Depot's store brand of LEDs is called and stick them in the sockets. No mess no fuss it just works.

Brayden Brown
Brayden Brown

MUH BUMMER if you don't spend exorbitant amounts on fucking lightbulbs
falsely equating a battle station to a fucking laptop which was what the whole conversation was about
not knowing how the fuck electrical circuits work or that lighting fixtures have a ballast which must be compliant with a bulb for it to safely light
being illiterate and having no argument so he has to strawman and leave out the detail of an entire fucking household electrical system

Still waiting to hear how a low end laptop with a 45W power supply is going to make you broke.

Justin Brooks
Justin Brooks

Not really shilling it, just saying, and I wasn't even aware of that unit. Only recently been acquainted with several models because of DietPi.

Colton Gray
Colton Gray

basically he doesn't use LEDs because he thinks they have glow in the dark circuitry
based boomer

Aaron Collins
Aaron Collins

huhduurr uuuuurrrrrrr

Go back to cuckchan if you don't know shit about technology. The /g/ay club is two doors down.

Jacob Howard
Jacob Howard

blasts NPCpi
shills another Chinese product

Winning was never an option.

Leo Edwards
Leo Edwards

adding, it's ppl like you who take the fun out of tech, user. I don't even honestly know why people keep calling it socjuspi, what is it funding antifa or something? damn. Not everybody is up to speed with your sperg bs. How about explaining WHY it's a bad idea to consume raspberry pi's? That would be a good start.

Not like buying anything tech now a days is even worth it, with how compromised it all is anyway.

Jaxon Phillips
Jaxon Phillips

Only fluorescent tubes need external ballasts you fucking mong. Are you going to install a BULB on a socket for a TUBE? Yeah, didn't think so.
being illiterate and having no argument so he has to strawman and leave out the detail of an entire fucking household electrical system
<being this fucking dumb that you can't understand the most basic facts of residential wiring

Oliver Reyes
Oliver Reyes

I was about to order a Pi 3A from Adafruit actually. Now I want a Pi 4.

Daniel Lopez
Daniel Lopez

Connection to dual HDMI monitors to stream porn on.

Aiden Perry
Aiden Perry

They've gotten a bad rap because they're recommended and used by latte sipping e-celeb soyos who give off the impression that Arduino and Raspberry Pi are the end all be all of electronics, and blinking a LED or plugging in and reading a sensor with a function from a library is fucking l33t or something.
Plus a lot of these reddit soyboys don't actually know shit about tech so they use these things in places where a used laptop, or a cheap Android phone, or a microcontroller would be a better option.
Why do you faggots who are ignorant about Zig Forums topics and Zig Forums culture always seem to put a newline between paragraphs?

Adrian Morgan
Adrian Morgan

I just wanna learn to control drones with the damn thing.. or robots.

Parker Roberts
Parker Roberts

Unfortunately, it is. Cortex A-53 hardware is probably the fastest on the market without speculative execution.

developer.arm.com/support/arm-security-updates/speculative-processor-vulnerability

Zachary Scott
Zachary Scott

You fucking ask me buddy

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Angel Torres
Angel Torres

robots
You mean home made RC cars? Because acual robots cost tens of thousands of dollars if not hundreds and come with the control hardware and software included. And putting together a "robot" that's actually useful for anything is basically impossible for a hobbyist.
Drones are more doable, but you're probably not going to spend the thousands of hours it'd actually take to write the software for a drone. And that's where the meme for the RPi sitting in a drawer comes from. People buy those things thinking they'll make robots and drones but they end up collecting dust.

Adam White
Adam White

why people keep calling it socjuspi
Have you at least tried visiting their webpage?
They departed from the mission of "building all-in-one mini computer device for hacking and learning" to "promote social justice warrior values in computing / electronics" - leaving the self taught skills on the background if at all.
Their devices might seem still overall good from the technical point of view, but is compromised, bloated, not cheap, filled with "bugs" like the shy camera, and the device is being ruined with every delivery to appeal to their main fanbase which is illiterate soyboys (for example: addition of inbuilt wifi and bluetooth which is difficult to disable and even then i suspect it just cannot be fully deactivated - i wonder ((( why ))) - or the removal of amply available micro USB in favor of USB C for power input, removal of normal HDMI socket so now you should buy yet another mini hdmi adapter, or from the economic point of view it has betrayed it's 35$ mantra by being more costly with this new release).
Too long and too many errors to list at the moment, but you get the point. It all went downhill from RPI 2 in my opinion, with the removal of video composite. What's next? removal of jack 3.5"?
It was supposed to be a useful device for learning to interface with electronics, for programming, not a fucking "desktop computer device". I won't be surprised if they remove the GPIO ports next. They are at that level of retardedness.

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Wyatt Sullivan
Wyatt Sullivan

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Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

Has anyone got any x86 single board alternatives?

Preferably a quad core with at least 4 Gigs of RAM.

Gabriel Lee
Gabriel Lee

😂

Jason Wilson
Jason Wilson

I guess you can look at the VIA Eden X4.

Adam Robinson
Adam Robinson

The best thing is that the embedded RTOS the Pis all have also has a TCP/IP stack. The average /r/linux or "hacker""news" soyboys lose their mind over that shit in x86 but with the Pi it's a-ok because there's a black woman in the advertisements/nobody told them to be outraged about it.

I can get the desktop thing though, many people want a small (as in space and power saving) desktop arm system. I know I do. Sadly it doesn't happen, not because the hardware doesn't exist (it did already long before the Pi 4) but because all the licensing bullshit and general unwillingness of the corporations to cooperate makes it impossible for good drivers to exist that aren't either terribly written binary blobs or weren't hacked into some 3.x kernel by some random chinese engineer. (hacks that are impossible to port to newer kernel versions because they're bad and all over the place) I think the i.MX processors from freescale are the only ones that are properly supported (including graphics stack) but they're a mess and buggy (as in: buggy in hardware) and they also eat a lot of power.

They were dishonest about everything from the get go through. They advertised the first Pi as this generations C64 and it would've been if the C64 would've been an incredibly locked down black box where nobody knew how the graphics even worked. Some of the young ones might not know this but the C64 was incredibly open hardware. Commodore made no secret about how anything worked. The user manual included full board schematics and clear descriptions how the custom ICs worked, registers and everything. Same with the Amiga later on. The Handbook of my Amiga 500 that came with the machine included enough information for a programmer to write programs using their custom chipset and doing fancy graphics shit. It also included enough information for you to build a memory expansion by yourself if you were an electrical engineer. None of the ARM boards, either the Pis nor any other ones, were ever anything like that. You're lucky if get a description of the GPIO pins. Broadcom eventually, after much humming and hawing, released some detail about the videocore but it was still pretty incomplete last time I checked. The Pi is even more locked down than some of the chinese ones in that regard. You can get a User Manual for the A20 for example at least. Besides the specs, there's also zero information about the Pi 4s SoC. I doubt there ever will be.

It's really sad that we won't ever see a well supported and truly open ARM SoC because the hardware of some is really nice on paper. It's all corporate bullshit basically.

One point I do agree with them on is the USB-C port though. micro usb was not made to supply that amount of power ARM SoCs need (without battery buffer tablets and smartphones have) and the USB-C connector is a clear step up. Seeing how the Pi 4 is more power hungry than every other one before it, it probably would not have worked with micro-usb to begin with, things were already iffy with the Pi 3 in that regard. Still, the only SBC I've seen that does this actually right is the Cubietruck with a barrel connector.

Cooper Ward
Cooper Ward

No, it's a deliberate attempt to prevent people from building their own cheap clusters. You'll have to buy the expensive ones, goy!

Lucas Allen
Lucas Allen

Building Pi Zero clusters is retarded.

Does anyone actually have an i.MX6 based ARM SBC? They're kinda expensive but pretty much the only ones the fsf fully approves of and also the only ones who seem to be fully supported by mature mainline drivers.

Adam Fisher
Adam Fisher

The Olimex boards also have good power supplies. Actually I prefer the way the A20-OLinuXino-MICRO can accept an input voltage range, instead of only 5V. That makes it easier to find power supplies that can support a SATA disk. For my Cubietruck, I had to special order a 5V/3A power supply, but having the option to use e.g. 12V would have made things easier. That also means you can also directly connect it inside a vehicle without losing power at the inverter. The other nice thing about those Olimex boards is they have option for industrial temperature range, which again is good for use in vehicles that are explosed to cold and heat (or for other applications that are exposed to the elements).
But I use my Cubietruck indoors as as "desktop" and it works fine for me this way because I totally ignored the modern expectations of what a "desktop computer" is. I don't care at all about using the GPU, and I don't care about modern web or video games, and even download the youtube videos with "youtube-dl -f worst". I have my display resolution set to 800x600, and I do almost everything in a terminal, and preferably in the framebuffer console. That's pretty much how it worked when I had a 486 with 4 (and later 8) MB RAM, and I don't get any benefit from GUI bloat (and crap like systemd). Frankly most of the "progress" that happened since is a lot of bullshit. Like Terry Davis would say, everyone has been jedi mind-tricked into a cianigger prison. And you'll never get anywhere good this way, until you take a step back and restart again without making the same mistakes that led to this mess we're in. In the meantime, don't forget to set your grunt path, my dudes.

youtube-dl -f worst lKXe3HUG2l4

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Blake Torres
Blake Torres

OP was master baiting by starting an SBC/SoC thread with RPi, but all the sperging out over ARM is embarrassing.

It's because nerds were getting scalped by people buying them up by the dozens and reselling them on eBay at an inflated price
This is a HUGE problem. Looking through lists of SBCs, I see dozens of models with supposed MSRPs of $5-$15 that retail for >$40 and aren't even available on eBay for under $20.

expensive lights
Even completely ignoring the far higher efficiency of LED, incandescents burn out >60x faster than LEDs, so you're still going to spend more on lights
Are you going to install a BULB on a socket for a TUBE?
Note that if you're stuck with a fluorescent fixture, there are LED bars designed to fit those, too.

licensing bullshit and general unwillingness of the corporations to cooperate makes it impossible for good drivers to exist that aren't either terribly written binary blobs or weren't hacked into some 3.x kernel by some random chinese engineer.
THIS
I can't believe that, not just ARM SBCs, but ARM Android phones, STILL don't have something like UEFI, Open Firmware, ARCS, or whatever to define a common interface between hardware and the OS.

It is fucking impossible to install different OSs on ARM hardware, even different versions of the same OS, without a bespoke binary blob by the device manufacturer, or a handcoded jury rigged hack buried under 9000 layers of machine translated Russian forum posts.

One point I do agree with them on is the USB-C port though
This. There is literally nothing wrong with USB-C, the old USB connectors (retard olympics gold for having separate A & B connectors) were absolute garbage, just like everything else Intel has ever made.
Still, the only SBC I've seen that does this actually right is the Cubietruck with a barrel connector.
Barrel connectors are terrible because they have often have mystery meat voltage/wattage/polarity, and come in a bazillion ever so slightly different sizes.

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Andrew Diaz
Andrew Diaz

What's wrong with USB-C?

Benjamin Phillips
Benjamin Phillips

Barrel connectors are simple & reliable though, and that's what's important. Plus you can get adaptors to change sizes, if you don't have the exact match. As for voltages, almost every board wants 5V and always more amps than what the tiny connectors on micro SD port can allow to flow.

Jack Anderson
Jack Anderson

micro SD port
I mean micro USB port. Anyway those aren't worth the trouble they cause.
forum.banana-pi.org/t/voltage-drops-on-dc-in/846

Luis Adams
Luis Adams

If you're the same guy that posts all over the place about his cubietruck, you inspired me to buy one and I had a lot of fun with it. I'm currently considering getting one of these waveshare e-paper screens. I saw some cool example code for using them as terminal and there is a newer and bigger (9.7") screen that supports partital refresh which would be very helpful for refresh speed. Always wanted an e-paper terminal but the two commercial chink solutions avaible suck. Also since e-paper draws very little power, the cubietruck supports charging a lithium battery and the A20 only sips energy, you could probably build an eink computer that'd literally last forever on appropiate-sized battery.

Grayson Gray
Grayson Gray

where do you even get it so cheaply? all stores that sell the pi here sell it for about 50€. could just get a old real computer with that money that performs much better than some arm garbage.

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

I didn't read this thread yet but where are they actually in stock?

Juan Sanchez
Juan Sanchez

why would a dollar or two matter when everyone has high paying tech jobs? people here get paid millions every year while doing barely anything so some extra $20 in the electricity bill is nothing.

Owen Butler
Owen Butler

For two monitors.

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Camden Cruz
Camden Cruz

That's the wrong target group. It's not aimed at desktop use and if you used it for that you'd still get more out of it if the money was invested into ram and cpu cycles or a god damn sata port.
Last I checked it had like 1GB DDR2 ram which isn't enough for shit.
And what do you need USB3 for an a low power computer?

Cameron Evans
Cameron Evans

I can see it being used for ghetto DIY VR or digital signage systems (throw in a vga666 board for the latter and 3 displays).
That said, micro-hdmi connectors have dissapointed me more than once.

Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner

It doesn't have to be aimed at desktop use. You could use board to show infomercials in a waiting room or whatever, with two screens at different angles or opposite directions.
Cubietruck and A20-OLinuXino-MICRO also have two monitor ports, but one is VGA.

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Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

I don't even honestly know why people keep calling it socjuspi,
Not bothering to look
Not knowing about its proprietary binary blobs
Not reading about its social justice warrior (((values)))
They chose to stop being a tech firm and concentrate on being a wing of political agenda a long time ago.
2nd pic is typical
One nigger doing fuck all
One dyke doing fuck all
One STEM wamenz doing fuck all
One CIS white male coding
but "It was a team effort"

Julian Brown
Julian Brown

Well fuck.

Jordan Fisher
Jordan Fisher

Are you retarded or just willfully ignorant? Their target for this is desktop use. It's says right in the first fucking post, up to 4GB RAM.

Hudson Reyes
Hudson Reyes

The Odroid C2 and Rock64 hardware are pretty decent and they both have a GPU which will get support built into Linux 5.2.

Colton Barnes
Colton Barnes

Alright I see. I had seen those images before, the cartoon ones, but I guess I ignored it and thought, whatever, not like it's coming directly from any of these leftists anyway. eBay.

I mean it's pretty bad any way you look at it, most of the products we're buying are made in China. The Chinese are great at replicating products, but it's still bad to be dumping money on China, given their governments treatment of their population.

Caleb Price
Caleb Price

which will get support built into Linux 5.2.
Will they run under linux-libre ?

Christian Young
Christian Young

Yes, that's the plan. The opensource mali drivers have been worked on and off and it didn't make a lot of sense to hope before, but now the developments have actually been merged into the mainline kernel and mesa respectively, so it's time to be cautiously optimistic. I heard a lot of stuff still doesn't work, though. I wonder what X11 acceleration is like. On the A20 with fbturbo it was pretty good together with the sunxi legacy kernel as it took advantage of hardware features like the mixer processor the A10/20 has. I doubt these drivers will and they'll probably focus more on generic glamor. Still, better than nothing. It can make a huge difference especially at higher resolutions. I don't really care about 3D acceleration otherwise personally. It's these developments of actually supporting the hardware of the SoC (GPU, crypto accelerator etc.) that actually make them useful in the end, as it's pretty bad for them if the CPUs have to do everything, as these just simply aren't very fast.

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

If that bothers you, then buy european-made SBC from Olimex, they're a bulgarian company. Granted, the Allwinner SoC like A20 or A53 is made in China, but even they license their processor designs from ARM Holdings, which is a british company that goes all the way back the late 80's when the very first Acorn RISCOS computers were made there.

Samuel Allen
Samuel Allen

what are your thougths on Orange Pi?

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Tyler Robinson
Tyler Robinson

archive.fo/oGoJK

Brayden Flores
Brayden Flores

archive.fo/Qlwei
social media post under them seem to enjoy uploading multiple post about the same topic. their picture is also celebrating pride month which just show me that they only care about marketing than their original goal.

Nolan Phillips
Nolan Phillips

linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort

Allwinner chips have the advantage that they have a relatively big and active community (for ARM) around them that's very interested in mainlining the hardware because it's so cheap and abundantly available. It's probably the best alternative to the Pi, especially if the free, reverse engineered Lima drivers mature. Also you can get them up and running without firmware blobs. No thanks to the manufacturer though. Allwinner is a chinese company that in typical chinese fashion gives no shits about the opensource community and is, also in typical chinese fashion, a notorious GPL violator. There are many ARM SoCs that are technically better but there the manufacturers don't even pretend to give a shit about the linux kernel or opensource. Best and most mature support still belongs to the i.MX6. It is expensive and it's getting kinda up there in age though. The newer i.MX7 and 8 don't see much mainlining activity sadly.

Angel Brown
Angel Brown

I thought librem were mainlining stuff for the 8

Ryder Hall
Ryder Hall

Most Pi's are actually made in a British factory owned by Sony, did you know that? You just spoke shit against your European ancestors.

Mason Gutierrez
Mason Gutierrez

I picked up a 4GB model at my local MicroCenter and am running some Phoronix tests on it.

Jordan Carter
Jordan Carter

Video is 720p h.265. Everything is very smooth.

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Thomas Rivera
Thomas Rivera

Is it still complete ass to get Netflix and Amazon prime video running on one? I know the latter has been a complete ass since the bitchfight between Amazon and Google ended up with Amazon clamping down on their streaming thingy but I personally don't care enough to check why.
Got some less tech inclined friends whose got a The Grand Tour addiction.

Joshua Green
Joshua Green

Stick to android for that stuff, much easier. linux userland is not really friendly to multimedia. Lots of SBCs out there that have reasonable Android images. Or just get a firestick or sth.

Kayden Robinson
Kayden Robinson

Teach him how to use bittorrent and stop giving his money to jews

Jacob Ross
Jacob Ross

Sadly they're the kind who'd end up sharing all their personal information on tpb in the attempt to dl just one episode.
Basic social media usage etiquette to avoid hoovering of personal information and avoiding getting scammed is something I only just managed.
If the fan whine of a jewtel NuC and clones wasn't like a cheap laptop being spanked or the silent ones are either stupid expensive or constantly on the verge of overheating , I'd have recommended that instead.

Brandon Gomez
Brandon Gomez

based and redpilled.

Cameron Cruz
Cameron Cruz

do any of you recommend Odroid, Cubietruck or Atomic pi as a substitute for a kodi mediacenter?
I previously had a 3b pi , but it is slow compared to what i believe would perform those others mentioned.

Leo Gray
Leo Gray

No mention of BeagleBoard itt. Originally, the recommended way to flash Libreboot before they added Pi instructions

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Josiah Phillips
Josiah Phillips

What do you think of the pi zero?
There are good looking project using it:
n-o-d-e.net/nano_server2.html

Luke Morris
Luke Morris

It's a great lan hacking tool, I got a usb ethernet adapter and it fits inside. Basically you plug in an existing ethernet cord and plug the usb into the pc, which powers the pi. Completely invisible to the domain network, and since the pc automatically trusts it, you can get password dumps and ssh administrator reverse shells instantly. Plus the pc gets the ip packets so it doesn't even release any problem.

Connor Martinez
Connor Martinez

I find them handy for USB slave (emulating ethernet adapter) operating as self-contained mcu running Linux, controlled via SSH or serial telnet.
Gives access to SPI and i2c, and with a Bluetooth-to-serial adapter, you can even use it with a smartphone or a gimped laptop.
Cheaper than a Bus Pirate and et al.

Christian Cruz
Christian Cruz

Everything is very smooth.
Fuck off nigger. Any computer since the 2006 can do that. Having VLC working smooth with for that is the most frustrating thing I had to do for it.
It's doesn't even work properly. It requires a proprietary blob called "mmal" for decoding and "omxil" for encoding. You can't avoid them if you want gpu hardware acceleration.
mmal even has it's own player that doesn't even respect X11 standards. It creates an independent layer on top of it and you can't even embed in VLC or even MPV.
Tbh the less worse raspberry PI was the 2B.
All of these small boards could be very good if manufacturer weren't fags who'd put blobs and didn't respect GNU/linux's way of working.

Jeremiah Green
Jeremiah Green

muh es jay dubayoos
You hate white people, chink.

Lincoln Rodriguez
Lincoln Rodriguez

Men use FPGAs.

Tyler Butler
Tyler Butler

FPGA's
not reconfiguring wire-wrap backplanes with 7400 logic ic's

Hudson Cruz
Hudson Cruz

FPGA can get you at least m68k performance, since they sell MiST board and others like it. The problem is those are setup as gaming stations, don't have real expansion bus and ports and other stuff a real computer needs. Even just adding more RAM is impossible. Even a little Amiga 500 can take extra 8+ megs, and lots more if you add accelerator card.

Nathaniel Powell
Nathaniel Powell

what are the alternatives for raspberry pi?

John Perez
John Perez

You'd be looking at something from Olimex, Pine64 or HardKernel if you want actual support and not chingchongs crapping out shit that the community has to fix software flaws of.

Samuel Rivera
Samuel Rivera

micro HDMI ports
Oh, I get it, they included a second one for when the first breaks.

Nolan Foster
Nolan Foster

Arduino can do those tasks much better
Get a clue. Arduinos use $2 8-bit microcontrollers that can't do any of those tasks.

Logan Baker
Logan Baker

MiST
don't have real expansion bus
github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/IO-Board
adding more RAM is impossible.
github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/SDRAM-Board

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Camden Ward
Camden Ward

Some I/O ports isn't like having the full Zorro CPU bus to do whatever you want with. With any real Amiga, you could plug in any kind of expansion you wanted. They even made cases where you could put the A500 board and plug in stuff like 68040 accelerator board with up to 256 megs of 32-bit memory, SCSI controller card, network card, RTG video card, midi/sound card, Video Toaster, and so on. Basically your expansions were only limited by your budget.
With MiST board, you get a selection of I/O ports and maybe a bit of memory, but I can't even tell how much from that github site, and it says the memory is needed to run any of those cores, so it doesn't even sound like an actual expansion. Can it even take the 9 megs of a maxed-out 68000 (non-accelerated) Amiga 500?
The FPGA is also quite a bit more expansive than my ARM SBC that's got 1 GHz dual core Cortex-A7, 2 GB RAM, GigE, SATA, USB, HDMI, VGA, and GPIOs. I won't count the wireless and GPU that I don't use because they need bullshit drivers (but those have some free alternative drivers for Linux).
So the MiST is a good solution for an emulation station that you don't want to fuck with constantly due to OS upgrades, but it's not a general purpose computer like I am using now my ARM SBC for running NetBSD. I mean, I do everything on this computer, including making PDFs from LaTeX, online banking, watching videos (alias yt='youtube-dl -f worst'), and so on. There's no way that FPGA can accomodate even my meager needs.

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

expansive
I mean expensive. Web shops I've seen list it at 200+ euros, or maybe more if you order it with various options. Anyway most of them list it as out of stock, so maybe you can't even buy it anymore.
In any case, my next purchase must be an A64 SoC board to run OpenBSD. That will be well under 100 euros, everything included.

Aaron Cruz
Aaron Cruz

I still have tons of real amiga hardware, including a 68060 accelerator which I heard is worth it's weight in gold now. Got that stuff for a pittance back then.

Workbench was such a smooth user experience, even on a dingy ~8 Mhz 68k and 512 kb of RAM. It's fucking ridiculous that we have these quadcore machines in the Ghz range with gigabytes of RAM and the simple act of moving a window in a graphical environment chokes the CPUs out. It's not the hardware that is to blame. The software is just all shit, all the way down. If some talented people would actually focus on one SoC and it's hardware properties, they could probably write a blazing software environment around it. This one-size-fits-all philosophy made sense for a while but I feel now that Moore's Law is dead we need talented programming again to get the most out of stuff.

Nicholas Rivera
Nicholas Rivera

I don't disagree with you about the blobs, but they have people actively working to support it for years.
Most of these single boards can't boot from USB so grabbing the latest Debian/Fedora iso to install wont work. You must cross compile a new kernel and build your own new image from scratch because newer hardware has become available and nobody gives a shit about older boards by then.

Leo Scott
Leo Scott

I'm slowly adding sensors to mine on the patio.

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Daniel Reyes
Daniel Reyes

rpi 4b 2g version with 2 external drives

running:
samba
sabnzbd
sickgear
nginx

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Angel Bell
Angel Bell

With MiST board, you get a selection of I/O ports and maybe a bit of memory
My point in linking that wasn't those specific board kits, but that the numerous expansion busses connected to the FPGA were capable of all that and more: Two 40-pin GPIO headers, a 10-pin ADC header, and an Arduino header with 10-pins for DAC.
I can't even tell how much from that github site
Can it even take the 9 megs of a maxed-out 68000 (non-accelerated) Amiga 500?
Under "Assembly", it lists a 32MB PC166 SDRAM chip for the kit that MiSTer's softcores support stock, but obviously it could take whatever RAM or other device you can fit controller logic for in your own softcore.
The FPGA is also quite a bit more expansive than my ARM SBC
That's because the board also has an 800MHz dual-core Cortex A9 SoC with 1GB DDR3, GbE, USB OTG, SD socket, and 14-pin LTC header, as an onboard host system.
200+ euros
That's ridiculous, Digikey stocks it for €113 in baguetteland.

Zachary Hall
Zachary Hall

We are forced to use LED in yurop :(
I fucking hate the flicker

Angel Harris
Angel Harris

mist
intel fpga
I have considered your offer and I politely choose to decline it.

Parker Edwards
Parker Edwards

LED should massively outperform incandescent on flicker unless you're using absolute trash. Pick something with <10% flicker percent and <0.03 flicker index:
ledbenchmark.com/

Nothing specific about that board, or that FPGA, I'm just noting that every hobbyist FPGA platform I'm aware of is loaded with expansion capabilities.

Thomas King
Thomas King

How? LEDs dont shine at all when the polarity switches while incandescents mostly stay hot and thus glow.

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

That's only the case with an extremely primitive rectifier. Any normal LED luminaire's rectifier, like that in your PC's PSU, includes additional components to produce smooth DC output with only slight ripple:
ledbenchmark.com/faq/LED-Flicker-Measurement.html

Sebastian Foster
Sebastian Foster

Cortex A9
Speculative execution botnet tbh. Don't fall for this, use only Cortex A7 and A53, or the older ones like ARM7 and ARM9 that they used in the Nintendo DS.

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Jaxon Diaz
Jaxon Diaz

Speculative execution
Microcode can disable that for secure applications, and leave it available for applications where security isn't an issue.

Ryan Thomas
Ryan Thomas

You mean this?
invalidate the branch predictor using a BPIALL instruction
I don't want to have to deal with this kind of stuff, so that's why I bought an A20 SoC board, and not for example a faster RK3399. From my POV, there should never be any chance of the processor doing something irregular or unexpected, it should always behave deterministically and in a simple manner that's easy to follow. The CPU must by default not do anything weird, and ideally there should be no chance at all of it behaving like that.

David Morris
David Morris

or the older ones like ARM7 and ARM9 that they used in the Nintendo DS
Are you mentally retarded? This appears to be the case.

Nathan Walker
Nathan Walker

calls others retard
can't even properly articulate his thoughts

William Rivera
William Rivera

I support LGBTQ+ rights if only to piss incels like you off.

Jaxon Morris
Jaxon Morris

For non retarded people, it's crystal clear why you're an idiot.

Chase Campbell
Chase Campbell

No u.

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Adrian Anderson
Adrian Anderson

Imagine if your phone turned off whenever you went outside.
I don't have to imagine. End my life.

Justin Thompson
Justin Thompson

Olimex, Pine64 or HardKernel if you want actual support and not chingchongs
thanks for the tips, user.

Jack Foster
Jack Foster

looks kind of neat user. shame we don't have cables that practically disappear themselves in current year tbh.

John Moore
John Moore

Olimex
Turks
Pine64
Chinese as well
HardKernel
Worst Korea.

Carson Foster
Carson Foster

Chinese
I automatically don't trust it.
20 bucks says one of those chips steals data and sells it back to their government.

Joshua Cruz
Joshua Cruz

how do you power those drives?
I'm thinking of building nas/torrentbox with my 4gb model with raid1 array and was looking into powering two drives through usb, but their power draw was higher than pi could supply (in theory).

Sebastian Wright
Sebastian Wright

the performance of that will be terrible.

Daniel Jenkins
Daniel Jenkins

Grab one of those USB controllers with hardware RAID.

Matthew Gutierrez
Matthew Gutierrez

all those choices are better than jews

Liam Nguyen
Liam Nguyen

their government
Not my problem. I'm sure if I were Chinese, I'd probably prefer burgerlard electronics for the same reason.

Gabriel Anderson
Gabriel Anderson

IMO I'd feed it 5V @ 5A through the two 5V headers in the gpio stack (and use two GND's too, d'uh).

Ethan Rodriguez
Ethan Rodriguez

actually, I checked the docs and it says it can only output 1.2 amps total through all usb ports. Guess I have to get a double drive dock.

Brody Bennett
Brody Bennett

For that kind of thing, you're better off with ROCKPro64 board. Too late if you already bought the pi, but for anyone else reading this, well the other board has PCIe sata card for connecting multidple disks.
pine64.org/rockpro64/

Brody Miller
Brody Miller

Ain't that only when power is supplied by micro-usb/usb-C?

Isaiah Rivera
Isaiah Rivera

Could you post more about your homemade weather station, user? Interested in this myself.

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

I have a cubox (i.MX6 quadcore with 2 GB of RAM, Cortex A9) it's slightly faster than the A20 and it has double the cores, which really helps with compiling in gentoo. I've tried tons of SoCs for light Desktop use (means no shit like gnome bloat; classical X11 with fluxbox and a few lightweight apps, no browsing, gentoo) because I always liked that small-computer, low power, fanless concept. Running blobless is a plus. I tried everything from Allwinner to Rockchip to Pi, even the SoCs considered "well supported" were all kinds of garbage when it came how well their hardware (hrng, crypto, gpu, vpu, stuff like i2s etc.) was actually supported. Pi is a blob nightmare and sometimes they also do have issues that won't be resolved for months and get buried in tons of shilling. The only one that was kinda ok was the A20 and only on the right boards and only if you didn't need graphics. (Lima and Panfrost are eternally on the level of nouveau but somehow less useful, forget about them)

I finally came across the i.MX6 in form of a used cubox on ebay and that's the only ARM system that really deserves the title "free and well supported". It has proper GPU drivers and proper accelerated X11 for them, the SoCs features like crypto, 2D engine etc. are all properly supported by mainline without any weird out-of-tree patching and on top of that, you don't need a single blob to run it, only for video encoding and encoding which is very painless to get running. Downside is that the CPUs are Cortex A9, which is susceptible to spectre. Doesn't matter to me because I don't run code on it I don't trust. It also has that slight speed edge the A20 misses for me to be truly useful, while consuming about the same power of a cubietruck.

Biggest downside is the price because of how expensive the SoC is. Look if you can get one used for cheap if you're interested. It's not worth what it's usually offered for.

Sebastian Mitchell
Sebastian Mitchell

is there really anything preventing me from unlocking those mediatek bootloaders with dd? i did this once on a non mediatek device because someone had a image of the loader in a unlocked state and i had root on the device and it worked.

Daniel Gomez
Daniel Gomez

incandescents burn out >60x faster than LEDs

I had that preLED spiral 16W light bulb in my table light for many-many years, then it finally died, dad being cheap bought two noname chinashit LEDs, and they already died in like 4 months without much use :(

Justin Baker
Justin Baker

People want small size, if you are lucky to buy a cheap old notebook, it is still quite big to tape it to TV, also noise.

Ryan Fisher
Ryan Fisher

leds can last forever too. like a status led.. i have never seen those die on any device even though they are always on for many years

Easton Scott
Easton Scott

Just like when fluorescent energy saving bulbs that fitted in conventional screw bulb sockets first emerged.
They were either cheap as shit and died quickly or fuckexpensive but had respectable lifetime.
The biggest trouble with LED lightbulbs when they're not bargain bin shit is that they don't like heat or very cold conditions.
And some old lamps ain't designed for sufficient thermal convection to keep LED's happy.

Easton Peterson
Easton Peterson

I'm currently running a setup consisting of BME280 (Temp/Hum/Bar), SGP30 (Co2/TVOC), VEML6075 (UV). Adafruit and Sparkfun have their own python libraries for most of the sensors and documentation for hooking everything up. If you do go through Adafruit, buy it on Amazon. Their shipping is expensive and slow.

The BME280 is solid, assuming you don't read from it every second in which case it sometimes flips values to negative. All CO2+TVOC sensors have a 12-48 first run burn in period. The CSS811 doesn't work very well on Pis because of clock stretching, but its readings gradually increase too if you run it all day long. I've found the SGP30 to be a bit more stable. You will need to save the baseline sensor values after running 12 hours for use in your every day value grab script. I use python to run the 20 minute loop then f.write to appended file. The VEML6075 works well, but will sometimes read negative values in the dark. Avoid the SI1145. I went through two before realizing the actual sensor, documentation, and libraries are pure trash.

You will want to make use of bash and python date variables so the next day starts a new file to append values to. Be sure to label your values as you append to one big file. If you're from the US, use awk to pattern find, column select, and do math on the metric values. Output this into the dat file to be used in your gnuplots.

I haven't messed with the wind vane and rain fall instruments yet, because it's kinda expensive. You do hook this up with telephone line so you can run it to your single board computer under a covered surface. You will also need analog to digital converter for the Pi and they have a guide for setting this up on their website.
argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=145
projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects/build-your-own-weather-station

I can pastebin my crontab, python value grab, bash awk / gnuplot run, gnuplot plot code if you really need it, but its a work in progress.

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

Shit, I might finally have a project for that Pi Zero W I was given as a present.

Jayden Reyes
Jayden Reyes

Is there anything cheaper than a beaglebone x15 with a lot of GPIO pins?

Adam Clark
Adam Clark

Olimex has a couple for ~ 40 euros. Both A20-OLinuXino-Micro and A20-OLinuXino-LIME2 have 160 GPIOs. Otherwise the boards differ in some ways, like for example Micro has VGA connector, and LIME2 has GigE. Also the Micro board can be powered directly from 12V, so installation in a vehicle doesn't need power inverter. Both have option of industrial-grade components.
They also have a slightly less powerful A20-OLinuXino-LIME for 33 euros, also with 160 GPIOs.
Read specs here and on Olimex site to see if it's what you need:
linux-sunxi.org/Buying_guide

Eli Myers
Eli Myers

how do you power those drives?

Only the smaller one is directly powered, the other 3.5" one comes with an external power adapter. You cannot power two drives with the pi.

Mine is not raid, rather it runs rsync every night to store a mirror into the small 2.5" drive.

Alexander Morgan
Alexander Morgan

I hadn't visited their site in a while. Thanks user, I'm now even more blackpilled. I can't even explain how much I hate them.

Blake Jones
Blake Jones

Unironically this. Don't listen to the shills that loathe chinkpis.
socjuicepi
proprietary cpu
proprietary gpu (spits)
expensive after market accessories for noobs like the 'nokia' TFT lcd lmao

orange pi (pc plus)
allwinner cpu is a winner in open source
despite unproved backdoor claims which was a good thing making cheap unbranded android tablets easy to root and build your diy android port) but since you're using this as sbc there's no risk
mali400mp2 gpu can handle 4k and strongest gpu (mp4) during its time to handle games like asphalt 8
gpu is under FOSS reverse engineering (Lima) unlike proprietary socjuspi with videogore VI
openwrt just werks though wifi might still be unavailable for kernel due to it being fairly new

There's still a better alternative (or should I say replacement) for socjuspi called wandboard
wandboard.org/products/
FOSS friendly I.MX cpu
wifi runs with kernel no blob
Vivante (etnaviv)

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Chase Morgan
Chase Morgan

adding to that is also that the videocore is incredibly, incredibly outdated. Incredibly. The software support is the only thing making it worthwhile and also confirms the old adage from the 80s and early 90s that the best hardware is worthless if nobody writes software for it. Mali is better although sadly Lima drivers suck and I have the feeling they'll never stop sucking. I'd go with i.MX6 which has very high quality linux kernel support. Spectre is overrated as long as you don't run untrusted code or have untrusted users. Only downside of i.MX6 is the price. The SoC is expensive but it's also made by Freescale (former part of Motorola that brought us things like the 68k generation of CPUs, now merged with NXP) they know what they're doing. Allwinner is just some china setup that buys IPs and sticks them into SoCs. I have a feeling they don't know themselves how half their stuff works, also explains the schizophrenic feature sets. (The A20 has not one but four composite encoders. Yes. You can connect not one but four classic composite video outputs like cameras directly to the chip, also kinda shows the age of it. It also has a PS/2 port for some reason. I kid you not.)

(That all said, I don't know anything about the new Videocore VI in the Pi 4. Mostly because they're not saying anything. I hate projects like this trying to lowkey align themselves with ideals like free software because nothing about them is freedom-respecting)

Allwinner isn't much better there. They don't give a toss about Free Software, don't support open-sourcing of their stuff and are actively GPL violators. (well they're Chinese so that's almost implied) The SoCs just have a big community because the SBCs are so cheap and so stuff gets done. Sadly quality of the stuff done varies.

Kayden Harris
Kayden Harris

something is wrong there if you have to write specific code to support a gpu. these things should have standard apis and just work.

Jackson Edwards
Jackson Edwards

1080300
That happened when GPUs turned into mini-computers in their own right, not dumb buffers that'd just do the occasional blitting, line drawing and throwing on the screen whatever the CPU produced. You can still have that on low resolutions in most systems, works pretty well even.

Caleb Nguyen
Caleb Nguyen

This thread made me realize that i'm still using a 10 year old intel E5700 with 4gig ram and this $35 sbc is more powerful

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Camden Howard
Camden Howard

with 7400 logic ic's

Not making your own logic from transistors
Pleb

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Luke Kelly
Luke Kelly

It's called OpenGL.

Jackson Lewis
Jackson Lewis

This was today's patio weather. You can see the time that I went out to grill. I'm not sure why the UV sensor spiked. I still need to calibrate some more before it's perfect. UV is also low because of covered patio.

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