NazBol is not leftism, it's a retarded 'ideology' that calls reactionary ideas...

James Carter
James Carter

fascism is OK if we add 'bol' and a hammer and sickle
NazBol is not leftism, it's a retarded 'ideology' that calls reactionary ideas leftist. Nationalism is not leftist. End of fucking story. Get rid of it.

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psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201006/why-criminals-are-less-intelligent-non-criminals
socialbat.org/2012/05/15/review-of-the-social-conquest-of-earth-by-e-o-wilson/

Christopher Murphy
Christopher Murphy

making fun of the mentally disabled

<Placating minorities and women

Found the faggot

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Tyler Jones
Tyler Jones

"muh open borders and cheap labor"

Angel Bailey
Angel Bailey

fighting for the rights of social groups you don't belong to
bad
Can't get more divide and conquer than that, pork shill.

Jeremiah Howard
Jeremiah Howard

not even. constantly I see threads talking about how mentally disabled people shouldn't participate in the revolution. and then there's edgy fedora antitheist threads too, but that's small potatoes (pun not intended)

the fact of the matter either all get to participate or nobody does, any prole, that includes the mentally ill. we have low inhibition for being shock troops. untapped resource. any revolutionary will get nowhere without being resourceful.

Blake Hall
Blake Hall

True for trankies as well

Ryan Nguyen
Ryan Nguyen

Is it even worth it to post things ironically online anymore, considering there's so many retards like OP who keep taking everything seriously?

Jonathan Morgan
Jonathan Morgan

Furthermore deplatforming so-called 'incels' is how radicals form (haven't learned since the Muslims huh?). So unless you want mass shootings, which could likely end up turning into bombings, bio-weapons, gas attacks, etc. Do you want them on your side or do you want to be on the receiving end? If you're accelerationist or nihilist, disregard, but if you're any other type of leftist who wants revolutionary praxis and a United working class free of distinction, you must pick your battles. A lot of them aren't spoiled brats because you take what you see as face value, and the whole "buy a hooker" think works if you're rich (women greatly overvalue themselves, especially these days) truly poor, sexless men need a purpose and turning them into cannon fodder is just gonna make things worse.

Christian Taylor
Christian Taylor

ironically
Where's the irony? I bet having a nazi flag for posters to use is also 'ironic'. Let's be ironic nationalists and ironic nazis, let's round up minorities ironically, then deport them ironically. It's just bants lol How about we kill all the anarchists for a laugh? I bet anarkiddies wouldn't even get such humour. Heh before you respond to this post, you must understand I made it ironically.

Jose Rivera
Jose Rivera

The age of irony is over. The 90s will never come back. Brutal honesty is the item of the day. No more empty placades.

Sebastian Lee
Sebastian Lee

Unrestricted Immigration is a fools errand to make porky richer. Stop trying being John Lennon. He got shot for a reason.

Xavier Young
Xavier Young

Open borders will divide the classes further. You are so naive to think big business wouldn't find a way to exploit collective profits. A monopoly of megacorps running the world. But I digress, you probably don't care.

Charles King
Charles King

Humans should be able to move to whatever part of the planet they wish. If immigrants flooding Europe will destroy countries in Europe – good. I have no loyalties towards any State. Favouring one group of Humans who may or may not be friendly to you (people of the same nationality kill one another) over another group of Humans who may or may not be friendly to you just because one group is born within the same arbitrary geographic lines as you are is absolutely ridiculous. We need to realise we are all one, global species.

Eli Fisher
Eli Fisher

Yeah irony is dead frankly. It was nice while it lasted but too many newfags and kiddies can't handle it and now it's just a dogwhistle for fascists. Like "GAS ALL THE JEWS LMAO - just kidding fellow kids ~_^. But seriously those damn SJWs are stealing our freedoms to make these don't jokes, and don't you think we need to do something about the Jews making us take in all these Muslims". It's a way of opening the door to all sorts of dangerous beliefs.

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

Open borders will divide the classes further.
It wouldn't, because the Marxist conception of "class" is utterly idiotic. Your idea of "class consciousness" is simply to remove whatever bargaining power employees have against employers by importing unlimited third world labor, that has absolutely no standards whatsoever.

Why on earth would any actual member of the working class side with you commie fucks?

Blake Bailey
Blake Bailey

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Why on earth would any actual member of the working class side with you commie fucks?
What are you doing on this board?

Jayden Collins
Jayden Collins

he's right that racially divided people are easier to rule. The British would redraw lines in Africa, splitting up ethnic tribes and forcing them to share the same government with other tribes. The tribes were too busy infighting against themselves to unite against the British.

Ian Rodriguez
Ian Rodriguez

Racial division happens because of people like , it's not a fact of life or something that arises necessarily.

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

racial divisions happen because of racists just deciding to be racists for literally no reason

I don't like throwing a book at anyone who disagrees with me, but team red vs. team blue is part of human psycology that's not going away anytime soon.

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Michael Cook
Michael Cook

Your idea of "class consciousness" is simply to remove whatever bargaining power employees have against employers by importing unlimited third world labor, that has absolutely no standards whatsoever.
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Joseph Russell
Joseph Russell

Read A People's History of the United States, racism was literally invented to divide the working class. I never said it was 'for no reason'. Before then there was mixing and cooperation among the white and black slaves.

I was talking about how racial division could happen in worker's movements today and that is by people being against other members of the working class just because they were born in a different place.

Capitalism is a global system. The bourgeoisie is an international class. Do you think people like Bezos and the rest of the 1% care about nationalities? They travel in private airplanes, not worrying about borders. To 'captains of industry' countries are nothing more than systems of controlling the workers. Yet to the workers countries are a source of pride, for the very reason of dividing the international proletarian. Now that's irony.

Dylan Torres
Dylan Torres

Sorry kid, but nationalism is one of the more consistent revolutionary takes in the modern capitalism apparatus

If a first world country goes nationalist it reduces global imperialism even if it's too the benefit of an already bourgeois nation

If a third world country goes nationalist it REALLY hurts imperialism and exploitation

Laws are more enforced on local level. You wanna see moderators have their throat slit you defend confederations not even just unified nationalism

The reactionary elements of race, creed, and hyper masculinity are welcome compared to having to suck on neo liberal aids dick for twenty years that has left people so alienated and so retarded they'd legit probably be less evil of they were part of Isis

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Lincoln Kelly
Lincoln Kelly

Not going to play this faggy game where we keep throwing books at each other. Different people are different and only a fool ignores that.

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Christopher Jackson
Christopher Jackson

but team red vs. team blue is part of human psycology that's not going away anytime soon.
Except humans in the state of nature are originally non-territorial, and upon seeing another group "enroaching" on their land, they simply moved to another place, avoiding conflict.
Plus, humans, in the state of nature originally didn't care about shit like race or whatever. We were just animals—that you fuck a nigger doesn't matter much for you, as long as you get laid and feel great.
Nation, land, gender, race, shit like that, are all abstract concepts created by agriculture, division of labor, surplus and symbolic culture.

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Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

Pol Pot did by just killing the upper class. Your move Sambo. And I don't follow Marx. I follow Sorel and Blanqui

Isaac Adams
Isaac Adams

What's wrong with domestic violence?

Christopher Clark
Christopher Clark

After all it's just a social construct.

Elijah Wright
Elijah Wright

Good lord what a shit thread.

Bentley Smith
Bentley Smith

It's not even nationalism, it's a meme.

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Tyler Robinson
Tyler Robinson

Sorry kid, but nationalism is one of the more consistent revolutionary takes in the modern capitalism apparatus.
That isn't true. I will show you exactly why.

If a first world country goes nationalist it reduces global imperialism
Not true. Colonies were a source of nationalist pride and patriotism, the British fought to keep their colonies, so did the French. Furthermore, nationalism almost always leads to conquest, when you think your country is the best you start acting like it. Nationalism mobilised the German people in WWII, it was called N.ational Socialism for a reason. It was nationalism that inspired the Japanese to attempt a genocide on the Chinese. As early as the 80s Britain fought in Falklands to keep them, and that was a nationalist thing as well.

If a third world country goes nationalist it REALLY hurts imperialism and exploitation
Not if the leader of the country is willing to allow the exploitation of their own country by multi-national corporations in exchange for personal gain, like it is happening in ex-Yu countries, it used to happen in Central America to a large degree as well. One of the main ways imperialist-friendly right-wing rulers hold onto power is through nationalism. Can't you see the rise in nationalism, fascism and right-wing terrorism happening at the same time? If by 'revolutionary takes' you mean a fascist movement that seems anti-capitalist just because it is against neoliberalism then you can count me out.

Laws are more enforced on local level. You wanna see moderators have their throat slit you defend confederations not even just unified nationalism
Show me where a confederation of nationalists ever existed for a long time. It was nationalism that played a large part in the break up of Yugoslavia.

The reactionary elements of race, creed, and hyper masculinity are welcome compared to having to suck on neo liberal aids
Why do you think it is one or the other? Besides, maybe you should have bren involved in these leftist movements and perhaps done something against the neoliberal creep into leftist movements. But you're just on the side-lines, complaining that movements aren't leftist enough while doing absolutely nothing about it.

Why are 'race, creed and hyper masculinity' good things? What the fuck is hyper masculinity anyway? Now *that* sounds like a 'SJW' word. Race is a social construct and while there are differences among people, people of the same 'race' aren't as similar to one another as you might think. Even on /his/ and /pol/ they argue about percentages of genetic markers so everyone is some sort of mix. At which percentage do we set 'belonging', 60%, 70%? You can see that the whole 'race' thing is a futile exercise that achieves nothing but separate people, which is objectively counter-productive to our development.

Jeremiah Flores
Jeremiah Flores

I don't like it therefore it's a meme

Calling something a meme isn't an argument.

Elijah Moore
Elijah Moore

Not true. Colonies were a source of nationalist pride and patriotism, the British fought to keep their colonies, so did the French.

People had colonies over purely economic factors, religious motives, scarcity of resources. Not always "nationalism" was the motive.

Nationalism mobilised the German people in WWII, it was called N.ational Socialism for a reason. It was nationalism that inspired the Japanese to attempt a genocide on the Chinese. As early as the 80s Britain fought in Falklands to keep them, and that was a nationalist thing as well.

There is tons of nations in Europe that were "nationalist" and still didn't go invading every single country possible. And the reason the Japanese invaded China was literally almost purely for scarcity motives. Not to say "nationalism" was one of the many motives many people fought to liberate themselves from colonialists and gain sovereignty again.

Show me where a confederation of nationalists ever existed for a long time. It was nationalism that played a large part in the break up of Yugoslavia.

Yes has in a bunch of different ethnicities and cultures coexisting didn't work and people still wanted their countries to be independent,great example you have there against nationalism you retard.

Why do you think it is one or the other? Besides, maybe you should have bren involved in these leftist movements and perhaps done something against the neoliberal creep into leftist movements. But you're just on the side-lines, complaining that movements aren't leftist enough while doing absolutely nothing about it.

Garbage post

Why are 'race, creed and hyper masculinity' good things? What the fuck is hyper masculinity anyway? Now *that* sounds like a 'SJW' word. Race is a social construct and while there are differences among people, people of the same 'race' aren't as similar to one another as you might think. Even on /his/ and /pol/ they argue about percentages of genetic markers so everyone is some sort of mix. At which percentage do we set 'belonging', 60%, 70%? You can see that the whole 'race' thing is a futile exercise that achieves nothing but separate people, which is objectively counter-productive to our development.

Race doesn't exist
Race is a social construct
People living together for thousands of years sharing similar genetics, same culture and being breed to obey certain behavioural tendencies has no effect,it's made up!!
Everybody that has any liking or in- group preferences for their country or ethnic group is a fash!

Fuck off back to Reddit you faggot liberal trash.

Brayden Gutierrez
Brayden Gutierrez

People living together for thousands of years sharing similar genetics, same culture and being breed to obey certain behavioural tendencies has no effect,it's made up!!
Confirmed for never having read a history book. To say 'people living together for thousands of years' is ridiculous because it ignores movement, mixing, trade, internal power struggles, etc. Nation-states arose because of ambitions for war and riches necessitated extraction of resources from the population. The State didn't just happen, the State is a collection of apparatuses, such as bureaucracy, taxation, education, law-making and law enforcing, and so on. All of these 'institutions' were established to extract resources, including labour from the subjugated population. Read "Coercion, Capital, and European States, AD 990-1990" by Charles Tilly to read more about it. He makes a compelling argument.

You need to prove race exists, btw, you can't just point to people of different skin colour and call it a day. People within the same race have different skin tones, eye colour, hair colour, face shape, body type, etc. How do you classify people of mixed race? How does race analysis help? It seems to bring up more questions than it answers. And because it is such a varied concept it is unlikely there can ever be agreement on one 'race theory'.

Hunter Jones
Hunter Jones

Nobody is saying otherwise. Unironic "nazbols" hardly exist.

Thomas Anderson
Thomas Anderson

Except it unironically exists in Russia and other Eastern European states.

Samuel Flores
Samuel Flores

And in the West.

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Sebastian Hughes
Sebastian Hughes

Rather than using the word Irony, or the ironic adjective, I suggest using the word satire.

Of course, the internet being what it is, Poe's law applies here. But there wouldn't be satire if the real thing didn't exist.

Brody Hughes
Brody Hughes

Race doesn't exist
Race is a social construct
People living together for thousands of years sharing similar genetics, same culture and being breed to obey certain behavioural tendencies has no effect,it's made up!!
Everybody that has any liking or in- group preferences for their country or ethnic group is a fash!
Who cares? When someone says race is a social construct what he really means is that actually caring (as in, recognizing, acting differently, whatever) about race is a purely social consturct and has no place in the human state of nature. Plus, being bred to obey certain behavioural tendencies in itself is a construct of society! Human domestication only started with or a little before actual society in the form of civilization.
Everyone knows some dude has a different skin color. That he has a different skin color is a fact, not a construct—recognizing and acting around that fact IS a social construct.

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Camden Thompson
Camden Thompson

Race is inherently a social construct, because while there are a wide array of actual genetic differences between
men, and while there are "groups" with close genetic or phenotypic ressemblance, there's no definite, natural way
to delimit these groups as monolithic entities. Therefore the demarkation has to be social in nature.

Jackson Peterson
Jackson Peterson

Yeah, exactly. People trying to put abstract delimiters and creating "race" is what its about.

Nolan Wilson
Nolan Wilson

I still think its Haram

It's also funny how Marxists hate the US but also hate the Confederacy for seceeding because 'muh slavery' pick a side or get walled with a dik up yet ass

Juan Myers
Juan Myers

If race is a social construct then why are there unique cultures with unique languages, different skull formations, difference in Intel, and pigmentation?

Benjamin Myers
Benjamin Myers

Were small but growing

Evan Richardson
Evan Richardson

Also the same people who say it's a Social construct are the same faggots who deny the existence of God because 'muh burden of proof'

It's like you only approve of science if it fits your agenda

Adam Foster
Adam Foster

Your hands, wrists, and arms are different from each other, and are material things that objectively exist, but the precise lines between them and their significance as conceptual distinctions are wholly arbitrary and socially constructed.

Similarly, varying degrees of historical genetic isolation have produced different genetic characteristics and populations, but the exact lines by which any individual person or genetic trait is grouped with others are a purely arbitrary social construct. As such, the "races" you are spooked by are only valid insofar as they are a more useful schema than other mode of classification.

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Noah Edwards
Noah Edwards

NazBol isn't a thing. It's merely /pol/turds larping as socialists.

NazBol is as idpol as it gets. Every single one of them goes the autistic way of "muh white race" and "muh white genocide"

James Wilson
James Wilson

even if this may be true, does that extend to society as well. the fucked up thing about some people is they are not absolutist, i.e., fascist, for a lack of a better word about their own politics, they become instant moralists when you breach social contracts, whether beneficial or harming, but that too could all be a matter of opinion as it depends on the individual preaching such matters. another man's trash, etc.

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Nolan Phillips
Nolan Phillips

There's no need to be mean to the guy. He made good arguments, I'm just gonna politely disagree with his example of Nazis and Japan

Honestly Europe was afraid of The Nazis doing to them what they did to the rest of the world. Its the old "something is always bad" argument. Yes imperialism is always bad. But imperialists imperializing imperialists is hella funny and I'd say for the better.

Look at what shit holes Japan and Germany are now. Third positionism is definitely the lesser evil and America has put a stop to it a thousand times for a reason in Iraq, Libya, etc

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Jaxson Rodriguez
Jaxson Rodriguez

nazbol flag
On /leftypol/ you post with an ancap flag.

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Elijah Miller
Elijah Miller

All paths lead to accelerationism my good boy. You seem han'gry and in need of tendie nourishment

Let's face it. If society collapses it won't be we're all suddenly dead. Itll just be a ghetto and I'll happily hang a no step on snek flag at my used abortion clinic car lot where Forest is on a commercial "prices so low to kill your disgusting best you'd think we were communists!!!"

Because alienation is a great motivator. While you're red in the face I'm green in the eye

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Juan Clark
Juan Clark

Another word is used to refer to a common culture, language, etc. I'll let you guess which one, but it's not race (it's ethnicity).
If you take an ethnic group, you (usually) draw lines based on cultural/social concepts. Once the lines are drawn, we can of course notice
similarities in genome. As I mentionned earlier, these similarities exist to a degree, they just don't have natural boundaries.

You can't slap the word White on a common people with a common language, a common culture, a common religion…

Adrian Reyes
Adrian Reyes

This poster gets it. Also, even within a single nation-state the population will not be homogenous, you'll have atheists as well as religious people, or maybe two or three religions represented among the population. Also, a nation-state can have different cultures within it, this is especially noticeable in Europe, where different parts of countries got influenced by their neighbours, e.g. south of Spain is different than their North. Hell, 'Spain' is a collection of 6-7 smaller regions, two of these regions have their own language (Basque and Catalonia). India is another example, African countries as well, in Nigeria there are 4 different ethnic groups (iirc) living inside the same 'nation-state'.

Once we actually look at a composition of a country, we see that it is not homogenous but its apparent homogeneity is usually an illusion. Compare people from Southern Italy to people in Northern Italy and you will find differences, same for many other countries.

I don't understand how people can't see that race, country, nationality is literally a human invention, a bourgeois invention, that only happened because of the way Human society developed. In the past 'nationalism' and 'national pride' weren't so commonplace, peasants got forced into armies to fight, their surplus was taken under the threat of force, sailors in the Great British Navy would be pressed into service. Nationalism is a relatively new concept, about 1000-1200 year old concept, because nation-states didn't exist before then.

Blake Smith
Blake Smith

Except humans in the state of nature are originally non-territorial, and upon seeing another group "enroaching" on their land, they simply moved to another place, avoiding conflict.
Where are all the Denisovans, Neanderthals, Homo Floresiensis, Homo Habilis and an unnamed genus attested only be genetic evidence in African populations, then? If humans are non-territorial, as you assert, where are these other five lineages of human?

Gavin Ramirez
Gavin Ramirez

Don't know about the others, but Homo Sapiens have anywhere from 1-4% of Neanderthal DNA, evidence of interbreeding in the past.

Jackson Garcia
Jackson Garcia

solution: America becomes third position. besides, what goes around comes around.

Cooper Hall
Cooper Hall

god Jim, you're making me erect.

Isaiah Brooks
Isaiah Brooks

counter-signaling against autism

NPC faggot detected. WE ARE LEGION.

Elijah Taylor
Elijah Taylor

In true D&D fashion, humans fucked them until they became human.

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

I'm not a nazbol but if you don't understand that fascistic ideology is called third positionist because it breaks the left-right false dichotomy yain't doing it right.

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Adrian Lee
Adrian Lee

it breaks the left-right false dichotomy
It does nothing of the sort.

Thomas Cook
Thomas Cook

You're conflating economic policies as with social policies.

Xenophilia is a social policy, not economic.

If you have a workers commune that hates niggers, it doesn't magically become "less-communister".

Brody Cook
Brody Cook

implying all definitions of social groups aren't arbitrary

implying sharing resources with 3rd-worlders instead of hording them for yourself is "necessary and moral"

implying you shouldn't use conventional social groups to your own benefit

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Elijah Sanders
Elijah Sanders

7, 10, 11-18, 20, and 21
historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

Kayden Scott
Kayden Scott

If you have a workers commune that hates niggers, it doesn't magically become "less-communister".
It literally does.

Jaxon Brown
Jaxon Brown

if your economic model doesn't include every sentient hominid on Earth it isn't a worker's commune

Spook.

Julian Barnes
Julian Barnes

It was a meme the same way "the jews did it" was a meme on /pol/ before everyone decided it wasn't a meme anymore.
You people are beyond redemption, only calling yourselves leftist because you deluded yourself into thinking we'll get rid of the brownies to protect the workers' wages or some dumb shit.

Kevin Morris
Kevin Morris

Spook.
is on favour of racial segregation.
You're just a dumb kid, aren't ya? Don't even bother responding. Go read a book.

Ian Perez
Ian Perez

You got me, bro. I actually love corporations.

Apple, Twitter, Facebook, and Google are so based when they ban white nationalists constantly.

you need to intentionally give yourself the burden of 3rd-world integration because it's "moral"
stop checking immigrants for criminal history, racist

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

humans were originally non-territorial

so your evidence that territorial conquest didn't come from evolution is….that humans originally weren't territorial? You wear that anprim flag but I don't think you know what it means. Other ape species and monkey species exist in tribes of around 150, and have patrols that protect some imaginary line. They have complex social hierarchies, just as humans do. Alpha males of the tribe often kill their competitors' offspring and don't let weaker males breed with the females.

You literally have no comprehension of humanity and you need to go back to reddit with the other liberals.

Angel Reed
Angel Reed

humans in the state of nature are originally non-territorial

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Nolan Johnson
Nolan Johnson

Other ape species and monkey species exist in tribes of around 150, and have patrols that protect some imaginary line. They have complex social hierarchies, just as humans do. Alpha males of the tribe often kill their competitors' offspring and don't let weaker males breed with the females.
Imagine being this ignorant lol

Jaxon Gray
Jaxon Gray

youtube.com/watch?v=dQn1-mLkIHw

Anthony Cooper
Anthony Cooper

Your "ironic" shitposting would turn serious the millisecond enough people started agreeing with them. People learned from what happened to /pol/, faggot.

Caleb Stewart
Caleb Stewart

what happened to /pol/

Xenophiles couldn't compete in a free speech zone?

Evan Taylor
Evan Taylor

how that group of Chimpanzees behaves is a representation of all apes
Humans and apes share a common ancestor, that is why they are practically the same!
we must look for clues in the animal kingdom to help us organise Human society
Bonobos are lead by matriarchs.
A significant interaction between sex and age was found, indicating that the effect of age was greater among females than among males. Individuals who were more central to the grooming network initiated departures more frequently. The three oldest females initiated more often than expected. Old females may be followed because of coalitionary supports they often give to younger females, and of their greater knowledge about ranging area. Leadership in bonobos was not equally shared among group members, and old females were “key individuals” who helped to maintain cohesiveness in their fission-fusion society.
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Jeremiah Cox
Jeremiah Cox

Those niggas domesticated tho

Blake Cruz
Blake Cruz

Are you really arguing that there are no similarities between humans and apes/monkeys? Chimpanzees are the closest relative at 99.6% DNA, while Bonobos are 98.7% shared human DNA

bonobos are matriarchal

And some human tribes are matriarchal too, in africa. Chimpanzees, however, have troop culture where an alpha male leads a group of beta males, complex social hierarchies, and have borders and resource control. Look at the first video. Rape, theft, and murder are earlier forms of competition: psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201006/why-criminals-are-less-intelligent-non-criminals

The second video also shows that monkeys/apes understand unfairness as well. The 2000's big internet debate was atheists versus christians, and it was thoroughly established that humans evolved from apes, or at least have common ancestry with apes/monkeys. I'm not buying you pretending to be retarded and forgetting that humans are still animals at heart, and have animalist behaviors similar to their relatives.

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Wyatt Nelson
Wyatt Nelson

Dude, if after introspection and asking yourself about what we are you come to the conclusion that you, and by extension other people, are led by instincts, intuitions and learned behaviours similar to that of Chimpanzees and other ape social groups then I don't know what to tell you.

We aren't descended from apes, we just share a common ancestor. A human being lives in conditions that are much different than that of Chimpanzees and Humans possesses faculties that apes do not, like language. But I don't think you really believe Humans are like apes, it's just a convenient way for you to explain why you don't like or are afraid of people who look different than you. Have you considered that perhaps your own conditions and your socialisations played a part in your development?

You can find examples of animals cooperating with different species, and you can find different 'races', nations living and working together, mixing together. This invalidates your genetic argument.

Charles Garcia
Charles Garcia

I don't know what else to tell you besides prepare to lose. The history of mankind has been 10,000 years of territorial conquest, and you actually believe you can educate people out of it.

Next you'll ask me to prove why cats purr and dogs bark.

Cooper Cruz
Cooper Cruz

history of mankind has been 10,000 years of territorial conquest
history of mankind
10,000 years
Holy shit, you really don't know anything.

You're out of arguments and you haven't proven your claims. And yet you still have the gall to be arrogant and condescending. Amazing.

Have you considered that humans might conquer and war not because of a genetic imperative but because it serves interests of the bourgeoisie, in other words Capital. It is well-known that the US starts wars for corporate interests, arms dealers from around the world sell weapons to warlords who use those guns to control areas and enrich themselves (and then use parts of those profits to buy more weapons), that countries often sell weapons to both sides in conflicts, that countries arm other nations friendly to them to protect their geopolitical interests and expand markets for their domestic companies.

All this information, about apes, humans, wars and conflicts is readily available and with the internet it is easier than ever to find it. That you continue to think that Humans fight each other because "we're nothing but animals lol" and refuse to learn is mind-boggling. At which point does it become more important to be right, on the internet of all places, than to actually have an idea what is really going on. Aren't you curious? Are you really satisfied with your conclusions and the level of understanding you have demonstrated in this thread?

Henry Smith
Henry Smith

based

Grayson Ward
Grayson Ward

<literally every leftcomm on here

you're not even a tankie, you're just gay.

Kayden Scott
Kayden Scott

nothing satirical about we doin nigga.

Juan King
Juan King

you have no arguments

Where is your evidence that Anarcho Queer Furry Communism motivates people to start the revolution? I mean, it works so well right? Definitely not tribalism nooo, that's a spook. Definitely not part of human nature.

Read a book nigger, this one I'm taking the word of a pulitzer prize winning social biologist over some literal who

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Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

I heard Forest was the vocalist in a incel themed blackend death metal band with J Barg these days, he might write a song or 2 about killing moderators though

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Joseph Robinson
Joseph Robinson

Domesticated human tribes, though. Humans are highly hierarchical and form states, does that mean it happens in original humans? No—and anthropology has proven that human hunter-gatherer bands are non-hierarchical and egalitarian.

Ryan Jackson
Ryan Jackson

Its an anti-imperialist ideology so we support it.

Elijah Parker
Elijah Parker

Where is your evidence that Anarcho Queer Furry Communism motivates people to start the revolution? I mean, it works so well right? Definitely not tribalism nooo, that's a spook. Definitely not part of human nature.
What are you talking about? Who or what are you arguing against? Anarcho Queer Furry Communism?

Read a book nigger, this one
I'm taking the word of a pulitzer prize winning social biologist over some literal who
First of all, the pulitzer is a literary prize, not a scientific one. Second of all, a quick search for that book shows that Wilson's views are not accepted by the scientific community.
<The book continues in the direction of alienating most evolutionary biologists.
<The book has received many positive reviews from journalists who don’t realize that the ideas of the book are Wilson’s own rogue views which don’t reflect what most evolutionary biologists think. The rogue view I’m speaking of concerns modern group selection, or multi-level selection.
socialbat.org/2012/05/15/review-of-the-social-conquest-of-earth-by-e-o-wilson/
^ that's actually a lengthy review of the book, and goes into detail why he's wrong and supports it with evidence from other scientists

Thomas Allen
Thomas Allen

Alright, I'll humor you.

Let's say we have societal collapse from climate change, oil runs out, etc. What's stopping this process from starting all over again? Hierarchy, love of family, and ingroup altruism are extremely effective methods in a scarce resource environment. In this way, I believe it justifies anti-imperialist nationalism, becomes it acknowledges that in a cruel world, you must take precautions, but it also avoids the slave-like capitalism. Ants are slave like, but it has no regard for the individual ant. An unhappy, brainless experience. A tribe must be united, but it must care for the tribe members, and not let one with hierarchical power abuse his position.

It's kind of like how Trump stated he wanted to withdraw from foreign wars, and (so far) has avoided getting America into another war with either Russia or the DPRK. He hasn't invaded a middle eastern country yet besides the Syria missile strikes to my knowledge. He's fucked up in major ways and sees the need to cater to jewish people (like a hanukkah celebration), but he's the least imperialist president of the past

"Wilson’s own approach begins by classifying humans as “eusocial” together with ants, bees, wasps, and termites, and apart from other highly social primates like chimpanzees. I still don’t fully understand why he does this. Perhaps it to say something new by using old terms in new ways; that is certainly a theme of the book. He claims that eusociality in insects can be explained using natural selection, which he confusingly considers to be an alternative to the idea of kin selection (inclusive fitness theory). His argument is that sterile workers insects are not real individuals; they are just enslaved robot offspring extensions of the Queen’s own genes. Wilson somehow misses that he is just one tiny logical step away from inclusive fitness theory. If the workers are robot slaves to the Queen’s genes, then isn’t the Queen’s body itself just a robot slave to those very same genes? And now we could be reading The Selfish Gene. But instead Wilson uses this as an argument for what he calls individual selection as opposed to kin selection (somehow not realizing that this is purely semantic)."

Basically he admits that Wilson's theory is just the selfish gene, and this is an argument over semantics.

"Wilson goes on to make the ill-advised claim that group selection (competition between human groups) generally leads to our virtuous traits and individual selection (competition within groups) gave us “sin”. He didn’t seem to notice that this strange statement classifies the Holocaust (indeed all wars and all genocides) as a “virtue”, not to mention the group-selected biases that lead to bullying, racism, sexism, and all those other mostly unproductive “-isms”. These weird attempts to build scary, rickety bridges between the humanities or ethics and the natural sciences are so common throughout the book that one becomes habituated after a while."

Problem is that bullying and sexism work, even if you disagree with the morality of it. And bringing up the holocaust lol, how is this an argument? Bullying is what kids naturally do to explore their emotions and learn for the real world. Most kids that were bullied in highschool were usually pricks who were assholes. I went to sit with an alone kid and learned quickly why no one wanted to sit with him.

"It worries me that people tolerate moral arguments from nature like this. What if the proportion of gay people in a “group” is actually on average inversely correlated with the group’s size, growth, and popularity? And what if someone showed instead that societies that condemn rather than condone homosexuality were more likely to be larger or replace other societies? According to the above logic, that would mean we should not value homosexuality afterall. Oops. And what is the fastest growing religion? Because apparently that’s the one we should value the most."

Islam is a powerful opponent, I can agree. White shitlibs who don't have the will to fight and rebuke islam in their countries don't deserve to have offspring. Mothers who kill their own babies in abortion don't deserve offspring either.

"But E. O. Wilson’s book states that B. F. Skinner was more correct than Chomsky about language!! Why? Because, according to a study described in the book: “the way that people actually think through an action scenario [was indeed universal]”, but “it was less than fully consistent across the languages they used in speech”."

Having been around diversity my whole life, it's appropriate to say that there are legitimate language barriers between the races.

A lot of this dude's arguments are just attacking Wilson for wrongthink. "That's racist, that's sexist, I can't believe you disagreed with Noam Chomsky blah blah blah".

Asher Lee
Asher Lee

Basically he admits that Wilson's theory is just the selfish gene, and this is an argument over semantics.
Poor reading comprehension.
<Although it presents a useful new way of talking about social evolution, multi-level selection is mathematically equivalent, makes the same predictions, and differs mainly by having different definitions of key concepts like “altruism”. Most biologists don’t use it because it’s more vague and confusing than inclusive fitness theory.
Basically, his theory does nothing new and is more confusing. That is why it's not gaining traction.

And bringing up the holocaust lol, how is this an argument?
Again, poor reading comprehension. The argument used wasn't 'mentioning the holocaust', the argument is that if Wilson claims that competition between human groups generally leads to development of 'virtuous' traits then the Holocaust (as well as other genocides and wars), as examples of competition between groups, should have made people more virtuous. And after thousands of years of warring and selecting, we're still the same savages as we were before (according to you). So when is this "virtue" supposed to develop?

I went to sit with an alone kid and learned quickly why no one wanted to sit with him.
Ah yes, anecdotal evidence, the pillar of modern science.

Islam is a powerful opponent, I can agree. White shitlibs who don't have the will to fight and rebuke islam in their countries don't deserve to have offspring. Mothers who kill their own babies in abortion don't deserve offspring either.
Sin palabras.

Having been around diversity my whole life, it's appropriate to say that there are legitimate language barriers between the races.
people who come from different places, backgrounds, cultures and social classes will have language barriers
You can't pass off truisms as analysis.

Caleb Cruz
Caleb Cruz

A lot of this dude's arguments are just attacking Wilson for wrongthink. "That's racist, that's sexist, I can't believe you disagreed with Noam Chomsky blah blah blah".
Not true at all. Since you seem to be having trouble understanding the text I will copy paste some of the arguments, feel free to pin point which ones are attacking Wilson for wrongthink.
<(1) The book has received many positive reviews from journalists who don’t realize that the ideas of the book are Wilson’s own rogue views which don’t reflect what most evolutionary biologists think. The rogue view I’m speaking of concerns modern group selection, or multi-level selection.
<(2a) that inclusive fitness and multi-level selection are alternative hypotheses for how social evolution works, rather than what they are: simply different modeling styles, different perspectives on the same biological process.
<(2b) Multi-level selection theory however was later demonstrated again and again and again and again to be a rephrasing or reframing of the same process described by inclusive fitness.
<(3) The current controversy is Wilson’s rejection of inclusive fitness theory. W. D. Hamilton’s inclusive fitness theory is widely and rightfully regarded as the most important contribution to social evolution since Darwin. The idea was explained and popularized to a larger audience by Dawkin’s classic book The Selfish Gene and it has been the foundational framework for researchers studying social evolution.
<(4) E. O. Wilson then joined forces with Harvard mathematician Martin Nowak to write a second paper attempting to replace and discard inclusive fitness theory. This was also met with widespread criticism, including a critical response paper with 137 authors, representing the major experts in the field.
<(5) there’s a clear scientific consensus: relatedness is a key to altruism and indispensable factor in social evolution.
<(7) One of my other favorite blatant examples of the naturalistic fallacy is E. O. Wilson’s explanation for homosexuality
And on and on. I don't see any "blaming for wrongthink". This is where you get your "racism accusations" charge:
Wilson certainly made a big splash when he popularized the term “sociobiology” in his book of the same name, a label that today still means very different things to various people. (I’ve gotten the impression from my wife’s parents, who are both sociologists, that being called a “sociobiologist” is akin to being called a sexist, racist, and all-around bad person. The state of affairs that led to this mess is reviewed well in excellent the book The Blank State by Steven Pinker).
And regarding Noam Chomsky:
E. O. Wilson also attacks Noam Chomsky’s theory of universal grammar.
So it isn't just for "disagreeing with Chomsky" it is because of abandoning a widely accepted theory in favour of an older one that predates Chomsky's theory. You didn't even bother to read that section, did you?

Also, the author of the article is an admirer of Wilson's:
<I admire E. O. Wilson as a public figure. He’s made huge contributions to science, ecology, conservation biology, and the public’s appreciation of science. I was personally inspired by his friend and colleague Tom Eisner who had dinner with my friends and I once a week when I was an undergraduate, and told us adventure stories about the young E. O. Wilson.
and
<A brilliant scientist who wrote a not-so brilliant book.

This is my favourite sentence of the review:
I kept thinking how bad this book would be for me if it was my first introduction to social evolution.
Fucking lol.

Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross

sin palabras

again, I can condense your entire argument down to "no wrongthink aloud". If you're mentally ill enough to kill your own children then you're a genetic dead end. In this vain, mormons who avoid substance abuse and have large families will out-breed suicidal liberals. You are literally getting dabbed on by evolution.

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

vain

whoops, mea culpa.

Matthew Brooks
Matthew Brooks

Dude, if after introspection and asking yourself about what we are you come to the conclusion that you, and by extension other people, are led by instincts, intuitions and learned behaviours similar to that of Chimpanzees and other ape social groups then I don't know what to tell you.
Imagine being to retarded as to post this tabula rasa trash in a community where instinctive longing for sex and companionship causes regular
tfw no gf
posting

Kayden Hernandez
Kayden Hernandez

sin palabras
I like how that is the only thing out of a two-post post you were able to answer. Really? You are going to defend the part where you say "White shitlibs who don't have the will to fight and rebuke islam in their countries don't deserve to have offspring"? You don't see how that sentence sounds like something a crazy person would write?

again, I can condense your entire argument down to "no wrongthink aloud".
No, you can't. Just because you say something doesn't make it true. You ignore all the arguments and go off on another tangent unrelated to discussion because you think rambling about "anarcho queer feminists" and "mormons breeding out liberals" makes your position stronger. It doesn't, it just shows that you had one argument "muh Humans are apes" and after that got destroyed you resorted to name calling.

I think you need to ask yourself why your ego doesn't allow you to accept you were wrong about something. It's not a sign of weakness to change your mind in light of new information. There is no cosmic reward for "sticking to your guns" and being really really stubborn.

If you're mentally ill enough to kill your own children then you're a genetic dead end.
Wrong. If you have 10 children, and you kill 9 of them, you are not a 'genetic dead end'. That is beside the point, I just want to show you that even when you write something that seems true, it's not. And no one is arguing that killing your own children is a bad idea. Wtf? The article specifically says that the kin selection theory is true, where animals have an interest in protecting their own offspring as well as family. How you get 'kill all offspring' from that is a mystery.

suicidal liberals
Haha! Suicidal shitlibs will turn you into a gay muslim!

people who spend way too much time on the internet or were unable to form romantic relationships in the real world, for one reason or another, is proof that Humans are nothing more than apes
The leaps in logic to just be 'right on the internet' are amazing. Not only that, but you call me a retard and insult me as if what you're saying is an undeniable truth that only a retard would argue against. Also, apes don't have girlfriends and 'a girlfriend' isn't something found in nature. Various animals have different mating patterns. Albatrosses mate for life, maybe we're actually birds, not apes.

Ayden Clark
Ayden Clark

Nazbol gang is LARPing

Dylan Gomez
Dylan Gomez

let's kill all the anarchists
This but in ironically.

Ryder Perez
Ryder Perez

your mother is LARPing on MUH EGO DIK

Henry Cruz
Henry Cruz

seconded

Carter Gray
Carter Gray

based Mutualists

Nathan Watson
Nathan Watson

fascism is OK if we add 'bol' and a hammer and sickle

It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.

But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.

Matthew Robinson
Matthew Robinson

The Sentinelese only became disconnected from the rest of the world during the 19th Century.

Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

"we all need to embrace globalism"

you first, sambo

Charles Barnes
Charles Barnes

But they never bothered to learn from the rest of the world how to make fire or boats

Dylan Flores
Dylan Flores

No, I just understand that you want to get lost in the weeds so that no one knows what the fuck we're talking about anymore. A cat will purr and a dog will bark, and you'll find a way to blame it on capitalism.

Daniel Allen
Daniel Allen

reddit.com
You should stay there

Brayden Watson
Brayden Watson

spends the whole time trying to derail the discussion by ranting about anarcha feminists, Muslims, Mormons, shitlibs and abortions because he's out of arguments
"you want to get lost in the weeds so that no one knows what the fuck we're talking about anymore"
Not a shred of self-awareness.

Dylan Nguyen
Dylan Nguyen

The OP was about how Nazbols aren't leftist, and I'm starting to think he's correct. What the fuck is the left anymore? Leftists will ally with transnational corporations to fuck countries over, like unironically siding with capitalism to attack nations wanting borders. There's no reason to call myself a leftist, if leftism is about allying with capitalism to destroy what is good and healthy.

I see working class riots all over the world and I want to join them, but people like you would prefer to call them fascist, as you sip your $9 coffee. You're hopelessly bourgeois and upperclass, sneering at any real human experiences.

Gavin Martinez
Gavin Martinez

The OP was about how Nazbols aren't leftist, and I'm starting to think he's correct.
Yes, I know, I wrote the OP.

Jose Price
Jose Price

Of course nazbols are not leftist, they don't believe in stupid liberal dichotomies made for retarded people.

Sebastian Myers
Sebastian Myers

Yes, I know, I wrote the OP.
And then I didn't read the rest of your post because I'm tired. Tired of reading your drivel. But I took another look. And… oh no no no no.
NazBols are the real leftists
leftists are just liberals allying with Capitalism
Drivel.

There's no reason to call myself a leftist
Good, because you obviously aren't.

people like you would prefer to call them fascist, as you sip your $9 coffee
Hahaha.

You're hopelessly bourgeois and upperclass, sneering at any real human experiences.
Hahaha. Thank you for the two laughs. Really made my evening.

You presume to speak for the working class and assume the working class (Western, presumably) cares about Muslims coming into the country or people who used to be men becoming women. The reality is that the working class is fractured and divided. Yes, the anti-immigrant rhetoric can mobilise the working class, but not for any leftist cause. That rhetoric alienates leftists.

The only people who actually care enough about those issues to oppose them vocally or let them ruin their day are ignorant idiots, who also happen to be working class because the working class is poorly educated. But to assume the way a part of the working class behaves is representative of the whole working class is as ridiculous as thinking that a way a group of Chimpanzees behaves is representative of Human society.

All you know is how to insult and build strawmen. You're incapable of critical thinking and introspection, not because you can't but because you won't. And that's sad, I think. Next time you discuss this with someone else you will post the same youtube chimp video and recommend the same book, having learned nothing from this discussion. I sincerely hope I am wrong though.

Thomas Rivera
Thomas Rivera

They never learned to make boats
They just teleported to that island in the middle of the indian ocean

Tyler Wright
Tyler Wright

I'm tired

Good, learn that you can't lie like a faggot and expect capitulation. These nationalist movements are made up of the workers, and the workers only see leftists trying to support the neoliberal superstate. Just look at Brexit, it's workers versus antifa and the neoliberals. Bourgeois cunt.

Isaiah Cruz
Isaiah Cruz

learn that you can't lie
Where have I lied?

These nationalist movements are made up of the workers
So are right-wing death squads. Bamboozling the working class in times of crisis and despair to work against their own interests does not mean it's a good movement.

All I see in your post is anger and confusion. I hope one day you free yourself from it.
the workers only see leftists trying to support the neoliberal superstate
it's workers versus antifa and the neoliberals
Oh man, the internet has really done a number on you.

Bourgeois cunt
If your life is hard you shouldn't blame strangers on the internet for it. Evaluate your position and channel your anger into something productive. I recommend you read, study and challenge yourself.

Wyatt Cruz
Wyatt Cruz

where have I lied?

You can look at the past posts where I call out deceitful arguments.

bamboozling the working class

marxists have failed to convert the working class for 100 years. If the ideology ever fails, the workers are called lumpenproles, to offload blame. It wasn't the ideology that failed, it's that the workers failed, or at least that's how logic goes. Once I understood the working class cares about nation, culture, and spirituality, I understood why marxism has always failed, because it only appeals to material gain.

All I see in your post is anger and confusion. I hope one day you free yourself from it.

Faux concern and patronizing. Again, you fail to see why working class people hate communism.

Oh man, the internet has really done a number on you.

Remember OWS? Smashies ruined it.

Evaluate your position and channel your anger into something productive. I recommend you read, study and challenge yourself.

Again with the faggy fake concern. You're bourgeois because this worker struggle is just a fashion trend for you. It lets you larp as a revolutionary while your real life is meaningless.

Jaxon Powell
Jaxon Powell

you're bourgeois even if you're poor as shit

nice dialectic there, Hegel.

Camden Smith
Camden Smith

"muh retards"

better retard than faggot.

Brandon White
Brandon White

I call out deceitful arguments.
You haven't responded to any of my arguments.

Once I understood the working class cares about nation, culture, and spirituality
A part of it does, sure. There are parts that don't. If "spirituality" is important, then why are Muslim workers undesirable?

I understood why marxism has always failed, because it only appeals to material gain
Not at all. If you read Marx he sounds like someone who wants humanity to liberate itself from Capitalism.

you fail to see why working class people hate communism.
Do they? And which working class is this? The working class that elects socialists in countries around the world or the Marxist and communist guerrillas who fight their capitalist governments? The fact that you think that the global working class is this monolithic group whose beliefs are represented by the same beliefs which have recently enjoyed a rise in popularity in Western countries just shows how narrow your view is. Besides, these right-wing populist parties in Europe aren't winning 70% or 80% of the vote. They get less than 50%, showing you that they're not even representative of the political mood of the whole working class of their country.

Remember OWS? Smashies ruined it.
Did they? Or was it the liberals within the movement? Besides, when was OWS a strictly 'leftist' movement? Their gripe was against the wealth disparity, I don't remember 'abolishing private property and wage labour' being one of their demands.

Again with the faggy fake concern
What have I said in this thread that makes you think that my concern is fake? I stand behind everything I've said and I have tried to convey sincere meaning.

You're bourgeois because this worker struggle is just a fashion trend for you.
But you don't know anything about me. This person you're describing doesn't exist, you made him up because it is a convenient target for your anger. You have imagined a person you really dislike and think it is me, and you're talking to me accordingly. Don't you see how that's not helpful for this discussion? Because everything I say will be perceived as coming from this source you really really dislike. And that is a barrier to discussion.

It lets you larp as a revolutionary while your real life is meaningless.
And you're not LARPing? This is you, in your pure, unadulterated form? There is no you, or I. We are all LARPing.

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

not being a faggot
absolutely reprehensible behaviour

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Owen Roberts
Owen Roberts

Destroying European countries = good
Bombing brown people = bad

Jayden Lee
Jayden Lee

You're correct on both counts.

Nicholas Hall
Nicholas Hall

Heilige Scheiße, was ist denn da der Kontext? Die Geschichte in Chemnitz?

Austin Garcia
Austin Garcia

Back to /leftypol/index.html with your retarded thought process. Your ideals are understandable but everything else is worse than sjw tier.

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

worse than sjw tier
Meaningless. What is 'sjw tier'? What does that even mean?
<Your post is worse than carrots on a tree!

Lucas Jackson
Lucas Jackson

Good point I should define what I mean.
Social justice makes both anti european claims and don't see the migrant crisis as a problem. 04 goes one step further and says it's a good thing to subjugate people to a major problem simply because of the European state.

Parker Peterson
Parker Peterson

of course. bettER retard than faggot

Wyatt Rivera
Wyatt Rivera

I'm 04 and I absolutely think that the way the migrant crisis is happening is a problem. It's a problem cause mass immigration has problems inherent to it, such as crime, formation of ghettos, alienating immigrants due to nationalist rhetoric resulting in them being attracted to extremism, as well as dividing the local working class over the issue of immigration.

I never said people should be 'subjugated'. I think part of the problem lies in how you framed the issue, immigrants coming in means that the local population must be subjugated. But that isn't true at all.

All I'm saying is that 'protecting the State' should not be our reasoning for anything. But, by realising that all Humans are one species then big changes in how we operate can be made. For example, regarding the immigrant crisis, we don't ask "what can we do stop it?" but "what can we do to help our fellow man?". Answers to the former will yield drastically different solutions than the answers to the latter.

Also, any kind of 'anti-immigrant' policy is necessarily an 'anti-working class' policy because immigrants are working class.

It's "Workers of the world, unite!", not "Workers in the same country, and same country alone, unite!" Capitalism is a global system, and it requires global resistance. Porky has successfully divided the global proletariat and also made us hate one another. You're just playing into porky's hand.

Juan Lopez
Juan Lopez

Alright just one thing:
It's "Workers of the world, unite!", not "Workers in the same country, and same country alone, unite!" Capitalism is a global system, and it requires global resistance.
You do realize global resistance is possible while still being divided yet cooperating right?

Aaron James
Aaron James

Are you suggesting people who don't want to live with foreigners will cooperate with foreigners? I don't think so.

The same reasons and rationale for why foreigners shouldn't immigrate will be used to explain why we shouldn't cooperate with them.

Think about it this way, if I don't want to share an apartment with someone cause they're Muslim/black/different, why would I then go and hang out with this person? First of all, the other person will tell me to go fuck myself because I told them they can't live with me, but now I want to hang out. They would be right to reject my offer.

Ethan Scott
Ethan Scott

Foreigners who don't want to live with foreigners will cooperate with foreigners who don't want to live with foreigners.

Wyatt Harris
Wyatt Harris

In the first world your best bet is the nazbol and anprim edgelords

Pic related

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Levi White
Levi White

here's the unfortunate fact:
downtrodden workers won't support politics that make their conditions worse, or that they see as making their conditions worse. appeals to an abstract global working class won't ever convince the majority: improvement in material conditions will. a liberal immigration policy has to come at the very least with high levels of guarantees of investment into social cohesion and systems that will be strained by mass immigration such as housing and infrastructure.
the workers aren't obliged to support communists, if the communists don't have their material interests and the improvement of their lives in mind and action.
But, by realising that all Humans are one species then big changes in how we operate can be made.
this is idealism, and already has been the idea behind socialist (and before that liberal) universalism for a long time. liberal universalism is of course just bourgeois universalism - but even that is under duress by the effects of globalisation.
regarding the immigrant crisis, we don't ask "what can we do stop it?" but "what can we do to help our fellow man?". Answers to the former will yield drastically different solutions than the answers to the latter.
the most functional answer is the same to both: stop the preconditions of mass migration - capitalism and western adventurism. both are done by organising the workers in the centre of global capitalism.

Dylan Richardson
Dylan Richardson

There are many ways for one population to outcompete another than simply murdering the other.

Zachary Lewis
Zachary Lewis

People learned from what happened to /pol/, faggot.
They didn't learn from /pol/, they didn't learn from /a/, and they especially didn't learn the multitude of times this happened on /v/. Ironic shitposting begets unironic shitposting when newfags come in and displace the oldfags through natural user attrition. The most important way to fight this now as it was long ago is a simple piece of advice: "lurk more, newfag"

Xavier Adams
Xavier Adams

Have you considered that humans might conquer and war not because of a genetic imperative but because it serves interests of the bourgeoisie, in other words Capital.
In a somewhat ironic twist, in the ancient world rulers regularly canceled consumer debts to protect the populace from debt enslavement to money-lending capitalists… One of the purposes of this was for having a population freed up for army recruitment.

Aiden Collins
Aiden Collins

He's fucked up in major ways and sees the need to cater to jewish people (like a hanukkah celebration), but he's the least imperialist president of the past
Trump has already theatened multiple countries with US wars of aggression, he is at least no better than HW Bush or Clinton.

James Morgan
James Morgan

those wars were threatened because Israel has conservatives' money in their pockets. we cannot refuse unless we want to get bombed to death.

ipso facto to answer both.

Dylan Thompson
Dylan Thompson

What does Israel have to do with Venezuela and North Korea?

Josiah Green
Josiah Green

stop avatar fagging please

Jaxson Williams
Jaxson Williams

white nationalist wish this wasn’t the case

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