If you haven't read Plato's Republic, then you are not educate

Luke Peterson
Luke Peterson

Plato nailed the current year:
“Come then, tell me, dear friend, how tyranny arises.That it is an outgrowth of democracy is fairly plain.”
“It is, then, in a sense, the same way in which democracy arises out of oligarchy that tyranny arises from democracy.”
“The good that they proposed to themselves and that was the cause of the establishment of oligarchy—it was wealth, was it not?”
“Well, then, the lust for wealth and the neglect of everything else for the sake of money-making was the cause of its undoing.”
“And is not the avidity of democracy for that which is its definition and criterion of good the thing which dissolves it too?”
“Liberty,” I replied; “for you may hear it said that this is best managed in a democratic city, and for this reason that is the only city in which a man of free spirit will care to live.”

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Levi Robinson
Levi Robinson

“Then, as I was about to observe, is it not the excess and greed of this and the neglect of all other things that revolutionizes this constitution too and prepares the way for the necessity of a dictatorship?”
"When a democratic city athirst for liberty gets bad cupbearers for its leaders and is intoxicated by drinking too deep of that unmixed wine, and then, if its so-called governors are not extremely mild and gentle with it and do not dispense the liberty unstintedly, it chastises them and accuses them of being accursed oligarchs.”
“But those who obey the rulers,” I said, “it reviles as willing slaves and men of naught, but it commends and honors in public and private rulers who resemble subjects and subjects who are like rulers.
"Is it not inevitable that in such a state the spirit of liberty should go to all lengths?”
“And this anarchical temper,” said I, “my friend, must penetrate into private homes and finally enter into the very animals.”
“Why,” I said, “the father habitually tries to resemble the child and is afraid of his sons, and the son likens himself to the father and feels no awe or fear of his parents."

Alexander Kelly
Alexander Kelly

"And the resident alien feels himself equal to the citizen and the citizen to him, and the foreigner likewise.”
"The teacher in such case fears and fawns upon the pupils, and the pupils pay no heed to the teacher or to their overseers either. And in general the young ape their elders and vie with them in speech and action, while the old, accommodating themselves to the young, are full of pleasantry and graciousness, imitating the young for fear they may be thought disagreeable and authoritative.”
“And the climax of popular liberty, my friend,” I said, “is attained in such a city when the purchased slaves, male and female, are no less free than the owners who paid for them.
And I almost forgot to mention the spirit of freedom and equal rights in the relation of men to women and women to men.”

Jackson Long
Jackson Long

“And do you note that the sum total of all these items when footed up is that they render the souls of the citizens so sensitive that they chafe at the slightest suggestion of servitude and will not endure it?
For you are aware that they finally pay no heed even to the laws written or unwritten, so that forsooth they may have no master anywhere over them.”
“This, then, my friend,” said I, “is the fine and vigorous root from which tyranny grows, in my opinion.”
“Vigorous indeed,” he said; “but what next?”
“The same malady,” I said, “that, arising in oligarchy, destroyed it, this more widely diffused and more violent as a result of this licence, enslaves democracy. And in truth, any excess is wont to bring about a corresponding reaction to the opposite in the seasons

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

tldr Plato says the signs of Tyranny approaching are:
“the father habitually tries to resemble the child and is afraid of his sons, and the son likens himself to the father and feels no awe or fear of his parents."
"And the resident alien feels himself equal to the citizen and the citizen to him, and the foreigner likewise.”
"The teacher in such case fears and fawns upon the pupils, and the pupils pay no heed to the teacher or to their overseers either. And in general the young ape their elders and vie with them in speech and action, while the old, accommodating themselves to the young, are full of pleasantry and graciousness, imitating the young for fear they may be thought disagreeable and authoritative.”

“And the climax of popular liberty, my friend,” I said, “is attained in such a city when the purchased slaves, male and female, are no less free than the owners who paid for them.
And I almost forgot to mention the spirit of freedom and equal rights in the relation of men to women and women to men.”
“And do you note that the sum total of all these items when footed up is that they render the souls of the citizens so sensitive that they chafe at the slightest suggestion of servitude and will not endure it?
For you are aware that they finally pay no heed even to the laws written or unwritten, so that forsooth they may have no master anywhere over them.”
Same shit. Different millennium.

Andrew Sanchez
Andrew Sanchez

not educate
Come back when you learn basic grammar and how to make a proper OP.

Brandon Sullivan
Brandon Sullivan

I have been told by (((academics))) that Plato supported faggotry and kid-diddling, please provide sources destroying these kike claims.

Daniel Scott
Daniel Scott

don't need any sources. just faggots projecting as usual.

Bentley Lee
Bentley Lee

Come back when you learn basic grammar and how to make a proper OP.
You're missing a comma.

Brandon Lewis
Brandon Lewis

listen and believe
Kill yourself roach.

Carter Brooks
Carter Brooks

You are wrong.
t. teacher.

Owen Williams
Owen Williams

shills trying hard to derail

Brayden James
Brayden James

This was the benefit of a classical education and why it is no longer provided to progressive children today. It formulates analytical thought, the history of the past, if forgotten will be relearned.

Isaiah Ward
Isaiah Ward

Exactly this; critical thought was replaced by (((critical theory))).

Jackson Green
Jackson Green

What's so sad is these people thinking they're on the "right side of History" when they're just ignorantly repeating it.
What? Our anarchic democracy necessarily leads to tyranny? How could this be?! That's not what happens in my Disney movies!

Ayden Rogers
Ayden Rogers

Greeks
White

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Grayson Gomez
Grayson Gomez

”Hey! You can’t discriminate! Plato was a pedophile too!”
”Do you have any sources that prove this?”
”Uhh… do you have any sources that DISPROVE this?”
Was that how this exchange went down?

Charles Jackson
Charles Jackson

You make a fair point and it is sad to observe, but whom you're referring to are not people to begin with–they're just talmudvision-programmed bugmen and shabbos goyim. On the brighter side, they're birth rates are rock bottom and the msm industry that poisoned their minds is dying even faster than the boomers that supported it.

While the infographs I've posted may sound cold and utterly cruel by describing these unexceptional individuals as soulless NPCs, the analogy isn't too far off from reality when you consider how little their world of marvel movies, tumblr, reddit, and sportsball actually is. Reflect on the goals, aspirations, and ideals you've placed upon yourself and sought to achieve and then ask yourself if any of the plebs you have to socialize with have come close to that.

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Joseph Davis
Joseph Davis

Exactly. If you look at leftist "arguments" now it's all parroted, none of it is real as it comes mostly from media and authority, nor do they handle the basic intellectual principle of learning their opponents positions or entertaining their ideas.

Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

Pretty much, only "she" mumbled about a section in The Republic and failed again to provide an actual page number when pressed.

See pic related and consume bleach.

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Bentley Edwards
Bentley Edwards

I assure you that my ancestry is 100% pure white german, unlike those dirty greeks.

Ethan Carter
Ethan Carter

It was very noticeable during the run up to the Trump election. A scandal, or a breaking event would be posted here and on 4chan, then Reddit and there would be a few hour delay while centralized authority decided to come up with a command 0(((talking points))) for the drones to follow, and then twitter would light up with hundreds of thousands of tweets, and the shills would flood the chans but during the 4 to 8 hours preceding that, nothing from the drones at all.

Isaiah Nelson
Isaiah Nelson

The Symposium.
Plato has Socrates depict philosophical eros as explicitly heterosexual, and depicts the characters praising homosexual behavior as immature, intemperate, and otherwise defective (with the sole exception of Aristophanes, whose speech isn't to be taken at face value).

Luis Reed
Luis Reed

You make a fair point and it is sad to observe, but whom you're referring to are not people to begin with–they're just talmudvision-programmed bugmen and shabbos goyim.
Plato talks about them too:
“Probably, then, tyranny develops out of no other constitution than democracy—from the height of liberty, I take it, the fiercest extreme of servitude.”
"But what identical malady arising in democracy as well as in oligarchy enslaves it?”
"The class of idle and spendthrift men, the most enterprising and vigorous portion being leaders and the less manly spirits followers.
"We were likening them to drones, some equipped with stings and others stingless.”
“And rightly too,” he said. “These two kinds, then,” I said, “when they arise in any state, create a disturbance like that produced in the body by phlegm and gall. And so a good physician and lawgiver must be on his guard from afar against the two kinds, like a prudent apiarist, first and chiefly to prevent their springing up, but if they do arise to have them as quickly as may be cut out, cells and all.”
Jews and their drones. Cut them out like a cancer.

Luis Ramirez
Luis Ramirez

Plato's ideal Republic is a basically a totalitarian communist state. Marxists all believe they are "philosopher-kings" whose duty is to impose their will on humanity for the greater good. His student Aristotle BTFO'd him on every point. Plato and The Republic are good to know, but Aristotle is the real father of Western thought.

see pic. Also, remember ancient historians often talked shit about people they didn't like, and uncritically believed the (((rumors))) they were told about certain societies.

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Liam King
Liam King

while we're here
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Marcus Aurelius-Best Lecture on Stoicism EVER! (full Virtual University lesson)

Nathaniel Torres
Nathaniel Torres

Plato didn't really say; Only the dead have seen the end of war.

Scholars say it's not in the Dialogues, or anywhere else, etc.

Nathan Brooks
Nathan Brooks

Plato's republic was created assuming a number of ideal conditions which communism also assumes. I highly doubt he believed such a republic possible, it was more a framing device for his explanation of justice than a true template for what government should be. I don't think you should be so hard on him.
Every time I here a laughable claim like that I remember that shitty phrase I first heard in a CoD game.
history is written by the victors
I certainly didn't think such a throwaway phrase would turn out so true.

Logan Johnson
Logan Johnson

What if I just read the Upanishads instead?

Ayden James
Ayden James

I wish more people were interested in this discussion

Elijah Evans
Elijah Evans

Plato
Surrender all powers to the state
what can go wrong?
Would conservacucks ever learn?

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Jose Roberts
Jose Roberts

/leftypol/index.html

Bentley Edwards
Bentley Edwards

Plato's Republic shouldn't necessarily be read as a sincere depiction of his ideal society. It's not completely unreasonable to think that it is, but there are enough things in the text that suggest otherwise that you shouldn't assume it going in.
The problem is that you have a whole bunch of fucking retards who read the Republic first, rather than starting with simpler dialogues so they can learn how to read Plato, and end up interpreting it the same way they would a normal philosophical treatise, which is wrong. Plato is not just writing a philosophical treatise, he's writing literature. If you start with his sequence about the death of Socrates (Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo) this is obvious, but people don't do that anymore because they're not interested in the topic of the Euthyphro.

Sebastian Bell
Sebastian Bell

Thanks a ton anons, that's exactly what I wanted.
The phrase "There is nothing new under the sun" is more true than people think.

Zachary Richardson
Zachary Richardson

then you are not educate

My irony for the day.

Andrew Nguyen
Andrew Nguyen

THE REPUBLIC IS THE MODEL FOR US

Blake Hall
Blake Hall

"The Laws" is Plato's follow-up book to "The Republic." Plato openly admits that the ideal society of Philosopher Kings that he writes about in The Republic is not a society that could exist in real life. He wrote "The Laws" to discuss practical laws that a real society could implement to come as close as possible to the Philosopher Kingdom.

Austin Rogers
Austin Rogers

It makes me sad to imagine being raised with that unbelievably well-rounded education some people used to get. I'm imagining the timeline where I'm sent to a military boarding school that teaches me the Classics, Science, Math, Philosophy, and an extremely Aryan interpretation of Hinduism, Christianity, and other religions. The current education system is such an abomination in comparison to what it could be. You don't learn shit, but still pretty much have your childhood ruined.

Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

You don't learn shit, but still pretty much have your childhood ruined
Yep, I'm having to spend every last drop of my twenties doing what I should have been doing in my teens.

Colton Scott
Colton Scott

Overrated.

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Nicholas Flores
Nicholas Flores

You're missing a comma.
holy shit your dumb. let me fix that for you. "your, missing a comma."

Jason Gutierrez
Jason Gutierrez

then you are not educate

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Carter Butler
Carter Butler

how to write good
not how to write well
REEEEEEEE

Luke Thompson
Luke Thompson

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Elijah Nguyen
Elijah Nguyen

The republic is a good read, but the ideas for structuring society are untenable.

The central argument boils down to

if only we had smart people in charge, things would be better

The only decent things he advocates for are eugenic breeding and meritocracy.

When he stars constructing the analogy of the city to explain justice he should have stopped at the concept of how different people need to rely on one another because each specializes in a job and when people can't rely on one another this system falls apart.

That would be a sufficient argument to refute the ring of gyges argument, because you cannot have luxuries and pleasures in a broken system, so the invisible unjust man would be self defeating by acting unjustly.

John Ortiz
John Ortiz

Plato's ideal Republic is a basically a totalitarian communist state

Not true.

Marx clearly stole HEAVILY from Plato, but Plato only advocates the abolition of property for the ruling class, while the retaining of private property for the working class. In this way, people who desire material power and wealth will have no incentive to become rulers.

Carter Johnson
Carter Johnson

Why do you even want to pick a school of thought, or a philosophy, or a religion, or…??? Either your mind works analytically and you can think for yourself, or you adopt someone ele's canned thought like a slave.

Colton White
Colton White

How could you read every single page of that book and come out the other side with such a dull and shallow interpretation? You missed the point completely. The Republic is about the natural order and how, no matter what restrictions you put on people, they will always gravitate back to the natural order. The are some people that are better than others. Fitness combined with wisdom results in the apex citizen. Nobody can master everything. Evilness leads to ruin. It's the fucking bible before the bible was written. Anyone criticizing such an amazing work of literature is obviously stupid enough to think that they are more enlightened than Plato.

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Evan Bennett
Evan Bennett

Ancient Greeks were white. Just because Turks live in Greece now doesn't retroactively turn white people from 2000 years ago brown.
Plato's ideal Republic is a basically a totalitarian communist state
Holy shit I didn't realize it was possible to be that stupid.

Wyatt Jones
Wyatt Jones

Holy shit I didn't realize it was possible to be that stupid.
Well Greeks WERE stupid. They thought that Earth is the center of the universe and didn't know what oxygen or vitamin C is. Dumb.

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Jose Foster
Jose Foster

They thought that Earth is the center of the universe and didn't know what oxygen or vitamin C is. Dumb
That is not being dumb. You only know the Earth isn't the center of the universe because people and/or educational material told you so. If such understanding didn't come to you from others, you wouldn't know any better.
Wisdom != knowledge.

Brandon Adams
Brandon Adams

KILL ALL THE ARTISTS
Sounds marxist to me.
Maybe why the US has enacted almost the entire thing.
Even the "just lie" and rigged voting systems (sex lottery).
mfw

Carson Martinez
Carson Martinez

Not greeks, you. Reset your router again and try one more time.

Ethan Hernandez
Ethan Hernandez

a ruler who can't own anything
Literally not a ruler. I've got Plato on my shelf, but everything I've read in this thread makes him sound like a stupid child.

Noah Gomez
Noah Gomez

Someone should translate it into modern English. It's a bit archaic and in grammar and diction; it reads like the King James Version bible.

Ryan Young
Ryan Young

Ever read the fables that get (((cut out))) of every modern edition of Aesop fables?

Let alone translated properly.

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Levi Brooks
Levi Brooks

Montaigne says OP is a faggot

Liam Torres
Liam Torres

You should have used a colon.

Joshua Nelson
Joshua Nelson

Marx actually thought communism would be good for the arts since it would give more people free time to make it. Didn't turn out that way though.

Zachary Jackson
Zachary Jackson

F.A. Hayek
/leftypol

Easton Kelly
Easton Kelly

Reading Plato, Socrates and Aristotle should be a requirement in any person's education. Also Pythagoras, not just for his theorem but for his philosophies as well.

William Jenkins
William Jenkins

education
The priest class is a waste of fucking time for all of history. Mystery school priest faggots are at least obviously retarded… unless you go to mystery school yourself of course.

Parker Martinez
Parker Martinez

we are a mystery school, kid

Daniel Thomas
Daniel Thomas

I'd like to think you're just trolling, but I'll bite. Basic empirical facts that we take for granted such as that water is really H2O are the product of hundreds of years of scientific and technological efforts. The greeks were not dumb because they thought things such as that the earth was the center of the universe, they simply came too early in history for information about oxygen or vitamins to be available. If you talked to Plato or Aristotle and demonstrated the evidence that water is really H2O, they would be convinced by you; they were philosophers and facts like those were not particularly important to them.

Zachary Cox
Zachary Cox

The Republic explains why democracy is shit.

The system it offers is a type of republic/meritocratic kingdom, but that's because Plato was living in an era where no other systems existed. He didn't even have words to describe fascism.

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Oliver Cruz
Oliver Cruz

No. This place is toxic to priests.
ps. This is the third secret of Thoth please don't tell the uninitiated.

Hunter Flores
Hunter Flores

Are you the asshole in every thread making asshole comments and saging? Don't you have anything better to do, or are you paid by the post to try to discourage people from posting on here?

Shills like you trying to fuck this place up will be dealt with the same as kikes.

Leo Green
Leo Green

A comma there would only be needed for clarity, because it's a two-item list

Jaxson Perry
Jaxson Perry

If you haven't read Plato's Republic, then you are not educate.

Thank you. A sane voice in a sea of shit this board has become.

Sebastian Walker
Sebastian Walker

uh oh, guess what you just did faggot.

Robert Bailey
Robert Bailey

And for the numbnuts who haven't read it yet: While the title in English is "The Republic", Plato is not talking about muh [only] democracy [in the Middle East]. It's a shitty translation and in many other languages the title of his musing is simply "The State" or similar. In fact, were he alive today, Plato would despise the forms of government that are currently on offer in the world and probably go on a rampage. Actually, he would probably be like Hitler. Hitler was like a man raised from the ancients in his clarity of thought, sanity and action, suddenly awoken to a world of lies, insane stupidity and bugmen.

He might well have been Hitler, or Hitler been him, and it is why they destroyed Hitler and made a caricature of him that even many of the people on "our" side believe in.

Evan Morales
Evan Morales

only comment that matters here, everyone needs to read The Laws before they can even pretend to comment intelligently about what Plato "believed." not that anyone will as it's too long and complex to be handwaved away with some idiotic one-liner worthy of a Harvard freshmen seminar on privilege.

Jason King
Jason King

I read half of it a while back but got caught up in personal issues, so I thank you kindly for reminding me. Gotta start over though. Don't remember my place in it.

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Ryan Lopez
Ryan Lopez

Neo-platonism and Hermeticism ftw.

Christopher Howard
Christopher Howard

He's not an esoteric Lainist
current year
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Luis Price
Luis Price

you are not educate
heh

Julian Diaz
Julian Diaz

Even without reading it, this is common sense for anyone who can observe things critically.

Everyone who lacks critical observation probably wouldn't read it anyways

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Julian Baker
Julian Baker

then you are not educate
hmmm

Matthew Reyes
Matthew Reyes

How the fuck are you supposed to practice that?
Is lain an egregore? Or is she an already entity revealed by SEL?

Isaac Harris
Isaac Harris

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Jonathan Cox
Jonathan Cox

Plato
Socrates was already warning us long before him even.

Brayden Edwards
Brayden Edwards

“the father habitually tries to resemble the child and is afraid of his sons, and the son likens himself to the father and feels no awe or fear of his parents."

This one hurts
"And the resident alien feels himself equal to the citizen and the citizen to him, and the foreigner likewise.”

"The teacher in such case fears and fawns upon the pupils, and the pupils pay no heed to the teacher or to their overseers either. And in general the young ape their elders and vie with them in speech and action, while the old, accommodating themselves to the young, are full of pleasantry and graciousness, imitating the young for fear they may be thought disagreeable and authoritative.”

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Ian Brooks
Ian Brooks

palto

Chase Hill
Chase Hill

might well have been Hitler
And for the numbnuts who haven't read it
The reason Plato is not maligned like Hitler and MUH classics

Gavin Brooks
Gavin Brooks

Surrender all powers to the state
(((State)))?

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James Ortiz
James Ortiz

while the old, accommodating themselves to the young, are full of pleasantry and graciousness, imitating the young for fear they may be thought disagreeable and authoritative.”

“And the climax of popular liberty, my friend,” I said, “is attained in such a city when the purchased slaves, male and female, are no less free than the owners who paid for them.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

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Henry Powell
Henry Powell

I have been told by (((academics)))

did those (((academics))) have any proof that supported their claims?

Cameron Hughes
Cameron Hughes

Don't feel too bad, user. I'm doing it in my late 30's. Other than a two Shakespeare plays from high-school English, my curriculum was completely devoid of classic literature. This is by design, because they want to sever the connection to wisdom and culture of the past; all the better for creating rootless cosmopolitans. But remember: you'll get more out of it studying for yourself because you chose the path, rather than having it forced upon you.

James Reed
James Reed

Should I bother to learn Latin and Green for reading the classics? I don't care for kiked "translations".

Colton Jackson
Colton Jackson

s/Green/Greek/

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

I like this type of discourse going on in this thread. Im happy that Zig Forums is getting back to the real debates like philosophical questions, linguistics/grammar, and mathematics.
It will truly be a great next 6 years with trump in office.

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Julian Hughes
Julian Hughes

Well, you know, you can't prove the Earth is a sphere.

8^)

Brody Cook
Brody Cook

< Nazism didn't result in enormous increases in the lives of the people of Germany

You are so cia-summer.

Justin Allen
Justin Allen

provide their sources so they may be debunked

I have no knowledge of these acusations nor any belife personaly of their merit

Chase Morgan
Chase Morgan

So, the thing is that Greeks had powerful ideas. This challenges kike hegemony. kikes have for a very long time hated Greece. What they hate most of all is that they loved wisdom. A culture which loves wisdom is kike-proof.

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

who the fuck are you replying too???

Landon King
Landon King

You're discussing debunking kikes. I'm continuing the concept of kikes hating Greece.

Debunking kikes is a waste of time. Force them to offer exceptional hard logic. They fail in every case, so, when dealing with intellectuals, kikes are swept from the room, easily - kikes rely upon fallacies entirely.

Brandon Parker
Brandon Parker

got it , thats what I was doing, I was by asking OP to respond with resources

yes we both know its a waste of time, plato lived in a time when logical discourse was of value

I think plato would agree that now the better sentiment is … fuck it , kill them all they dont want a republic they dont want a balanced life

they are savages, they are persons that use their skills to be a thief rather than to be a thief catcher (if you read the republic youll know that both must know the trade)

Liam Evans
Liam Evans

Checked.

Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

There are two things:
1. theft
2. defiling

These are the heart of the liberal, the kike, the faggot.

They only get into arguments when there is conflict over the primacy of (1) vs (2), and where there is opportunity cost or a matter of impatience.

Dylan Cox
Dylan Cox

(in other words, I agree, but it's important to add defiling).

Defiling is important, because it's actually a behavior that assists theft.

If you fuck shit up, sometimes it drops coins.

Isaac Bell
Isaac Bell

I'll pick it up after I finish the second half of The Decline of the West

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Noah Rivera
Noah Rivera

A warning, Plato is very dense. If you read it at the same pace as you read other books you'll get nothing out of it.

Owen Bailey
Owen Bailey

golden

Grayson Sullivan
Grayson Sullivan

Remember Glubb too.

people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

3-5 years to go

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Justin Young
Justin Young

I had to speed learn this shit at 40 to maintain my sanity. Now, I prepare.

Christian Russell
Christian Russell

there would be a few hour delay while centralized authority decided

We need to speed up this cycle. In a sense we succeeded, the Hogg, border shit and #paymetoo are still working off the plan they had formulated for a Shillary win. They are looking increasingly ridiculous by the day. NO ONE in Canada bought into that "incel rebellion" psyop outside the (((media))) and they're now trying to force the "Trudeau is a bad goyim" meme (he is, but he needs to stay in office and lose at the polls fairly, not be couped out like (((some people))) want… so yes I'm unironically supporting Castreau for now.

Hunter Sullivan
Hunter Sullivan

Bugmen can also mean buggered men too.

Liam Reed
Liam Reed

Am I good with an audiobook or should I just not bother unless I can get a real copy?

Ryder Gutierrez
Ryder Gutierrez

I've gotten used to thoroughly reading things, I don't mind all that much to read a page again if I notice my attention span on it slipped a bit. But yeah, you need to pace yourself properly for this stuff or it'll go out the other ear.

Jaxson Murphy
Jaxson Murphy

analysis isn't a school of thought
kill yourself. you had to learn from someone else how to chop things into little bits with analysis.

Jordan Williams
Jordan Williams

You are wrong.
t. teacher.
public school teacher.

David Nelson
David Nelson

Someone should translate it into modern English.
"modern" English is corrupted by Marxist bullshit.
even older Englishes are shit language. If you want to understand anything, start studying etymology.

Jaxon Green
Jaxon Green

What languages are better than english on the merit of understanding alone?

Nicholas James
Nicholas James

look how many I am very smart people I got to read and reply to this thread just by leaving out one letter.
too ez.

Ryder Baker
Ryder Baker

That's why John Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln. Lincoln was pretty much exactly following Plato's description of how the Tyrant grabs complete power. One of the steps is freeing the slaves and adding them to his own army to destroy their former masters who are the enemies of the tyrant.
It is also why all the morons calling Trump a tyrant should be mocked. By the actual definition and description of Tyranny, from its origins in Greek civilization, Trump is doing the exact opposite of what Tyrants do.
For example, Plato wrote that Tyrants start war after war so that they can distract the people and justify taxing them more and more. The wars are never supposed to end. And based on America's permanent wars, we've been living under real Tyranny for a long time, and unless Trump does start a war with Korea/Iran, he's rolling back the Tyranny.
If Trump helps reinstitute slavery in some form, then we'll have real freedom back.

Jace Jenkins
Jace Jenkins

Damn. Even in collapse phase America is still the greatest country on the world. Feels good man.

Jordan Carter
Jordan Carter

You can learn Greek, but it was kiked too, as was Latin. Your best bet is to learn German and read Heidegger and learn how he translated ancient Greek texts free from any influence of philosophy that developed after Plato.
The problem is we have only fragments of pre-Socratic philosophers, and most of those are corrupted, even in ancient Greek that those thinkers did not themselves use or existed when THEY wrote. It was latter Greeks butchering the work of earlier Greeks with different terms.
So we have very, very little access to the pure thought of those people upon whose work civilization was originally founded.

Jackson Russell
Jackson Russell

If Trump helps reinstitute slavery in some form, then we'll have real freedom back.
You're going to have to run that by me again, chief.

Jeremiah Torres
Jeremiah Torres

plato lived in a time when logical discourse was of value
this is modernist bullshit.
In Plato's time, RHETORIC was of value. CONvincing other people to agree with you by employing LOGOS, PATHOS, and ETHOS. LOGIC/LOGOS was just one element of rhetoric, and if you wanted to convince people, you had to master all three.
Pathos and Ethos have been disvalued very recently historically, while Logos has been privliged more and more by autists like yourself who think "rational" "scientific" "logical" etc are the only valid forms of argument.

Mason Rivera
Mason Rivera

who think "rational" "scientific" "logical" etc are the only valid forms of argument.
If you're not arguing rationally then you're not arguing. Only a fucking kike would suggest arguments exist to convince rather than to serve the unveiling of truth.

Charles Nelson
Charles Nelson

Good one, user. My sides are a bit sore after that one.

Andrew Clark
Andrew Clark

Totalitarian socialism for the sake of the people whose highest duty is to protect the purity of the blood….
hmmmmmmmm

Wyatt Cox
Wyatt Cox

this is modernist bullshit.

yea man, it is modern …
and the modern world is bullshit

Im a fucking realist mate, do you think 1984 was not an original work??? Do you think Orwell didnt have anything new to say. Todays world has experienced propaganda at level not even understandable by anyone born before the printing press. Take what you can from Plato , but THE world doesnt even want what The Republic teaches, a balanced life.

Half the world is retarded. Look out your window.

Jackson Robinson
Jackson Robinson

Logic is not the only path to truth, m8

Isaac Clark
Isaac Clark

t. Schopenhaur

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Isaac Lopez
Isaac Lopez

oh dear lord … just stop with the parsing of language.

If you think that what he wants from logic is not the same as truth then just tell him where his thinking is wrong, dont give this opened statement that adds no value.

And I dont think "truth" has even been defined to a satisfactory degree by philosophers and religious practioners, so your fucktard ass isnt gonna sit here and shine light on that one.

Simple question: "where is the desire of logic, not a representation of the entire truth?"

an example will suffice

Isaiah Turner
Isaiah Turner

There's too much sheltered objectivism in The Republic, talking about some underlying universal 'good', to take it seriously in the 21st Century when hordes of third world niggers are one Soros boat away from your home.

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Mason Morales
Mason Morales

Logic is not the only path to truth, m8
This is what happens you try to argue without logic. You just end up stating ridiculous bullshit with no follow up.

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Grayson Lewis
Grayson Lewis

Plato was an idiot with a bad method. There is a logical error in "The Republic" (confusing quantity of goods produced by a craftsman with the quality of those goods) that starts a train of argumentation that goes on for at least 50 pages.

You are better off sticking to Socrates and Aristotle. And any time you are tempted to take Plato seriously, read about Diogenes instead.

Benjamin Green
Benjamin Green

reddit.com/r/linganderson/comments/7ok2pr/north_korea_is_platos_perfect_republic/

inb4 plebbit

Joshua Cook
Joshua Cook

Not every argument put forth in a Platonic dialogue is meant to be correct. Read his simpler dialogues before you try to understand the more complex ones like the Republic or the Sophist.

Andrew Martinez
Andrew Martinez

Plato's Republic is the foundation of the NWO ideology in europa.

Zachary Kelly
Zachary Kelly

Have to agree with that but you are kinda taking it out of context.

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

Literally the core of leftwing rhetoric.

Evan Sanders
Evan Sanders

Hello, leftist shill. Fellate a shotgun.

Blake Bell
Blake Bell

I prefer the Howe-Strauss model.

Angel Brooks
Angel Brooks

< a society with no religion is consistent with Plato's ideal

jej

Evan James
Evan James

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Jeremiah Clark
Jeremiah Clark

tbh, I don't think the anti-logic crowd wears fedoras. I think they just knock up dirty thots and drink name brand beer - because that's just the right way, and they know, because they believe in their god, Television..

Anthony Diaz
Anthony Diaz

I wouldnt point to lack of religion as the fault I would point to the lack of food.

I think one of the first establishments or the republic was a assigning and specialization of tasks. One of these tasks being the farmer. It seems that North Korea might not be lacking in its ability to feed its people. This is definitiely not a standard of perfection for a republic.

There is a place where Plato talks about entertainment , and poets, and story tellers professions, so I guess you could put religion in there so far as it serves a purpose to the republic as a whole. Plato's philosophy seemed to require the need of a free market. Not stated out right but it could be the entire point of specializations is a basic enconomic idea of efficiency.

The bread maker makes bread and the smith molds iron because they are both good at it, and then they trade.

So as long as religion has a means of trade I think it would stand in the republic. I think a religion that governed with a heavy hand and did not offer anything to the populace but instead just taxed and enslaved would be considered corruption in Plato's eyes.

Owen Thompson
Owen Thompson

No.

lur2 into Athens.

Lucas Stewart
Lucas Stewart

Basically, religion was a given.

Aiden Hall
Aiden Hall

Machiavelli's interpretation is less whimsical, and he developed it further.

Henry Rodriguez
Henry Rodriguez

t. teacher
implying
i hope you aren't one of those self righteous marxist cunts brainwashing today's youths

William Phillips
William Phillips

You're right that the middle ages are also of value. However, society begins with the Greeks. They invented culture and debate and wisdom. Wisdom was first born among them.

Even today, few love her.

t. boomer

Blake Rivera
Blake Rivera

bump