Kratom, Drug Legalization, and "not reali socialism" it'll work this time i promise, ie prohibition

If opiate legalization would be so bad then why don't we hear stories of people ruining their lives because of kratom which is an opiate that is perfectly legal and available at most smoke shops?

Remember when socialists keep saying "we need *real* socialism?" Isn't that just a clear form of insanity? Trying the same thing expecting different results. Leftists KNOW that socialism has produced suffering historically over and over again but because their EGO is so desperate for something to believe in they INVEST IN DOGMA!

HOW ARE YOU NOT DOING THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING BY SAYING THAT PROHIBITION WILL WORK IF "WE JUST GET TOUGHER ON THE DEALERS/ADDICTS?" WE KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THANKS TO MAO ZEDONG!!!!!!! OPIUM WAS POPULAR IN CHINA LESS THAN A DECADE AFTER HE TRIED TO SLAUGHTER A THIRD OF THE POPULATION THAT WAS ADDICTED TO OPIUM!

AND THEN THERE IS THE PHILIPPINES AND DOOT TOOT, YOUR HERO. HE'S KILLED LIKE WHAT A FEW THOUSAND PEOPLE??? DON'T YOU FUCKING REALIZE ALL HE DID WAS MAKE THE SMARTER DEALERS MORE MONEY BY GIVING THEM A MONOPOLY??? DO YOU REALIZE HOW FUCKING EASY IT IS TO PRODUCE FENTANYL?? YOU SHOULD READ ABOUT IT?? AND DO YOU REALIZE HOW EASY IT IS TO AVOID POLICE??? YOU THINK THE POLICE ARE PSYCHIC??? YOU REALIZE WHEN THEY GO AFTER DEALERS IT'S LIKE DARWINISM AND THE SMARTER ONES SURVIVE AND THEN SPREAD THEIR EVASION TACTICS??

LOOK HOW "SUCCESSFUL" THE DRUG WAR IN TEH PHILIPPINES HAS BEEN:
reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/8gbs7f/drug_scene_in_the_philippines/

WHEN WERE MURDER RATES THE HIGHEST IN AMERICA??? WAS IT DURING THE WILD WEST??? NAH IT WAS THE FUCKING ALCOHOL PROHIBITION ERA AND IT GAVE RISE TO GUYS LIKE AL CAPONE!! GOOD JOB YOU CUCKS!! NICE JOB MAKING ORGANIZED CRIME AND CORRUPT POLITICIANS, THE TYPE TO GIVE PRESIDENCY OF AFGHANISTAN TO THE BROTHER OF A TRAFFICKER, MORE MONEY!!!!!

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Drugs are for degenerates.

NICE JOB BEING A USEFUL IDIOT

SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT FOR YOU IN A 20 YEARS

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YOURE BRAINWASHED THE EXACT SAME FUCKING WAY LIBTARDS AND REPUBLICANS WERE BRAINWASHED BY "MUHHH IRAQI WMDS" AND "MUHHH RUSSIANS"

WHY DONT YOU FUCKING HAND OVER YOUR GUN RIGHTS THEN IF YOU THINK THAT HUMANS DONT HAVE A RIGHT TO TAKE RISKS WITH THEIR OWN BODY?

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25k people do not die from terrorism annually in the US

YOU THINK IT'S NOT DEGENERATE TO POST ON A RACIST CHINESE CARTOON IMAGEBOARD ALL DAY????

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE SOME NANNY STATE DICTATING YOUR DAILY HABITS AND ACTIONS???

YOU'D PROBABLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CUCK FETISH DONT YOU AND YOU WANT TO BE **CONTROLLED BY OTHER MEN!!!!!**

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Kratom is not an opiate, it merely binds on mu-opioid and Kala-opioid receptors. Your entire post is misleading.

Kappa, not Kala. My mistake, mistyped.

OPIOID, GEEZ, WHAT A DIFFERENCE

IT AFFECTS "OPIATE" RECEPTORS (I KNOW HOW IT'S SPELLED BUT THIS IS HOW MOST PEOPLE SAY IT) AND **CAN CAUSE ADDICTION***

IF YOU TAKE KRATOM FOR A COUPLE WEEKS YOU WILL START TO HAVE PHYSICAL WITHDRAWALS WHEN YOU STOP TAKING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND KRATOM DOES INDEED BIND TO MU-RECEPTORS AND DOES CAUSE EUPHORIA!!! SURE IT'S SLIGHTLY LESS ADDICTIVE BUT BY YOUR LOGIC ANYTHING THAT CAUSES ADDICTION SHOULD CAUSE TOTAL CHAOS AND LEAD TO THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT HEROIN DOES RIGHT???

OR COULD IT FUCKING BE THAT ACTUALLY THE CYCLE OF SELF DESTRUCTION IS CAUSED BY THE WAR ON DRUGS AND WHEN ADDICTS GET ACCESS TO ENOUGH MEDICATION THEY ARE NOT IN SUCH BAD SHAPE?!??!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!??!

COULD IT BE!!?!?!??!?!?!?!

YOUR REALIZE DRUG CRIME IS ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PRICE????? OPIATES AND ESPECIALLY FENT COULD BE THE PRICE OF TYLENOL!!! THEN POOR ADDICTS WOULDNT HAVE TO FIND NEW PEOPLE TO SPREAD THEIR ADDICTION TO IN ORDER TO MIDDLEMAN DRUGS!!

SEE HOW THE WAR ON DRUGS INCENTIVIZES ADDICTION!!!!

AND FENT IS 500 TIMES SAFER THAN MORPHINE WHEN MEASURED CORRECTLY! IT HAS 500 TIMES HIGHER THERAPEUTIC RATIO! THE WAR ON DRUGS COULD HOOK ADDICTS UP WITH SAFER FENT THAT WAS PRE MEASURED!! OR WE COULD ACTUALLY STOP DEMONIZING THE DRUG AND TEACH ADDICTS TO MEASURE THEIR SHIT AND NOT BE SELF DESTRUCTIVE???? YOU REALIZE THAT FENT IS USED TO PUT PEOPLE UNDER FOR SURGERY SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT HAS SUCH A FUCKING HIGH SAFETY PROFILE??? IE THE DOSE THAT IT TAKES TO KILL IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE ONE TO CREATE COMA OR JUST PAIN RELIEF??? YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH STUPID FUCKING PROPAGANDA AND MISCONCEPTIONS YOU'VE BEEN FUCKING BRAINWASHED WITH?? YOU ARE LIKE A FUCKING ZOMBIE

!!!!!!

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sage

i meant to say legalization

no u

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WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO BUTTHURT ABOUT IMMIGRATION WHEN IT'S FUCKING MORE THAN OBVIOUS THE HIGH CRIME RATES ARE CAUSED BY THE WAR ON DRUGS!?!??!?!?!??!!??!?!?!?!??!

NOT JUST HERE BUT IN SOUTH/CENTRAL AMERICA AS WELL

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Fuck drugs, they should continue to be illegal. Sage. Here's some real redpills.

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sage

Fucktarded Neetsoc LARPers in this echo chamber will never opt to legalize drugs because they are all paid shills and dumbasses stupid enough to believe paid shills.
The government is trying to ban Kratom now because it has shown to be a great aid in helping people to get off other drugs, including alcohol and tobacco.
Drug rights are the same thing as gun rights, because they are all property rights.

The real question is, how long will it take until Imkampfy (who is totally a mod on here, I don't care what they told you) censors your thread. Although, I guess you screaming like a fucktard isn't helping your case.

t. pathetic manlet living in his mothers' basement

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Crime isnt the only or even the most important reason that people should resist immigration, smoothbrain
We dont need inferior genetics polluting our stock, and subhumans roaming our streets, period.

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sage

I just stepped into a leadership role in Denver. I sinned plenty. You’re only a single group I see

All drug users should be Duterte-d.

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actually pretty interesting but youre still a cuck

Reminder that you are a subhuman degenerate and avatarfag.

If you're in a leadership position, and you're not making an attempt to shut down the unconstitutional authoritarian actions of our government that is violating the property rights of the people, then you are a piece of shit, and when your meme "rope day" comes, YOU will be among the ones that we come for.

All who don't like the constitution should leave this country and go to eurocuckistan.

National socialists are socialists. It's in their name.
This thread is just disappointing. I was on Zig Forums in the early days, and now the entire userbase has been subverted by people who said "we never even like ron paul anyway"

How about you give an actual argument instead of using constant ad-hominem attacks? Oh wait, I forgot, you're a bot or a retard who has less brain cells than anyone who's ever """destroyed their brain""" with marijuana.

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Actually a lot of people on /k support legalization and ancapism in general but SOME DON'T. It's mind boggling and they do all the same things as LIBERALS to try and justify why their thing should be subsidized and the things they dont like should be banned. My theory is if we keep hammering them with how they are acting like liberals.. especially the "not real socialism" and how their solution is just to double down on a solution that has already been shown to not work, eventually they might cave in. But that double down thing is a savage curse of human nature.

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OP is an obvious agent provocateur. Yes kratom should be legal, no not all proscriptions against drugs are sensible, but it's not as easy as "legalize it all xdxdxd". That logic can lead down the line to legalizing prostitution, pedos, dick chopping child sex reassinger surgeons and so on (I'm grouping in selling meth to people/children, same level degeneracy).

If the Philippines war on drugs increased prices, that's a positive sign, heroin meth and crack are shit for everyone and high prices can discourage use, so all good and well for me. A proper path forward is probably a case by case analysis of the "harder", more synthesized drugs that lead to addiction or death more easily, but yeah weed, kratom and the like are good candidates to be left alone. A smart user left to his own devices could make opium, cocaine, hash, grow his own grain and make his own whiskey/beer, grow his own tobacco etc, and this is probably the place for it to happen.

Industrialized production with indiscriminate sales however, legal or illegal, can and will lead to more abuse than otherwise, it's a road we went down previously with other drugs. I don't think anyone here wants a return to Street side cocaine vendors and opium dens lining the alleyways.

But you all should have known that op was a giant faggot larper in from leftypol by the way he types, it's butt-obvious.

sage

So sage.

Psychedelics should be legal

Nah not really, it's a worthwhile discussion that isn't had enough here. We need to get more sophisticated on issues, having "legalize it xdxdx" vs. "sage the degenerate" just smacks of a psyop or shill campaign to lower the level of dialogue here.

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I KNOW RIGHT.. Haha at least when anonymous was fashionable people wanted FREEDOM.. Now they are literally BEGGING for cuckery!! And anonymous has been subverted by the LEFT!

The nazi stuff literally started as ironic trolling and memes! The hooknose thing was PLAYFUL. But then when a generation of newfags saw it they started worshipping it like some kind of DOGMATIC CARGO cult and now so many of them are ironic about it. I seriously think it's just stupidity but sometimes I wonder if there were more nefarious entities that took advantage of it.. clearly at least some people use it for clicks, but it could be more.

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We're not going to be able to have the discussion until the legalizers are banned, and they're not going to be banned.

sage

Pointing out that guns are just another technology like concentrating plant matter into drugs is a technology is a great way to debate antigun libs, who are generally pro-pan drug use.


Nah, I don't Reddit space, I just hit enter after paragraphs because I'm not a nigger.


Yes the right is dead, all smart conversation is over, amirite fellow boy fucking spencerite?

you can lick my waifu's feet like THE DOG.. you are because you've been trained like A DOG to RESENT YOUR OWN FREEDOM

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