ITT I convince you that He is the way, the truth, and the life

Asher Wilson
Asher Wilson

ITT I convince you that He is the way, the truth, and the life.

Lucifer BTFO

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Sebastian Watson
Sebastian Watson

First for being smart enough to realize that OP is a faggot trying to make Christians look bad.

James Collins
James Collins

Is that what I'm doing. Didn't know. Thought I was saving souls.

Hudson Martin
Hudson Martin

"Lucifer BTFO" sounds like some "How do you do fellow kids" shit. No way have you any sincere intentions.

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Thomas Taylor
Thomas Taylor

Not my intention. Satan = blown the fuck out. Better?

Angel Evans
Angel Evans

If that truly is your intention, lurk 2 more years before posting again. If that isn't your intention and you're trolling, lurk 2 more years before posting again.

Grayson Wright
Grayson Wright

You sound like a faggot. You give bo evidence that Saton isn’t in fact actually winning this war.

FFS the Jews literally own everything and everyone already.

Ayden Moore
Ayden Moore

You don't do anything. The Lord is who saves.

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Daniel Ramirez
Daniel Ramirez

Why

You give bo evidence that Saton isn’t in fact actually winning this war.

Don't need to. A resurrection already happened

NOW you sound Jewish.

Dylan Bennett
Dylan Bennett

If God is omnipotent, why doesn't he create a world that's perfect for everyone?

Henry Gomez
Henry Gomez

Who said he doesn't? Satan?

cool

Landon Reyes
Landon Reyes

The one that happened 2000+ years ago. Too bad npbody actually paid attention to his teachings and we’ve fucked over the world.

I’m just waiting for revelations to play out.

Julian Mitchell
Julian Mitchell

I’m just waiting for revelations to play out.

So you do believe

Landon Cox
Landon Cox

How can jewish mythological socialism save my soul?

Henry Green
Henry Green

*Revelation

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

I can look out my window and see the world's not perfect. Why doesn't God make it perfect?

Thomas Turner
Thomas Turner

Who told you the truth was Jewish mythological socialism?

He does. You just buy lies.

Eli Phillips
Eli Phillips

You sound like you don't understand scripture. It is the Holy Spirit that moves on a person. You may sow but He will reap.

Adam Brooks
Adam Brooks

Why did the judean cult steal the claim that emperor Vespacion could heal the blind? Why is emperor neros name in greek "666" after ran through kabbalah?

Luke Martin
Luke Martin

If God real why bad thing happen????

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Noah Williams
Noah Williams

worshipping (((YHWH)))
/christian/ raid thread btw.

Christian Myers
Christian Myers

Is the Spirit not moving & reaping here, now?

Never trust a "Kabbalist."

Jose Hall
Jose Hall

Can't answer the question
The answer I usually get is
because people have free will and ruin it.
If God is truly omnipotent, he could change logic such that humans have free will and a perfect world

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

Didn't even know that board existed. No raid.

Tyler James
Tyler James

Why don't you try responding to the OP instead

Blake Richardson
Blake Richardson

Realistically you haven’t put forth any arguments. Let alone a convincing one, like you said in the OP

Andrew Sullivan
Andrew Sullivan

The argument is the resurrection and the Bible

Nolan Morales
Nolan Morales

Why aren't you entertaining my entry-level question that takes two seconds to find out the answer for

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Ian Sanders
Ian Sanders

Because you said the world is perfect, which it is very clearly not. You contradicted yourself
The world is perfect
But you don't think it is because of Satan's lies
If Satan is lying to me, the world is not perfect

Xavier Lee
Xavier Lee

If God is truly omnipotent, he could change logic such that humans have free will and a perfect world

It's coming. The days are coming when the whole world will be Eden again

Evan Martinez
Evan Martinez

Reminder that the majority of Christians are anti-Christ. Every time they open their stupid (((YHWH)))-worshipping mouths, they disgrace Jesus.

Luke Nelson
Luke Nelson

That's an amazing question. If it takes two seconds to answer, why aren't you answering?

Xavier Thomas
Xavier Thomas

Why doesn't he do that now? Why does he let suffering happen if he's truly all-loving?

Adrian Davis
Adrian Davis

I’m starting to agree with the first poster. Idk what, but something seems off about you.

Jaxson Thompson
Jaxson Thompson

If God says good and you say bad, you are under the influence of the evil one.

Here, let me ask a better question on your behalf in order to lead you along the path: Why is Satan allowed to exist?

Yes, thank Gd for mercy

He has given men the freedom to follow and trust in the evil one. He has given the evil one the freedom to exist.

And what is that

Michael Rivera
Michael Rivera

Satan's allowed to exist because without him there'd be no free will. However, the downside to this is that it brings sin and suffering. If God is truly omnipotent, why can't he make a creature that has free will and can't sin or suffer. To us mortals, that seems illogical, but God is all-powerful, and can change logic. My why question is, why doesn't he?

Easton Roberts
Easton Roberts

O___O

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Grayson Fisher
Grayson Fisher

Satan's allowed to exist because without him there'd be no free will.
False. God gave Adam, with free will as a matter altogether separate from his primordial angel of light.

True

Luis Rodriguez
Luis Rodriguez

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Oliver Rodriguez
Oliver Rodriguez

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John Reed
John Reed

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Levi Jones
Levi Jones

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That's basically it. Satan is our bitch

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

Lucifer blew it and took down many angels with him. Disassembling Satan (the fallen Lucifer) is a process that results in the rise of man. Man is what angels are made of and now the men of evil are being separated into Lucifer and Satan followers. Same thing is happening with all the other angels that fell with Satan. Get it? Satan only exists in time now, whereas he was outside of time when he was in heaven.

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

(checked)
wtf i'm an atheist now

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

Adam had free will because he had the ability to be tempted by the serpent to disobey God.
'Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”'
It's a long stretch to say the serpent isn't Satan. So no, free will wasn't separate from Lucifer

Samuel Peterson
Samuel Peterson

Honestly, I'm listening, but I'm not sure I quite understand your argument. Rephrase?

I know right?

The War in Heaven occurred after creation itself, dude. Obviously.

Logan Harris
Logan Harris

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Elijah Taylor

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Mason Cooper
Mason Cooper

The war in heaven doesn't have any scriptural basis, and is more akin to folk legend than actual Christian canon. And if the serpent isn't Satan, who or what is it?

No need to be rude, I just want to have a discussion with a Christian. Say something constructive or don't post

Connor Williams
Connor Williams

When Satan was cast down he crumbled into the bits he was made of, (he was destroyed). Because of the nature of angels, when they are destroyed, they don't just vanish but they disassemble into men (people/mankind) in this universe made in time. The reason is to observe and assess every individual bit of Satan so that any good that was taken can be returned to heaven. That's why we have a choice. Either identify and choose Satan or identify and choose God.

Elijah Morris
Elijah Morris

Disregard my first statement, it is mentioned, but not given a time period. Point still stands

Landon Kelly
Landon Kelly

Interesting argument. Much more enlightening than Op.

Blake Price
Blake Price

The war in heaven doesn't have any scriptural basis
Revelation 12:7-9

Lol, Satan was destroyed? Are you sure?

Your point doesn't still stand.

Juan Carter
Juan Carter

Read the Bible and test these thoughts. See if you can find any wrong way in them.

Brandon Sullivan
Brandon Sullivan

Okay, what proof do you have that the war in heaven happened after the fall of man?

Jonathan Cox
Jonathan Cox

Thanks for warning us about the synagogue of satan, Jesus.

Aaron Reyes
Aaron Reyes

why doesn't he create a world that's perfect for everyone?
He did. But because of the free will that he gave Adam and Eve, they sinned against him and brought death into the world. He will make everything perfect again, but you'll have to wait for the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Connor Kelly
Connor Kelly

No doubt - the universe you live in is destruction. Big bang! Sun! Empty space… Death! Servitude. Don't you count this place as destruction?

Jason Murphy
Jason Murphy

see

Matthew Ross
Matthew Ross

BTW, he will only give life to those who believed in him and followed his word. As for those who didn't, they will perish in hell after judgement.

Colton Jones
Colton Jones

Time is only relevant here. Heaven is outside of time. Fall of Satan occurred outside of time so his destruction happens "while" trapped in time. Rocket Science 101

Cameron Wood
Cameron Wood

Which edition is the right one?

Considering that we speak a language much different than the one it was intended to be read in, and there’s no way I’m learning latin for lack of proper latin education near me.

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

That supports my argument of the serpent being Satan, meaning that man's free will IS connected to Satan's existence.

Xavier Wright
Xavier Wright

Hell was made up by Catholics. It has no real basis…it was a pagan teaching that allowed the Catholics to threaten and control their subjects. Even in Hebrew, 'hell' just means the grave.

Chase Brooks
Chase Brooks

If you're still following it's too late for you. You must lead. Read the Bible, trust what it says, test what you THINK it means by talking to others about what you read. Learn more and more until you become enlightened.

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

You're in hell sunny boy. All you have to do to stay here for eternity is die. You want out? I got answers.

Blake Allen
Blake Allen

It's scriptural, dude.

Nice to be appreciated.

Good

Are you citing the shittiness of Satan's reign on Earth is evidence for the fact that Satan no longer exists?

Maybe you can help me answer a question: When it comes to Bible Christians, what is the precise threshold where belief in the Word is sincere enough? Sincerity of belief occurs to me as a continuous spectrum. Where is the cutoff point?

My proposed answer: last judgment only occurs after resurrection, after men will see the Kingdom with their own eyes. Maybe you have a better answer. My question is similar to

This is actually true.

You need to reread what has already been said.

Do you not think Catholic theology is inspired, at least in part? Christianity has had pagan elements since the early church.

Nathaniel Price
Nathaniel Price

without him there'd be no free will.
This is retarded bullshit.
There are a shitload of things humans are physically incapable of doing that don't magically remove free will by being impossible. Making it so we couldn't end up in such a hell hole of a world as this one wouldn't magically remove free will either.

Hudson Stewart
Hudson Stewart

NIV

Grayson Bailey
Grayson Bailey

Actually he might be in Heaven and just not know it. So might you be

Zachary King
Zachary King

Not when it is clearly made up in 700AD as a way to mind control people. The Serpent in the garden rears its ugly fucking head once again.

Brandon Jackson
Brandon Jackson

You want out? I got answers.
Lay them on me…I like info

Carson Allen
Carson Allen

JWanon here, every other church is gay.
OP is also the big gay.

Deep down, you know we're right. Peace.

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Adam Martin
Adam Martin

Sounds like you crave Eden. I wonder if Earth will ever be Eden again.

Not when it is clearly made up in 700AD as a way to mind control people.
Citation needed

I've never talked to a JW. Why aren't you Catholic or just follow the Bible? Why Watchtower?

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

I don't disagree with you, but I'm arguing according on the lines Christian theology, in order to poke holes in his argument. Christianity states that the reason the world isn't perfect is due to sin. In

Nathan Evans
Nathan Evans

You need a savior. Someone who can reach down and grab you up to heaven.

Easton Howard
Easton Howard

No one is coming to save you. Hopium, has never saved anyone. And your leaders are soothing the masses, lulling them into a stupor; telling them all to 'Drink the KoolAid, and die with dignity'. There is no dignity in dying a coward on your knees

Cameron Anderson
Cameron Anderson

Russell's beginnings were humble, he simply picked up the book and began reading.

The Watchtower is usually brutally honest with depiction and setting; they also don't claim to be inspired, nor strive for anything fanciful like gigantic Catholic statures.

Also, we DO follow the Bible, the Watchtower is simply an added supplement to help with your faith and reading.

Isaiah Clark
Isaiah Clark

I'm arguing according on the lines Christian theology, in order to poke holes in his argument.
Sorry about that. That line of reasoning is one of my pet peeves, and I should have taken a bit longer before posting to read more thoroughly.

Andrew Howard
Andrew Howard

So in the bible god refers to himself as “us” and “our” a few times.

Would it be odd to think that it’s more than one being?

Jayden Mitchell
Jayden Mitchell

Satan is the shattered Lucifer. The only difference between Satan and people is that Satan can hear thoughts of others because he was what they've become.

Cameron Hughes
Cameron Hughes

don't beat someone with your confidence, share it.

Parker Campbell
Parker Campbell

It's past midnight where I live, I gotta go to bed
If the mods don't 404 this thread than I'll be up to argue tomorrow

Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

Yeah but a modicum of research will tell you that SIN is not something you can 'do' it is the Moon God of the Babylonians.

this is really a down and dirty search, but anyone who has done extensive biblical reseach knows that the Catholics made up hell…you can find TONS of stuff online about Dante's inferno and the Catholics manipulation of the masses via the 'threat of hell'. You can even find the 'church fathers' agreeing to LIE TO PEOPLE 'for their own good'…publicly they state this in their own writings…that it is 'GOOD' to lie to people.
deadstate.org/retired-priest-hell-was-invented-by-the-church-to-control-people-with-fear/

Charles Fisher
Charles Fisher

Christians don't need anybody to make them look bad; they do that all by themselves. As evidenced by this thread. Also history.

Jose Gutierrez
Jose Gutierrez

Hmmm I hope my mom will have mercy on me then…I am sure she is interested and puzzled by what is going on in my mind…LMAO

Brayden Johnson
Brayden Johnson

Not odd. If you are a brother, father, son, and at the end of your life you were describing your whole being would you say "we" when describing all of the prior instances of yourself?

Dominic Johnson
Dominic Johnson

Your idea that "without Satan there would be no free will" is false. Consider Eden. Suppose Original Sin never occurred. In this hypothetical, Satan might as well not exist – Eden is protected. Do Adam and Eve not have free will to eat and frolic and play with their naked bodies?

OK child of Satan.

Fair enough. Jesus doesn't favour it above other forms of worship though, so I don't know why you put up with the stigma of being a weirdo, and also the other shady shit that everyone says exists.

If the Queen does, why shouldn't the King.

Satan is not "people."

Look what has become of our thread :)

Satan is BTFO from this thread so they won't.

Ever heard of the Lake of Fire?

Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones

But the souls of people are Satan. Not all people, but all people who reject God.

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

In all honesty, that "shady stuff" is mostly jewish deception, most of the people who got disfellowshipped had to do something to GET there; either they abused a child, were sexually promiscuous, or some other miscreant sin.
John Cedars is a useless fedora tipper weakling who prank-called the branch; his apostacy disgusts me. The Media also constantly puts us in a bad light, this eventually led to my redpill on Jews. Jews have done nothing but suppress the truth in every religion and regard, including us.

Leo Fisher
Leo Fisher

That's an esoteric point. There may be something to it, or not. I don't see why you're fixated on it.

Elijah Roberts
Elijah Roberts

Even if you're not shilling for a secluded and secretive organization, God still asks us to rejoice in beauty, and JW buildings are always the ugliest in town.

Sebastian Torres
Sebastian Torres

No I wouldn’t. I’m saying that some versus such as Genesis 2:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

It sounds like God is of a different species of sentiment beings TBQH.

Jonathan Hernandez
Jonathan Hernandez

Of course, the source of Creation that all men are terrified of beyond reason. (It is not really 'fire' BTW…it is also called the Sea of Glass…and the Throne of God sits on it; sort of, that is a TERRIBLE description…as 'throne' who would have ever considered that to be a Throne…who knows.)

Elijah Jenkins
Elijah Jenkins

It's necessary for team building. Equally yoked.

Christian Turner
Christian Turner

Genesis 3:22 I meant.

Adam Sanders
Adam Sanders

Yep, God is certainly different. He DID create man in his image, though. So there's that.

Grayson Martin
Grayson Martin

I would rather live a humble life with a lovely congregation in small buildings that can send a message throughout the world, then a grand and bold crystal dream like modern-day churches.

Parker Reyes
Parker Reyes

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we

It's also used in mathematical proofs. I wonder why?

Who gave you this info?

Fair enough man.

Jaxson Reyes
Jaxson Reyes

in his image
That takes on a completely different meaning when the universe is an esoteric metaphor for an .iso

Matthew Barnes
Matthew Barnes

I have seen it. No one gave me the info

Gavin Edwards
Gavin Edwards

Fair enough man.

Who told you this

There's always a giver.

Adam Torres
Adam Torres

Oh, I see you're joking. Word

Daniel Gonzalez
Daniel Gonzalez

:) I don't really know you user…and now you want to know everyone all my friends list…LMAO.

Justin Miller
Justin Miller

Nah I don't. Just who told you that God's throne sits on the Lake of Fire

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

everyone *all* my
everyone *on* my

Levi Green
Levi Green

OK, well I told you…I have been there and seen it.

William Martinez
William Martinez

Care to share?

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

Nobody did, it's not that uncommon of an analogy made in the holographic universe/etc threads. Do we know too much?

Jacob Allen
Jacob Allen

I was just wondering who could have come up with such a stupid idea.

Colton Jackson
Colton Jackson

That was harsh, it's a cool idea and pretty woke, but I just wouldn't bet my soul on it.

Jaxson Ortiz
Jaxson Ortiz

Not on Zig Forums…I have got to go to bed anyway…it's late, I am tired, when I go to bed late I still have to get up early. Night user.

Aaron Gonzalez
Aaron Gonzalez

Have a good one man. Good luck with your adventures on Earth and in the heavens.

Gavin Lopez
Gavin Lopez

someone say they're lookin to bet their soul?

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Carter Long
Carter Long

w0ke

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

Satan encourages man to seize his own destiny
(((YHWH))) REEEEEEEs and punishes all of mankind for daring to pursue self-actualization
Somehow Satan is the bad guy

But why

Adam Kelly
Adam Kelly

"Self-actualization" is only in God. Anything else is a lie.

Adam Wright
Adam Wright

Is that why God smote the tower of babel?

Robert Taylor
Robert Taylor

God gave men free will
Satan lies and lies and subverts like his evil children, the jews
Oy vey why do you persecute us so

JUDEN RUS

Josiah Murphy
Josiah Murphy

No, it's not true that God smote the Tower because self-actualization is only in God.
other reasons

Nice reversal

Brayden Anderson
Brayden Anderson

Correct, he smote them as nothing they planned would be impossible

The hebrew/christian god is a befuddling trickster that MEDDLES in the works of man

Liam Murphy
Liam Murphy

jesus knocks on the door of a persons house "let me in let me in!" "Why?" "who are you?" the person asks. "It's me jeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzuuuuuuuuuuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzz! Let me in!" he says. "Why?" the person asks. "Because I need to save you!" Jesus says. "From what??" the person asks. "FROM WHAT I'M GOING TO DO TO YOU IF YOU DON'T LET ME IN!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Joshua Smith
Joshua Smith

If wisdom isn't the Lord then what is wisdom?

If you don't let Him inside, then what can he possibly do to harm you? Surely nothing.

Cooper Taylor
Cooper Taylor

Wisdom.Sapience.Free will.
Not being NPC livestock for THE MIGHTY CUT SCHLONG

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Austin Murphy
Austin Murphy

they threaten to burn everyone in hell that disagrees with them

Benjamin Nguyen
Benjamin Nguyen

Not hard to do.

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Thomas Rivera
Thomas Rivera

"Self-actualization" is only in God. Anything else is a lie.
So why did the fucking tree even exist in the first place? (((YHWH))) specifically warns Adam that he'll die if he eats from the tree of life, but given the context that's tantamount to (((YHWH))) threatening to kill Adam.

((((YHWH))) gives man free will
Man uses free will in a way that (((YHWH))) doesn't approve of
(((YHWH))) punishes all of mankind
Smells more like Jewish tricks to me.

If you don't let Him inside, then what can he possibly do to harm you? Surely nothing.
Given the history of (((Christianity))) I would be much more worried about (((YHWH)))'s followers rather than (((YHWH))) himself.

Parker Murphy
Parker Murphy

jews are one thing, but christians… basically the same thing with a different name. muslims too actually. basically all 3 are semitic religions, all basically the same religion.

islam worships black cube at mecca
jews tie black cube to forehead
christian cross folds into a cube
saturn SATAN saturday santa has a cube in the north pole of the planet
jewish star has 3D cube in the center
the atom is the jewish star

Nathan King
Nathan King

Wisdom.Sapience.Free will.
Did Adam not already have those?

Who could be behind this post?

Who's the one doing the threatening?

My assumption is that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil exists to illustrate that it's possible to disobey God. Just ill-advised.

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Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

Lucifer isn't Satan.

Julian Carter
Julian Carter

No no no, they were told to not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Thing is how could they have known that it was evil to disobey God if they didn't eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil yet? Free will is fake, as the whole event was meant to happen. Judgement day is inevitable.

Jason Thomas
Jason Thomas

Elaborate on the last three? Especially the last two. This is interesting when you consider what "black box" means in the context of the SINGULARITY.

Liam Gonzalez
Liam Gonzalez

What's the difference and who told you?

Thing is how could they have known that it was evil to disobey God if they didn't eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil yet?
God told them so?

Wyatt Johnson
Wyatt Johnson

Wisdom is fundamentally growth, and growth is the fundamental value of life.

Like a central bank the Abrahamic god demanded man work in his tender rather than their own, and in doing so demanded the supplantation of mans intrinsic means of growth with his.

The notion that god could allow for the "mistake" of free will within man that he himself works to "rectify" demands the concept of a fallible god, which, to be fair, I can accept.

John Rogers
John Rogers

God told them so?
Yes but they didn't know it would be bad to disobey what God told them to do or not do because they didn't yet eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so they didn't know it was evil to disobey.

This is interesting when you consider what "black box" means in the context of the SINGULARITY.

Tell me more.

planet saturn has a cube shaped storm in the north pole
you can draw a math 3D cube in the space of the center of the jewish star
find a picture of the atom like it's drawn in every cartoon. rotate it a little and look at the center only. it's the jewish star.

Asher Collins
Asher Collins

Lucifer is found only once in Scripture, specifically Isaiah 14:12. Isaiah was written in Hebrew but Lucifer is a Latin word. The original verse referred to a Babylonian king, not a fallen angel or spirit, and the Hebrew word used was Hillel, which meant "to shine" and referred to the planet Venus. When Jerome translated his Vulgate he misunderstood the Hebrew meaning and figured Isaiah was referring to Satan. Jerome equated Hillel with the Latin word Lucifer (to bring light) and created the myth of Lucifer = Satan.

Lincoln Peterson
Lincoln Peterson

I thought HAY-ZOOS was like a Ken doll down there .
Don't get the first one

Liam Allen
Liam Allen

free will is both real and fake at the same time. paradoxical duality.

Aiden James
Aiden James

The only thing that really exists is the perspective, everything else is taken on faith

William Foster
William Foster

Wisdom is fundamentally growth, and growth is the fundamental value of life.
This is noise. You're just saying words now.

Like a central bank the Abrahamic god demanded man work in his tender rather than their own, and in doing so demanded the supplantation of mans intrinsic means of growth with his.
Nonsense. God is not like a central bank. He is the creator of the Universe.

The notion that god could allow for the "mistake" of free will within man that he himself works to "rectify" demands the concept of a fallible god, which, to be fair, I can accept.
God is perfect and all his ways are perfect. You need to get over the fact that He created man in His own image, which includes sovereignty.

Yes but they didn't know it would be bad to disobey what God told them to do or not do because they didn't yet eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so they didn't know it was evil to disobey.
If God tells you something then you know it.

find a picture of the atom like it's drawn in every cartoon. rotate it a little and look at the center only. it's the jewish star.
Can you actually find me this. I'm interested but don't know what I'm looking for. Very cool about Saturn and the SoD.

Suppose Isaiah 14:12 isn't referring to Satan. What then?

Elijah Sullivan
Elijah Sullivan

OK, maybe I'll stop using Lucifer and Satan interchangeably. Truthfully, I always knew there was a difference that I was missing. Thanks user.

Evan Anderson
Evan Anderson

Are the Jews the children of Satan?

Alexander Hernandez
Alexander Hernandez

It refers to the then ruling Babylonian king. The verse was a prophetic vision regarding him.

Landon Murphy
Landon Murphy

no problem

Ian White
Ian White

be more specific.

Xavier Cox
Xavier Cox

Literally a dick pic thread and a jesus thread. What are mods doing?

Noah Brooks
Noah Brooks

What's your education or background?

Joshua Morgan
Joshua Morgan

The Jews are the lost sheep of Israel that need a good shepherd.

Levi Walker
Levi Walker

Apparently not.
I was commenting on the archetypal/ symbolic/ mythological nature of the snake.
Jives w/ Prometheus & other rebel gods in human lore

Asher Phillips
Asher Phillips

Ah ok.

Hudson Garcia
Hudson Garcia

Pagan gods in other words.

Juan Nguyen
Juan Nguyen

Yes but they didn't know it would be bad to disobey what God told them to do or not do because they didn't yet eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so they didn't know it was evil to disobey.
If God tells you something then you know it.
If God created humanity with the knowledge of good and evil then why would God make a tree with the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil if humanity already had this information? If humanity already had this information then eating the fruit would have not affected them, and yet it did and caused them to become embarrassed of their nakedness. This is proof that they did not have the knowledge of the fruit before eating it and is proof that they were not created with the knowledge of good and evil. I agree that when God tells you something, you know it. But I think God made the whole situation happen this way because it was the direction humanity was supposed to go, on this insane journey for a holy purpose.

find a picture of the atom like it's drawn in every cartoon. rotate it a little and look at the center only. it's the jewish star.
Can you actually find me this. I'm interested but don't know what I'm looking for. Very cool about Saturn and the SoD.

http s://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Star_of_David.svg
http ://worldartsme.com/images/atom-symbol-clipart-1.jpg

Aiden Diaz
Aiden Diaz

In religion? Grew up in a Roman Catholic household and later delved into the Occult.

Luis Moore
Luis Moore

A cultist will take any attitude to spread their degenerate lies.

Make it serious, make it scary, make it magical, make it authoritative, make it hopeful, and now they want to make their cult cool.

It's seriously contagious.

Nolan Morales
Nolan Morales

My assumption is that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil exists to illustrate that it's possible to disobey God. Just ill-advised.
That sounds more like a protection racket than spiritual guidance.

If God tells you something then you know it.
Is this attested anywhere before the fruit is eaten?

Logan Thomas
Logan Thomas

Nobody knows for sure. The bible says that there are fake jews of the synagoge of satan. Zig Forums can and will shit on this, and I say to that "whatever" but I'll just say this and you can tell me it's wrong and that's fine.

some jews believe in God
some jews believe in satan, worship money etc.

there's a divide and there's right and left jews, not to say it's not all corrupt anyway, but there be shit going on everywhere.

Henry Allen
Henry Allen

I misspoke. It's not "knowledge" but obedience. Obedience is more important than knowledge. That knowledge is valuable per se is yet another lie from the evil one. Curiosity is a virtue only under the aegis of obedience.

Salvation by knowledge is called Gnosticism. It denies the glory of God and so is a lie.

Nice. Where are you at now with things

Daniel Turner
Daniel Turner

Magic practitioner

Austin Hall
Austin Hall

That sounds more like a protection racket than spiritual guidance.
Could you sound any more Satanic?

See

Neither Jew nor Greek

Do you believe in the Son?

Cameron Rodriguez
Cameron Rodriguez

I was commenting on the archetypal/ symbolic/ mythological nature of the snake.

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Logan Sullivan
Logan Sullivan

I think you're trying really hard to evade what I'm saying.

mother and father tells their small child to not touch the stove or they will be burned
child is so young (and never touched fire before) and can't possibly know that touching it anyway is a bad thing or doing the opposite of what their parents say could have bad consequences. It's totally new to them and they have no idea that they are doing any wrong. It's the first time they ever heard the word "No" so they touch the stove, get burned, cry, and now they have knowledge of the hot and cold and yes and no so to speak. they heal up and recover fine but they know forever now that this works this way.

Jaxon Rogers
Jaxon Rogers

KEK

Elijah Walker
Elijah Walker

Yes but not in the same context that you may.

Ian Bailey
Ian Bailey

What kind of magic. Do you know any Kabbalah or Chassidus?

Brayden Anderson
Brayden Anderson

Honour thy father and thy mother is one of the Ten Commandments in the Hebrew Bible.

Oliver King
Oliver King

Yes, most of my studies have been in Kabbalah, though I don't practice Jewish mysticism today.

Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

yes but a 2 year old can't read that yet. You. Are. Missing. The. Point.

Ayden Gutierrez
Ayden Gutierrez

The notion that your religion is in any way otiginal,special,monotheistic,or in any way not refried and plagerized Sumerian,Babylonian, Egyption& Indian /Aryan religion.

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Xavier Stewart
Xavier Stewart

Ok so you know some Kabbalah and believe in the Son. Dangerous territory. I respect your constitution.

What do you do today, spiritually?

Two year olds already know to honour their parents, they don't have to read it. Adam wasn't two years old.

Grayson Kelly
Grayson Kelly

My focus right now is Hermetics

Camden Hill
Camden Hill

Adam and Eve were the first, or some of the first humans to ever exist which makes them effectively the greenest fresh bait in history for trolling of any kind and sets their aware age at less than age ZERO.

you are intentionally dodging the point.

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

Can you help me understand the difference between the Kabbalah and Hermetic "Qabalah"? E.g. What is the "Hermetic-Qabalist Tree of Life?"

Am I dodging the point, or are you

Ethan Harris
Ethan Harris

Nah, he's clearly a troll.

Cameron Myers
Cameron Myers

Sure. Kabbalah is rooted strictly in Jewish mysticism and the works of Torah, Talmud, Zohar, Sefer Yetzirah, and other fundamental scriptures. Qabalah adds Western Occultism to the mix and we find names of gods, goddesses, tarot cards, and other elements attributed to the Sephiroth. There's also Cabala which takes from the New Testament and was practiced by Medieval Christian scholars. Lastly, there's Qabbalah - a Satanic version celebrating the Qlippothic or Demonic spirits of Kabbalah.

Jace Martin
Jace Martin

"I can torture you forever for the limited amount of evil you can do on the temporal plane""Give me your mind,body & spirit now in exchange for an eternal paradise " That will scare the cattle out of their freedom & shekels.
"Crizlings believe that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity from birth because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magic tree.

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Bentley Jones
Bentley Jones

Thanks. What is the motivation to move from pure Torah to Western Occultism?

Are there any interesting results from the Cabala that you can share?

Joseph Jackson
Joseph Jackson

The perspective, generated by the interplay of an apparent observer within and and apparent phenomena without, is the only thing we have absolute knowledge of its existence.

An observer of pure awareness unfettered by the interplay with stimuli that forms the perspective out of its stirrings would be formless, unseeing but not blinded.

Truth and reality can neither exist within the pure observer nor the mere patterns which disturb its form, as these things demand the interplay between the two to exist.

By necessity truth can only exist where these things both exist, within the perspective.

But thats enough word salad

Ayden Ross
Ayden Ross

Itz in California & where ALL Abrahamic religionists get tossed after they die.

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Brayden Wilson
Brayden Wilson

Hehehehe

Brody Garcia
Brody Garcia

Western Magicians realized, at least partially, the truth of Torah, that Torah is a copy of much older Scripture. They embrace these ancient cultures, from Egypt to Iran, finding Torah inadequate for the discovery of higher truths.
Are there any interesting results from the Cabala that you can share?
Christian Cabalists claimed there was no great proof of Christ's divinity than Cabala. Using gematria they sought to prove Jesus is God in many ancient languages every letter has a number assigned and words can be represented by their numerical sum. Words containing the same values were believed mystically connected - this is gematria . For example, in Greek the numerical value of "Jesus" is 888. So is the phrase Jesus used, "I am the Life." Further, the two Names of God used in the Old Testament (El Shaddai and YHVH) each total 888.

Carter Garcia
Carter Garcia

Could you sound any more Satanic?
<Let me help you, you need my help
<Why?
<Because if you don't do what I say you're going to suffer for eternity in the place I created for people who don't do what I say

See
Bull. Genesis 3:22 clearly states that Adam and Eve's knowledge of good and evil was a direct result of their eating from the forbidden tree. When (((YHWH))) did to Adam and Eve is comparable to kicking your young child into the street for shooting themselves with the loaded gun you left in their room but told them not to touch.

Jonathan Morales
Jonathan Morales

He saved the thumbnail

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Lucas Morris
Lucas Morris

Ah I see. Do you agree that there are higher truths than Torah?

Brayden Russell
Brayden Russell

Prints shekels out of nothing- kinda the same.

Camden Adams
Camden Adams

You user. Your're dodging the point.

Ethan Sullivan
Ethan Sullivan

Bull. Genesis 3:22 clearly states that Adam and Eve's knowledge of good and evil was a direct result of their eating from the forbidden tree. When (((YHWH))) did to Adam and Eve is comparable to kicking your young child into the street for shooting themselves with the loaded gun you left in their room but told them not to touch.
I don't see where you disagreed with anything I said in

Jace Ortiz
Jace Ortiz

What is the point? Tell me.

Oliver Jones
Oliver Jones

(spooky)
Yes, absolutely.

Brody Wood
Brody Wood

what? !?!?

Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

I did. please go back and read my previous posts. I'll tell you in easier terms if you still don't understand.

Eli Johnson
Eli Johnson

Sorry. Could you still read it?

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Evan Ortiz
Evan Ortiz

If I disagreed, how could you convince me otherwise?

Obedience > knowledge

Eli Rodriguez
Eli Rodriguez

Check (spooky)

Brody Hughes
Brody Hughes

Ok I can see you're a hard headed dumb dumb incapable of critical thought and you're resorting to plugging your ears and screaming "lalalala" at this point. nice attempt at trolling.

SERIOUSLY user, HOW CAN YOU OBEY IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT OBEDIENCE IS BECAUSE YOU'RE 0 YEARS OLD AND THE FIRST HUMAN EVER? HUE HUE HUE

Carson Fisher
Carson Fisher

Well, consider a few of the major Torah themes Genesis for example. We have God creating the world, man in his image, eventually man sins, falls from grace, is cast out from the Holy Presence. We may believe those as articles faith but how do those teachings benefit you? The message is "Don't do evil" but is theological poetry really necessary for you to not murder or rape? Is the message of Genesis really so simple or are Higher Truths obscured by the letter and law? If so, what are these truths? Answering this question is why Kabbalah was created but it falls short because Torah was built on a weak foundation, again, because Torah is a copycat of older works and did not retain their original meanings.

David Cruz
David Cruz

There is no proof that whatever the fuck you believe in does exist.
There is no proof that whatever the fuck you do no believe in does not exist.

Prove me wrong faggots.

Hudson Gonzalez
Hudson Gonzalez

I'm multi-tasking so forgive the format of my response

Charles Collins
Charles Collins

jewsus

Jacob Reyes
Jacob Reyes

What you keep trying to sneak into the equation is a need for certain knowledge that isn't there. Obedience is obedience and knowledge is knowledge. What more is there to "know?"

Who is the Son?

Mason Wright
Mason Wright

dubs confrims

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

Your life could just be an artificial "neural" recording played playing out on a holographic projector within your perceived self.

The phenomena without cannot be known as real nor can the observer within be known as more than the angle the director chose to point the camera at a specific point.

Brody Gray
Brody Gray

In my life I learned that science is as much a religion as religions are a religion, and as religion in its limited perception of the universe is imperfect; therefore so is science.

science, just like religion has many different versions and subsections of people with entirely different beliefs.
religion and science both get things right
religion and science both get things wrong
science is very often wrong
religion is very often wrong
if science was 100% right all the time, we wouldn't need science to figure out how the reality around us and everything beyond functions.
if religion was 100% right all the time, we wouldn't need religion to figure out how the reality around us and everything beyond functions.
if science was 100% right all the time, we wouldn't need religion to figure out how the reality around us and everything beyond functions.
if religion was 100% right all the time, we wouldn't need science to figure out how the reality around us and everything beyond functions.
science is the religion of trying to understand the world around us.
religion is the science of trying to understand God.
religion and science are both created by human beings.
human beings are imperfect, therefor what they think and create is imperfect.

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

Lucifer just wanted to tell the truth about your lying ass, kike.
And didn't you create him in the first place to give yourself bj for being a good boy even though you the one genocided whole world with a flood?

Jewsus/Jahweh twinfaced shizophrenic BTFO.

Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis

The concept of a world-saver originates not with Israelites or Jews but Persians who followed Zoroastrianism - a monotheistic religion which predates Judaism by about 500 years. The Son idea is the Zoroastrian concept of Saoshyant, or "Messiah." Who is the Son is a question which can result in many hours of discussion and debate.

Jaxson Bell
Jaxson Bell

God communicates directly with every human being. You've been doing so your whole life, but not everybody realizes it.

When you first learn to listen, it is very easy to convince yourself (and for others to convince you) that you are insane.

It's not always a good idea to tell others what you are experiencing because they might react in very irrational ways that are harmful to your health and wellbeing. however, this is a great way to test who your real friends are. warning: you may end up alone because as it turns out, most people are shit. (most being shit based on experience. could simply be that some people just run into a lot of bad people, giving them a confused angle on what people are the most common)

there is no such thing as a random thought in your head. everything you think was meant to be thought of. yes, we all have silly or disturbing thoughts pop into our heads like this very simple and shallow example: "what If I choked on the food I'm eating right now?".

some thoughts are given to you so that you can hold them in your mind and consider them without agreeing or disagreeing with them, similarly to how ideas are handled by the most intelligent people.

some thoughts come up as miraculous ideas

some thoughts come up so that you can think "No! that's stupid, that's totally bad, lets not do that." because it can make you aware of what Not to do.

God will offer undeniable proof to you if you ask. But, and here's where it gets kind of funny… the proof is not transferable. The proof will absolutely convince you of the truth, but will not be anything that can convince others.

Once you have a personal relationship with God, that supersedes all other teachings, the bible, any type of teachers (religious/spirutual or not), and history.

you don't need to go to a church or a temple or mosque or synagogue or any other religious place to pray or be close to God.

you don't need to pray for God to know all of the things in your heart and soul, even if you won't know it for years or forgot about it.

even though God knows everything, God still likes it when you pray.

Luis Johnson
Luis Johnson

I think you're randomly word salading everything and making random points that just melt into another run on sentance for the sake of trying to appear intelligent and wise without actually saying anything at all.

Logan Price
Logan Price

Does the wandering ever get tiresome?

Benjamin Rodriguez
Benjamin Rodriguez

I'm not sneaking anything in anywhere. In order to obey you need the knowledge and instructions to know how to obey or there is a strong chance you may not know what to do or not to do. without the knowledge of what obeying even means, the chances of accidentally disobeying, even unintentionally, or unknowingly increase HUGELY.

Kayden Powell
Kayden Powell

HE IS RISEN

Tyler Clark
Tyler Clark

Not so tiresome but always lonely.

Charles Bailey
Charles Bailey

sounds way too much like JANUS the two faced mythological (false) god that looked backwards and forwards in time with two faces.

Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

In order to obey you need the knowledge and instructions to know how to obey or there is a strong chance you may not know what to do or not to do.
Instructions: Eat from the multitudes of other trees. Don't eat from this one tree.

Does this count as knowledge?

Is loneliness ever a problem for you?

Grayson Stewart
Grayson Stewart

jesus is actually literally satan. both are the morning star. the son. the SUN.

Ryan Campbell
Ryan Campbell

Our torments also may, in length of time, become our greatest elements.

Let's pretend neither Satan nor Jesus existed. Satan doesn't exist as an objective spirit somewhere in the infernal dominion and Jesus was not a historical figure. Where does that leave our concepts of Devil and Messiah?

Landon Gomez
Landon Gomez

have you ever tried to give a baby orders that complex before and then watch the baby carry out those orders specifically without any mistakes forever? I'll tell you what the baby does, because the baby is a learning computer. It goes and eats specifically from the tree you said to not eat beacause it's trying to learn how everything works. the baby has no idea this is bad, but it needs to eat from the "NO" tree to find out what "NO" means.

Isaac Perez
Isaac Perez

I'm saying truth and reality are nothing more than assumptions and that the assumptions are the only things that can be truly real.

I'm saying that the rabbit hole NEVER ends

Connor Fisher
Connor Fisher

Let's pretend neither Satan nor Jesus existed. Satan doesn't exist as an objective spirit somewhere in the infernal dominion and Jesus was not a historical figure. Where does that leave our concepts of Devil and Messiah?

Where does that leave our concepts of Devil and Messiah?
We don't need a devil figure because God controls everything, and is responsible for everything good and bad or in between that happens in any way for a greater purpose.

We don't need a messiah figure because God controls everything, and is responsible for everything good and bad or in between that happens in any way for a greater purpose. God will save everyone (from earth-hell) and then everyone will live in heaven with God because they completed the earth-hell journey.

God is all you need.

Angel Long
Angel Long

Satan is God's most powerful servant. It is reasonable, when coming up against such cosmic power (virtually infinite), to confuse the two. Listen to your heart.

Our torments also may, in length of time, become our greatest elements.
Does torment ever lead to repentance?

Adam wasn't a baby.

Dominic Reed
Dominic Reed

That the fruit from the tree of life looked tasty and supposedly possessed health benefits was as much reason to eat of it as (((YHWH)))'s admonition not to do so because Adam and Eve were incapable of knowing that disobeying (((YHWH))) was a "bad" thing to do. We're not just talking about someone with a stunted moral compass, we're talking about people who possess a complete unawareness of the very concepts of right and wrong in even the most rudimentary sense. (((YHWH))) also explicitly gives them (Genesis 1:29-30) "every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit" as well as "every green plant for food", so at the very least that's enough to muddy the waters.

Adam wasn't a baby.
Yeah, he was even more unaware.

Mason Lopez
Mason Lopez

Is repentance one of our great elements?

Cameron Wilson
Cameron Wilson

That's a really nice get there friend. assumptions are attempts at guessing the truth (often failing and causing more problems) Humans only try to make assumptions because there is a lack of truth in their environment so they have to do the best with what they have.

When we go to heaven, haven, Kingdom of God, real reality, where truth and good is the very nature of the true world- we will need not make any assumptions ever again. we will not need to guess because the truth, God - which is the only which is truly real except for the realness God permits us and blesses us with- is the only thing that is truly real.

Lincoln Wood
Lincoln Wood

Is God an intelligent force scheming behind the scenes of reality? In the end there's no proof of this but also no one will provide adequate evidence such a being does not exist. So when it comes to the reality of God we're at a stalemate. Lets pretend, like with Satan, that such a God does not objectively exist. Where does that leave our idea of God? Is it still a useful idea even if flawed or should we abandon it fully?

Tyler Lopez
Tyler Lopez

Why is having God's special knowledge of good and evil necessary for simple obedience to God?

Jonathan Perez
Jonathan Perez

I think that depends. If you show me a repentant man on Sunday I'll show you a sinner next Saturday. Repentance is word flung around too easily. It's not enough to tell a lie, feel bad, apologize, and ask God to forgive you, because without addressing the unconscious causes which turned you into a liar you will always repeat this bad behavior.

Christopher Perez
Christopher Perez

satan and jesus aren't real. they're two sides of the same fake coin and a huge distraction from just believing in God. religion is the same messy game. Just love God. that's it.

Wyatt Cooper
Wyatt Cooper

Why is having God's special knowledge of good and evil necessary for simple obedience to God?
They didn't have any knowledge of good and evil. They were moral blank slates.

Jack Nelson
Jack Nelson

When we go to heaven, haven, Kingdom of God, real reality, where truth and good is the very nature of the true world- we will need not make any assumptions ever again. we will not need to guess because the truth, God - which is the only which is truly real except for the realness God permits us and blesses us with- is the only thing that is truly real.

Maybe

Wyatt Miller
Wyatt Miller

I'm not following.

Andrew Murphy
Andrew Murphy

If you don't know what to do and someone tells you a bunch of things you never heard before, you mess up, obviously.

Nathaniel Davis
Nathaniel Davis

Sinai is proof. Miracles are proof. Resurrection is proof.

When might repentance be one of our great elements?

Just love God. that's it.
How do you know your "God" isn't Satan, as is the case with followers of Joseph Smith (Latter-day Saints)?

Why is having knowledge of good and evil necessary for simple obedience to God?

Speak for yourself.

Jeremiah Ross
Jeremiah Ross

I just want to make this clear. God didn't make a mistake with Adam and Eve, God can't make mistakes because God is perfect. the story goes the way it does because God intended it to go that way. free will is real but God created free will so God is the boss of free will. God controls free will so free will doesn't exist, except how God wants it to. You can do whatever you want, but God already knows it will happen and made it happen already.

Connor Peterson
Connor Peterson

says you

Charles Nelson
Charles Nelson

is it any human beings fault they turn into a piece of garbage if they were born into a world full of others who were already garbage? It's a miracle any of us turn out even half good in the world so cruel and broken.

Colton Morgan
Colton Morgan

God is in Heaven which exists outside of time. He doesn't "know what will happen."

Liam Morgan
Liam Morgan

God is supposed to be all-knowing and all-powerful. If God descended from the clouds right now and said
TADA! I'm God!
How would you know it's God and not just a being that can do what you can't? You might believe very strongly it's God or this reason or that, but you wouldn't really know for sure. The only way to be certain is to know that everything else in all reality is not God - only then could you say
that one thing/being is God because nothing else is!
But if you're all-knowing, having gained knowledge of all reality, then you're also naturally all-power as well, because knowledge is power. And if you have become all-knowing and all-powerful how can anyone else but you claim Godhood?

When might repentance be one of our great elements?
It depends on the wrong you commit. Sometimes, what's generally unacceptable is the best course of action. God says not to kill, but is it wrong to kill to defend your family or Nation? I'd say no, and in this case what's evil is made into a good. Repentance is a virtue when there is a fatal flaw in your own character which produces no good and has no usefulness.

True

Aiden Watson
Aiden Watson

What is a fatal character flaw?

Xavier Hernandez
Xavier Hernandez

Just love God. that's it.
How do you know your "God" isn't Satan, as is the case with followers of Joseph Smith (Latter-day Saints)?
Because satan is a made up jewish lie used to scare people and by using jewish word trickery attempt (and fail to) take power away from God (which is impossible). What the fake satanic jews in specific are implying is that if the big red man with horns can do so much evil in the world and the evil happens without God stopping this evil that then maybe God isn't all powerful, which is total bullshit of course because those satanists don't want to admit God has all the power and controls everything Good AND Bad and thus explains their desperate lie.

Easton Green
Easton Green

Speak for yourself.

God had foreknowledge and may have had impact on Eve and Adam's decision to eat the forbidden fruit.
God may have set them up to eat the forbidden fruit, just the same way Pharoah was told to release the slaves but then "hardened Pharoah's heart" so Pharoah couldn't let them go.
the fact that Eve did not know the difference between Good and Evil when she ate the forbidden fruit is very paradoxical, since She and Adam literally had no way of knowing that disobedience was a bad thing. They are technically being punished for doing evil when they specifically didn't know what evil was or that eating the forbidden fruit was wrong other than the fact that they were told not to eat it, but that goes back to the fact that they had no way of knowing that disobedience was a bad thing… The question is why? To learn? Are we meant to learn here on earth? Does this experience exist because we are supposed to learn what it is and know what is good and bad and avoid what is bad so that we may be distinctly good? it's becoming clear that everything is planned.

Connor Rogers
Connor Rogers

Why is having knowledge of good and evil necessary for simple obedience to God?
Why obey if disobedience isn't bad? Just act conveniently.

Lucas Wood
Lucas Wood

Because satan is a made up jewish lie
Stopped reading.

See . "Foreknowledge" is a temporal (worldly) concept.

God gave Adam and Eve unfathomable gifts. Not only the gift of creation, which is sufficient, but the gift of Eden, which is heavenly. Your perspective is a tiny sliver of the truth, and the tragedy of Original Sin is the reason you have ever felt suffering.

Logan Clark
Logan Clark

God is not only in heaven, and outside of time, God IS heaven and is real reality. God is the real universe. Our universe is the only one with time because our universe is a fake universe made out of limitations, time limits, money, etc.

God is eternal and the eternal is one
God is outside of time
God is outside of time and the outside of time is one
God is actually heaven
God is a being that has no end and no limits and technically also a special place that has no end and no limits

one of the translations of the shema prayer (one of the things judaism gets right) says "god is eternal and the eternal is one" the definition of eternal is "outside of time" because time is a construct of this false reality. time doesn't really exist. God is literally heaven. this reality, the one we live in now is fake. heaven is the only real reality, and since we are experiencing "not heaven" but our reality is fake, then it's the ultimate Non-contradiction because there is no real flip side to heaven. heaven simply exists, is the only real reality, is good, and is God.

heaven (real reality, also is God):
real
no bad limitation (freedom)
eternal (outside of time and lasts forever)
automatically perfect
good
home

earth universe (hell simulation):
fake
limitation (everything is such a problem)
temporary and temporal (time bound and doesn't last forever)
intentionally flawed
bad
camp/boarding school

why do you think that matrix means "womb?" why do you think apocalypse means "the lifting of the veil"? what do you think renaissance really means? "rebirth".
we are in an artificial simulation womb reality and god is lifting the veil covering the vagina and we are all going through rebirth.

Ryan Allen
Ryan Allen

Those which neither benefit your health nor the health of others.

Andrew Gutierrez
Andrew Gutierrez

That's a very disobedient thing to say.

This is a good post. I like this post.

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

What is health?

Jack Moore
Jack Moore

The natural state of the Mind.

Charles Garcia
Charles Garcia

God is in Heaven which exists outside of time. He doesn't "know what will happen."
"Foreknowledge" is a temporal (worldly) concept.
God is real reality, outside of time. God created our fake reality with time. God is not limited by time because time is a fake toy God created for us. time doesn't restrict God. God restricts and controls and commands time, which only exists in our false reality here. God is sitting from a perspective from which God can see all the events in humanity in our false reality that have ever taken place, are taking place, and ever will take place all at once. God is smarter and has more processing power than any super computer we will ever create. God is perfect and knows EVERYTHING. this is an unbreakable fact.

Noah Jenkins
Noah Jenkins

That's a very disobedient thing to say.
And you've been dodging all thread.

Thomas James
Thomas James

God is supposed to be all-knowing and all-powerful. If God descended from the clouds right now and said

TADA! I'm God!

How would you know it's God and not just a being that can do what you can't? You might believe very strongly it's God or this reason or that, but you wouldn't really know for sure. The only way to be certain is to know that everything else in all reality is not God - only then could you say

that one thing/being is God because nothing else is!

But if you're all-knowing, having gained knowledge of all reality, then you're also naturally all-power as well, because knowledge is power. And if you have become all-knowing and all-powerful how can anyone else but you claim Godhood?

Wait, are you suggesting this as if to say I was disagreeing with this and against this or just stating a fact to show me a fact? All good points, at least right now seems to make sense.

Nathaniel Jones
Nathaniel Jones

You just want to disobey God. That's ok, God sent his only Son to forgive disobedience and undo the works of the Devil.

I agree with what you are saying.

Camden Hughes
Camden Hughes

What is your natural state of the Mind?

Samuel Moore
Samuel Moore

12434076
Absolutely.

Just trying to show the belief in an objective God ultimately results in a contradiction, and until reached, glorified guess-work and self-delusion sustains faith.

Oneness and duality in mix. The Mind is like scales on the Serpent: from a distance they're un-noticable and seem part of one body, but upon closer inspection we see the many different scales each working in harmony yet separately.

Cameron Lee
Cameron Lee

How is Jesus' story valid when it's similar to Zoroaster and Horus…

Isaac Perry
Isaac Perry

good example: liberals, globalists, sjw, democrat, etc. all love to brainwash and spread propaganda to everyone "DO NOT HATE" "HATING IS WRONG" but to them hate also means "disagreeing" so if you disagree with them, you are "hating" them. what they foolishly fail to mention in school is that hate has directions, and hate has reasons. If you are good and you see evil and you hate it, because it is evil, that is more proof that you are good. It is completely natural for that which is good to hate that which is evil. What you hate, and WHY defines who you are and what you are. (((They))) don't want anyone to know this. Nobody that hates has to go and commit any crime, because that would be a crime and totally stupid, but all who are good should be of the non-violent opinion that it is GOOD to hate EVIL. It is NATURAL.

Brandon Bennett
Brandon Bennett

You just want to disobey God. That's ok, God sent his only Son to forgive disobedience and undo the works of the Devil.
Answer my assertions about the relationship of obedience and morality (especially as relevant to the fall) instead of wriggling away while acting like butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

Jordan Perez
Jordan Perez

Interesting perspective.

Liam Carter
Liam Carter

I lost faith in the Jew god because he commanded genital mutilation.

Hudson Murphy
Hudson Murphy

convenience is based on perceived value in some things or actions vs other things and other actions. or anything really. Value is based on ideas and information. If you have no knowledge, you don't know what's easier or more difficult, more convenient or less convenient for yourself or others. Which is why ignorant people come off as assholes in public. that driver that cut you off doesn't get in his stupid stupid head that he inconvenienced you by cutting you off in traffic because he is an unwise fool who never learned any better. Understand?

Liam Jenkins
Liam Jenkins

Just trying to show the belief in an objective God ultimately results in a contradiction
Can you sum up the contradiction in one or two sentences for me?

Oneness and duality in mix.
Might this have anything to do with Jesus versus Satan, and Jesus conquering Satan?

Brody Morales
Brody Morales

Because satan is a made up jewish lie
Stopped reading.
Why? care to debate me on it? Unless you're afraid I'll change your mind. You might realize a truth you didn't know before. there are chains around your soul you have no idea about. fears set in place to keep you ignorant forever.

Jordan Robinson
Jordan Robinson

The only way to be certain is to know that everything else in all reality is not God - only then could you say

that one thing/being is God because nothing else is!

But if you're all-knowing, having gained knowledge of all reality, then you're also naturally all-power as well, because knowledge is power. And if you have become all-knowing and all-powerful how can anyone else but you claim Godhood?
Jesus versus Satan, and Jesus conquering Satan?
Is God at war with his own Creation? This would imply not all things are in his Power. Is the battle fabricated?

Ryan Hall
Ryan Hall

You here today have associations between knowledge, morality, and obedience that don't apply to Eden. Obedience is a very simple concept, and it doesn't have to do with your Epistemology or Moral Philosophy class at college. Honour your parents.

The Spirit of truth simply doesn't tolerate such a blatant lie. I'm sorry. It's like denying one's left hand.

Isaac Gray
Isaac Gray

This is the apotheosis of vile jewish degeneracy.

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Blake Nelson
Blake Nelson

Are we talking about belief/faith or certainty?

Is God at war with his own Creation? This would imply not all things are in his Power. Is the battle fabricated?
Basic Christianity. God permits Satan his "kingdom" as a means to glorify Himself.

Parker Cruz
Parker Cruz

that's such a vague thing to say. such an easy answer for such a complicated question.

I could name thousands of character flaws, and not any one of them would be the official answer because so many of them count just as much as any other.

You want to know another one that has nothing to do with health? someone who eats healthy but gambles like crazy for no reason. they eat their oats and blueberries and are healthy as can be, but blow all their money in the (((Casino)))

baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.
Seriously now, Health can be defined as anything anyone can percieve as a state of wellbeing. if you mean physical health, it becomes very literal and specific and there are medical guidelines. if you mean spiritual health, the possible meanings go into infinity and that is depending on what makes every different individual happy and comofortable etc.

and what's "THE" or "a" natural state of mind for example?

Cameron Cook
Cameron Cook

why do you think they just want to disobey God? curious

Connor Stewart
Connor Stewart

How convenient that when asked which way to go, he says: My way.
How convenient when asked what the truth is, he says, "I am the truth."

But the wise will question: What even is truth?

But it is a question you only ask when surrounded by cultist lies.

Jayden Gonzalez
Jayden Gonzalez

That's the thing about God and our universe. God is the perfect reality, and God created this imperfect fake/false reality for us to be in. For us as imperfect human beings inside an imperfect world/looking glass we are looking outwards and trying to perceive perfection from within a dirty bubble. everything looks like a contradiction to us because our perspective is limited. Remember the movie "inception"? when they created the fake dream worlds they had to create paradoxical hallways and stairs to tie the ends of the dream off so people wouldn't walk off the edge of the world. Our world is similar.

Asher Hill
Asher Hill

Certainty in this context.
God permits Satan his "kingdom" as a means to glorify Himself.
Then God is not at real war with Satan. I say only man can war with Satan because God, all-powerful and all-knowing, can not be opposed. If we consider this then we may apply the concept of "God" not merely with an unfathomable being we can't relate to but also ourselves.

Would you like to name a few?
and what's "THE" or "a" natural state of mind for example?
The Mind at rest, un-moved by outside influence.

Julian Baker
Julian Baker

God will offer undeniable proof to you if you ask.

I asked "god" to punch your face if you are wrong.
I asked "god" to punch my face if you are not wrong.

What do you think will happen?

Jack Morris
Jack Morris

nobody posts this yet
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/177776084/#177777777
d&c thread.

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Wyatt Taylor
Wyatt Taylor

The impulse to excuse Original Sin on the grounds that "we had to sin in order to realize our true potential" is the serpent rearing its ugly head again. Gnostic theology – salvation by knowledge – is a lie told by the evil one.

But the wise will question: What even is truth?
Jesus.

Here on Earth today, it possible to have certainty of God and not be God? If you're looking for certainty, are you not trying your hand at godhood? It's a valid cause. I've done it myself. I can tell you about it, if you're curious.

Then God is not at real war with Satan.
The war was definitively won, if that's what you mean.

Jayden Sanders
Jayden Sanders

if. IF. if- God wants you to know that God is God, you will know. if God doesn't want you to know, you wont know.

God is not at war with anything, God controls everything. everything is fabricated, and part of the holy plan of God.

Anthony Davis
Anthony Davis

This thread is better.

Brody Howard
Brody Howard

pollmill.com/f/what-is-the-size-of-brandy-dahl-s-nipple-378uhfy

Sebastian Robinson
Sebastian Robinson

Nothing will happen because there is no god.

It is man alone who reigns upon the earth. it is harsh, and it is brutal, but we are smart, and we are strong.

Thus it is up to you to punch sense into the cultist, such that he regains composure of himself and joins us as men. Mere mortal men, yes, but at least we are brave and honest men.

Blake Brooks
Blake Brooks

The war was definitively won, if that's what you mean.
I mean it's impossible to war with God. It's not within the realm of possibility to oppose an all-knowing and all-powerful God because even the "opposition" would have been destined by God himself, having all things in his Power. The only way warring with Satan works is in the context of man as gods battling his own flawed character.

Ryder Ramirez
Ryder Ramirez

Ok, then help me understand so that I may not be decieved. Why do you believe satan is real?

Christopher Lopez
Christopher Lopez

Right. And Adam and Eve did not have the capacity to make value judgements until after the fall. That's been my point.

Critical thinking doesn't apply to things I refuse to apply it to

Joshua Russell
Joshua Russell

Then God is not at real war with Satan. I say only man can war with Satan because God, all-powerful and all-knowing, can not be opposed. If we consider this then we may apply the concept of "God" not merely with an unfathomable being we can't relate to but also ourselves.

I would go a step further and say that some religious people a long time ago made up satan because they couldn't grasp and accept the fact that God controls everything including both the good and bad things that happen in their lives. Their lack of faith in the power of God led them to create a false God to act as a scape goat to carry all the things which they couldn't handle God being responsible for.

Luke Rodriguez
Luke Rodriguez

and what's "THE" or "a" natural state of mind for example?
The Mind at rest, un-moved by outside influence.
But a mind at rest un-moved by outside influence is a mind not influenced by God. It is a mind devoid of and lacking God. It is a soulless godless mind.

Robert Johnson
Robert Johnson

Hahah you're full of shit, kiddo. You think you know enough about god and the grandest truths of reality to dare speak to us like equals? Or even… that you think you're better than us?

You think you know some enlightened truth, eh? Well, that's funny because the same "truth" just happens to share the same god with both Islam and Judaism. How do I know? They all start in Eden, with the same fucking talking snake. But snakes don't talk, do they now? No, they don't, not for real. But I bet they do in fictional ancient mythology.

Hahaha, primitive fucking mythology. You're a real joker, kid.

And if it's metaphor… well, then it's metaphor, and I betcha that spoils the whole truthy part of it, eh kid?

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

What do you think will happen?
Anything God wants to happen. I get the feeling you're approaching it a little funny and God may not bite for that example. I could be wrong of course and one of us gets hit with a ghost fist or something kek, but I don't typically see these types of "test examples" "cmon God- DO IT JUST DO IT" type of things ever really go anywhere. It's not the style of God.

Christopher White
Christopher White

Possibly. According to Christian theology man may choose to sin and condemn himself. It would seem man, in a fallen State – having an unhealthy mind – is the Satan because no other Devil may exist.

mind not influenced by God
God is all things natural and Mind is God. It's the Mind that moves and is swayed by this or that which, eventually, becomes removed from God. The moved Mind is an emptying of God.

Carson Brooks
Carson Brooks

Satan warred with God, not the other way around, so clearly he did think it was possible. What you are doing is trivializing Satan. He is only slightly less powerful than God, a true cosmic power.

The Spirit tells me every second of the day.

Think critically, but realize your limitations of perspective. You don't really understand Eden. You think you do. You think Original Sin was like you buying a pack of cigarettes.

Jason Evans
Jason Evans

ITT I convince you that He is the way, the truth, and the life.
I'm really sorry they mutilated you when you were a helpless little infant.

Andrew White
Andrew White

The impulse to excuse Original Sin on the grounds that "we had to sin in order to realize our true potential" is the serpent rearing its ugly head again. Gnostic theology – salvation by knowledge – is a lie told by the evil one.

We didn't have to sin, and what we did wasn't exactly technically really a sin because
we didn't know we were doing it
God literally made us do it because it sent us on an amazing journey (human history)
(his story) which has a higher purpose in the holy plan of God.

Brandon Morales
Brandon Morales

Yet another cop-out.

Levi Rodriguez
Levi Rodriguez

Then God is not at real war with Satan.
The war was definitively won, if that's what you mean.
There was no war because if there had been a war and the war had been won, the world wouldn't be such a hell hole right now.

hillary walks the earth
abortions
HIV
parasites
rape
this is hell plain and simple. If there was a war fought against evil and good won, then there would be no more evil, but we are surrounded by evil. I'm not suggesting god lost because that's stupid and impossible, I'm saying God is the only real God and controls everything. Everything that's happening, no matter how painful (God help us) is all according to the plan of God.

Gavin Morgan
Gavin Morgan

once a traitor is always a traitor. you don't trust satanic cult members and you don't let them become your brothers. saying there is only man is as if saying that man is god, which is false because if man was god then we would not have the problems on earth we see today for surely with all our power we would have ended all of the problems. we lack that power because we are not God, the world is hell, simple proof and simple logic, simple truth.

Brody Smith
Brody Smith

God isn't flawed and would never design something that would cause a problem that God could not solve, and even if God did, God would solve that problem anyway. There's no war.

Yes there is good and evil and a war in humanity of these features, but God is totally fine.

God creates the immovable rock and then moves it anyway.

Andrew Peterson
Andrew Peterson

Ok. Where we find common ground is that God always has a plan, in particular a contingency plan for post-Fall man that is possibly even greater than if Adam and Eve had stayed in Eden. Watch this starting at 3:20.

youtu.be/F–v7KMpDYY

That still doesn't make Original Sin right, good, or "necessary" from the perspective of Adam or Eve. From our perspective though, we can look back, and experience gladness.

Truce?

The Kingdom is not of this world. That being said, the times are coming when all of Earth will be Eden again. Wait and watch.

Andrew Cox
Andrew Cox

Right. And Adam and Eve did not have the capacity to make value judgements until after the fall. That's been my point.

the fall when they left the garden of eden? Yes and?
takes my point while disagreeing with me and says it back to me to prove me wrong somehow while simultaneously agreeing with me

what….? ????????

Luis Smith
Luis Smith

Agreed. The problem of Satan is a human problem, not a God problem. It's man who will either achieve victory or meet with defeat.

Elijah Ortiz
Elijah Ortiz

quotes the word "philosophies"
immediately misspells the word

Jackson Young
Jackson Young

2 years lurking is an absolute minimum for newcomers. after 2 years you might have something worthy of posting.

Jeremiah Foster
Jeremiah Foster

You're late to the party 000000

Alexander Green
Alexander Green

interesting perspectives

Angel Myers
Angel Myers

I accidentally replied to this by quoting the wrong post. See

Satan warred with God, not the other way around, so clearly he did think it was possible. What you are doing is trivializing Satan. He is only slightly less powerful than God, a true cosmic power.

Bentley Ross
Bentley Ross

How long do you think I've been around? Try reading my thread.

+++

Thomas Thomas
Thomas Thomas

satan is fear based negative reinforcement propaganda designed to keep your scared and confused forever.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

and the greatest trick the devil false idol worshipper globalist cucks ever pulled was making up shit like that, so that non-devil worshippers will automatically have a knee jerk response and go "oh no! I've been fooled, I must now believe in the existance of the devil so that I'm not tricked by it!" and by doing so are automatically fooled into commiting false idol worship by giving the existance of a false being that doesn't exist credit at all in the first place.

the path to hell is paved with good intentions
so what may I ask is the path to heaven paved with? bad intentions?

Connor James
Connor James

Is all things in God's power?

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

God creates and sustains the universe at every moment ex nihilo with His thoughts.

Carter Moore
Carter Moore

"satan is fear based negative reinforcement propaganda designed to keep your scared and confused forever." - Satan

Colton Ross
Colton Ross

If all things are in God's power how can anything oppose God?

Cameron Ramirez
Cameron Ramirez

How can you oppose God?

Brody Peterson
Brody Peterson

video is 404'd.
I can't say truce if I'm not sure we were arguing or just philosophically sparring.

The Kingdom is not of this world. That being said, the times are coming when all of Earth will be Eden again. Wait and watch.
it is a very dangerous delusion to assume the imperfect false world will become like heaven, as if to become like god, which is for this world to become (again) a giant false idol (as it already is) we will not stay here, but join God.

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

What do you think will happen?

Anything God wants to happen.

But I asked for something specific not whatever he wants to happen. If it does not do what I asked, how can it offer me undeniable proof?

Ian Taylor
Ian Taylor

there is no satan, people are just shit m8

Ayden Ortiz
Ayden Ortiz

Sorry for the bad link.

youtube.com/watch?v=F–v7KMpDYY

I want to reach mutual understanding.

The whole of Earth will be Eden again when the Lord says it.

Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

you can't

Cameron Myers
Cameron Myers

" "satan is fear based negative reinforcement propaganda designed to keep your scared and confused forever." - Satan" - Satanic cultist who desperately wants everyone to believe their false god is real

Carter Gonzalez
Carter Gonzalez

++++++++++++++++

Gabriel Sanchez
Gabriel Sanchez

what are these things? bonus points? like banana in donkey king?

Kayden Richardson
Kayden Richardson

" " "satan is fear based negative reinforcement propaganda designed to keep your scared and confused forever." - Satan" - Satanic cultist who desperately wants everyone to believe their false god is real" - Hillary Clinton

Jose Smith
Jose Smith

Yeah

Alexander King
Alexander King

Also plus signs signifying my agreement, also crosses like what God was killed on.

Juan Wilson
Juan Wilson

If all things are done by his Will I can not.

prbly

Agreed

Jack Davis
Jack Davis

What is God's will for you user?

Levi Mitchell
Levi Mitchell

God is funny like that, God isn't just going to punch you or me in the face with invisible karate fist just because you want it to be proven to you in that exact way.

check out this thread, I copy pasted a lot of the content I talked about here from there because it outlines what I'm trying to say.

desuarchive.org/fringe/thread/120566/

Lucas Reyes
Lucas Reyes

The same as for everything else: raising all to His level.

John Flores
John Flores

Is that like the Beatific Vision?

Nathan Adams
Nathan Adams

Exactly. Jesus asked for friends, not grovelling worshipers.

Justin Brown
Justin Brown

Thanks for being my friend.

Thomas Brown
Thomas Brown

You too =]

Justin Wood
Justin Wood

every time I try to open that link (copypaste) it just redirects to youtube.com over and over.

The whole of Earth will be Eden again when the Lord says it.
what's the point if heaven is better?

Lincoln Allen
Lincoln Allen

See you around then?

Strange. Must be Satan's last ditch effort at keeping you from understanding what really happened in Eden.

Superbook The Fall of Man L3
3:20 is the part I specifically wanted to convey.

Christopher Gomez
Christopher Gomez

crosses like what God was killed on.
you really think God would turn into an imperfect human being and then just walk over and let some other imperfect human beings nail him to a cross and literally kill him, GOD…

cmon man

Ryan Hughes
Ryan Hughes

Eventually

Julian Harris
Julian Harris

I don't believe we will ever be at the level of God because then we would be god and god wouldn't be god anymore. I think this reeks of liberal college indoctrination classes on equality. Any perfection granted to us by God is a blessing but God will always be the MOST perfect.

Asher Lewis
Asher Lewis

Yeah.

Tell me your name so that I can know you when I see you? I will be glad to see your name written in the Book of Life. My name is Alec.

Daniel James
Daniel James

the lonely god meme

Jacob Sanchez
Jacob Sanchez

It gives undeniable proof by no giving undeniable proof. Very funny indeed 9.9

Jason Butler
Jason Butler

Was Jesus a Jew?
What is the message relating to Jews on Zig Forums?
How did Jesus (((convince))) people that his message was the shiet?
Are the joos good at theatrics?
Who is jooing who?

Jeremiah White
Jeremiah White

supernatural kids channel?

Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

everybody is jewing everybody, as hard as possible, in the butt hole.

Brayden James
Brayden James

are we playing Go Fish OP

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Landon Walker
Landon Walker

Thanks user

I am Jew, you are Jew, Jew are Jew, Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew

Truth wants to be free.

Nicholas Hughes
Nicholas Hughes

Funny screenshot btw

Leo Hernandez
Leo Hernandez

That's amazing. God working full circle right there.

Xavier Clark
Xavier Clark

Moarpheus

Austin Turner
Austin Turner

We can work with that.

Caleb Robinson
Caleb Robinson

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Jack Davis
Jack Davis

Nice to meet you, Alec

Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

The pleasure is all…. MINE. ;)

Landon Wilson
Landon Wilson

The pleasure is all…. MINE. ;) muahuahuahuahau HUA HUA HUA HAU HUA HUAHAUAHUAHAUA!!!!!!!!!!!!! MWWAAHUHAUAHUAHAUAHUA!!!!

Liam Allen
Liam Allen

lel

Alexander Richardson
Alexander Richardson

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Henry Wilson
Henry Wilson

Don't play with magic kids. Kabbalah is the art of finding connections that don't exist.

Samuel Watson
Samuel Watson

this was a nice thread

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

mother and father tells their small child to not touch the stove or they will be burned.
Implies that the mother and father/ God is aware of the dangers associated with the stove/tree.
Since in this instance you cannot compare a hot stove with knowledge then your key point here is danger.
Why then is knowledge dangerous for Adam and Eve in God's eyes?

Jaxson Davis
Jaxson Davis

obligatory reminder of Rev 2:9

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Jacob Wilson
Jacob Wilson

We would like to take a moment to speak on this. Only a Remnant of biological Israel will be saved, it's true.

But only a son living in fallen Jerusalem fears the King.

Nicholas Perez
Nicholas Perez

youtube.com/watch?v=DPch_o2CpTg

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Nathaniel Parker
Nathaniel Parker

Russian orthodox angelic song (yoUtUbe book 5 verse 37)

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Bentley Taylor
Bentley Taylor

I learned the hard way, that the truths in Bible are evident by a guidance of Holy Spirit and you can only get to the Father thru Son, which (sort of) means that you need to first understand the New to get the meaning of Old. The Occult way is very tempting, because Satan is able to blind our hearts and minds, ultimately it will always lead to a tragedy unless we wake up to it.

I was raised in a not too religious Catholic family, but I went thru a lot of different worldviews. I didn't see too many reasons why I should believe, but I understood, that a notion of Higher Power can never be a nonsense, in spite of any amount of atheist propaganda I received.

Occult "inspired truths" I had to mostly throw away, it's all manipulation. I think it's really a wonder I managed to heal from most of the damage from those deranged ideas but it wasn't before I finally restored a communion with the Church in sacraments.

Don't worry, for God there's nothing impossible. There's nothing that will make Him happy more than a lost sheep returning home.

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

You're welcome.

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

Don't gain knowledge that gives you power goy, power is evil, accept rabbi Jeshohua as your master and marry godly niggers so you are "rewarded" once you die

Christianity is the ultimate form of defeatism and the original SJW movement.

* throws you to the lions.

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

Who defeats us?

Cooper Sanchez
Cooper Sanchez

For the record, anyone peddling the "Satan doesn't literally exist" lie is spitting on the cross.

Aiden Ramirez
Aiden Ramirez

doesn't even know that Lucifer isn't a synonym for Satan but the name of a Babylonian king that's mentioned exactly once in the bible

Christcucks gets the rope

Charles Taylor
Charles Taylor

Better than a cross.

Dominic Parker
Dominic Parker

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Ryder Barnes
Ryder Barnes

Q: Who would Jesus stab in the back?
A: Nobody.

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Gabriel Martin
Gabriel Martin

Is Jesus the one saying the caption?

Daniel Peterson
Daniel Peterson

This isn't correct. I was reading the Old Testament recently and he was referred to as the Fallen Morning Star, it stuck out in my mind because I believe he is also referred to as a fallen star in Revelations or somewhere in the New Testament. The light that fell, the light/sun that was snuffed out. Kinda convenient Allah was the name of a pagan moon god? Other people had to have made this connection between the fallen angel Lucifer and the pagan moon god allah. I mean does no one wonder about the crescent moon and its prevalence in Arabic society or the ancient Roman writings which confirm this?
TFW Kikes are the Synagogue of Satan, and Arabic Muslims are their Luciferian worshiping cousins.

Anyway I said this in another thread a few minutes ago. I pray for all of you guys. Most of you are people on the right path who value truth in this world. So I hope you look into Christianity fairly, and don't hold a grudge against it because of the corrupt church, or your parents, or bad experiences when you were little. Examine Jesus' words and the words of some of the early Christian apologists and tell me these people weren't saying wisdom and truth that are extremely relevant to the Soddom and Gommorah we find ourselves in today.

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Jose Gutierrez
Jose Gutierrez

The picture doesn't make sense either way. Jesus should've been portrayed as the one with the knife in the back. He was figuratively stabbed in the back by the coin-operated kike Judas, whom he trusted.

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Cooper Perry
Cooper Perry

He's not so wrong, in a way God.law is a diabolically evil-ass "method."

Matthew Perry
Matthew Perry

Fuck me, Zig Forums turned into 4chan /b/.
Congratulation Jim. God bless the USA.

Landon Hill
Landon Hill

I wanted to add I also remember Jesus giving a parable about a shepherd and how the devil is a one eyed shepherd who puts out the eye of those who follow him as he leads them off a cliff. The idea of the third eye/ a spiritual eye that discerns metaphysical truth, and how the devil only has one eye from which light shines reminds me of RA as well, and the illuminati symbolism used on the back of our currency.
TFW Evil has always existed and symbolism is how it cloaks itself, and the signs are there for people looking for them

Logan Hughes
Logan Hughes

Yes, Muhammad was under the control of powerful demons.

I was jk.

Brody Roberts
Brody Roberts

Watch(((tower)))

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Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

Probably this.

Sebastian Turner
Sebastian Turner

Heh I was just talking with a /Christian friend of mine a few days ago and the EU building and the fact that it was modeled after depictions of the Tower of Babel came up. I think I've redpilled him on a lot of political related issues. He's a good guy.

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Chase Edwards
Chase Edwards

The darkened eye is a metaphor for the shattered connection to god. The fallen ones do not want to see the light of god or his works and do not wish to receive his wisdom. Just look at all these atheist critters in here who recoil like vampires when they see someone godly.

Jackson Gray
Jackson Gray

Don't they also think J = angel?

Samuel Ortiz
Samuel Ortiz

Who in here is Godly?

Brayden Cook
Brayden Cook

That's the tower, user. Watchtower literature is a poison pill to get christians ridiculous masonic lies, like the existance of dinosaurs.
Kindling, that's all the watchtower literature is good for.

Leo Clark
Leo Clark

Who told you there are no dinosaurs in Eden?

Kayden Campbell
Kayden Campbell

This thread is personally endorsed by PV1, PV6, and Codemonkey..

Matthew Adams
Matthew Adams

The tower itself is a masonic symbol, as in their eyes a tower would be the culmination of the cumulative work of stonemasons all acting according to a fixed design and establishing order on the world, representing the dominion of reason over the earth, observing and looking down on it from above. It is no wonder that Goethe (a mason himself) referred to freemasons as the Tower Society in Wilhelm Meister. Some excerpts:
"Finally he determined to ask Jarno for the scroll of his years of apprenticeship from the tower; the latter said: 'It is just the right time,' and Wilhelm received it." [v.3, p. 74.]
Wilhelm exclaimed. 'Lothario comes with his assistants, and it would be remarkable if those secret powers of the Tower that are always so busy were not to work on us now and fulfil with and on us some strange purpose or other.' [v. 3, p. 108.]
Jarno details the plan: 'At the present time it is by no means advisable to have possessions at only one locality and to entrust one’s money in only one place, on the other hand it is difficult to supervise what is going on in different locations; we have therefore thought out something different; a society is to radiate out from our old tower and to spread out into all parts of the world, and people will be able to join it from every part of the world.' [v. 3, p. 121.]

Lincoln Hall
Lincoln Hall

OP sorry but you are wrong. Thor and Zeus came to my room last night and told me that Jesus is a fraud.

Joshua Morales
Joshua Morales

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Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

The notion that your religion is in any way otiginal,special,monotheistic,or in any way not refried and plagerized Sumerian,Babylonian, Egyption& Indian /Aryan religion.

Jordan Cooper
Jordan Cooper

God IS heaven and is real reality. God is the real universe.
If you don't believe in the Bible, then you're not a Christian. What you've stated in your comment is not supported biblically and is heresy. Repent.

David Allen
David Allen

How is Jesus' story valid when it's similar to Zoroaster and Horus…
See:

Gavin Collins
Gavin Collins

Beautiful music. God bless you.

Christian Jenkins
Christian Jenkins

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Justin Ramirez
Justin Ramirez

Even if a Christian did believe the Bible they would likely be following a Satanic Scofield copy of the Bible which is the same as betraying God and Jesus.

Liam Thomas
Liam Thomas

Did Adam not already have those?
Yes, Adam and Eve already had those. What they didn't have was children. Do you think that they would have had children in Eden? You are mistaken or you don't understand the principles involved. What exactly do you all think this whole thing was about? :)

Do you think that it is a 'small thing' that Jesus says that whoever slanders the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this Age or the next? That is a long 'wait' to be forgiven.

Gen 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Rev 12:1-2
1. And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed in the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and crying out in the pain and agony of giving birth.

Who is she giving birth too? The children they both desired more than life…shheeesh
LMAO…what is being 'given birth to' in these passages? The Sons of God. This could not have happened in Eden. Now we see who is worthy of the title…who has Honor, Ethics, Understands Duty, Morality, Service, Charity, Justice, Mercy and knows Righteousness *…not after the corrupted fashion that you have been taught/misled to believe was 'proper' so that you would not be born at all. But real test of character to see who was going to 'be caught up to God as the Sons of God.'

Time to put down the 'books' and start really challenging all those 'preconceived notions'.

*not the 'biblical righteousness of someone like Lot' who was a massive coward and wanted to throw his two tiny daughters to a rape mob, but someone who would have grabbed a sword, armed his guests and put himself before them as protection and fought to his last breath to keep them from the hands of homosexual rapists. It will be interesting to see who can 'shed their toxic programming' and do what is Righteous before God. Also, 'righteous Lot' then proceeded to have incestual relations with the same two daughters he was planning on throwing to the 'homosexual rape mob'. God, I hate fags and disgustingly cowardly immoral people like 'righteous Lot'.

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Tyler Harris
Tyler Harris

Haven't heard of them.

You're welcome. God bless

Michael Hill
Michael Hill

For you, who still doesn't believe…

The Original Audio Of Emily Rose Exorcism (the real one) and Pictures Of It (Anneliese Michel )
youtube.com/watch?v=opX_u9v46eg

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Aiden Brooks
Aiden Brooks

Baby's first philosophy.

Brayden Fisher
Brayden Fisher

We were babies once.

Zachary Campbell
Zachary Campbell

tl;dr The Old Testament is newer than the New one & the New Testament is older than the Old one.

Things Satan doesn't want you to know

Samuel Lewis
Samuel Lewis

TLDR The Old Testament is only still unfolding and the New Testament hasn't even happened yet.

Godly time warp. Things Satan doesn't want you to know how to do.

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Jaxon Sanchez
Jaxon Sanchez

What is Israel?

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Luis Adams
Luis Adams

What do you mean godly time warp I have heard of something similar before, there is a historian (I think he is Russian) who says that he can date events by the stars and that the timeline is wrong/messed up.

Leo Jenkins
Leo Jenkins

Reminder: the bible is a jewish book. Reminder: jewish fairy tales, or warped copies of other middle eastern people's fairy tales.
Everything "christian" comes from either A. the JEWISH old testament or B. the JEWISH new testament (yes, most of the characters in the new testament, including the "narrators," were jewish). The followers of Jesus were mostly rebellious JEWS who were rejecting the power of the rabbis.
Christianity is not White, and it is not "the truth." It is just another hostile foreign creed that teaches "surrender and be good little goyi, erh, "sheep of god."
According to the vast majority of interpretations of the Bible, Christianity is a universalist religion that specifically opposes Nationalism. It teaches that "all are one under Jesus." Thus opposing racemixing (between Christians) would be "worshiping the body" or some bullshit.
Christianity will do NOTHING to stop White genocide.
The universe that we live in is order emerging from chaos.
There is no plan, except the plans made by thinking beings such as intelligent humans.
There is no "magic sky daddy" who is going to save us if things get shitty enough. Thinking along those lines is a large part of why things are becoming so bad.
Comic book logic.
"Muh jewish booooook!!!!!" "Muh jewish fairy taaaaaales!!!"
90% of the posts in this thread.
Checked and heil'd.
Of course. National Socialism, for example.
Indeed, pretty much any intelligent White man with an interest in philosophy has figured out more higher truth than is contained in that jewish book.
It is built on tribal mysticism. "Muh magic sky spirit made the world and is the stronger than any other tribe's magic sky spirit!!!!!!!"
Reasonable assumptions must be made.
Science TRIES to find the truth via experimentation, observation, and the logical formulation of conclusions based on evidence, then encourages discussion and alternative hypothesis.
Religion simply makes shit up, then discourages discussion that threaten the underlying assumptions of the religious "storyline." Also, schizophrenia and "magic voices."
All forms of abrahamism are poisonous kikery.
Including any form of satanism/ luciferianism.
Also, none of them are White.
Having complex internal thoughts does not mean that the jewish "god" is talking to you.
Indeed, even if some sort of mysterious external intelligence was communicating with you, that would not necessarily equate to "an all powerful creator god."
On the ashpile of history where they belong.
Mankind must save ourselves, or fall to ruin ourselves.
Good little mind slave.
"Listen to your heart"
Exactly.
Reject all forms of abrahamism.
There we go. "The real world is after you are dead, so just pray and give up good little goy"
This is perhaps the central poison of christianity.
Slave religion.
Just love your Volk and work towards securing their future.
Sinai: jewish fairy tale
Miracles: made up, confirmation bias, or caused by things we don't understand (just like how our ancestors thought lightning was magic)
Resurrection: probably made up
Naval gazing retardation
This is simply made up. You understand that right? You are talking out of your ass.
Morality flows from logic, reason, practicality, philosophy, and empathy Not a magic sky spirit. Not a jewish book.
Made up. Comic book logic.
Jewish book.
Nothing happens for a reason. There is no plan. The world exists due to order emerging from chaos. It exists due to randomness, physics, genetics, and, recently, intelligence.
Humans are just smart animals. Our rise to being better smart animals, or our fall back to dumber and more savage smart animals is on us, and only us.
"TRUST THE PLAN!!!!!!"
(citation needed)
This, but things could be much better than this through Volkism and eugenics.
"magic sky daddy will fix it"
Look at every (formerly) White country.
Christianity is HEAVILY INVOLVED in enabling White genocide.
Doesn't believe that dinosaurs existed.
Just ignore all evidence, eh? Believe in 3000 year old fairy tales, but reject scientific study outright.
Hmmmmm……
Also, all forms of abrahamism are poison, including freemasonry.

Josiah Garcia
Josiah Garcia

"Listen to your heart"

Exactly.

Reject all forms of abrahamism.
What about Abraham goes against your heart? He wasn't Jewish

Oliver Gonzalez
Oliver Gonzalez

Check out my other thread here

Ayden Reyes
Ayden Reyes

Check out my other thread here >>12445989

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Xavier Green
Xavier Green

It's been deleted by "The Alacrity Demon." Must've been onto something.

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