ITT I convince you that He is the way, the truth, and the life

ITT I convince you that He is the way, the truth, and the life.

Lucifer BTFO

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First for being smart enough to realize that OP is a faggot trying to make Christians look bad.

Is that what I'm doing. Didn't know. Thought I was saving souls.

"Lucifer BTFO" sounds like some "How do you do fellow kids" shit. No way have you any sincere intentions.

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Not my intention. Satan = blown the fuck out. Better?

If that truly is your intention, lurk 2 more years before posting again. If that isn't your intention and you're trolling, lurk 2 more years before posting again.

You sound like a faggot. You give bo evidence that Saton isn’t in fact actually winning this war.

FFS the Jews literally own everything and everyone already.

You don't do anything. The Lord is who saves.

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Why

Don't need to. A resurrection already happened


NOW you sound Jewish.

If God is omnipotent, why doesn't he create a world that's perfect for everyone?

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Who said he doesn't? Satan?


cool

The one that happened 2000+ years ago. Too bad npbody actually paid attention to his teachings and we’ve fucked over the world.

I’m just waiting for revelations to play out.

So you do believe

How can jewish mythological socialism save my soul?

*Revelation

I can look out my window and see the world's not perfect. Why doesn't God make it perfect?

Who told you the truth was Jewish mythological socialism?


He does. You just buy lies.

You sound like you don't understand scripture. It is the Holy Spirit that moves on a person. You may sow but He will reap.

Why did the judean cult steal the claim that emperor Vespacion could heal the blind? Why is emperor neros name in greek "666" after ran through kabbalah?

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>worshipping (((YHWH)))
Zig Forums raid thread btw.

Is the Spirit not moving & reaping here, now?


Never trust a "Kabbalist."

The answer I usually get is
If God is truly omnipotent, he could change logic such that humans have free will and a perfect world

Didn't even know that board existed. No raid.

Why don't you try responding to the OP instead

Realistically you haven’t put forth any arguments. Let alone a convincing one, like you said in the OP

The argument is the resurrection and the Bible

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Because you said the world is perfect, which it is very clearly not. You contradicted yourself
If Satan is lying to me, the world is not perfect

It's coming. The days are coming when the whole world will be Eden again

Reminder that the majority of Christians are anti-Christ. Every time they open their stupid (((YHWH)))-worshipping mouths, they disgrace Jesus.

That's an amazing question. If it takes two seconds to answer, why aren't you answering?

Why doesn't he do that now? Why does he let suffering happen if he's truly all-loving?

I’m starting to agree with the first poster. Idk what, but something seems off about you.

If God says good and you say bad, you are under the influence of the evil one.

Here, let me ask a better question on your behalf in order to lead you along the path: Why is Satan allowed to exist?


Yes, thank Gd for mercy


He has given men the freedom to follow and trust in the evil one. He has given the evil one the freedom to exist.


And what is that

Satan's allowed to exist because without him there'd be no free will. However, the downside to this is that it brings sin and suffering. If God is truly omnipotent, why can't he make a creature that has free will and can't sin or suffer. To us mortals, that seems illogical, but God is all-powerful, and can change logic. My why question is, why doesn't he?

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False. God gave Adam, with free will as a matter altogether separate from his primordial angel of light.


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That's basically it. Satan is our bitch

Lucifer blew it and took down many angels with him. Disassembling Satan (the fallen Lucifer) is a process that results in the rise of man. Man is what angels are made of and now the men of evil are being separated into Lucifer and Satan followers. Same thing is happening with all the other angels that fell with Satan. Get it? Satan only exists in time now, whereas he was outside of time when he was in heaven.

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wtf i'm an atheist now

Adam had free will because he had the ability to be tempted by the serpent to disobey God.
'Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”'
It's a long stretch to say the serpent isn't Satan. So no, free will wasn't separate from Lucifer

Honestly, I'm listening, but I'm not sure I quite understand your argument. Rephrase?


I know right?


The War in Heaven occurred after creation itself, dude. Obviously.

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The war in heaven doesn't have any scriptural basis, and is more akin to folk legend than actual Christian canon. And if the serpent isn't Satan, who or what is it?


No need to be rude, I just want to have a discussion with a Christian. Say something constructive or don't post

When Satan was cast down he crumbled into the bits he was made of, (he was destroyed). Because of the nature of angels, when they are destroyed, they don't just vanish but they disassemble into men (people/mankind) in this universe made in time. The reason is to observe and assess every individual bit of Satan so that any good that was taken can be returned to heaven. That's why we have a choice. Either identify and choose Satan or identify and choose God.

Disregard my first statement, it is mentioned, but not given a time period. Point still stands

Interesting argument. Much more enlightening than Op.

Revelation 12:7-9


Lol, Satan was destroyed? Are you sure?


Your point doesn't still stand.

Read the Bible and test these thoughts. See if you can find any wrong way in them.

Okay, what proof do you have that the war in heaven happened after the fall of man?

Thanks for warning us about the synagogue of satan, Jesus.

He did. But because of the free will that he gave Adam and Eve, they sinned against him and brought death into the world. He will make everything perfect again, but you'll have to wait for the second coming of Jesus Christ.

No doubt - the universe you live in is destruction. Big bang! Sun! Empty space… Death! Servitude. Don't you count this place as destruction?

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BTW, he will only give life to those who believed in him and followed his word. As for those who didn't, they will perish in hell after judgement.

Time is only relevant here. Heaven is outside of time. Fall of Satan occurred outside of time so his destruction happens "while" trapped in time. Rocket Science 101

Which edition is the right one?

Considering that we speak a language much different than the one it was intended to be read in, and there’s no way I’m learning latin for lack of proper latin education near me.

That supports my argument of the serpent being Satan, meaning that man's free will IS connected to Satan's existence.

Hell was made up by Catholics. It has no real basis…it was a pagan teaching that allowed the Catholics to threaten and control their subjects. Even in Hebrew, 'hell' just means the grave.

If you're still following it's too late for you. You must lead. Read the Bible, trust what it says, test what you THINK it means by talking to others about what you read. Learn more and more until you become enlightened.

You're in hell sunny boy. All you have to do to stay here for eternity is die. You want out? I got answers.

It's scriptural, dude.


Nice to be appreciated.


Good


Are you citing the shittiness of Satan's reign on Earth is evidence for the fact that Satan no longer exists?


Maybe you can help me answer a question: When it comes to Bible Christians, what is the precise threshold where belief in the Word is sincere enough? Sincerity of belief occurs to me as a continuous spectrum. Where is the cutoff point?

My proposed answer: last judgment only occurs after resurrection, after men will see the Kingdom with their own eyes. Maybe you have a better answer. My question is similar to


This is actually true.


You need to reread what has already been said.


Do you not think Catholic theology is inspired, at least in part? Christianity has had pagan elements since the early church.

This is retarded bullshit.
There are a shitload of things humans are physically incapable of doing that don't magically remove free will by being impossible. Making it so we couldn't end up in such a hell hole of a world as this one wouldn't magically remove free will either.

NIV

Actually he might be in Heaven and just not know it. So might you be

Not when it is clearly made up in 700AD as a way to mind control people. The Serpent in the garden rears its ugly fucking head once again.

Lay them on me…I like info

JWanon here, every other church is gay.

OP is also the big gay.

Deep down, you know we're right. Peace.

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Sounds like you crave Eden. I wonder if Earth will ever be Eden again.


Citation needed


I've never talked to a JW. Why aren't you Catholic or just follow the Bible? Why Watchtower?

I don't disagree with you, but I'm arguing according on the lines Christian theology, in order to poke holes in his argument. Christianity states that the reason the world isn't perfect is due to sin. In

You need a savior. Someone who can reach down and grab you up to heaven.

No one is coming to save you. Hopium, has never saved anyone. And your leaders are soothing the masses, lulling them into a stupor; telling them all to 'Drink the KoolAid, and die with dignity'. There is no dignity in dying a coward on your knees

Russell's beginnings were humble, he simply picked up the book and began reading.


The Watchtower is usually brutally honest with depiction and setting; they also don't claim to be inspired, nor strive for anything fanciful like gigantic Catholic statures.

Also, we DO follow the Bible, the Watchtower is simply an added supplement to help with your faith and reading.

Sorry about that. That line of reasoning is one of my pet peeves, and I should have taken a bit longer before posting to read more thoroughly.

So in the bible god refers to himself as “us” and “our” a few times.

Would it be odd to think that it’s more than one being?

Satan is the shattered Lucifer. The only difference between Satan and people is that Satan can hear thoughts of others because he was what they've become.

don't beat someone with your confidence, share it.

It's past midnight where I live, I gotta go to bed
If the mods don't 404 this thread than I'll be up to argue tomorrow

Yeah but a modicum of research will tell you that SIN is not something you can 'do' it is the Moon God of the Babylonians.


this is really a down and dirty search, but anyone who has done extensive biblical reseach knows that the Catholics made up hell…you can find TONS of stuff online about Dante's inferno and the Catholics manipulation of the masses via the 'threat of hell'. You can even find the 'church fathers' agreeing to LIE TO PEOPLE 'for their own good'…publicly they state this in their own writings…that it is 'GOOD' to lie to people.
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Christians don't need anybody to make them look bad; they do that all by themselves. As evidenced by this thread. Also history.

Hmmm I hope my mom will have mercy on me then…I am sure she is interested and puzzled by what is going on in my mind…LMAO

Not odd. If you are a brother, father, son, and at the end of your life you were describing your whole being would you say "we" when describing all of the prior instances of yourself?

Your idea that "without Satan there would be no free will" is false. Consider Eden. Suppose Original Sin never occurred. In this hypothetical, Satan might as well not exist – Eden is protected. Do Adam and Eve not have free will to eat and frolic and play with their naked bodies?


OK child of Satan.


Fair enough. Jesus doesn't favour it above other forms of worship though, so I don't know why you put up with the stigma of being a weirdo, and also the other shady shit that everyone says exists.


If the Queen does, why shouldn't the King.


Satan is not "people."


Look what has become of our thread :)


Satan is BTFO from this thread so they won't.


Ever heard of the Lake of Fire?

But the souls of people are Satan. Not all people, but all people who reject God.

In all honesty, that "shady stuff" is mostly jewish deception, most of the people who got disfellowshipped had to do something to GET there; either they abused a child, were sexually promiscuous, or some other miscreant sin.
John Cedars is a useless fedora tipper weakling who prank-called the branch; his apostacy disgusts me. The Media also constantly puts us in a bad light, this eventually led to my redpill on Jews. Jews have done nothing but suppress the truth in every religion and regard, including us.

That's an esoteric point. There may be something to it, or not. I don't see why you're fixated on it.

Even if you're not shilling for a secluded and secretive organization, God still asks us to rejoice in beauty, and JW buildings are always the ugliest in town.

No I wouldn’t. I’m saying that some versus such as Genesis 2:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”


It sounds like God is of a different species of sentiment beings TBQH.

Of course, the source of Creation that all men are terrified of beyond reason. (It is not really 'fire' BTW…it is also called the Sea of Glass…and the Throne of God sits on it; sort of, that is a TERRIBLE description…as 'throne' who would have ever considered that to be a Throne…who knows.)

It's necessary for team building. Equally yoked.

Genesis 3:22 I meant.

Yep, God is certainly different. He DID create man in his image, though. So there's that.