A fantasy writer asserts that author J.R.R. Tolkien embedded themes of racism in his eternal classics The Lord of the Ring and The Hobbit by depicting orcs and similar creatures as races of evil, inferior brutes
Author Andy Duncan offered this opinion during an interview on the Wired Magazine podcast ‘Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy.’
“It’s hard to miss the repeated notion in Tolkien that some races are just worse than others, or that some peoples are just worse than others,” Duncan said. “And this seems to me, in the long term — if you embrace this too much, it has dire consequences for yourself and for society.“A lot of these creatures that were raised out of the earth had not a great deal of choice in the matter of what to do,” he added. “I have this very complicated sense of the politics of all that.”
Duncan seemed to draw oblique correlations between the plight of Tolkien’s grotesque villains and the on-going migrant crisis, specifically the situation unfolding at the southern border of the United States.“It is easier to demonize one’s opponents than to try to understand them and to understand the complex forces that are leading to, for example, refugees trying to cross one’s southern border legally or illegally,” Duncan said. “It’s easier to just build walls and demonize them as ‘scum.'
Uh, Melkor isn't evil, you fucking bigot. Just because he doesn't follow your Valar standards of goodness doesn't make him automatically evil. Oh my God, where do you people come from? Who hurt you? I can't imagine living in such a tiny, ignorant bubble that would make me think there was only one source of goodness in the world. Plus, human flesh is delicious when mixed with native orc seasoning.
Luke Roberts
Of course. We must all do our part to end anti-Orc bigotry. Did you know that Orcs are actually more spiritual and intune with middle Earth than the elves? They even use every part of the human so nothing goes to waste.
At least Moorcock's books are a fun read and sadly obscure. meanwhile in the modern age, this and watered down, superficial knowledge of Tolkien and Harry Potter is what passes off as Fantasy
checked again This is hilarious and yet another example of meme magic leaking into reality. The idea that orks = the brown races and are untrustworthy in Tolkien isn't new at all, even since the 1960s people have been asserting this.
If you recall the scene at The Prancing Pony in the books, when the four companions arrive there is old Bill Ferny, from whom they purchased a pony, speaking covertly with a "sallow" man, then Tolkien launches off into how sometimes orcs would mix with men.
Tolkien was redpilled as fuck.
John Long
Anyway I'm convinced this is a JTRIG thread because at the same moment the same thread was posted to cuck chan, with the same orcposting images and the same exact orcposting quote.
Snap. This one's going in my glownigger collection.
Ian Campbell
Stop being retarded, torpedo. The Tolkien images were made when the first migrant caravan popped up. You're making yourself so goddamn obvious by not knowing that.
Of course I know that. My point is that JTRIG posted this exact same thread to cuck chan at the exact same time, today, then followed it off with some of the same bot posted images. The OP in the cuck chan thread even has a British flag, numbskull.
Also only shills say torpedo, if you have a problem with anonymous posting on an anonymous image board you're fake and gay and everybody can tell.
Leo Parker
No nigger. Your point is that you're making this thread appear to be another 'only feds post threads' and are pretending that people don't crosspost between chan boards all the time. You also imply that someone who posted the images above is also a fed, but aren't posting proof of your fucking assertion. So no, you can't tell shit. So either stop sperging, or go kill yourself.
The thread is gold since it was something Zig Forums had predicted would most likely happen. Kikes can't stop attacking anything even remotely positive towards whites, and just have to broadcast how much they hate niggers while pretending to speak for them and 'defend them'. It needs to be spread on any social media sites.
Kind of how JK Rowling depicted the bankers as jew goblins with horrific noses and sour demeanors.
Asher Thompson
Friendly reminder that no one called lord of the rings treatment of Orcs racist until Michael Moorcock bitch and moans about it AKA proto-SJW British cuck who called Witcher a rip off because it got more popular than Elric of Melniboné The man who made Elric of Melniboné albino to show off how evil whiteness is and made the savior of the multiverse black Micheal Moorecuck also said both dc and marvel ripped off his multiverse idea. Something that pulp writers like HP lovecraft made popular in the 1930s. And dc was using the multiverse idea back in the 50s before Moorecuck became popular
John Moore
Yeah, I'm a bot because I dumped my orcposting folder for other anons to add to their collections.
Jaxon Sanders
Conversely if he wasn't a raging homosexual communist he could imagine that the orcs were white people and the hobbits were the poor oppressed minorities, and Gandalfs magic was equivalent to the "positive" discrimination enabled by wizards such as the NAACP the SPLC and ADL. The ring that binds them, Marxism. And that's good obviously, it's positive discrimination, it's right there in the name. But noooo the orcs are obviously the negroes because they are violent and everyone knows that whites are the most evil violent race, they tell us all the time.
Isaac Wilson
I've never even attempted to have anything published professionally or anything like that, but seeing how many Western fantasy authors are black- and brown-loving, self-flagellating SJW cucks makes me think it's worth writing a story with all their retarded values inverted.
Aaron Nguyen
We need more ORC AND GOBLIN POSTING.
Jayden Morris
HAHAHAHAHAHA, good joke.
Nicholas Thomas
Zig Forums really is always right. All of the absurdities and idiocy of the left has finally matched parody in every single way imaginable. They are the worst.
Tyler Garcia
Which is very much appreciated too. I hadn't saved all of them the last time around, admittedly.
Some random moron said something. Amazing. And the only reason his opinion is known is because you told us. Absent you spreading his gospel, he'd be alone in his soy-dependent body to contemplate his own stupidity by himself. I'm not even reading past those four words. I don't give a fuck about some random monkey's opinions.
Aaron Rodriguez
MEME RESPONSIBLY memetics are more powerful than people realise
You seem to be implying that it makes the Lord of the Rings less enjoyable if Tolkien is racist. This is where you ought yourself as a civic nationalist faggot. The Lord or the Rings is explicitly pro-white and pro-European, and it's a good thing.
Jayden Green
out yourself'
Luis Jackson
the term is only used when a tor user is also an obvious kike shill and therefore a pedo
Ethan James
kek
he's right though, and that's a good thing
Joshua Johnson
You won't get any classic (and proper) fantasy novel published. They only tolerate things like LotR because it still makes them a load of money. Write it anyway. We absolutely need more European fantasy and fiction.
What is it with so much modern soy media being filled with overly cutesy characters, whimsical misspellings of words, meta jokes everywhere and nothing being taken seriously at all?
I can't put a specific name to it, but you know what I'm talking about. It's everywhere.
Brody Gutierrez
Fear, pure an simple fear. Leftist ideology wants to change society and to achieve that it tries to destroy the classical family, so it can isolate individuals to police their behavior through social pressure. The individuals that had this happen to them and live in these dystopian parts of our society, live in the constant anxiety and angst that if they look like a threat or practice wrong think, they will be excluded from the group and its resources. To avoid making these these individuals flee into Infantilism, because nobody feels threatened by a retarded child.
Ethan Hall
That makes sense, but I've never understood people who compromise themselves to suck up to a retarded group that would throw them away in a second. It's easy as hell to get by in modern society without resorting to sycophantic behaviors.
Liam Reed
I like cutesy characters, it's a personal weakness. Overly cutesy like they do might be their inner soy speaking, whimsical typos being a leftover from lolcats, meta because lolsoclever, and constant irony because the thought of unironically enjoying things brings them nothing but cold sweats and flashbacks to their favorite indie walking simulator being shat on by everyone with an ounce of taste.
Jeremiah Morgan
God created people made to enjoy that shit. What an incomprehensible design.
They are just getting started. I predict another "hold my beer" moment in the near future.
James Garcia
God fucking damnit that whole "Ancient Vikings were actually mudslimes. Here is a single piece of cloth in a vaguely similar style to corroborate our narrative"
could this meme be transferable to other fantasy universes? LoTR is getting a bit long in the tooth and isn't as relevant as it used to be. more people would understand something like GoT.
Dylan Evans
sorry sven vikings were muslims everyone knows this
The ancient Celts and Vikings were Black people. The Celts were originally Black people. Ephorus (c. 405BC) claimed that the Celts were Blacks or Ethiopians. The Celts continued to be recognized as Blacks by Tacitus, who wrote about the Black Celts and Picts in 80 AD.
The Celts on the mainland of Europe were called Iberians or Silures, though the original Celts were Black, overtime their name was stolen by Europeans. Father O’Growney has discussed the history of the Celts. He makes it clear that the original Celts were the Iberians. The Iberians were probably conquered by the Ligurians. It is suggested that the Ligurians may be represented by the modern Basque of Spain. The Ligurians took the name Celt.
The Ligurians/Celts were conquered by the Gaulish speaking people. The Gauls conqered the Ligurians and pushed them into Spain. It was these Gauls who imposed their language on the Iberian and Ligurian Celts. The Gauls were Belgians according to Father O’Growney. The Irish and Welsh are descendants of these Gauls. These Gauls spoke Gaulish or Gaelic.
The Germans conquered the Gaulish-Celts, and Gaulish disappeared around 4th Century AD. All of the Black Celts in Britain were not erased by the Gauls. This is supported by the Ivory Lady of York, England. The reconstruction of the face of the Ivory Bangle Lady (c.350AD) indicates that she was African or Black.
There's a dude at my work that parrots this kind of shit unironically, all fucking day. Listening to his incessant hysterical mental diarrhoea has done more to move me firmly into the Zig Forums camp regarding blacks than actually reading Zig Forums for the last few years. He's one of those relatively high IQ, "educated" African blacks, but it's shocking to me how incapable he is of abstract reasoning. I told him straight up that Egyptians couldn't have been blacks because a people unable to invent the wheel could not have built the pyramids. I'm sure this is not news to Zig Forums, but actual face-to-face interaction with blacks is rather novel to me.
I used to work with a black woman who didn't know what a hippopotamus is.
Jayden Turner
If he could read, and if he hadn't that much of leftist temper, he would know that this all is explained in Silmarillion. The origin of Orcs is in Elves themselves. Orcs are not bad in their heart, but they are under influence of Melkor.
Brody Wright
ay das the thing that regulates temperamture in the brian, right?
Jason Morris
One job user. You fucked it up.
Henry Green
Orc posting has a neverending source of content to easily mock, because leftists can't help but make this virtue signaling horse shit. It's ridiculously formulaic, too.
Luke Rodriguez
But the Orcs are impossible to awake. Like Leftists these days. Orcs are indeed Leftists not migrants.