Tankies & the Left Unity Scam - Can we talk about this crap?

Andrew Morgan
Andrew Morgan

theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-tankies-and-the-left-unity-scam

It's full on horseshoe theory and it's divisive as hell. Whoever wrote this is no better than your average conservative screaming about the red menace.

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libcom.org/blog/unity-what-whom-polemic-against-left-unity-28022014
libcom.org/blog/“-real-enemy”-why-we-should-reject-left-unity-concept-17022013
mega.nz/#F!DpAz2IgQ!nW7bPNnpJFk5CAV3ypiaHw
youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Leo Robinson
Leo Robinson

Muh collectivism
Muh authoritarianism
Muh imperialism
Every time.

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Dylan Ortiz
Dylan Ortiz

What's wrong, tankie? Are you mad that you have been called out for being a red fascist?

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Brody Gutierrez
Brody Gutierrez

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Ayden Kelly
Ayden Kelly

Everybody's a cop. If you don't want to be a proletariat's cop, you will be a bourgeoisie's cop.

Carson Carter
Carson Carter

the horseshoe theory is a big fat pile of gay rainbow shit.

it fais to explain why neoliberalism, the paleoconservative/neoconservative divide or hell NAZBOL exist. pays no attention to the economic part of a given ideology and I will wipe my ass with it on pornhub to prove it.

William Lopez
William Lopez

Behind closed doors, they see us as a threat to their plans for strongman dictatorships, cults of personality, mega-industrial capitalism and gulags as far as the eye can see. We are vermin to the tankie; fit only to be ridiculed and then swiftly exterminated once they seize power. Anarchy is their absolute worst fear. Anarchists are the biggest threat to their plans for party dictatorship.
Yeah these five agender blue-haired guys on my campus smoking weed are truly the biggest threat to my plan of world domination.

Really man, it's not even worth to criticize this shit. It sounds like it was written by a five year old, linking to Wikipedia articles and throwing around buzzwords - like, expropriating Kulaks is "imperialism".

Adrian Morales
Adrian Morales

Can we talk about this crap?
We certainly can, but I have never heard of this ziq so why would I want to talk about his blog post instead of the book club? Here's some older left unity criticism that's at least better formatted if you would like to discuss the concept.
libcom.org/blog/unity-what-whom-polemic-against-left-unity-28022014
libcom.org/blog/“-real-enemy”-why-we-should-reject-left-unity-concept-17022013

Ryan Morgan
Ryan Morgan

like, expropriating Kulaks is "imperialism".
Like, driving ethnic minorities and small hold farmers from their land to be put to work on slave plantations in the Russian far-east that had worse survival rates than slaves on the transatlantic passage, like it like a tankie.

Parker Harris
Parker Harris

relations to the means of production is now an ethnicity
Careful about your toothbrush whitey
slave plantations in the far east
As real as Neuschwabenland.

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David Hill
David Hill

relations to the means of production is now an ethnicity
The fabled soviet literary rates seem to be lost on tankies.
As real as Neuschwabenland.
So where were those people send to instead, if not plantations they were forced to work at and were not allowed to leave (slavery)?

Jacob Baker
Jacob Baker

Daily reminder that tankies and nazbols get the bullet too.

This is a non authoritarian board. Go back to /leftypol/.

Brayden Myers
Brayden Myers

Tankies are the least authoritarian on the left.

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Caleb Thompson
Caleb Thompson

95% of all population movements orchestrated by the Soviet government were done during WW2 for various reasons like protecting vulnerable groups from nazi masacres, removing groups from the eastern front who might ally with the fascists, and evacuating skilled labour to continue the war effort elsewhere.

Dylan Russell
Dylan Russell

Which people? Which ethnicity? Which "plantations" (in Sibiria lmao)? Wake up from your fever dream and make an actual factual statement someone could respond to.

Juan Young
Juan Young

God, who fucking cares? Why do Anarchists and MLs have to keep arguing about these states decades after they've ceased to exist? They're not gonna come back and whatever the Soviets did in the 1920s has next to no relevance to the here and now.

Aaron Stewart
Aaron Stewart

left unity
CLASS UNITY
Being overly concerned about what political opinions you identify with is basically idpol. Your material/class interests are not idpol. Stop wasting time rehashing the same age old arguments and talk to normies. People's opinions they post online don't fucking count. What counts is whether they help disseminate useful information, organize, and take political action.

Jacob Kelly
Jacob Kelly

CLASS UNITY
This. No one gives a fuck about the sublime differences between anarcho-syndicalists and ML with Marcyite characteristics on the question of the USSR circa 1948, they care about their goddamn wages and rent.

Colton Price
Colton Price

So what are you denying here, that the population transfers never happened, that ethnic groups were not deported and forced into hard labour on plantations that they weren't allowed to leave?

an actual factual statement
actual factual
What makes something "actual factual" according to you?

Luis Wood
Luis Wood

What makes something "actual factual" according to you?
Well for starters, maybe cite a source.

Alexander Morales
Alexander Morales

What makes a source actual-factual?

Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin

I don't know if your source is credible, but neither do you because you pulled it out of your ass.

Luke Brown
Luke Brown

That's like saying penguins are the least avian species in the north pole.

Xavier Wright
Xavier Wright

Mhmm..

Ryan Price
Ryan Price

I don't fucking know, you haven't given any specifics as to what you mean by your claims. At this point it's just Jordan Peterson level of "gommunism killed 100 gorillion" without backing it up even faintly.

Aiden Hernandez
Aiden Hernandez

Small hold farmers
Kulaks yes
Slavery
Didn't happen

Anyway yes "Left Unity" is ultimately a Myth as Marxists / SocialDemocrats / Anarchists hold fundamentally different views on capitalism / Society / the state and governance etc

I have no delusions of long term cooperation between Marxists and Anarchists as one group has historically outlived the other

Blake Nguyen
Blake Nguyen

ziq (Daniel Unedo) is the woke primmie faggot that runs raddle.me.
Avoid everything he is associated with like the plague.

Jayden Anderson
Jayden Anderson

Yeah these five agender blue-haired guys on my campus smoking weed are truly the biggest threat to my plan of world domination.
tbh I have seen many MLs rage about how anarchists were out to ruin the revolution at everyturn and will do so in the future. That's why so many tankies get triggered by the mere existence of anarchists int he modern left.

Thomas Cooper
Thomas Cooper

Anyone in the west who whines about muh tankies is part of the problem. Your shitty little anarchist/maoist sect isn't going to do anything. Grow up and join a real movement to help the third world overthrow global capitalism and annihilate American empire and hegemony.

William Kelly
William Kelly

"Left Unity" is ultimately a Myth as Marxists / SocialDemocrats / Anarchists hold fundamentally different views on capitalism / Society / the state and governance etc
There is less difference between them than appears at first blush. The disconnect between marxists and other anarchists boils down to strategy; they share goals and quite a lot of theory. SocDems advance policies that are favored by MLs in their own projects, and both are given to perpetuating supposedly representative states. Likewise, anarchists and SocDems rail about the same injustices and seem to work well with one another right up to the point that the anarchists break the law and the SocDems perform the inevitable backstab.

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Cameron Hughes
Cameron Hughes

Aye.

Charles Sanders
Charles Sanders

Some guy named Ziq…
…wrote a whole article about that guy, and…
…closed their post with what their plans are.

Michael Mitchell
Michael Mitchell

Maoists are tankies.

Leo Richardson
Leo Richardson

Tankies are not MLs and MLMs.
Tankies are the subset of those groups who try to paper over any mistake made during the course of ML and MLM governments, as if they never made a single mistake or treated anyone unjustly.

Charles Anderson
Charles Anderson

So, people who don't exist?

Henry Hernandez
Henry Hernandez

Tankies owe more to Marcy than they do to Lenin, Stalin, or Mao. Somewhat hilariously, Marcy was a trot.

Josiah Fisher
Josiah Fisher

No, they definitely exist.

Thomas Price
Thomas Price

To be more specific, tankies are those MLs that refuse to condemn or who openly support violent atrocities of repression against communists who are leftward of their perpetrators, such as Kronstadt 1921, Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, and Tienanmen 1989.

Joshua Sanchez
Joshua Sanchez

all of that stuff
atrocities
kek anarchists are such of crybabies.

Elijah Ramirez
Elijah Ramirez

…but having learned the truth behind "left unity," you'll be the one to cry, now.

Blake Adams
Blake Adams

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Chase Watson
Chase Watson

I have no delusions of long term cooperation between Marxists and Anarchists as one group has historically outlived the other
Super hard to outlive people you betray and murder en masse.

William Green
William Green

He's 100% right. Anarchists are the enemies of fascists pretending to be "Marxists", like Stalin did.

Benjamin Edwards
Benjamin Edwards

murder an mass
When has this ever happened though? The only time I can think of was Makhno's bandit kingdom and even then the Soviets didn't "murder its inhabitants. The anarchists in Spain were killed by fascists. In fact they were plenty of anarchists who worked with the Soviets, in fact even Anatoly Zhelezniakov, one of the leaders of the Kronstadt uprising, did even join the Red Army and wasn't "murdered".

Having a bit of a persecution complex, haven't we?

Name one thing that makes Stalin a fascist.

John Robinson
John Robinson

He's correct that anarchists and statists are fundamentally opposed. This is inconsequential until a revolution actually takes place though, and until then it is a disagreement over tactics. In the Soviet Union, a communist revolution HAD taken place. In State and Revolution, Lenin points out exactly where MLs and anarchists diverge, and he's correct in stating that it's largely a question about societal organization after the dismantling of the bourgeois state which both groups fundamentally agree with.

David Gutierrez
David Gutierrez

implying I ever thought for a second to promote "left unity"
the anarchist brain is such a wonderful thing

Zachary Campbell
Zachary Campbell

Define "fascist."

Ryder Parker
Ryder Parker

The anarchists in Spain were killed by fascists
They were also arrested by the PCE en masse and many "disappeared". I'm sure that was in good faith though.

Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward

tankies: "idpol is reactionary and bourgeois"
also tankies: "you're a hwite male!"

Josiah Baker
Josiah Baker

Pretty much this, I do have Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, Che etc sympathies but honestly if you care about this shit you're fucking retarded no matter what side you take.

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Josiah Jenkins
Josiah Jenkins

implying a post implies some random bullshit it never implied.
Wow. Did you learn your shitposting technique from /pol/?

Brody Baker
Brody Baker

"having learned the truth behind "left unity," "
<it never implied
also:
you'll be the one to cry, now.
fuken cringe mate

Ayden White
Ayden White

honestly if you care about this shit you're fucking retarded no matter what side you take.
Only anarchists care, for me, I stopped to even laughing at anarchists when I was 15.

Jordan Sullivan
Jordan Sullivan

braindead nazbol calling others retarded

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Jose Wright
Jose Wright

Good point, it DOES directly imply the exact opposite of the bullshit you're spouting.

Liam Cruz
Liam Cruz

Not an argument

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Nicholas Thompson
Nicholas Thompson

Honestly this too, I really haven't seen many MLs whether they be anti revisionist/MLM or tankies unironically push for left unity, most of those niggers are just as sectarian as everyone else, perhaps even to a fault. Most niggers that push for left unity are just idealistic kids that are newfags to socialism, who often don't really belong to a specific tendency.
That seems to be more of the case but some dumbass twitter tanks seem to carefag about this shit too sometimes

Isaac Wright
Isaac Wright

It gets worse.

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Sebastian Cox
Sebastian Cox

I dont hang out here often anymore but I love watching twinkies meltdown in comments on social media accounts dedicated to calling then out
Today I saw tankies trying to say it's a coincidence that the DPRK has "elected" the same family repeatedly

Ian Jones
Ian Jones

I think this picture may prove my point more than anything

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Liam Phillips
Liam Phillips

I don't believe they are dying from cancer when they have time to shitpost like that. It's probably a scam.

Ryder Brooks
Ryder Brooks

Scams are in line with the party they used to be in.

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