Will Trump and the Republicans campaigning on anti-socialism be good or bad for us?
REDSCARE 2.0
Andrew Foster
Aaron Rogers
They've been doing it since before Obama.
The good from it has already come by distigmatizing socialism from muh stalin or muh gorgillions. The bad will be reinforced by conflating social democracy with socialism and by asserting electoralism is a threat to capitalism.
Hunter Phillips
LOL
Bentley Thompson
so far so good, whatever you think of the dsa they've clearly done well out of the last decade or so of reactionary insanity and at least they're not as bad as every other radleft group
this is the only real concern but i feel like more interest can only lead to more people finding out what socialism actually means
Eli Taylor
Agreed. Politely and correctly REDpilling the endless stream of enthusiastic but blithe shitlib normalfags who sincerely believe socialism starts and ends at "gubmint+gibs+taxes" will be a Sisyphean tax on our patience. The rightards incontinently cheerleading for socialism with their toothless screeching can only be good.
Josiah Russell
Or it could lead to reinforcement of that conception while they relentlessly punch left at anarchists and revolutionary marxists, which is what socdems seeking power tend to do.
From what I've heard the "radical" socdem caucus Momentum is trying to steer it into a machine for shilling berniefag democrats at the expense of direct action and organization like the stuff the Communist caucus and Libertarian Socialist Caucus are doing with Tennant's Unions and the recent Oakland Teacher's strike. Given that Momentum is backed by Jacobin and the ho from Chapo, I'm willing to bet they succeed and the DSA splits into SOCDEM GANG and some loosely affiliated radical orgs.
Gabriel Jackson
No relation?
Christian Walker
they can punch all they like, it doesn't change the actual definition of socialism, which is out there for anyone to look up
i guess we'll have to see, but they're still less cancerous than psl, rcpusa etc
Zachary Reed
en.wikipedia.org
merriam-webster.com
ahdictionary.com
en.oxforddictionaries.com
That certainly does sound like something super clear that won't be misinterpreted by ignorant laymen and willfully dishonest right-wingers as "muh gubmint". Yup. Also, if you're attempting to imply that infoshop.org or marxists.org are there, full of theory waiting to be read, studying socialism in depth is not really a comparable proposition to "look up what socialism is".
Eli Gonzalez
apart from maybe the last one they're clearly not referring to just social democracy
Austin Kelly
It will be like Hillary's anti-neonazi campaigning. It hardly made people sympathetic to literal neonazis, but it let the Republicans (correctly) portray her as common person hater and helped get Trump elected.
Basically, if you're a tankie, you get to be a Republican scapegoat. The rest of us gets a long overdue chance to associate capitalism with hating working class people. Call me a reformist, it's a tradeoff I'm willing to take.
Levi Cox
Our economy is already going to shit it's inevitable. Just not the post progressive social most leftytards like
Tyler Wilson
This shit about endorsing Bernie Sanders could definitely be something that splits the DSA.
Colton Ramirez
Actual definitions are fluid, socialism, communism, anarchism, and most words in our lexicon had very different meanings before being appropriated. Libertarian is the best example of this, because the true meaning of a legal way to say anarchist is lost and now it refers to radical liberal pedos or "when the government is nice". We can have the correct definition on our side, but that doesn't mean shit if the false definition has a movement behind it capable of changing the commonly accepted use of the term.
That bar is so low it's virtually useless.
Yeah, especially if they do it like DSA Philly where they don't bother to vote on it. Honestly the dsa doesn't need such measures because most membership are berniefags, but it's such actions that are going to sully the org and force a split.
Andrew Hernandez
Solid opinion
Luke Nelson
in any movement people are always going to want to outdo each other, and the fact is that social democracy is pretty boring when you come down to it, whereas socialism proper entails an entirely different economic system, so im still fairly optimistic that people will stumble across what it actually means
Brandon Wilson
You deserve to get betrayed by socdems yet again tbh.
Angel Cruz
If this were true we'd be looking at over half the population of the world being socialist. For everyone of us who stumbled across socialism and figured out what it meant there's at least ten who got hoodwinked into believing it is when the government does stuff or is your boss. Socdems don't dwarf socialists because they're more exciting, they do it because they have a measure of power.
Liam Perez
ah yes the revolution will just be increasing more social programs and still bombing the foreign countries
major strides were made tho
James Brown
I've seen a lot of anti-capitalism talk lately, so that is at least good for us.
Caleb Sullivan
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Jacob Russell
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Brayden Collins
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