I believe that the Cofnas critique has essentially debunked the JQ, lets debate

I will not respond to memes or inforgraphs. I only want to talk about this at an intellectual level.

Some points I find most convincing.

Non orthodox Jews in america intermarry at a rate of 71 percent. Too high to be tribal as a group. Obviosuly when whites intermix at such high rates you say that its white genocide, so Jews doing it should elicit the same response, it is a behavior that will destroy their group.

Jews in america are more likely to say Trump is too favorable on Israel than Christians are.

And of course, the example in MacDonalds work were shown to actually be examples that work against against MacDonalds own theory.

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davidduke.com/will-intermarriage-end-jewish-ethnocentrism/
angelfire.com/rebellion2/goyim/je1.pdf
invidio.us/watch?v=XNWF9CeoZdE
gss.norc.org/get-the-data
youtube.com/watch?v=kNDBOP7b7bg
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if you want to discuss things on an intellectual level then maybe you should learn English first you pajeet fuck

Im waiting for you to respond. Ive seen how Mike Enoch and the gang havent been able to get around to reading the 20 page paper. I assume most people here arent capable of reading it either

I was told this place was a congregation of high iq aryan gods. Im waiting to see if thats any true. I understand you white guys are used to letting jews teach you basic stuff, so I thought you wouldve read Cofnas

How so?
Please be as detailed as possible. I'll wait.

MacDonalds own examples work against his theory. For example, Kmac lists around 20 jews in his New York intellectual chapter, Cofnas pointed out that only two of those listed by Macdonald worked for him.

Also, Jews intermarrying at around 70 percent essentially debunks any notion of the being tribal as a group

what proportion are the jew in this study to the global population?

also, how does this answer the JQ?

Cancer spreading to other hosts is a reproduction strategy for a cancer.

non orthodox jews in america

im basing this off of macdonalds version of the jq where jews have a group evolutionary strategy to subvert their host nations

Because when a Jew mixes with a gentile, they produce Jewish children. This is because of their religion, not their race. It IS about their race, but also their religion. We despise both.

When whites mix with other races, the offspring they produce are not white. The offspring will lose much of the traits that a white person usually has. Instead they will have, darker skin, different skeletal structure, dark hair, and dark eyes/slanted if asian. And they won't inherit a "white" religion to ensure they stay within the bounds of a culture group.

TLDR: white people don't have a religion that turns their half-breeds into de facto white people like the Jews do. Plus Jews are already mixed race anyway so it doesn't matter.

Fuck off retard. There is no debunking kike control of the USSA, USSR, and EUSSR, and much of Asia. There is no debunking kike privilege. Go read some official ZOG shit about how Whites are ebil or whatever. No one here is going to debate you, particularly when you didn't lurk the two years (mandatory). Reported. Let's see if mods are alive.

again, how representative is this of the jewish population?

how is intermarriage an example that they don't subvert the host population?

If you think the religion will keep mixed jews in the group, you have to realize that jews identifying by religion is declining fast and that jews are the most secular group in america

There is no debate, the facts are in, nothing to tell you other than you're a troll/jidf/moron.

The facts are against you here. Its not my fault that you get so triggered by having your ideology debunked so clearly.


pick one plz

Found you

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Only on in ten of american jews are orhtodox. There you go

The idea of them subverting the host population by mixing with them is not a part ofthe jq according to MacDonald. Most proponents of the jq believe that jews are tribal, but believing that they are tribal and marrying out at such a high rate is too hard to believe. And MacDonald tried to prove subversion by Jews but his examples were shown to not work with MacDonalds theory when Cofnas researched them

They aren't religious but they teach the traditions anyway. And if not by parents, then by aunts and uncles. Jews stick close to one another anywhere they are so that they can look after each other.

what percentage of the jewish population are the new york jews that took part in the study?

how is intermarriage contrary to tribalism?

This seems like a pretty weak argument for suggesting that they will remain Jewish

Honestly this is kind of a troll thread. They consider anyone with Jewish blood to be Jews so it really doesn't compare. They are still tribal, they just have different rules than we do.

I feel like you are wanting to prove me wrong by claiming that the study is wrong. Its not, David Duke and Kevin MacDonald both admit that Jews intermarry at a high rate

davidduke.com/will-intermarriage-end-jewish-ethnocentrism/

So because they will consider someone with a low percentage of jewish blood a jew means they are tribal?

This whole thread is a pretty weak attempt to troll. Comparing apples to oranges you guys are.

Jews consider everyone with a drop of Jew blood, Jewish. Whites do not consider people with 50% of blood white. Two different rules. Both are tribalistic within the stock of these rules.

Its really not a troll thread. The jq relies on confirmation bias mostly. Its really pretty dumb when you look at the evidence

Yes it does, because they require Jewish blood to exist in that person to consider them part of the tribe.

You need to show tribalism to say they are tribal. Why are Jews more likely than Christians to say Trump favors Israel too much?

Jews intermarry a lot therefore my obervation that jews do a lot of bad things in my society are not valid? Fuck off.

Nobody hates jews because they think they keep to themselves. People hate jews because they don't belong in our society and they fill it up with smut, subversion, and usury.

morning Rabbi

Why won't you answer the question?

No evidence has been presented.

OP banned infographics(stats)

Few of you have cited any stats.

So how? Tell me how the evidence stacks in your favor.

Nice ad hominem. The hallmark of the victor in debate.

The Jewish gene pool is so poisoned over centuries of inbreeding and dysgenics that if Jews don't send out sacrificial lambs to the goyum their cursed blood will render them a dead-end as a sub-species.

You're full blown retarded user. This is part of the kike strategy. Look at Yael Kushner. They use intermarrying as a path to power. Since if you're mother is a kike you're a kike, then it doesn't matter if they marry off their women 100% of the time. Also if they've used marrying their sons to rich and powerful daughters as a path to controlling vast amounts of money.

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You do realize that Jews are on the left and the right, its just because of their high iq that they are always on top

Because not every Jew is a zionist. What does that prove? Some Jews have different views on the future of their race.

I know what you are doing, the study is valid, its been accepted by people in the far right

You're gay

idgaf if they are on the left or the right. Your attempt at reframing the argument against jews over and over is fucking stupid, and you are fucking stupid.

People hate jews because they do shit like fill the internet with pornography and then call people antisemites for wanting to stop rubbing their dicks to it constantly. That has nothing to do with left-right politics.

Jews are claimed to be tribal, yet intermarry at around 70 percent in america
Jews are more likely to say trump is too favorable towards israel than Christians.
MacDonalds work was shown to be bunk

tried what?

Assuming they have a future.

still not answering the question

how representative are the new york jews that took part in this study of the global population of jews?

how is intermarriage contrary to tribalism?

This is so stupid. You think 70 percent are marrying high elite gentiles? That means jews under the iq of 115 are marrying top tier people

How can marrying out of existence be an idea for the future of jews?

Here is "Culture of Critique" which details explicitly jewish action against what would be considered traditional white society as a sociological phenomenon.
angelfire.com/rebellion2/goyim/je1.pdf

As to your assertion regarding the fact that jews are now interbreeding with libshit whites, we already knew this dumbass. We've talked about it. The jewish conspiracy does not imply total competency nor a long term plan which actually ensures their survival as a distinct enthographic unit. They were a distinct unit and up to this generation have remained so, but they have drunk their own koolaid and are now dying as a result. And the liberal whites are also kikey faggots who also need to be exterminated. The well supported hypothesis is that both the kikes themselves and the libshits are expressing behavioral traits which are inherent to their lines of descent and highly heritable. Kikes seem to be destructive even to themselves unless heavily coerced against it. Liberal whites are addicted to social signaling thus in one age they will be Puritians who spend their time taking about how devout they are without any real personal conviction and in the modern day they are libshits who constantly bitch at society and signal how morally superior they are by their own modern materialist standards whiles often being massive hypocrites.

Just because they are fucking up society and conspiring to fuck us over doesn't mean they have a good plan to survive themselves, their natural inclination towards self destructive behavior is causing this shit, they need to die so that those behaviors cease to exist. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp, all behavior is 93% inheritable. Therefore all those expressing shitty behavior should be killed to eliminate the propensity for that behavior from the population. This can include kikey nepotism, libshit hall-monitor incessant bitching, or shitskin stupidity.

Killing them all is in our interest, the fact that they are killing themselves with their stupidity doesn't mean anything other than that they are helping us kill them.

if you think getting rid of jews would remove porn you are severely mistaken. Its like thinking that if you got rid of jews you wouldnt get movies anymore since they founded hollywood

Average IQ of Israel is less than 100, which is lower than the white average. Ashkenazi make up about 40% of the population, 20% Arab and the rest being other groups of Sephardic Jew. Arab IQ is typically in the mid to high 80s, and Sephardic Jews are about the same or only slightly higher. Averaging it all out the average European Jew is only on par with whites. They cannot claim success due to an IQ a full standard deviation greater than whites, because data that suggests this comes from studies containing data that is not randomly selected from Jewish populations. They came from high property value neighborhoods. Who lives in such places? People with money already and therefore more likely to be smart.

It's the same thing Asians do too, by the by.

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This is why you guys are so stupid. You think jews can be tribal and intermarry at such a high rate because they need to be the big bad. Its obviously a contradiction

It isn't. That isn't possible. Jews will have Jewish kids no matter who they marry. It is their tradition and no amount of mixing will change anything since they are already mixed.

The orthodox jews do not intermarry at any rates, only the liberal (like liberal whites not having children at replacement level) not practicing atheist jews marry outside of their group, they also share the same low "western" birthrates, the hasid (orthodox jewish) communities have significantly more energetic birthrates like mormons and other fundamentalists in the west. So in the long run only the non miscegenating hasids will remain.

how is it a contradiction?

Well jews were behind the push to legalize pornography and they absolutely control the industry. When young men started helping each other get out of chronic pornography consumption xHamster took to twitter to cry about antisemitism. Even if removing them wouldn't completely eradicate the problem, they still deserve to be cast out of our society for creating the problem in the first place. Punishment.

Go meme somewhere else. You guys got fucked so you're just ignoring us and trolling.

Im sorry but Jews do have a higher iq than whites. Its why around half of the chess champions throughout history have been Jewish

Fuck face OP. The act of Nazis impregnating qt pie jewesses and asshole Jewish producers impregnating chinks is considered the SILENT HOLOCAUST.

Great they can go play chess in Israel then and leave us alone. Maybe gathering all the high-iq jews together in their own nation will allow them to figure out how to stop this mysterious problem where everyone throughout history always hates them.

Then why do ultra orthodox jews in Israel not want jews to mix. Its obvious that the less religious the jew, the less tribal they behave

A group that has a strong tribal connection could not intermarry. It simply does not work

how is that obvious?

why not?

As I said to another person. Some Jews have different views on the future of their race. Just because Jews do not agree 100% on something, it doesn't make it invalid to point it out.

Porn has existed since the roman times. Its always going to exist

Doubt.jpg
Either something is true or it's false.
Truth and falsehood can be defined using predictable patterns or absolute evidence.
invidio.us/watch?v=XNWF9CeoZdE
38:20 onward.

Then you will not respond to predictable patterns of behavior, which means you cannot accurately process external information in a way that allows you to come to repeatable conclusions.
You're a soft-brain retard.
GTFO

The extant kikes were created when a group of the now extinct "hebrew" race interbred with various asiatics, levantines, and whites. Most of the whites were those who sold their daughters into marriage to cover debts. This is all covered in Macdonald's work. This outbred population then inbred for generations forming several distinct talmudic "jewish" populations which though related distantly where distinct from one another. These include Sephardi, Ashkenazim, ect. These populations all exhibit behaviors of extreme nepotism and tribal interest in societies in which they dwell and have alienated those societies over and over again. However recently they have begun to outbreed again. Why? Because partly through their own disgusting efforts and due to the natural of industrial society certain preexisting constraints on expression of behavior have broken down. And they are not immune to this breakdown despite being one of the biggest contributing factors to it.

Currently white conservatives have a birthrate of 2.7, white liberals 0.9, jews 0.8, hispanics 1.7, blacks 1.2, and “others” 1.3. The only demographic in any industrial nation which is breeding at or above replacement level are right wing whites in America. That is why they are so desperate to import more non-whites, without that importation by 2050 America would be 75% white again and the vast majority would be voting so "conservatively" that the GOP would not have been politically viable by the 80s. Similarly we see fecundity of shitskins tank when they are imported into Europe, down to 1.6 which is little better than the native population as an aggregate. Certainly the cause seems to be hedonism and distraction of all types even abstract intellectual distractions we don't commonly consider hedonism. Remember that in the past most leisure activity was social and thus it would introduce young men and women with one another increasing the rate of contact between compatible mates. Remember than in the past society coerced them into breeding and caring for the offspring. Remember that in the past there was no option to engage in regular sexual activity(not counting sodomy ect) without the possibility of procreation. In the paleoenvironment selective pressure did not strongly apply to hedonism as it did not impinge upon fecundity; not only were ancillary distractions rare and expensive due to the material poverty but what distractions did exist where tied to familiar and community life which to an extent facilitated reproductive activity rather than interfere with it.
gss.norc.org/get-the-data

they would mix themselves into a new genetic group. Thus the group would no longer exist as a distinct group

Debating the jew is useless.

Mass porn consumption and a porn industry worth billions? No that hasn't always existed.

There are also other behavioral predispositions besides hedonism that play into reproductive behaviors and also that in the past children provided financial security and thus were not detrimental to the long term prosperity of the individual. Those "conservative" whites live in America where food is cheap, they live in rural areas were free distraction is plentiful, they have more STEM degrees than liberal whites both per capita and in total, they have more disposable income than liberal whites and thus could buy more distractions. Yet they are breeding while all others are not, why is that? Because most of them are the descendants of cruel, taciturn populations: Cavaliers, German Mercenaries exiled after the 30 years war, expats of all sorts ex. They are naturally brutal people with inherent predispositions towards an insular religiosity, clannishness, stocism, racism, and hatred of all sorts. They are the strong ones, they are ones who have reject modernity as a matter of course because it is eminently natural for them to do so, they cannot accept modernity no matter how much society demands them to do so. The use the fruits of modern technology be feel little interest in the behaviors associated with it. If it wasn't for the importation of hundreds of millions of shitskins this situation would have been a boon not a curse. Our race would be purged of the weak in a far more complete and merciless than any eugenics program could have managed, because natural selection via the voluntary suicide of all libtards, pussies, faggots, and hedonists would over generations have scoured their genes from the breeding population. And still is in the white rural areas, this division always existed in white populations but now it has effectively created too distinct populations with minimal gene transfer, this is the what the beginning speciation looks like.

Thats fine so has rape and murder and usury. That doesn't mean I want people who do all of those things walking around in my society doing them without consequence. You are a huge faggot.

Porn became a billion dollar industry because of demand for it and the internet, not jews

Go and check marriage laws in Israel and how Jewish elite conduct themselves in terms of marriage. That kike down the street that works for your local school isn't the topic of discussion. Jews are on a tier system, and they function on different levels. Once you start observing you realize they have 3 different levels of function.

The criminals are ones that sit out of site and operate on enormous financial levels. Perfect example for instance is George Soros. He avoids being in public eye. Criminals are extremely intellegent and run on debt and investments. When investments fail they commit crimes in grey areas and walk away claiming losses or just abusing the economic system and paying off politicians. They are protected by the clown class. Read below.

The clowns operate in Hollywood, Media, and entertainment for goys. Lets check out Harvey Weinstein. He is one of the most powerful individuals in hollywood, he is a criminal. What happened when he faced enormous backlash? The clowns came to the rescure, defending everything they could. Why? They get jobs and paid enormous amounts to do it. When a clown fucks up, they get thrown under the bus and forgotten. The criminals bring more clowns into the picture. It works the same way as the media.

The civilian. These are more interesting and actually have a greater effect. Typically financially succesful and standup people in a community. They almost always vote gibs but some of them will vote cuckservative. Either way they will support the Zionist state of Israel over there own nation. These are the ones you talk to daily at work or school. These are the ones who intermarry. These are the majority. These are Low Class. Even if they are rather wealthy engineers or network security administrators. The more successful ones operate sliding into medical and law.

And back to the start, you should really resesarch Israels marriage laws around religion and how the country operates. If Israels methods of governing, voting, and marrying where implemented in the United States with the replacement of Jews with WASP. The amount of kvetching, ape noises, and other races screeches would turn the world inside out. The privilege that jews have is unfathomable. Imagine being the greatest victims in the world while controlling it completely.

OP is a fag 2

They are a distinct group, despite intermarrying with Europeans for centuries.

How can that be?

We've seen bullshit like the libtards before, the Cathars were accepting of homosexuality, vice of all sorts, and even murder. They encouraged people not to breed, and thought that because the world was filthy and fallen nobody should have children and that no authority should control them because it was temporal, except for the Cathar Elect of course. Sound familiar? How many times has a libtard bitched to you about overpopulation and how you are selfish for bringing children into a world were they suffer, you are selfish for not adopting a little nignog because muh overpopulation, you are selfish for doing anything biologically adaptive and placing your family before shitskins you've never met. And when you point out that we could just stop feeding the shitskins and billions would die off in the first ten years they have no material rebuttal they and only sputter and stammer "W-W-WACIST!"

This is the same sickness we as a race have always had. The Catholic Church organized the extermination of all adult Cathars under the request of France and the German states because these faggots were trying to destroy society. But they didn't purge enough it seems, the Cathars were never that big and the Inquisition was created to prevent another heresy of that sort. And it did, and it only cost 4,500 lives at most over an 800 year period to do it. The Inquisition essentially invented modern investigative law because they weren't a secular court looking for scapegoats to throw to the outraged mob. They were actually trying to stop heresy.

But it was a mistake and yes any NatSoc plan of forcing these fags to act like humans would also be a mistake. We should just let all those who don't have a predisposition to survive die off, ZA VINAL ZOLUTION IV YOU VILL!

Your big statements seem to be 70% Jewish intermarriage and something about CoC isnt as damning as it should be. Both of these points do not nullify the following: Jewish interests spread in media, control of media, control of news outlets, cryptojewish destructive seeding, and Jewish names behind political corruption, misrepresentation politically. Etc, etc.


Just an honest question and not the usual Zig Forums kneejerk. Are you jewish? Because I sense a little confirmation bias in your posts. You may be Irish, which sometimes is just as bad.

Porn isnt bad for you though. The only people who believe hat are retards who believe in nofap

kek, you must be an american

No, it really doesn't. The only way to be tribal is as a group, and I can show you thousands of rabbis who support open borders in the US. That's tribalism. That 70% aren't intermarrying to exist in a dominant culture, because judaism dominates the culture from kikestianity to the hollywood, to the food we eat which must be blessed by rabbis.

But let me ask you, what do you actually know about the JQ? Looks to me like you listened to an eceleb or read a tiny, smug blog.

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Porn isn't something that white people traditionally have tolerated, and most of us would like to continue with that tradition. If you kikes like porn so much go do it somewhere else and leave us along.

Thats exactly why they have become less and less distinct over time. Without their religion they are basically just another group of whites.

OP isn't worth responding to. Please use sage. Let the thread die.

It does though, the orthodox jews stick to their ways super majority of the time, they talk of this in their own magazines even. What is happening is that the non ethnocentric jews or liberal jews leave the group core group while the core orthodox jews still remains and grows.

only some jews in some way have this strong tribal connection, the liberal jews do not and so they are bred out.

Same thing as in many other fundamental religious groups. You could say the unsuitable and unstable individuals leave and the core group remains. Colonization in european history might well be the same system in function.

how have jews become less distinct over time?

Demand is just a dogwhistle for temptation. They were tempted into buying that junk. Just because there is a large audience for something doesnt make it ok. Illegal drug trade is worth a trillion dollars world wide. Is that ok? Is that ok just because millions want drugs? No it fucking isnt. Capitalism has brainwashed you into a "BIG GDP GOOD" pawn. Bigger GDP is not always worth it.

Ive read kevin macdonalds book and listened to various believer of the jq. Its all rather stupid when you look at it. You can tell how stupid you are for thinking your confirmation bias of seeing rabbis support open borders means that the jq is real

okay. cool opinion, bro.

you're fucking stupid

leftist Jews aren't happy with Bibi's policies, but they aren't anti-Israel. If you scratch the surface, they're critical of Israel because they BELIEVE ITS BAD FOR JEWS. Ethnocentric does NOT necessarily mean nationalistic, fuckwad

Stopped there bc these are really, really old arguments

lurk 2 years b4 posting again

You blew it too early. You are definitely Jewish, with a twinge of morality and conscience. My recommendation would be to lurk and become a Steve Miller type. Everyone else here will tell you what they think you should do since you are jewish.

Except porn is bad. Its bad for everyone involved and those who watch it are affected.

lol, sorry for busting your bubble here. I know you think this place is some sort of truth bubble but its not. You guys are clearly wrong about mist of what you talk about here

Jewish. Dissonance is palpable. You sound female too.

this is so wrong on many levels. You guys constantly point out that liberal jews are a part of the jq and yet here you are trying to make it look like only the religious ones are

Did not mean to post 'jewish' as first word.

lol, so you can only be anti israel if you want every israeli to burn am i right?

there are more jews today than ever existed

You're either a troll or retarded.

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more and more jews identify as white. How can that be good for a group? Imagine if whites started doing something like that, youd probably scream white genocide.

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Ohhh are you used to females one upping you?

She's female. I'm curious what she's fishing for. She's looking for a reason to sleep at night, or she's dating a bageled asshole super jew.

literally everyone watches porn and masturbates. Masturbation has been proven to have many health benefits. You have to be a religitard to believe pron is bad, its literally just watching people have sex.

You are pointing out the fact that Jews are a culture and not a race. I agree and the problem isn't race it's behavior and it's even something you pointed out with some American Jews concern about Trump's support of Israel. Yes, "not all jews" and in fact I would argue that the people using Judiasm as a human shield to deceive, perpetrate endless wars, division, financial slavery, ect are not actually Jews. Just as pedophile priests could be accused of "not being Christians".
The problem is that the culture of Judaism has a long history of this kind of behavior and philosophy at endorses it is baked into the culture itself such as
1. The talmud (inb4 "misinterpretations" tell that to Jewish scholars and curent and former Jews who point out the accusations are correct and not misinterpretations.
2. Victim consciousness. True or false, right or wrong the Jewish story is one of repeating patterns of persecution and exile. This creates a consciousness where people feel justified in doing anything to survive and perpetuating the very things they suffered from. The same consciousness permeates this forsaken place see: youtube.com/watch?v=kNDBOP7b7bg
3. circumcision is genital mutilation and inherently wrong

It's not the people its the behavior of people within the halls of institutional power and the others who go along with it because they benefit from it in some way. Same as Christians and Muslims.
IMO The big three religions and their banks need to be deconstructed and perpetrators of evil need to face investigations, swift trials and summary executions.

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