Let's talk about morality seriously / blackpill thread

Hunter Lee
Hunter Lee

Why do you think the things you do is good and/or right?
What is good? What is bad?
What is right? What is wrong?
What is just and what is not?
Where do your morals and beliefs come from?

Why do you think pedophilia is something wrong?
Why do you think murder is wrong?

Can you even be a moral person if you don't believe in any God and don't strictly follow traditions?
When you say you hate certain groups of people, do you really hate them or resent them?

Why do you think your country matters?
Why do you think "your people" need to survive?
Why the next generation matters?
Why having children is important?
Why should you dedicate your own life to a cause that's not entirely egoistic? Why should we care about others?
Aren't most people just unconscious egoists?
Isn't "dying for my people" also a purely selfish act, since you're only doing it for your own well-being. Being a "hero" makes YOU feel good, therefore you're not really sacrificing yourself for others, you're doing it for your own benefit?

You don't need to answer all those questions, btw, I just want your opinion on morality and your opinion on what is bad and what is good, right or wrong.

Other urls found in this thread:

kabbalahexposed.com/OneGod.Html
peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/does-capitalism-destroy-cooperation/
alamut.com/subj/the_self/stirner/prefaceEgo.html
boards.4chan.org/u/thread/2923574
boards.4chan.org/u/thread/2919562#p2919562
atavisionary.com/cathedral/the-cathedral-compilation-page/
archive.org/details/TheNatureOfZionism1993-VladimirStepin

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

Movie, TV show, books related to the topics.

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Jordan Clark
Jordan Clark

Good is what I don’t feel bad doing. Bad is what I don’t feel good doing.

Dominic Reyes
Dominic Reyes

Why do you feel good doing certain things such as hitting a nigger but bad if you have sex with a child?

Easton Wright
Easton Wright

You feel bad for taboos because you have no tolerance for it. You do things that feel good because they motivate and give meaning to life.

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

You feel bad for taboos because you have no tolerance for it.

More like you feel bad because you're inclined to it, Your culture has taught you that it's wrong from the beginning and giving up those ideals and, those things you find right and wrong is difficult. "Killing spooks" is difficult, because you've been fed ideas since birth. If you're from the west, Christianity is ingrained in our culture and way of thinking, even if our society rejects the idea of a God. What are social justice warriors but deluded Christians?

Carson James
Carson James

Morality is fantasy. What's right is what works. What's wrong is what doesn't.

Camden Cox
Camden Cox

Also, what Hollywood, Jews or whatever is doing, isn't any different from what the Christians did and what political movements (including National Socialism) is doing. Through propaganda, through repetition, through temptations, they put certain ideas into your head to the point it becomes your very own identity. And taking those ideals from you, is like taking your own identity or personality, that's why giving up on certain ideas is very difficult.

I also understand why we need restrictions, morals, religion, ideology…it gives life a purpose to some. It can prevent people from becoming nihilists. However, I think if you're a smart person, you can find a way to overcome nihilism, but keeping in mind that "truth" is somehow subjective.

Dilate.

Sebastian Jones
Sebastian Jones

Only God is good. The natural law written into our hearts is a good general guideline but it can become corrupted readily. For example, most people naturally feel disgust when encountering homosexuals, but you can brainwash people into pretending that that's just a 'prejudice.'

Bentley Wilson
Bentley Wilson

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Jack Barnes
Jack Barnes

I am more than this vessel I reside within and thus, more than an animal which gives me the devine right to love all that flows with God and hate alll that does not. I use hate in its most specific, intentional term.
My blood formed the societies that stand today. Formed the trust that was betrayed, through generations of synergistic existence. Every once in a while God injects something more evil than the most evil betrayer just to show whos really in control. I am the crack of the whip.
My only feelings on the matter are I won't enjoy what has to be done but I won't defy the order. The exploitation of trust. The decay of virtue and the inversion of truth have no limit. I am a governor, in that sense.

Justin Wilson
Justin Wilson

You mean the (((Christian))) god? The idea of a god is outdated. There is no longer a need in humanity to personify the unknown, it is only a sign of mental weakness.

Daniel Morris
Daniel Morris

I wonder who would speak in opposition to God?

Juan Williams
Juan Williams

You're talking about a god given to you by a hippie kike. You stole the jewish god and guess what? We're no longer living in times when believing in a god is fucking necessary. Stop personifying the unknown, it's fucking schizophrenic.

James King
James King

Existence is good by virtue of being the only option, there for anything that secures existence is right and good. Natural law/Dharma/Cosmic Order is the only eternal law. The 14 words is all that matters. Take your post modern bullsbit to leftypol FAGGOT.

Grayson Harris
Grayson Harris

actually you are talking about "a god given to you by a hippie kike" I asked who would speak in opposition to God?
Perhaps you can tell me about myself since you are the all-knowing, all-wise being that can tell everyone what things he has never experienced are, or rather, are not?

Mason Brown
Mason Brown

Only God is good.
Which god(s) and what that one(s)?

Lincoln Anderson
Lincoln Anderson

Here is an article, "the one god, a perverted and stolen concept, corrupted by jews," the concept was originally a pagan idea to the concept of the aether, which is an impersonal, all encompassing force from which all existence springs. The jews corrupted it into christianity.

kabbalahexposed.com/OneGod.Html

Aiden Martin
Aiden Martin

the concept was originally a pagan idea
Which before was Zoarastrian and before was Sumerian and before was Atlantian…

I'm curious, where did it all start?

Oliver Cooper
Oliver Cooper

Natural Law, Logos, how things work: Reality-Truth-Morality. The structure, fundamental principles & mechanisms of existence & particularly of life. Natural Law is the basis of all Truth from which all morality must derive.
Natural Laws are mandatory, we may try to mitigate or avoid them, we may even think to succeeded for a time but always & inevitably Logos destroys anti-Logos.
Reality & its laws always win.
Natural law is Good, right & just.

paedophilia
Paedophilia is wrong because it is R selected perversion for niggers & sodomites. (see R/K selection)
Murder
Murder is a basic mechanism of life. Depends on who is being murdered & why. Its not inherently wrong because it doesn’t contradict Natural Law, its a part of it.
God
I am an atheist & Natural Law is my morality. Because Natural Law is Reality & if gods exist they made it so.
Non whites
Do i personally hate every single non white? No. Do i want them exterminated? Yes. This is a zero sum game.
Country
Its not country its Nation which is a thing of blood.
Survival
I fight for my peoples survival because they are my people: Past, present & future. I & others of my blood are the living embodiment of them. Loyalty, duty, love is more needed?
Generation/children
The next generation & children matter because that is how Nations/blood survives & i care about that for the reasons just stated.
why care
Why do i care? Why do i care for my parents? My children? If i need to explain this you aren’t worth it.
egoists
Most people don’t really think about much, it turns out. Stop projecting, we aren’t all as atomised as you & your insipid individualism.
Egoist
Bug man.

tl:dr you are a tragic & disgusting product of jew pilpul, materialist consumerism & your own insipid & selfish nature. You have no past, no present & no future. You are a hollow man & you will never get it.

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Nathaniel Miller
Nathaniel Miller

The black haired guy spoke like a true NPC.
He doesn't even knows why he wants children in the first place.

Sorry if philosophy bothers you by questioning why you do things.

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Lincoln Anderson
Lincoln Anderson

Look at this guy. Look at his spooked answers, look at the way he acts. His answers are shallow, based on emotion and not reason.

Do the few rational people on Zig Forums really agree with him on everything he says?

Ethan Diaz
Ethan Diaz

Good is when the niggers and jews die.

Eli White
Eli White

He wants children because he wants his blood & the love he shares with his wife to live on and have a future beyond himself. He cares. This is an insufficient answer to a bug man. But that’s on you. Why not kill yourself before you suffer more? You know you will so why not just end it all? What reason do you have for living? The next video game? Finishing that big sack of potato chips? Hoping that someone will give you the love you are incapable of yourself?
Sorry if the vacant desolation of your miserable world view bothers you.

Jace Price
Jace Price

Natural law says that the strongest must survive. You'd be dead by now if we weren't rational creatures.

Jose Wood
Jose Wood

rational is unemotional
Whats the matter, user? Does emotion bother you? Do you have trouble with your temper? Are your meds not helping?

Joshua Cooper
Joshua Cooper

Ask me how i can tell this is projection.

Blake Gomez
Blake Gomez

Why not kill yourself before you suffer more?

Because I don't want to. I think life, this life is worth living simply because it's fun. What came before and what comes after does not matter. We do not know. We know about this life. This life is all that matters.

The next video game?

My life is a game. I really enjoy playing it.
My life is also a painting and I'm trying to paint it the best way possible, without obstacles such as morality.

Asher Roberts
Asher Roberts

Let's talk about morality.

Instant shillstorm.

The usual Synagogue of Satan servants spewing their anti-Christ rhetoric.

Interesting. Not surprising, but, interesting. No logic. No facts. No evidence. Just "We hate Jesus Christ and here are all of our emotinall-biased rhetoric statements."

No dissection of how it is that straight, White, Christians founded the USA while escaping from the "I'm the proto-pope" religion of England.

No discussion of how, since Christianity has been largely abandoned in the USA, quality of life has plummeted.

No, just the usual hateful screechings of those devoid of truth.

So, sinners, what has your Enlightened Freedom from Christianity done to your lives? What has it done to your women? To whom has it made your children vulnerable.

But muh Christians who are cucks, Israel worship, etc. etc.

Really? We are going to generalize God based on the imperfections of his followers?

That's like vilifying all men because most rapes are done with a penis.

No, The Bible, in its perfect form, is the fundamental and flawless message from God to mankind. Nations that heed it are exalted, while nations that deny it or attack it plunge into fast or slow death.

How did your precious (((atheism))) work out in Bolshevik Russia?

How is your precious (((atheism))) working out in China?

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

The Bible is the only holy book that recommends death penalty for child offenders. What did your god, Darwin, say about THAT?

I know they are shillbots, much of the time, but the moderators seem to have an anti-Chriistian bias, also, at times.

The Bible works. Christianity works. It produces safe, sane, prosperous societies.

Don't conflate the Mary-worshiping Male Child Rape Cult with Christianity. The Bible says it is a doctrine of demons to forbid people to marry.

Go with the Bible, properly interpreted, and you can't go wrong.

No sex outside marriage. 99 percent of the world's criminals come from single mothers.

100 percent of the world's crime is a direct disobedience of God's Word.

Yet, the shills shriek endlessly about how important it is to abandon Christ and all he stands for.

Hasten to completely anti-Christ nations, then. Don't waste your time here.

Attempting to have morality without the Bible is doomed to fail. All morality must be enforced on people by themselves, via the God who comes to live inside their hearts through the salvation that is offered via Jesus Christ.

I have noticed that the general tone always seems to turn into "Anything but admit that accepting Jesus Christ as my personal savior and living by the Bible" People arrive at that point in many ways, some more roundabout than others, but it ultimately demonstrates its source, because Satan has no fear of Buddhism, so his servants are not attacking it 24/7 in Hollywood, on this board, etc.

It works, which is why Satan and his shills attack it so completely, either using emotionally-laden rhetoric, dismissiveness, finding what few examples they can about dumb Christians, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Sure, you can attempt to have morality divorced from God. You can attempt to have green plants devoid of sunlight, too. But it is costly and artificial.

And "The natural law written into our hearts" stuff. Really. So, Jeffrey Dahmer, a famed homosexual rapist and murderer, who was following whatever was in his heart, as an example?

No, everyone having their own fascinating and creative version of how they are going to get their dick sucked and scam money off others while not getting caught does not work.

Only the Lord Jesus Christ and his Word work, every time, all the time. Zero percent of the disasters you all heathens have made of every country you get control of is due to Biblical Christianity.

Bentley Anderson
Bentley Anderson

God is not real.
Jesus was a socialist. If you're not a socialist, you can't be Christian.

Sebastian Evans
Sebastian Evans

A lack of free will disproves any argument for morality. There can be no discussion of morals without first proving free will, which no one can do.

Josiah Sullivan
Josiah Sullivan

worth living simply because it's fun
Not a rational argument.
I really enjoy playing it.
That is a lie, user. I can tell its a lie because you don’t believe
in anything. I can tell you don’t believe in anything because you use 'rationality' as a replacement. They hollowed you out & now you are empty.

Natural law says that the strongest must survive. You'd be dead by now if we weren't rational creatures
Since i know you wont ask ill tell you why this is projection:
1.It isn’t based on knowledge.
2.Its not an argument & in no way refutes Natural Law.
3.You pretend to be rational.
lol.

Xavier Taylor
Xavier Taylor

Free will is an abstraction.

Thomas Rivera
Thomas Rivera

Jesus was a carpenter.
If you're not a carpenter, you're not a Christian.
Jesus was male.
If you're not male, you're not a Christian.
Jesus spoke Aramaic.
If you don't speak Aramaic you're not a Christian.

Do you have any more pearls of wisdom for us?

Charles Rodriguez
Charles Rodriguez

Jesus was a jew . . .

Ian Powell
Ian Powell

Not a rational argument
It is. We're not capable of knowing everything unworldly. I value THIS LIFE because it's the only one I know. I enjoy living. Even if there's a God, an afterlife, I do not care. I care about this life and I care about myself because I'm the sentient being experiencing it. And to be honest, I don't believe that there's anything other than this life we experience. I believe that death is an illusion. We just are, we are beings.

Adrian Taylor
Adrian Taylor

Correct.
If you don't adhere to your beliefs, how can you call yourself a Christian? You're a hypocrite.

Andrew Perry
Andrew Perry

Continuing his lines:
Jesus was a Jew.
If you are not a Jew, you are not Christian.

Jaxson Hill
Jaxson Hill

There is no such thing as a blackpill.

Luke Brown
Luke Brown

I agree.

Just dropping this blackpill.

Sebastian Gutierrez
Sebastian Gutierrez

miss the point
Fun is not a rational argument.
The only reason you haven’t killed yourself is because the amount of enjoyment you expect to have in the future exceeds the amount of suffering. You have no other reason to continue existing because you have nothing to believe in.
Bug man.

Hunter Bailey
Hunter Bailey

Yep, He was a National Socialist.

Asher Bell
Asher Bell

Not a black pill, an abstract irrelevance.
You exist, you act. The details are academic.

Ryder Carter
Ryder Carter

national

Lol.

Dylan Martin
Dylan Martin

from all came nature
from nature came life
from life came human
from human came civilized man

man's capacity to determine the orders of civilization, humanity, life, nature, and all, is built within himself as he is made up of each of these parts
however, man's demonstrated choosing of order over chaos, life over death, eugenics over dysgenics, eternity over extinction, is a struggle within himself, between generations, against lesser men of lesser orders of civility, other life (plagues), nature (selection) and all

if your eyes can't tell the difference between light and absence of light, your eyes are not functioning and you are blind
if you can not tell the difference between good and bad (morality), the cumulative result of evolution that is your brain is not functioning and you are retarded

Carter Hernandez
Carter Hernandez

There can be no discussion of morals without first proving free will, which no one can do.
Doesn't mean that you cannot discuss what morals NPCs should live by. They need a doctrine and constant programming. Otherwise, they lose control.

Jose Morgan
Jose Morgan

He should of been s Rational Socialist.

Leo White
Leo White

implying.

Kayden Campbell
Kayden Campbell

There's only one objective answer: Might is Right

Jackson Barnes
Jackson Barnes

Are you one of those out of Africa theory cucks? It was proven in a recent Zig Forums thread that humans came from Europe. So, those early humans were civilised and created powerful civilizations. Then some of them devolved and became savage arab negros. It's in Bible too. Humans were made in His image. But God turned them into niggers and monkeys because of sodomy and bestiality and race mixing.

Evan Baker
Evan Baker

I believe in self-interest. I do things that benefit myself, fun included. I believe life is an accident and we cannot get rid of it. But as long as I can feel and perceive things, (this) life is worth living. I am a creator, I keep doing things with a certainty that it will be destroyed but I do it anyway, because the process of doing or of being, is the only thing there is. What we can perceive is all we have. I'm don't waste my time with metaphysics because I think it's worthless and unnecessary. I don't kill myself either because it's not in my self-interest. I don't know what comes after. If I die doing something I like, then I'd have no problem with that. But killing myself for the sake of it, is pointless.

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Oliver Watson
Oliver Watson

it's in Bible

Ah, it's in a book so it must be true

Levi Davis
Levi Davis

Not for the sake of it. To avoid the certainty of further suffering. Is this not 'rational' self interest?
It is certain you will die at some point.
It is certain that you will get sick, probably very sick.
It is certain that society & all those lovely potato chips is going down the shitter, its observable.
It is certain that all your happiness is temporary.
What purely rational reason do you have to endure if all you have is sand castles & chronic masturbation?

Look at this guy. Look at his spooked answers, look at the way he acts. His answers are shallow, based on emotion and not reason.
Didn’t take long for the mask to slip, did it bug man?

Adrian Long
Adrian Long

I believe in self-interest.
ok
I believe life is an accident
ok
I think it's worthless and unnecessary.
ok
I don't kill myself either because it's not in my self-interest.
ok.

You only care about yourself. Fine. There will always be people like you, but you are ultimately irrelevant in the great tapestry of human history.

Let others struggle and believe in their so-called 'spooks.' It's their business, not yours.

Reason is a tool used by emotion. There is reason and then there is reality, and the way people adapt to reality.

Leo Jones
Leo Jones

What purely rational reason do you have to endure if all you have is sand castles & chronic masturbation?

Because death is the unknown. A rational person is concerted to what he can know. He knows he's limited and tries to work with what's available. Killing yourself is just an alternative, another option. He chose life.

Cooper Smith
Cooper Smith

Life is good until your health fails you or things turn to shit, which is likely to happen at some point. Then life becomes a struggle. Prepare yourself for that, user. Also, don't let faggots distract you from your goals. They tend to do that.

James Edwards
James Edwards

But killing myself for the sake of it, is pointless.
by your worldview suicide will become necessary when you find yourself in a position of suffering and don't see a way back to having fun, and this is nearly an inevitability.

Easton Ross
Easton Ross

Because death is the unknown.
But suffering is certain.

He chose life.
'He' chooses vacuous entertainment in the pursuit of fleeting enjoyment to east the otherwise tedious passage of 'his' meaningless life in the vain hope of a net gain in enjoyment by the time 'he' dies.
This is your life.
Its pathetic.

Andrew Walker
Andrew Walker

There can be no discussion of morals without first proving free will, which no one can do.
i experience it

Nathan Roberts
Nathan Roberts

A rational person is concerted to what he can know

BS. The glory of humanity is in the overcoming of the unknown.

When a business man or an investor invests his capital, he is engaging in an irrational act, because of the high-risk nature of his endeavor.

The same with explorers, inventors and soldiers. High risk, high reward and the willingness to overcome the unknown.

peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/does-capitalism-destroy-cooperation/

Exactly

Samuel Thomas
Samuel Thomas

you aren't saving the white race from mommy's basement, cleetus

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Henry Perry
Henry Perry

But suffering is certain.

And is suffering purely bad? How so? I don't think so. I think extreme suffering and extreme pleasure are both necessary to balance things out.

He' chooses vacuous entertainment in the pursuit of fleeting enjoyment to east the otherwise tedious passage of 'his' meaningless life in the vain hope of a net gain in enjoyment by the time 'he' dies.

Is that what you do? Now I think you're the one projecting. Why don't YOU kill yourself?
There's a difference between a healthy person who lives life to the fullest to the one who lives life full of regrets.

Jeremiah Martin
Jeremiah Martin

But i have a mini fridge?

Parker Adams
Parker Adams

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Mason Bailey
Mason Bailey

out of the two of you, you are the one who seems empty inside.

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Xavier Gomez
Xavier Gomez

I think that What is trying to say is that the life of an egoist consists of experiencing sensations, which is another way of saying consumption.

People like you consume. You do not create anything that you cannot also consume. At their very core, egoists are pure consumers (i.e. bug men)

There's nothing wrong with that, if that's your thing, but most people prefer something more.

Xavier Stewart
Xavier Stewart

his argument is that he considers life worth living because he enjoys it, suffering isn't enjoyable, if it was it wouldn't be suffering.
so if his suffering outweighs his enjoyment it would be sensible to kill himself, as his only measure of value is his own self-interest - at the point that suffering overtakes his enjoyment it would be in his self-interest to suicide.

Parker Edwards
Parker Edwards

No you don't. You couldn't even reply to my comment unless I made it. You are limited to reacting to things you sense, and your ability to react is limted by biological processes that you had no hand in crafting. You are no different than a rock rolling down a hill.

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

And is suffering purely bad?
No. The best suffering happens mostly when we exceed our comfort zone.

Is that what you do? Now I think you're the one projecting. Why don't YOU kill yourself?
You don’t have an answer yourself i take it?
What causes a man to sacrifice comfort or his life?
Its belief in something more.
What a man will kill for & die for is what a man believes.
Belief worthy of the name isn’t a habit or a comfort, it burns & demands.
It doesn’t even matter internally what the belief is. It only matters that its there.
It elevates a man from a npc or a bug man to a man with will & agency.
So what do i believe?
Im a National Socialist.

Levi Thomas
Levi Thomas

Im continuing his argument to its logical conclusion. Hes not happy about it.
See:

Charles King
Charles King

I know why he wants children. He wants "that feeling" of putting children into this chaotic world because it makes him feel good.

Me, myself and I will not have children, because I don't want a burden in MY life. If the people who make my country great, don't want to have children either and if they not having children would have a negative impact in my life, in my well-being somehow, then I'd encourage them to have children so MY country can keep being great with a stable economy till the rest of my days. But then again, that's an egoistic approach. I could even have children if that's the only option, but that would be an extreme egoistic act. And if they all decide to not have children, I'd be fine with that as well. I'd find a way to live with what's available.

I also would like to point out that if you think that life has a higher purpose, a meaning, so to speak, you'd understand that procreation is but an small act and "things" would still go on without you or your "contribution".

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Nathan Watson
Nathan Watson

Good try but not quite.
The 'rational' intellectualist faggot thats just watched a few youtube videos is putting up a front of happiness & purpose. But when pressed, like when i push his stance to its end point. He has nothing but
enjoyment
to reply with.
He is essentially nihilist with a veneer of reason.

Hunter Murphy
Hunter Murphy

I understand your point and I think that's a very wise way of interpreting it, however it all falls down to it

Even the very act of reproduction can fall into this idea of "creating to consume".

Brandon Campbell
Brandon Campbell

biological processes
abstractions. my experience comes before your alleged biology, experience is the realest thing there is and i experience the act of choice.

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

He can't e a nihilist because he has a purpose in life. You fight for your people and your race, whereas he "fights" for his own benefit and self-interest.

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

Even the very act of reproduction can fall into this idea of "creating to consume".
So you're planning to consume your own children? Wait wut?

Matthew Howard
Matthew Howard

Your problem is your 'egoist' solipsism.
If that is the best you can do then maybe you shouldn’t reproduce? It wouldn’t end well.
The universe exists beyond you & if you are too weak to handle that then you will be eliminated.

Jayden Ramirez
Jayden Ramirez

Show me exactly where cause and effect ends, and your magic begins.

Jason Stewart
Jason Stewart

Thats not a belief see: Its scratching an itch.

Benjamin Robinson
Benjamin Robinson

you are a living mockery of yourself

Daniel Clark
Daniel Clark

I try.
Elabor8 m88.

Wyatt Nguyen
Wyatt Nguyen

We are all the same being (God AKA infinite universal simulations) split into an unfathomable number of different lives to live and experience each created universe during whatever timeframe is habitable.

I live your life. You live mine. Separating our consciousnesses such that I was born in this body and your were born in that one is a fun little trick, one that makes us each feel like our own perspective is the only one that matters.

We are all playing out our particular roles in this simulation, predetermined by the seed which gave birth to it (in our case, our particular "big bang").

This is the reality of reality. Whether you accept it or not doesn't make it any less true.

Why am I saying this? Because my answers to your questions depend on this view of the world.

Why do you think the things you do is good and/or right?
Because no living being deserves to needlessly suffer, and people like me see the inevitability and the long term consequences of certain actions, systems, and ways of thinking.

What is good? What is bad?
What is right? What is wrong?
What is just and what is not?
Good is peace, love, family, and the option to be ignorant of the reality of this world without it being taken from you without your knowledge. Bad is unnecessary conflict, hate, suffering, deception, manipulation, anything that might cause long term harm to an individual or a group.

Where do your morals and beliefs come from?
Read above.

Why do you think pedophilia is something wrong?
Because it can affect someone's psyche for the rest of their life, almost always negatively. If someone has a repressed memory of being molested as a child, it will affect their trust in other people, especially intimate relationships. This becomes yet another barrier in a world where it's already difficult enough to form healthy relationships.

Why do you think murder is wrong?
Under most circumstances it is wrong. The only reason it should ever occur is to prevent suffering of a greater number of people than the individual(s) you're removing from the world.

Can you even be a moral person if you don't believe in any God and don't strictly follow traditions?
Yes but attempting to understand God (AKA infinity AKA all powerful and all knowing) is something that is a universal truth whether you accept it or not, and attempting to understand and form a connection with the parent system that enables your existence will inevitably lead you to good morals as it will help you understand the human condition in the context of… everything.

When you say you hate certain groups of people, do you really hate them or resent them?
There are groups of people whose natural genetic tendencies and belief systems are highly detrimental to other groups. While I understand that they are human beings with friends and families, the rest of us are much better off without them. The worst part is that they will never understand this and so their perspective is to just "take take take" because that's what evolution has ingrained into them. They don't realize they are slowing and dragging down everyone else. It isn't hate or resentment.

The understanding that we all live each others' lives comes with a disgust at obviously inferior ways of living. We want to optimize life for every living being in the long term, even if it means creating strife in the short term, because our strong ability to empathize enables the subconscious realization that the existence of other flawed human beings means that we have to live their flawed lives in other life timelines. It is a sickening feeling that most people are not encumbered by and thus motivated to eliminate.

Why do you think your country matters?
Why do you think "your people" need to survive?
It is every living being's right to fight for their independence and survival. Genetic evolution and the fight for survival is how we even exist to begin with, in our current form.

Why the next generation matters?
Why having children is important?
Why should you dedicate your own life to a cause that's not entirely egoistic? Why should we care about others?
Read above.

Aren't most people just unconscious egoists?
Sadly, yes.

Isn't "dying for my people" also a purely selfish act, since you're only doing it for your own well-being. Being a "hero" makes YOU feel good, therefore you're not really sacrificing yourself for others, you're doing it for your own benefit?
That's an oddly biased way of interpreting a "hero's" intentions. Maybe they understand that what I've outlined above with the realization that every life HAS to be lived and experienced one way or another, and if their sacrifice will improve the lives of many (many other life timelines to be experienced), then it is worth it.

Christian Rivera
Christian Rivera

The universe exists beyond you & if you are too weak to handle that then you will be eliminated.

Exactly, faggot. The universe exists beyond YOU, therefore having children or fighting for your country, dedicating your life to some ideology is pointless. The earth most likely is not gonna survive for all eternity. If you think being a natsoc and fighting for YOUR people gives your life a meaning, a purpose, a reason to go on, then that's okay, but be aware that that's just an egoistic act and you're doing it for yourself and not for others. And when you repress your wishes, you're sacrificing yourself for the sake of an ideology, an abstract idea and I don't think that's okay if you're doing it unconsciously.

For example, I think that pic related wasted his life. He fucking ruined his life. He had a great life before taking the so-called "redpill". If anything, he just harmed his cause.

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Ryder Cook
Ryder Cook

Sumer - Sun
Aryan - People
People of the Sun
People of God

That's who we are.

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Eli Reed
Eli Reed

having self interest precludes you from being a true nihilist

first of all you'll have to stop believing that "objective" reality is truer than your own experience. objective reality is an abstraction, it's a thought form you yourself have created that exists entirely within your own mind. everything you perceive with your sense organs falls into this category, indeed even your sense organs and brain fall into it. they are all illusion, whereas the ability to make decisions is something you experience directly.

your choices are both limited and infinite, things entirely out of your control influence them endlessly, and yet despite all this the experience of making a choice is there.

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

We are all the same being (God AKA infinite universal simulations) split into an unfathomable number of different lives to live and experience each created universe during whatever timeframe is habitable

Because no living being deserves to needlessly suffer, and people like me see the inevitability and the long term consequences of certain actions, systems, and ways of thinking.

You know that's not what 99% of people on this board believe, right?

Your point of view is very hinduistic, if you will.
Are you familiar with Hinduism or even Buddhism?

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Andrew Campbell
Andrew Campbell

experience is an illusion
<choices exist
eveything is a production of your mind
There are infinite things out of your control
<But you have control
Self-refuting nonsense.

Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross

everything is temporary so why bother
The Egoism/solipsism/nihilism you all comes from the same place.
Lets suppose that your egoism/solipsism/nihilism is correct. Why does that result in your self indulgence & petulant apathy? Why is you & your friends views so pathetic & selfish? Even if helping others is egoism, what of that?
The ugly truth of your views is that they arent 'rational' like you claim but simply a manifestation of your inner nature that id proudly displayed for all to see who bother to read it.
Petulant, selfish, arrogant, petty, vacuous. You & your friends have demonstrated this with every post.
Your character is demonstrably worthless, even to yourself.
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Robert Lopez
Robert Lopez

I just want your opinion on morality and your opinion on what is bad and what is good, right or wrong.
Another datamining thread. Why do moderators tolerate this trash?

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Mason Murphy
Mason Murphy

I think is a bunch of faggots that just watched some Nietzsche videos on jewtube or something. lol.

Jaxon Morgan
Jaxon Morgan

At some point you may realize that you are human and operate at that scope. You matter as much to the rest of the universe as it does to you. Two galaxies collide on the other side of the universe. Do you care? No. Billions of alien worlds are being destroyed right now. How many fucks do you give? Absolutely none.

Logan Perez
Logan Perez

It's true.
I remember I listened to a reading of Hindu theology, and it claims that if life is meaningless, then why be negative of this aspect of existence rather than positive, since all outcomes quantify zero in an impossible void.

People who are upset about self-creative methods of thought and performance are not bold enough to embrace the freedom the universe offers. They sit around, being vacuous slugs, like you say.

Bentley Peterson
Bentley Peterson

I'm a Christian.

The vast majority of Christians have the same understanding that I do, but they either A) are unable to articulate it or B) don't have the necessary neural pathways to form these abstractions in their conscious mind, so they follow scripture tightly (as they should) because they know deep down that it is right.

Christianity aligns with this much more than you think.

< "Do to others as you would have them do to you." - Luke 6:31

This is because we are all the same being. If you harm someone else, you're only harming yourself in another life timeline.

< "With God all things are possible." - Matthew 19:26

This is another way of describing infinity. Early humans had no other way of describing this concept.

Regarding most Christians' view of human life as being special (it is)… Human life is more important than animal life because human consciousness is much more aware of its body. You could also make the argument that certain human races are more animalistic, less conscious, and thus, less important.

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

Even if helping others is egoism, what of that?
Nah, I said it's okay if you're aware of what you're doing and it's benefiting you somehow.

"Believe in something even if it means sacrificing everything"
I agree with that.
But it doesn't say that it means sacrificing everything for others.

Your character is demonstrably worthless, even to yourself.

I'm just an individual who values individualism more than anything because I'm the only one that matters.

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Blake Powell
Blake Powell

misquoting isn't an argument
experience is an illusion
objective reality is an illusion, experience is real.
There are infinite things out of your control
<But you have control
you aren't in full control of your mind, you didn't choose to exist or choose the conditions of your existence, yet right now you could choose to close your mind and attempt to abolish all thoughts from it. you can choose to become lucid and view yourself and your thoughts from a distance. you can say that you're only doing it due to an outside interference, but the choice is there, you know it as you do it, and something that is experienced directly cannot be refuted with abstractions as in materialistic determinism. the material world isn't even there, you created it, even within the parameters of your own worldview this is true, eyes send signals to the brain which then creates an image. once you've started reducing down, it's a necessary step to realise that the eyes can not be proven, only the image.

Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

So you're against killing criminals because you value their lives?

Gavin Collins
Gavin Collins

We're beyond morality and whats right and wrong. The only thing that matters anymore is the survival of the white race by any means necessary

Joseph Gray
Joseph Gray

beyond morality and right and wrong
something mattering
pick one

Henry Nelson
Henry Nelson

brainlet

Hunter Gonzalez
Hunter Gonzalez

Never said that, nor did I ever imply it. I eat a lot of meat.

I'm against the suffering of all living beings. Sometimes that means quickly ending their lives. In the case of animals and eating them, hunting is the best method. I don't like factories.

We exist because our ancestors killed and ate other animals. It is part of us. It is who we are. It's part of this universe which enables our very existence. That is why the bible says these animals were put here for us to eat.

Dominic Rivera
Dominic Rivera

Even if helping others is egoism, what of that?
Nah, I said it's okay if you're aware of what you're doing and it's benefiting you somehow.
& yet egoism is not 'de way' There is more to existence than chronic masturbation as a world view. But if you really are this autistic then it would mean nothing to you.

"Believe in something even if it means sacrificing everything"

I agree with that.
Except you dont. See:

But it doesn't say that it means sacrificing everything for others.
For something more than your egoism. All that results in is this:
'He' chooses vacuous entertainment in the pursuit of fleeting enjoyment to east the otherwise tedious passage of 'his' meaningless life in the vain hope of a net gain in enjoyment by the time 'he' dies.
This is your life.
Its pathetic.

Your character is demonstrably worthless, even to yourself.

I'm just an individual who values individualism more than anything because I'm the only one that matters.
Exactly. You demonstrate your worthlessness without conscious awareness. The above statement proves that you will never be anything but a bug man larping as a real boy. Wallowing in your feckless consumption.
I ask you the same question that i asked your friend:

Not for the sake of it. To avoid the certainty of further suffering. Is this not 'rational' self interest?

It is certain you will die at some point.

It is certain that you will get sick, probably very sick.

It is certain that society & all those lovely potato chips is going down the shitter, its observable.

It is certain that all your happiness is temporary.

What purely rational reason do you have to endure if all you have is sand castles & chronic masturbation?

Wyatt Jackson
Wyatt Jackson

The only thing that matters anymore is the survival of the white race by any means necessary

Why?
Are we tribalists now? Listen, I'm not judging you. I don't want niggers near me because I think they're gross and ugly. I don't care if they're violent or not. Maybe I could use some of them for my own benefit, but then that'd be a different approach. While I'm on this earth, I want to be surrounded by beautiful things, therefore I don't want niggers around. I don't hate them, I just don't want aesthetically unpleasing things around me, but I'd never sacrifice my life to defend other people.

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Connor Edwards
Connor Edwards

why interrupt my consumption, complaining & fornication?
Why not cut your wrists?

Ryder Clark
Ryder Clark

If you kill all human beings right now, then that reduces the suffering of potential lifeforms in the future.

Samuel Flores
Samuel Flores

The only thing that matters anymore is the survival of the white race by any means necessary
The only justification I can find for striving for this is that "I want it". And I want it badly. Sure I can make psychological and biological arguments for why this is so, but it all boils down to egoism I guess. Do I need a deeper justification? Not a rhetorical question, I'm all ears.

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Daniel Barnes
Daniel Barnes

egoism
please stop with that stupid word

Colton Martin
Colton Martin

Now this user needs a doctrine to live by. Needs his feelings of right and wrong validated to give life meaning. Take that away, and nothing matters to him.
you aren't in full control of your mind
NPC projecting its thought processes on other people. When will these proto-humans leave?

Charles Parker
Charles Parker

The word is loyalty & you don’t have it.
It far exceeds petty egoism.
Its like arguing with a nigger.

Jack Perez
Jack Perez

you're one of these new-age 'you gotta give life your own meaning man' types?
NPC projecting its thought processes on other people
close your eyes and think about nothing. do that for a minute, literally zero thoughts for 60 seconds. try it, report back.

William Clark
William Clark

Thats a lot of your time spent on "enlightening" others very selfless of you. Egoist are just people with more time on their hand than brain cells in their head.

Nathaniel Morgan
Nathaniel Morgan

Not him, but my justification is this No, I don't have any moral or higher purpose for why I don't want niggers around. It's for aesthetic purposes only. I want only whites around me because they aren't as ugly as niggers. That's my justification. I don't care about next generations, though. I'll be dead, why should I care.

Joseph Anderson
Joseph Anderson

Nah, m8, he as well as me just doesn't have anything better to do at the moment. Why not boost our ego by arguing with strangers online?

Leo Fisher
Leo Fisher

if you think life is all about feeling good and you then spend it arguing with strangers on here you are one sick puppy

Christopher Jones
Christopher Jones

I think an ulterior motive is at play here, you're just trying to help others.

Elijah Thompson
Elijah Thompson

ffs, even the towel is excited!

Luis Hernandez
Luis Hernandez

based OP

alamut.com/subj/the_self/stirner/prefaceEgo.html

Isaiah Nguyen
Isaiah Nguyen

Ok. Give me another.
That's my first post, and I'm not arguing. I asked a question. Loyalty to the right person is cool.
I'm just looking for answers. Sometimes it's quicker to ask.
Maybe I'm trying to "universalize" what is specific to me as a white man. What is good?

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Luke Foster
Luke Foster

To help the dozy faggots ITT & lurkers i guess, here is the basic version:
Natural Law is Reality - Truth - Morality.
Reality because it is how existence operates, its structure.
Truth because reality & its rules must be true by definition.
Morality because reality & its rules are the only correct guide to proper conduct.
Thus:
We follow Natural Law as a moral guide because it is the observable truth of our existence.
We do this out of respect for the truth, duty to ourselves & loyalty to our blood as Natural Law demands.
To not do so is as insane as cutting of your dick & calling yourself Caitlin.
Egoism, solipsism, nihilism & atomised individualism are all either irrelevant or immoral.

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Michael Green
Michael Green

how do you know 'natural law?'

Logan Rogers
Logan Rogers

/leftypol/
trying to meme or be original
Good one.

Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell

What is good?
Destroy all non-whites off the face of the earth, then leave planet earth to find new enemies.

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

conscious egoism
leftypol

You don't know what you're talking about, kiddo.
Someone who values individualism can't be leftist.

Nathan Bell
Nathan Bell

objective reality is an illusion, experience is real.
They're the same thing, and you said as much by crediting everything to the mind, which is why I did not misquote. This is the logical deduction of your words. You still haven't shown me where cause and effect ends and independent, uninspired decision making (free will) begins.

you didn't choose to exist or choose the conditions of your existence
Exactly. Everything I am was decided without my input, the same as a rock doesn't get to choose its shape before rolling down a hill. Everyone tumbles through life the shape that they are, and that determines their course.

but the choice is there, you know it as you do it
Meaningless statement. Fluff. Show me where free will begins. Show me an act that is completely untethered by cause and effect. You can't.

Zachary Taylor
Zachary Taylor

Observation, testing, science etc…
On a basic level we can call physics, biology, chemistry Natural Laws. They are how existence works. The mechanics if you like.
On a more relevant level evolution is a fundamental law (natural Law) that governs all life & can be summarised thus:
The selection of the fittest by the prevailing natural or social ecology over time is inevitable.
From a practical perspective that is the most essential Natural Law we must be aware of.
Thus it is moral to strive to be the fittest not only as individuals but as a Nation in competition with all other Nations.
This requires will, discipline, self-sacrifice etc… and are thus also Moral when harnessed to the purpose of Natural Law.

Parker Mitchell
Parker Mitchell

Silent observation of the Natural World.
Meditation of your experience in it.
Sharing what you learn with your kith and kind.
Does it offer sustenance or poison to your people?
Instill or disregard per discovery.
Repeat.

Eli Foster
Eli Foster

This is my concern with talks of fixed natures. It is clear that the metals of the earth are lifeless on their own, but with certain compositions and electrical charge, they produce intelligence. This shows that nature as it pervades today is a latent material with custom variability. We can choose to make computers or cars out of metal, yet both are valid in their anthropocentric purposefulness, thus, unleashed nature-forms become selfish objects rather than fixed essences.

And if this is the case, then too can humans become custom, and so we have. We still have gender categories, but the substances which we consume today are changing the formation of our bodies, we have lost our "natural" (immature, previous) states of being and have transformed into new things, yet pertain to old modes of understanding. This is valid, but it puts notions of "natural law" at risk since nature is constantly self-transforming.

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Daniel Russell
Daniel Russell

obvious /leftypol/ shilling thread
is where this should have ended

Justin Green
Justin Green

Show me where free will begins. Show me an act that is completely untethered by cause and effect. You can't.

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Joshua Hall
Joshua Hall

anything philosophical is leftypol

Are you afraid of question? Can't defend your ideals?

Wyatt Wright
Wyatt Wright

egoism is philosophical

Nathaniel Lewis
Nathaniel Lewis

The very perception of selfish/selfless is subjective. I hate jews because they are a blight on my eyes yet I also hate them for the decadence they cause unto European countries. Which motive is stronger is simply up to the individual, whether consciously or unconsciously. Egoism is biased towards a selfish belief due to the very nature of the individual that believes in it, a sister philosophy can arise simply on the opposing idea or selflessness.

Christian Richardson
Christian Richardson

*of

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Adrian Rivera
Adrian Rivera

pseudo intellectual
valuing individualism
Laughable. Maybe next time try using on how Frankfurt School mass psychology is good for the society. Or maybe spouting another Ayn Rand altruism. Oh wait, all of these have been done which ended up with stagnation and collapse. Maybe try dilating and tell yourself of how special you are.

Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith

they produce intelligence.
No they don’t they produce A.I. Very different.

notions of "natural law" at risk since nature is constantly self-transforming
Only superficially.
The social or natural ecology can change but the underlying principles are eternal.
Survival is the most basic rule.

Nature: The emergent phenomena arising from the interaction of Natural Laws. To a national Socialist a place of truth & purity because it is a manifestation of Natural Law.
Artificial/man made: The conscious manipulation of nature & the interaction of Natural Laws to create things that would not naturally exist: Concrete, pencils, year round superabundance of food, hyper stimulating media, gender reassignment surgery, marxism, rain coats etc…
Some of these things are fairly innocuous but others can directly contradict Natural Law.
Marxism for instance assumes fundamental equality but reality & its structure, Natural law proves otherwise.
Tranny faggots can pretend to be the opposite sex yet reality & its structure, Natural law proves otherwise.
The spic/nig cycle. see pic related.
This ends badly for us because reality dgaf.

This means that awareness is an incredibly powerful & risky & we can no longer afford to be louche about our conduct or we risk destruction by degenerating into profligacy, perversion & weakness. This is visibly happening in white countries & look where it has got us? We will embrace Natural Law consciously as our Morality or we will cease to exist.

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Lincoln Miller
Lincoln Miller

But they are all so hopeless. Its like watching a child fucking things up. You kinda feel bad & want them to learn but they just cant get it.

Jacob Barnes
Jacob Barnes

They're the same thing
no they aren't, objective reality is a thought, it exists within your mind but it isn't your mind it's only within it. your perception exists within your mind but it isn't the entirety of your experience. the two aren't synonymous.
Show me an act that is completely untethered by cause and effect. You can't.
i never proposed to show you an act untethered by things outside of your control, as that's absurd, not even the Christian God would be capable of that as he cannot commit evil.
i said that we are limited and yet have endless choices, this is free will as i define it, and the proof of the choice is the direct experience of it as you make it. there is no better proof for the existence of something than this as everything you use against it is abstraction.

you've made a God of something subjective and temporary, what you call natural law is in constant flux and is experienced differently by different people. it's insufficient as an absolute to base everything else on.

Blake Richardson
Blake Richardson

I will just leave this here for you.

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Ryder Thomas
Ryder Thomas

I was looking for something deeper, but if that's your final answer I'll roll with it.

It seems that most here fit into two groups (just a quick generalization). There are those that view life as material - like a videogame with goals to be met. Then there are those who are motivated by spiritual means. I am in the former, I guess, even though I believe in God. I would rather be in the latter, but religion hasn't made sense to me yet. Then there are posts like this which sound logical, but "look at nature" doesn't quite satisfy me, though I could be convinced. Maybe, I'll read Nietzsche, unless you guys have something better.

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Oliver Morales
Oliver Morales

you've made a God of something subjective and temporary, what you call natural law is in constant flux and is experienced differently by different people. it's insufficient as an absolute to base everything else on.

Its just how existence & especially life works. Eg:
The selection of the fittest by the prevailing natural or social ecology over time is inevitable.
The specific criteria may very with the prevailing ecology but the underlying Natural Law is eternal & always applies.
You can shit the bed if you like but its always there.

Andrew Diaz
Andrew Diaz

Sentience and Intelligence are different things.
Computers store and transfer information at greater rates than any human being, they are intelligent constructs, yet they do not possess an identity.
You are being very silly by opting for active opposition towards these "unnatural" entities if they simply cannot exist, it would be like being able to teleport - there is no concern for this idea because it defies reality, as we understand it today.
So what you are doing is calling things you don't like "unnatural" and things you do like "natural" - it is intellectually dishonest. Just be upfront about it instead of hiding behind categories of nature.
Your main concern is the preservation of the morality of tradition, just say this instead of stupid bullshit like "natural law", which, by the way, is completely appropriated by lolberts, not ethnonationalists.

Michael Phillips
Michael Phillips

Its a basic introduction.
Natural Law isnt quite Nature. Nature is emergent from it.
From the 88 Precepts:
2. Whatever Peoples perception of God, or Gods, or the motive Force of the
Universe might be, they can hardly deny that Nature's Law are the work of, and
therefore the intent of, that Force.
The profundity comes when you begin to realise that Natural Law isnt just mandatory but GOOD.

Nicholas Hernandez
Nicholas Hernandez

Nietzsche is much more complicated. Read Stirner instead. He's succinct and to the point.

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

You are being very silly by opting for active opposition towards these "unnatural" entities if they simply cannot exist, it would be like being able to teleport - there is no concern for this idea because it defies reality, as we understand it today.
The word is error. Marxism is an error because it is based on the incorrect assumption of fundamental equality. This causes the marxist to become a rabid dog chasing its tail attempting to remove the 'systems of oppression' that somehow keep causing the inequality that isnt suppose to exist. They will always fail but why permit all the shit that will occur in the process when they are demonstrably wrong? Why walk off a cliff?

So what you are doing is calling things you don't like "unnatural" and things you do like "natural" - it is intellectually dishonest. Just be upfront about it instead of hiding behind categories of nature.
Not really. Its about how reality works. The man made things arent automatically wrong but they can be in error & we need to be aware of that just like any other mistake. Simple.

Your main concern is the preservation of the morality of tradition, just say this instead of stupid bullshit like "natural law", which, by the way, is completely appropriated by lolberts, not ethnonationalists.
Not really. There are many mistakes if the past that we must avoid: Sexual infidelity, slavery, tolerance of perversion, the concept of peace as a moral good etc…
My main concern is to live in accordance with Natural law because we must & because it is morally correct. Both personally & as a people.

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

wew, egoism is a sinkhole of an ideology. You would do more for egoism by masturbating than wasting time on that tripe. That's my selfless advice to you, for free.

Lincoln Ramirez
Lincoln Ramirez

General Yuri Idol Discussion Thread

boards.4chan.org/u/thread/2923574

This thread is for:
*Screenshots, pages, and discussion about general series, current or old, not covered by an existing thread, be it yuri, fanservice, subtext or goggles. Canon and non-canon both welcome.
*News reports about things relevant to our interest
*Original content that doesn't fit any specific thread topics
*Pretty much anything that doesn't have or need its own thread.

Previous thread: boards.4chan.org/u/thread/2919562#p2919562

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Thomas Thompson
Thomas Thompson

it exists within your mind but it isn't your mind it's only within it.
You can't seem to decide whether you're a dualist or a non-dualist.

i never proposed to show you an act untethered by things outside of your control
No, but that's what I keep asking you to do, so obviously we're not talking about the same thing.

the direct experience of it as you make it
Show me where you make the choice. At what point are you free? You keep making this nonsense statement, but can't show where you are actually doing something, rather than just following your predetermined course based on acquired knowledge and genetic ability. Your shape is already set, thus your path is set. It's the same as the physics of a rock rolling down a hill. At no point is the rock deciding where it will go.

Grayson White
Grayson White

If fascism failed to overthrow the liberal system in WW2 then does this show that liberalism is more powerful as a testament to it's alignment with natural law? We understand that might makes right, but when certain systems become defeated through historical pressures, does this show an incompatibility, an error? Can we naturalise outcomes of violence to favour a logical fate?

Fukuyama understands liberal democracy as "the end of history" because of it's universality and positive feedback - maybe this is true in your model. The far-left and right seem to have trouble reconciling with the immense victory of capitalism in the 21st century.

Leo Ramirez
Leo Ramirez

OP, I break my morality into three parts: Purpose, Good, and Evil.

Nature is my barometer for moral purpose, what is best for evolutionary success is what is most moral to pursue, not merely the long-term propagation of genes resembling my own, but also the optimization of the genetics of those who are yet to be born (through selecting the most ideal reproductive partner possible, and through doing the best possible job of improving the environment an experiences of others - especially those still in development).
The North European race is optimal, and thus I am white supremacist, the East Asian race comes in second with regards to merit, and thus I place them in second priority, the non-white races of the world, especially the jews, arabs, gypsies, niggers, spics, injuns, poos, and abos are a threat to these two races, and are parasitic upon them as a whole, therefore they can all get reamed with a wooden stake for all I care, if they fuck with my two fav races, they will receive no mercy (also ban race-mixing for the sake of all that is good in the world).

Moral good is utilitarian - create the highest ratio of
Life/Health, Positive Physical Experiences, Positive Psychological Experiences, and Justified True Beliefs
____________
Injury/Illness, Negative Physical Experiences, Negative Psychological Experiences, and Unjustified/Untrue Beliefs
This is over the long term, so a sacrifice of long term happiness for short term happiness (such as giving drugs to an addict) is not a move supported by this ratio.

The third is moral evils, these set a restriction upon what I can do to fulfill the previous two components to my morality.
The restriction is the Non-Aggression Principle, say what you want about (((objectivists))) and (((ancaps))), they have a good grasp of what it means to be evil when their philosophy is applied on a personal scale, everyone owns their person and property (including their business), and any external interaction with these things must only be taken only through the medium of the informed consent of the owner, otherwise it is aggression and a crime. Intellectual property and Slavery must be abolished.
There is more that they are right on, such as that charging any amount of interest on a loan, issuing a loan for the purpose of purchasing goods rather than for the purposes of investment, issuing banknotes that are not representative of (and therefore redeemable for) physical commodities (such as precious metals or gems), or issuing the currency of an entire nation out of a privately-owned bank, are all acts of usury and should be treated as acts of fraud, enslavement, and treason (death penalty for usurers).
I also like Kant's idea of never engaging in any act of deception or misinformation, never telling even the smallest of lies, and never concealing any relevant information, no matter how trivial.

is it spergy and complicated? yes, yes it is, but isn't that how a good moral system should be?
besides, it's only three parts.

Lucas Green
Lucas Green

promoting homosexuality
on Zig Forums
Take your literal faggotry somewhere else.

Thomas Jackson
Thomas Jackson

Morality is Truth. It is the self evidence of all natural existence as well as it's perverse artifice. It is the foundation from which all deviation must return with renewed understanding of itself. The contexts and historical evidences of all peoples places and times, all entities and environments, everything that will ever abide does so through a moral imperative that is the essence of it's identity and the limitations it is defined by. Everything is a continuum of morality, truth, or God awakening incrementally to itself. Humans and the knowledge of good and evil are the very contrived fabric that keeps them human. They pose the question to themselves for the answer they already have, but ignore.

Isaiah Long
Isaiah Long

'fascism' failed.
Except it didn’t. The economic miracle & social transformation of Germany from 1933 was phenomenal. It succeeded brilliantly.
Even the eventual military defeat was only after five years of total war by the soviet, the British empire & the Americans (first materially then militarily) against a Nation the size of Texas that has been wallowing in filth just a decade before.
Sat you have a car that you fixed up from a wreck, works pretty well & then three dicks with sledge hammers smash it to bits after a tremendous fight. Did the car fail? kinda, but not in a way that indicates its weakness. On the contrary, like the 300 Spartans, WWII demonstrates National Socialisms strength against overwhelming odds & everything that has happened since then proves its truth by showing us its opposite.

The definition of absolute metaphysical failure is not being destroyed by massive external force but to have all the time, resources & manpower needed to enact your world-view & still fail because of its inherent incompatibility with reality. Both marxism, capitalism & liberalism fit that description. Not National Socialism.

liberal democracy as "the end of history" because of it's universality and positive feedback
lol.

Cooper Rogers
Cooper Rogers

The rule of liberal democracies is less than 100 years old. In context to the vast scales of time that is meaningless. Fascism/National Socialism has had more of an impact within the zeitgeist of humanity than either democracy or communism. Even in its physical downfall the ideology remains even when suppressed by the other two competing ideologies of our time.

Kayden Nelson
Kayden Nelson

Nice gaslighting, spook.

Nathaniel Howard
Nathaniel Howard

The Soviet Union in it's inception also had a massive economic boom and modern China has seen the greatest economic miracle in history. You are nitpicking.
You are delusional, there's nothing the west cares more about than reproducing liberal democracy. Because some people on imageboards larp as nazis does not mean that it is some immortal presence. There are also people who claim to be primitivists, this does not reflect it's validity.

Adam Butler
Adam Butler

The philosophy of National Socialism just points towards to the natural laws of the universe. What really worked during that period was strong, intelligent, determined people putting up a fight, which is the same thing that's working against us now.

Might = result.

Brandon Bailey
Brandon Bailey

how do you reconcile that they were not mighty enough to win?

Bentley Wilson
Bentley Wilson

Noted, thanks.
Natural Law isnt just mandatory but GOOD.
That is part of what I suspect, but am questioning that very idea.
Moral good is utilitarian - create the highest ratio of: Life/Health, Positive Physical Experiences, Positive Psychological Experiences, and Justified True Beliefs
Maybe… but I can see that used as justification for trans-humanism, and a lot of other weird shit. Just plug everyone into a computer, and everyone will be "happy" … forever.
Morality is Truth.
Maybe.
God awakening incrementally to itself
And what happens when God wakes up?

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Christopher Morales
Christopher Morales

The Soviet Union in it's inception also had a massive economic boom and modern China has seen the greatest economic miracle in history. You are nitpicking.
No, the soviets & maoists effectively enslaved their population at gun point. Their character & way of life was very different to National Socialist Germany. But then you wouldn’t know anything about that i suppose.
It wasn’t an economic boom, it was a transformation of peoples lives for the greater that transcended mere economy. They got their self respect & sanity back from the depths of depravity & it was all through the will & character of the German Nation guided by National Socialism.

Might is required. yes.

Dylan Anderson
Dylan Anderson

Steiner and Nietzsche are shit philosophers read Heidegger.

Daniel Perez
Daniel Perez

They were mighty enough to hold off three super powers for 5 yrs. Pretty mighty.

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

I think you are overestimating the social effects of the national socialist state.
not mighty enough

Mason Carter
Mason Carter

.Overestimating.
Not in the least.
Maybe you should learn more about weimar Germany.
not mighty enough
Neither were the 300 Spartans.

Lucas Wilson
Lucas Wilson

maybe you should educate me instead of making claims about a society neither of us experienced.
Many people say they are happy in Finland too, maybe this social model is supreme. There is not simply one way of living comfortably.

Grayson Brown
Grayson Brown

That is part of what I suspect, but am questioning that very idea.
Its a different moral compass to the parody of morality called sentiment.
Maybe… but I can see that used as justification for trans-humanism, and a lot of other weird shit. Just plug everyone into a computer, and everyone will be "happy" … forever.
Utilitarianism is too petty. Its elevation & transformation through struggle.
And what happens when God wakes up?
Warhammer 40K?

Eli Evans
Eli Evans

All government is sustained by the will of a people. Submission and obedience or dominance and authority are only maintained by the sovereign autonomy inherent to all participants. Any form of government will therefore only continue as long as it supports the will of the people who acquiesce to it, and will always decline when it seeks to subvert it and seperate itself from the people it depends to exist. The cycles of all government are testament. Power to and from each individual delegated inevitably breeds fear, ire, and covetousness that returns the will to each and there own when void of benevolence. Government will always be a reactionary form of renewed benevolence toward the will of the people in response to the malevolence of its predecessors dominion and seperation from the people.

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

God I am not talking about the jewish demiurge, you overeager faggots. is already awake, you don't understand. You are the one waking up to the reality around you.

user implies the idea that God is everything, not as an empty statement, but as truly everything. Every little particle, every abstract concept in existence, and all the things you've ever thought. Even some pack of niglets starving in an African shitvillage. All of this, small parts of what God is.

So when user says
God awakening incrementally to itself
He means in direct language
A person learning of the reality around him, storing it in his mind, becoming more like God in the process.

Jackson Stewart
Jackson Stewart

And what happens when God wakes up?
He already did, always.

Ryder Carter
Ryder Carter

the government is a construct formed from material limitations and a lack of dynamic modes of production, this is why neoliberalism is eroding the nation state in favour of the free market and private property instead.

Daniel Miller
Daniel Miller

I can also perceive Thanos in Avengers, that doesn't mean the essence of a Titan has emerged into our universal membrane.

Josiah Hughes
Josiah Hughes

A jew and his slippery slope

Eli Lopez
Eli Lopez

universal membrane
Nigger what? You don't need to talk like a nu-age retard for me to understand you.
A fictional character existing as funny moving pictures is part of God too, it doesn't make that fictional character actually exist physically. By the very definition, the fictional character exists fictionally. It is the same method as abstract things existing, without being physical.

Luis Davis
Luis Davis

You have me confused with someone who's not just distilling things to their core. Jews, then and now, possess more power than us. What will defeat them is greater power than they hold. Obvious, yes, but I don't have much appreciation for ideology discussion. The fact is whoever is on top is there because they followed the laws of nature, not abstract ideals.

Jeremiah Phillips
Jeremiah Phillips

maybe you should educate me instead of making claims about a society neither of us experienced.
There was a documentary floating around about weimar, take a look for it. Cant remember the title. Just dive in if you like.
Short version: Mother daughter prostitution teams. Lines of little boys & girls outside hotels for rent. Mass unemployment & exploitation. Marxist trash forcing people with jobs into unions. Violent political protests. Attempted takeover by commies at the end of WWI.
General chaos, depravity & filth.

Many people say they are happy in Finland too, maybe this social model is supreme. There is not simply one way of living comfortably.
I know you will just dismiss these pics but still, its a start.

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Tyler Morris
Tyler Morris

If anyone here, including op, is looking for a moral compass to datamine, hop on over to the qresearch board. (((They))) are getting shoah'd over there, what with epstein getting wikipedia so obviously whitewashed and all.

nb4 "Q is a psyop" Q is bringing down the (((pedos))). If that's not morality, I don't know what is. July is gonna be great, fam. Enjoy the show.

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

I never said that The Weimar Republic was paradise, I'm simply sceptical of the claims that National Socialism is an optimal form of society

Hunter Cox
Hunter Cox

In the most simplistic sense I believe that good is what you do for the sake of others and bad is what you do for yourself. This gets much more complicated though as I believe that people all have varying degrees of worth, at the top would be your family followed by close friends/spouse leading out towards your community and ultimately your people.

Lucas Stewart
Lucas Stewart

It was a good attempt at matching the enemy's force. A few changes to strategy and it could have seen Germany the victor. But a police state on the level Germany had doesn't serve much purpose without a powerful enemy. It's all a matter of context. Most people seem to be capable of extended periods of peace as long as there is not too much diversity of thought.

Nolan Gray
Nolan Gray


his thinking should be identified as part of such philosophical movements only with extreme care and qualification .[15] Heidegger was a member and public supporter of the Nazi Party. There is controversy over the degree to which his Nazi affiliations influenced his philosophy.
You have my attention.
You are the one waking up to the reality around you.
Well, I'm trying to.
user implies the idea that God is everything
We need to define what God is. Personally, I believe in and define God as the creator. As the creator, he is separate from creation by definition. However, what would God be without his creation? It boggles the mind. As long as we are specific, I do not have a problem with "God is everything" per se, but I usually suspect these people don't believe in anything.
Heiled. I'm glad he's up. What does he want?
good is what you do for the sake of others >bad is what you do for yourself.
Sound like what I've been told since pre-school, and I completely disagree. But you do qualify that with a hierarchy of who is important.

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Joseph Powell
Joseph Powell

Nah he sought to bring his message for the whole world, Christianity as a whole is inherently internationalist, the ethics and morals are universal hell even the name Catholic used to mean universal. So no not a national anything

Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

cancer left to spread

Jack Wood
Jack Wood

atavisionary.com/cathedral/the-cathedral-compilation-page/

Austin Kelly
Austin Kelly

What does he want?
Himself through you for others.

Zachary Cook
Zachary Cook

Why do you think the things you do is good and/or right?
Because they are.

Hudson Butler
Hudson Butler

We need to define what God is.
As the creator, he is separate from creation by definition. However, what would God be without his creation?
I do not have a problem with "God is everything" per se, but I usually suspect these people don't believe in anything.
Think of it this way: God is the mind, and his creation is what he imagines. This is more of a metaphor for "God created the universe out of himself." than something to take completely literally, but you can see the similarities.
Now, let's apply that to what you said and asked. What would God be without his creation? Well, he'd just be*e* himself, a mind that is not thinking. God is not separate from his creation by definition, it is the same degree of separation between your brain and what it thinks. What is there by definition is at least a distinction between the created and the creator.

You should now see what I mean with coming closer to God by understanding more of reality. He's the big guy storing it all within himself, after all.

*Alternative view is that God created the universe out of nothing. Obviously, that would make everything I just said wrong.**

Sebastian Edwards
Sebastian Edwards

Fugg.

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Colton Powell
Colton Powell

Read Mein Kampf

Colton Stewart
Colton Stewart

Hitler quote
some baseless user drivel
muh random journalist said something I like
based socialism, based free shit
childhood nostalgia
Nice sources you have there you moron, also devaluing a disagreement by predicting it is a shill tactic, based.

Yesterday libertarian, today Nazi, then a pagan, tomorrow a commie, thats how you rats work, jumping from ideology to ideology.
No Proofs of "child brothels" or "starving christians", in fact this reminds me ofthe Albert Fish letter where he claimed he ate children in famine stricken China, more of a fetish story than anything.
Stop justifying history with lies, its a stupid leftist tactic that can only backfire when somebody exposes you and you lose any credibility.

Hunter Smith
Hunter Smith

Maybe… but I can see that used as justification for trans-humanism, and a lot of other weird shit. Just plug everyone into a computer, and everyone will be "happy" … forever.
Utilitarianism is too petty. Its elevation & transformation through struggle.

Agreed, Hence why I included the first part of my morality, it's the highest part that overrides the second part.

basically it's this:
first priority = evolutionary success + ascension
second priority = utilitarianism according to given ratio
Limitation and Obligation = forbidden from Violating the NAP or committing Usury, and required to minimize NAP Violations or Acts of Usury (in regards to interactions with others and under immediate circumstances). It's basically a ban on "Aggression" were my given definition Usury is counted as "Acts of Aggression", with the caveats of self-defense and defense-of-others against said "Acts".

Cameron Smith
Cameron Smith

good is what you do for the sake of others and bad is what you do for yourself
Everything anyone has ever done has been for themselves. Self interest is the central component of every action.

Jeremiah Scott
Jeremiah Scott

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Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor

Morality is mostly subjective lol. Meaning what is good for one person or one particular group of people might actually be bad for another person or group of people. Anyone saying their arbritary moral standards is a set of rules that everyone has to follow is clearly being self righteous.

Carter Williams
Carter Williams

Have you ever felt COMPELLED to write down THE TRUTH? To go onto image boards and to PROSELYTIZE THE TRUTH? Great. Now imagine you're someone who sees TRUTH. Do you think the person who can capably understand TRUTH would find TRUTH SAYING to be of any importance whatsoever? Or is it that the unfettered WILL makes people want to SPREAD MEMES and that a person truly steeped in transcendent understanding would have no need whatsoever to tell everyone THE TRUTH?

I have long held that anyone who had anything worth saying would, BY DEFINITION, have no need to try to spread this Truth. There is a reason that writing, art, philosophy, and all other forms of TRUTH SAYING tend to come out of the mouths of and off of the hands of lunatics. The drive to proselytize is exactly the best gauge for the lack of actual meaning in that ideology. (Notice that it wasn't Christ who WROTE BOOKS; only the neurotic / schizo Paul who needed to ram it down everyone's throat.)

What I'm saying is this: Art, literature, philosophy, social movements, &c. are all pus. They are the leaking, stinking detritus from a wounded human.

Thomas Robinson
Thomas Robinson

This thread is about morality. JEWS OUT. It's a goyishe thing.

Logan Gray
Logan Gray

<waves of maggots over oceans of rot
I always wanted to hold a salon over such issues. Do you bathe?

Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

Why do you think the things you do is good and/or right?
What is good? What is bad?
What is right? What is wrong?
What is just and what is not?
Where do your morals and beliefs come from?

If you follow the Natural Law, then you do not need to ask these questions anymore.

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Aiden Thompson
Aiden Thompson

Literally this. The Dharma doesn't need prosecutors.

Jose Phillips
Jose Phillips

Self interest is the central component of every action.
The Self is defined through the Other it is not, and mediated by the All it includes or excludes. Self interest is all there is, and moves through concentric expansion and contraction.

James Watson
James Watson

How'd you find out? Who are you talking to?

Dylan Harris
Dylan Harris

It's a goyishe thing.
Jews promote morality to goys all the time because it makes us easy to control. Meanwhile they follow only the natural laws that can't be broken, so they have more options by which to attain victory. This is why they win.

Brandon Martinez
Brandon Martinez

Meditation 101. I suppose the argument that one needs to be told that DOING NOTHING is a viable option undermines the whole theory. Alas. Society is a fucking egregore, and the egregore is sick. It will be culled, as they are.

Kikes are the masters of unnatural law. The only thing they have won is the right to be prison warders in the concentration camp they've created.

Carter Price
Carter Price

You're probably mistaking the experience of deliberation for evidence that you make your choices without influence by external events.
Eg I put a watermelon and a box of fried chicken in front of a nigger. And ask him to pick one. He looks at one, then the other, back and forth (deliberation). He then shoots me, grabs both, runs off and when the cops catch him, tries to wrestle them and gets shot 30 times. Before he dies I ask him, did you choose to steal the stuff. He says yes, "of cose I did" (despite the fact that his nigger genes were decisive, and he didn't choose his parents). In fact he feels smug for having stolen both rather than picking one, and takes that as evidence he chose. I point out he didn't choose to feel smug nor how smug nor when - he's just a prideful nig, made that way by forces outside himself. I ask if he chose to wrangle with the cops, he says of course, etc.
At no point is there an "i" that controls this guy's experience, uncaused by external factors. It is just one experience after another. Just like this now.

Jaxson Bennett
Jaxson Bennett

I can see now.

Levi Myers
Levi Myers

Why do you think pedophilia is something wrong?
Why am I not surprised.

Eli Cook
Eli Cook

Where do your morals and beliefs come from?
God and basic biology.
What is good? What is right?
The following of natural law/God's law (hierarchy, healthy familial relations, self sacrifice, spirituality, selflessness etc)
What is bad?What is wrong?
Deviation from natural law (the destruction of hierarchy, broken households, hedonism, rejection of metaphysical ideals etc.)
Can you even be a moral person if you don't believe in any God and don't strictly follow traditions?
Yes, morality is just a reflection of natural law, however most self confessed atheists just use their atheism to chase hedonistic ideals.
Why do you think pedophilia is something wrong?
Having sex with a child who hasn't gone through puberty severely destroys the child's mental health and makes them resent ever having sex or drives them into suicide, thus no offspring.
Why do you think murder is wrong?
Generally because murder serves as a function to someone's hedonistic lifestyle (thrill killing, killing someone so they don't get caught with something, abortion etc.) and because it is an unjustified act of killing your own tribesmen.
Why do you think your country matters?
Because it is a large factor of how the next generation of my extended family will be culturally and racially.
Why do you think "your people" need to survive?
Because they're a result of thousands of years of legacy which has produced me, to throw away my racial history as arbitrary or unimportant is selfish.
Why the next generation matters?
Because they determine how my race will be in the future.
Why having children is important?
Because it further progresses my race and legacy into the future.

Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

Everything anyone has ever done has been for themselves. Self interest is the central component of every action.
On a psychological level I agree with this, but it's too easy to confuse this with and justify anti-social behavior. The Sith Code is true, but don't be a self-enlightened fedora sperg.
I have long held that anyone who had anything worth saying would, BY DEFINITION, have no need to try to spread this Truth.
And howd’ya know that?
This is going off on a tangent, but I'll do it anyway. It's important to my reasoning, it may help someone else, and it comes up every time. This is the problem of definitions (semantics?). We are limited by human language, and so we absolutely must talk in terms of 1's and 0's, black and white, yes and no. Now we can discuss shades of gray, fractions, and maybe's, but they will always be in relation to these definite opposites. We simply cannot understand the world any other way. For example, I use one defining line (creator/creation) in my example of God for a reason - people can mean all sorts of things when they say God. So let's take how you tried to explain God.
God is the ‘’’mind’’’, and his creation is what he’’’ imagines’’’
Except this is the exact thing I said except replace mind/minded or imaginer/imagined.
God is the ‘’’creator’’’, and his creation is what he ‘’’creates’’’
(Now I don't want to tell you what to think, but bear with me.) ‘’’Your point’’’ is that you ‘’’can’’’ imagine God without his creation. My first point is (1) that you *cannot* do that if God is defined as the creator, and my new point (2) you *can* do that if you define God as something else/additional to being the creator.
Now take your mind analogy.
a mind that is not thinking.
it is the same degree of separation between your brain and what it thinks. What is there by definition is at least a distinction between the created and the creator.
The reason this analogy does not work for what I’ve been discussing, is that we define mind/brain as more than just “a thinker”. It is also the center of the human nervous system, a pink blob of flesh, memory storage, and whatever else. If we remove one part of the definition we can still define it by its other parts. The problem with discussing God is that people will jump from one definition to the other by accident, (or worse on purpose), and nothing is actually discussed.

Anyway, that’s my shit spaghetti, hope you like it. I’m going to lunch, but I’ll be monitoring this lefty slide thread if anyone cares to respond.

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Aiden Cruz
Aiden Cruz

confuse this with and justify anti-social behavior.
So basically "Don't tell the truth because idiots won't understand"? I'm not a world leader, I don't have to worry about that.

Dominic Brown
Dominic Brown

This is a data mining thread.
They'll get the most popular opinions or beliefs and formulate ways to attack you, break down your beliefs, and divide you. They'll use it to better mimic the average Zig Forums user and/or feed the gathered intel into their AI.

Blake Wright
Blake Wright

Everything on Zig Forums is data to be mined. There's nothing special about this thread. Most users probably have no interest in the topics here. Passionate philosophers are few and far between.

Liam Sanchez
Liam Sanchez

Anything on the clearnet is always datamined. Unfortunately nowadays people think they can have actual discussions and feel they should share their actual opinions on the internet.

Austin Barnes
Austin Barnes

You obviously mean that figuratively, but I used to be able to do that literally. it's not worth it

Easton Bailey
Easton Bailey

People never get this right. It's pretty simple, really..

Humans are animals. We have an optimal environment. Any person, behavior, or object that takes us further away from our optimal environment is evil. Any person, behavior, or object that brings us closer to our optimal environment is good.
Obvious first question is, who decides what type of environment is optimal? Well, as humans we have the same basic needs, but our complex social and behavioral needs are different. So, obviously we should strive to meet all basic needs shelter water food while simultaneously offering enough variety in lifestyle so the maximal percentage of the population is fullfilled.
Certain things obviously cause more harm than good - If pedophilia is allowed, the pedos will be happy, but obviously a lot of kids are going to grow up and realize they were tricked into sex with a preying adult, and they'll probably grow up angry or depressed - so (and it goes without saying) pedophilia is not something to tolerate.
Morals are not subjective. They're real, and important. Sure we're all a little different, but we all belong to the same reality, and we all have to censor our idiosyncrasies on some level in order for society to function. Morals are important because they shape they social environment in which we live.

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Xavier Walker
Xavier Walker

I don't think this is the standard of morality, but I like the way you think. That's a good lens I can use to explain issues.
I doubt I'll get an answer to this, but does anyone have a goyish alternative to (((Maslow's))) hierarchy of needs?

Aaron Gutierrez
Aaron Gutierrez

I don't read much philosophy so I'm not familiar with Maslow

Aiden Mitchell
Aiden Mitchell

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Eli Carter
Eli Carter

Looks about right to me

Jacob Lewis
Jacob Lewis

<Born in 1908 and raised in Brooklyn, New York, Maslow was the oldest of seven children. His parents were first generation Jewish immigrants from Kiev, then part of the Russian Empire ( now Ukraine ), who fled from Czarist persecution in the early 20th century.[5][6] They had decided to live in New York City and in a multiethnic, working-class neighborhood.[7] His parents were poor and not intellectually focused, but they valued education. He had various encounters with anti-Semitic gangs who would chase and throw rocks at him.[8] Maslow and other young people with his background were struggling to overcome such acts of racism and ethnic prejudice in the attempt to establish an idealistic world based on widespread education and economic justice.

Dylan Lopez
Dylan Lopez

Everything revolves around quality of human biomass. That's it.
Example below:

Country

Isolate good or bad quality of human biomass.

Henry Lopez
Henry Lopez

Why do you think the things you do is good and/or right?

They are right in so much as they agree with natural law. Society and life should be conformed to the laws of nature. I ought to mention though the laws of nature included the psychical laws and higher laws.

What is good? What is bad?

Virtue is good. Degeneracy is bad. Virtue is that which tends to uplift, strengthen, and harmonize the individual and the race. Degeneracy is that which tends to degrade, weaken, and make dysfunctional the individual and the race.

What is right? What is wrong?

What is right is always the same and yet its particular expressions depends upon the individual organism and its nature. What is wrong is that which contradicts nature.

What is just and what is not?

Justice is whatever happens. What is not justice is what doesn't happen. All is just; all in accordance with the cosmic will.

Where do your morals and beliefs come from?

Nature.

Why do you think pedophilia is something wrong?

Odd question and assumption you put in there. Sexual relations other than that of marriage (which is for the production and exaltation of the family) is wrong. A lot of what pedophiles do is mess up little boys and girls and give them issues. A proper and loving marriage though to a young person is not an issue.

Why do you think murder is wrong?

Murder means unlawful killing. If the law is defined as the legalisms of our current society, it not necessarily wrong. If the law is defined as that which contravenes nature, then murder is killing without cause those whom are not meant to be ones enemies.

Can you even be a moral person if you don't believe in any God and don't strictly follow traditions?

The only tradition I know is tradition in the Evolian sense. As for God, you can believe in God and still be immoral, either by reason of ignorance or by having a perverse nature like the angels who rebelled against God despite knowing him

When you say you hate certain groups of people, do you really hate them or resent them?

I resent the failings of other races. I hate the degenerates.

Why do you think your country matters?

It doesn't. It is my race which matters.

Why do you think "your people" need to survive?

The white race is the most beautiful, intelligent, moral, and capable race. Everyone else wishes they were white. Whites are made in the image of god. Only the white race can advance forward the goals of life itself.

Why the next generation matters?

They continue our legacy and they are sentient beings who should be be degraded.

Why having children is important?

It's only important if you're healthy and white and have desirable traits.

Why should you dedicate your own life to a cause that's not entirely egoistic? Why should we care about others?

Mortality.

Aren't most people just unconscious egoists?

The question has no bearing.

Isn't "dying for my people" also a purely selfish act, since you're only doing it for your own well-being. Being a "hero" makes YOU feel good, therefore you're not really sacrificing yourself for others, you're doing it for your own benefit?

It is selfish in the Ayn Rand sense and there is nothing wrong with that.

Also I do a lot of stuff that doesn't make me feel good and keep doing these things. So I'm not motivated by good feels when I consistently choose actions that don't produce good feels.

You don't need to answer all those questions, btw, I just want your opinion on morality and your opinion on what is bad and what is good, right or wrong.

It all boils down to are you for or against nature. The jews are my mortal enemy because they hate nature.

Chase Cruz
Chase Cruz

What's the point of having IDs here if no one checks?

Xavier Phillips
Xavier Phillips

Hey tiny brain, if we're animals you'll surely be able to point me to other animals that develop and use power tools, can design engines, use complex language and build schools and hospitals.
Your entire post is worthless because you start with the premise that humans are animals (with the implication to have the same needs as animals) whereas at most you could say we're animals in a strict biological sense. Unlike animals, we have a strong desire towards self-actualization, not to mention infinitely better brains.

Isaiah Johnson
Isaiah Johnson

Jesus fucking fuck this thread is cringe.

Julian Stewart
Julian Stewart

<Hey tiny brain
user, the earth is older than 6,000 years old. Dinosaur fossils are not demon magic. The bible is the word of men, not God.

Isaac Bailey
Isaac Bailey

Pretty strong arguments that have nothing to do with my point, user. I'm glad you've proven that we're animals beyond to the shadow of a doubt.
Let's make a deal - you guys can be animals, as you please, and I'll be human. Fair?

Christian Rivera
Christian Rivera

Just because we have a unique nature, needs and intellect associated with us doesn't mean we're not animals. Your argument can essentially say that a lizard is not a reptile because it has legs, doesn't swallow its prey whole and doesn't have fangs like a snake.

Colton Sanchez
Colton Sanchez

No, my argument is that while, certainly, there are animals with unique traits (such as how the mantis male can keep having sex even when his head has been bitten off), we do not just have one or two traits unique to us, but a whole plethora.
There's no doubt we may have biological similarity to animals but you would have to be a fool to assume that the same holds true mentally. How many animals ever wonder if they are animals?
You cannot tell me that our technology, intellect, reflection and aspirations don't make us something clearly different and distinct from animals - and you have to be willfully ignorant to not acknowledge this.

Asher Lee
Asher Lee

Yeah everything's up to subjectivity. It's when you have logic and reasoning that makes the subjective objective. Sometimes one's logic and reasoning is faulty, but with evidence one can reinforce their beliefs as objective. Mistakes in one's rationale becomes more likely the more complex a belief is, yet again, like I said with evidence, it's a way to gain more confidence about a belief one has over a complex matter. The kikes understand this. This is why they reinforce imaginary memories that serve their plan via the media.

Dominic Long
Dominic Long

Heh… Good shot, kid… I'll admit, that wasn't half bad… But enough playing around, you're ten thousand light years too early to be challenging me. Step aside, everyone.

That method of thinking is called dualism. It leads to things that are not true, as we know each 'opposite' thing can exist by itself (Death is not the opposite of life. Death is something dependent on life to exist, they are connected yes. "Death" is the process of something turning from alive to not-alive. Are alive and not-alive the dual things, then? That cannot be the case with life being made at its fundamentals out of the not-alive. 'Evil' and 'good' are independent things that could exist easily without the other. You get the idea) , and so it worthless. What I am sure you mean is that due to how language works, words can only be defined relative to other words. Making it impossible to describe something only by itself.
but wrong is the opposite of right, right? so they're dual?
No. Things that are not real, do not exist. At all. They are nothing. Nothing can't be the opposite of anything, because it just doesn't exist. If it could be the opposite of thing, then it'd exist. It would be something. Don't you get it?

Now, you want to know what God is? THE God?
When I said "everything", I meant it. The important part that the creation comes from, is his mind. He has intelligence. He has a will, all that. Big guy, do I have to define this for you? You have a mind of your own, you should understand what the fuck I am talking about. I did not mean anything specific like 'thinker' or 'observer'.
everything? so hes the universe? that doesnt mean anything, might as well believe in noth-
Allow me to cut myself off right there. You do not understand, nigger. God is every single God-damned point in time, point in space, idea, thing that ever was, all existing as one singularity. Don't think of a wall made up out of smaller bricks, this is just one thing. One. Think overlapping circles if it makes sense to you, all those other things are merely more specific forms of a less specific, each existing in the thing less specific, until it hits the least specific thing himself, God. Does imagining it as a finger to a hand work for you? I'll rephrase this over and over until you understand.

Somewhere in that eldritch mess of a being, an intelligence exists. He thought about the only thing he could, himself, and created the world, or creation, or whatever you will call it. Do you know what you are, dogfaggot? You are that intelligence's imaginary friend. You are the tiniest little part of the only God, pretending to be an even tinier person. i.e. your mind is an underlapping of the 'real' one, a slurry of underlappings if you include the ones necessary for your brain and body to exist.
Do not think that the passage of time applies to any part of God. God's mind is not in the process of thinking anything, to us, it already thought everything. Time is the chain that links event to event, and with every single event being a part of God, it doesn't apply to him.

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Christopher Green
Christopher Green

get a load of this kike
fighting for your people is just an abstract idea
nigger, people are real, and we are here because of our ancestors. they sacrificed for us, we owe it to our descendants to do the same.

you kikes will not be engaged anymore. reported.

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John Davis
John Davis

instinct. yes humans have those.

Cameron Allen
Cameron Allen

Morality is an emergent feature of evolution
Moral behaviour is behaviour which nature selects for.
Put plainly, the strategies for interacting with others in social settings which lead to iterative success over generations are moral.

The above puts Hume's is/ought problem to rest and neatly provides proof of objective morality. The only way to argue otherwise is to argue against natural selection and the process of evolution.

Why do you think the things you do is good and/or right?
My behaviour is mostly conventional, I act in ways which I can clearly observe have resulted in success for my ancestors and for those around me in the environment I live.

What is good? What is bad?
What is right? What is wrong?
What is just and what is not?
That which either results in iterative success over generations or that which leads to failure. It is for the most part exceedingly easy to make moral judgments based on the observable value of actions and unless you exhibit pathological behaviour the overlap between those judgments and what you might call "gut instinct" is immense.

Where do your morals and beliefs come from?
I am a set of genes expressed in an environment. The set of genes I represent are the sum total of my entire line of ancestry and it is currently expressed in an environment I too owe in large part to my ancestors.

Why do you think pedophilia is something wrong?
It is aberrant, the likelihood of appalling damage to both individual and community is immense and thus the behaviour is best condemned with no exceptions.

Why do you think murder is wrong?
Is it always? How many of the figures commemorated as bronze equestrians are responsible for the deaths of other humans? Fundamentally speaking there is no difference between taking someone's life in anger in an alley or on a battlefield yet one is just and the other is not. Clearly humans have an innate sense that murder can be justified given certain circumstance and yet most people struggle with anxiety over having killed someone, regardless of how justified the act might have been. We all have the capacity for murder in our blood yet there is also a strong sense among all but the most extreme exceptions that such acts should only be undertaken if the situation is truly out of the ordinary.

Can you even be a moral person if you don't believe in any God and don't strictly follow traditions?
Absolutely yes.

When you say you hate certain groups of people, do you really hate them or resent them?
No, I absolutely hate them.

Why do you think your country matters?
Because it is the country my ancestors built and the same genes that gave rise to the society I find myself in I carry in my blood.

Why do you think "your people" need to survive?
Why the next generation matters?
Why having children is important?
It is the natural and moral desire for any human to want to survive and to want their people to survive. It can be rationalized further but to do so would be entirely unnecessary. Getting married and having children is literally the highest moral good. To argue otherwise is an impossibility.

Why should you dedicate your own life to a cause that's not entirely egoistic? Why should we care about others?
Because the spark of brilliance you carry within you is also something you share with those around you. The more closely related someone else is to you, the greater the shared bond. You should care about your people because it has practical value, nothing in life has higher meaning. Also it's been proven that giving a shit about the success of others can have positive health effects for you as an individual.
Is any of this fucking registering with you? Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
EXPRESSING PRIDE IN YOUR PEOPLE WILL MAKE YOU LIVE A HEALTHIER LIFE

Aren't most people just unconscious egoists?
To an extent, sure. Now ask yourself what success unfettered egotism will net you in life.

Isn't "dying for my people" also a purely selfish act
Yes. You've got to remember that you're the end result of your line of ancestry, to sacrifice yourself for the good of a whole lot of other people who share that line of ancestry is perhaps one of the more selfish endeavours possible — if we accept this broader view of what the self really is. Another question is, will your act of sacrifice generates the desired result? Otherwise you just end up looking an idiot, a disgraced or even dead idiot perhaps. The positive potential any one individual is able to actualize is immense, to forfeit it should not be done lightly.

I just want your opinion on morality and your opinion on what is bad and what is good, right or wrong.
I've given you a lot more than my opinion, I've given you the fundamental laws governing human morality as well as concrete examples of how they should guide your behaviour.

John Harris
John Harris

This is a datamining thread.
I certainly hope so.
Everything on Zig Forums is data to be mined.
Anything on the clearnet is always datamined.

Macro-scale
1. There is no downside to everyone knowing the full implications of the Natural Law. The Natural Law is Universal; it applies to all Life.
2. The Natural Law is always creational; everything we know to be exists because of the processes of Creation.

Society-scale
3. The Natural Law can be thought of as an organizational system for gardeners… where the garden is our planet, our societies, our friends and families. Yes, occasionally we have to do some weeding, but always we have as our goal making a better garden.
4. Yes, the Natural Law is self-centered and self-serving, but it's also more than that. Anyone with an above-90 IQ quickly realizes that the Natural Law is coordinated: individuals who follow the Natural Law can team up to form groups of common self-interest.
5. For those whom are so inclined in plumbing its depths, the Natural Law is spiritually rooted. This aspect of the Natural law can only be verified by those who undertake the most realistic cold-turkey self-realization they can.

I won't lead you on any further than you wish to go. If you are interested in learning more about the Natural Law, its universality and ubiquity, its creational processes, and whatever depths it may hold for you, there's precious few resources for you learn from. I will drop a hint, though, of from whom the concept might have originated.

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Connor Bell

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Julian Brown
Julian Brown

heh, nuthin personnel, kid
That aside you're right

David Sanchez
David Sanchez

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Robert Hughes
Robert Hughes

sexual imagery
submissive angle
disgust.jpg

Easton Morgan
Easton Morgan

Why do you think the things you do is good and/or right?
I believe in duty, including the duty to do the right thing, as well as think long and hard about what is the right thing.

What is good? What is bad?
I don't believe in the existence of good and evil, because there are too many contradictory definitions of those terms. See nietzsches slave morals/master morals. It can be good, what makes people successful and bad, what hinders success. Those would be aristocratic morals. It also can be good, what makes you weak, and evil, what makes others strong. Those would be slave morals. Good/bad and good/evil are very different.

Personally I'm more of an aristocrat than a slave, so my morals are more enabling than disabling, meaning, heavily freedom oriented, while I despise the trade in of freedom for security.

What is right? What is wrong?
2+2=5 is wrong, 2+2=4 is right.

What is just and what is not?
It's just, that you get what you deserve for what you have done or not done. No more, no less. Any deviation is unjust.

Where do your morals and beliefs come from?
I've thought about it, and heard the the opinions of others. My beliefs are, what I've concluded.

Why do you think pedophilia is something wrong?
I see pedophilia as something that can be very damaging to children, and I think, that one shouldn't engage in behaviour damaging to others. But I also think, that it depends on the conditions, whether it's wrong. There are places in the world, where child prostitution can be the only way to get food and shelter. Would you say, that those children should die, because pedophilia is evil, or would you want more and richer pedophiles to travel to those places, so the children at least get paid well?

Why do you think murder is wrong?
Because murder is damaging to others. But be aware, that I believe in selfdefense in a very wide sense, and so it's very easy for someone to lose his right to live. If my only two choices were to either to accept, that you steal one of my apples, or shoot you in the face, I wouldn't see anything wrong with doing the latter to prevent the former.

Can you even be a moral person if you don't believe in any God and don't strictly follow traditions?
I do believe, that someone can either learn or conclude logically, how he should behave, and behave in this manner. So someone can be a moral person without god and traditions. Additionally, there are bad traditions, and gods are open to interpretation, so someone can be bad because of gods or traditions.

When you say you hate certain groups of people, do you really hate them or resent them?
No, not really, but I consider it to be a posotove thing, when they die.

Why do you think your country matters?
Actually, I think my country must be destroyed, because it is detremental to the biological existence of those it represents/enslaves. It also reminds me of the biblical definition of evil, so kill it with fire.

Why do you think "your people" need to survive?
What are my people? I think, that it's a good thing, that I exist, and therefore it's a good thing, if more like me will exist. So I have to lay the foundations for the existence of more of my own. In the same manner, people like me in the past wanted there to be more of them, so they laid the foundations of my existence.

Why the next generation matters?
Because the generation before me thought, that I matter, even though I didn't exist yet, and that was a good thing.

Why having children is important?
It is important, if someone wants the genes, by which he was created, to continue their existence. But it's certainly bad to have children, if someone doesn't want to exist himself.

Why should you dedicate your own life to a cause that's not entirely egoistic? Why should we care about others?
Everything is egoistic. Altruism only happens out of egoistic motives. Even selfsacrifices happen out of egoistic motives. There's nothing wrong with being egoistic.

Aren't most people just unconscious egoists?
Yes, they are.

Isn't "dying for my people" also a purely selfish act, since you're only doing it for your own well-being. Being a "hero" makes YOU feel good, therefore you're not really sacrificing yourself for others, you're doing it for your own benefit?
Yes, but that doesn't mean, that others can't benefit from egoistic acts. Actually, the world seems to be organized in such a way, that there is no contradiction between egoism and the "general welfare", if you want to call it as such. From a genetic standpoint, it might further the copies of my genes in others, if I sacrifice myself to save/benefit them. Imagine a spider, that is eaten by its own youngs, which by this sacrifice enables hundreds of copies of itself to survive. Evolution does pressure for that kind of egoism, and it can be found in humans.

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

being a egocentric cunt is philosophical
this is what jews actually believe

Jace Gonzalez
Jace Gonzalez

Your interpretation of that pic is completely different from mine. I don't see the pic in sexual terms, nor for that matter in terms of domination/submission. I was hinting at the creational aspect of women, and what a joyous, beautiful thing that is, worthy of celebrating.

Wanting to interpret the pic as sexual, and cover up the creational aspect of life out of misguided prudishness might be a reflection of your own inner process.

Ayden Flores
Ayden Flores

why does the FBI even bother paying these people to post here?

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Easton James
Easton James

Kike subversion detected
Why do you think your country matters?
= (((goyim accept my nihilism, everything is randm)))
Why do you think "your people" need to survive?
= (((goyim, your ancetors lived and died for you, but just forget that, you can not be proud of your people because you are random, but make sure to pay those holocaust reparations)))
Why the next generation matters?
= (((goyim, do i have to get even more overt in trying to subvert you?)))
Why having children is important?
= (((Do not make any children fellow white, because this means white genocide)))

JEW You are found out!
GET THE ROPE!
archive.org/details/TheNatureOfZionism1993-VladimirStepin

Nicholas Young
Nicholas Young

Cork it, kike

David Sanders
David Sanders

hypocrite

Samuel Hill
Samuel Hill

JEWS OUT

Jace Sanders
Jace Sanders

JUDEN RAUS

Juan Kelly
Juan Kelly

Then expose it?
Or just hope its all lies . . .

Zachary Powell
Zachary Powell

i derive all my opinions from movies.

It wasn’t a police state you dumb nigger.

James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

Is that why you masturbate so much?

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

Good post
Have a picture of Hitler playin some sweet riffs.

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Jack Scott
Jack Scott

drop a hint
Can you be more clear? I Mcfuggin hate riddles.

Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts

No, you are not ready for that.

Tyler Rivera
Tyler Rivera

My apologies for being cryptic, user. Reading your comments, I can say that you are definitely on the right path. Ironically enough, all you have to do is relearn every foundational belief. (Sucks, huh? Well, we all go through it.) To get to the next level with the Natural Law, and this is very much worth getting to, you will have to give up… the way of Zig Forums. If you can do that, if you can accept that wisdom of not just absolutely direct honesty, but also gentle politeness, then when you question everything, you can listen and learn from others more. Maybe at that point you'll grok just how grand is our Universe, with space enough for every way of being. If you are still curious about the Natural Laws, look for their source from beyond time and space. The Universal Natural and Creational Laws are simply awesome, fascinating, entrancingly, achingly beautiful. To touch them is to touch the Eye of God.

Adam Butler
Adam Butler

Why do you think the things you do is good and/or right?
not everything I do is good and/or right
What is good? What is bad?
Beauty is good. Ugliness is bad.
What is right? What is wrong?
Might is right. Weakness is wrong.
What is just and what is not?
Desire is justice. Apathy is death.
Where do your morals and beliefs come from?
My mind and experience.
Why do you think pedophilia is something wrong?
Exploitation of innocence.
Why do you think murder is wrong?
It can be wrong, but some people just need to go.
Can you even be a moral person if you don't believe in any God and don't strictly follow traditions?
The sun will shine on a dog's arsehole, occasionally.
When you say you hate certain groups of people, do you really hate them or resent them?
I say what I mean, mostly.
Why do you think your country matters?
It's mine.
Why do you think "your people" need to survive?
They're mine.
Why the next generation matters?
They are an extension of me.
Why having children is important?
It's a biological imperative.
Why should you dedicate your own life to a cause that's not entirely egoistic? Why should we care about others?
Humans are social animals; we live in a society.
Aren't most people just unconscious egoists?
They're also social animals.
Isn't "dying for my people" also a purely selfish act, since you're only doing it for your own well-being. Being a "hero" makes YOU feel good, therefore you're not really sacrificing yourself for others, you're doing it for your own benefit?
More than one person can benefit from an exchange.

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Jacob Rodriguez
Jacob Rodriguez

It wasn’t a police state you dumb nigger.
It absolutely was. Read "Hitler's War" or "Into the Darkness", pleb.

Isaac Scott
Isaac Scott

gentle politeness
What even to the egoist faggots ITT?
Calling them cock gobbling fedora wearing faggots is not only fun but educational AND true!

Adam Morales
Adam Morales

libtard.

Juan Rivera
Juan Rivera

There is no good, there is no evil. There is only nature and those that go against it.

Xavier Bailey
Xavier Bailey

reminder that the "ego" is the biggest spook of them all

Zachary Ortiz
Zachary Ortiz

??????