Why is ethnic tribalism wrong? The means (racism) justify the ends (survival) You could critique the means and say they should take a different approach rather than using violence but why is the goal of survival of their people wrong? Speaking for all races here.
Why is ethnic tribalism wrong...
Jackson Murphy
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Samuel Lewis
Is this somewhat how your logic works?
Ayden Evans
"race" is, like "nation", an arbitrarially defined grouping with no underlying reality nor any useful, robust correlation with actual reality.
your attachment to it is idiotic, and humans have never really had this notion of "race" before modern times. "tribe" has had differing meanings across time and region, but it never corresponded to what you think of as 'race'. its always referred to small clans or arbitrary castes, where two such "tribes" might be extremely antagonistic towards each other even though they're exactly the same "race", and for that matter the same subdivision of the same race, according to what 'race' supposedly means.
humans have valued either their own family, with no regard for the extended idea that pepole who are not in their family but are more closely related to their family than someone else not in their family is somehow closer to them. other families are closer to you if someone in yours is married to someone in theirs, not if they look more like you.
or to those afformentioned ideas of 'caste' or 'clan', neither of which correspond to "race".
in a meme:
You've been spooked.
Jonathan Bell
You could critique the means, but I would rather critique your entire setup.
Your "goal" makes no sense. Your group is in no danger of being exterminated, they will "survive" even if you all fuck da blak poople.
And if your goal is "I don't want people to race mix" then you should justify your goal fist, before thinking of means.
To me this reads like "I know you guys dont like that I shoot people with automatic rifles, but how else would I murder everyone I dont like? What other approach could I take?"
Oliver Scott
Read Immanuel Kant.
en.wikipedia.org
If tribalism/racism became the norm worldwide, would you really like to live in that world? You would probably die in WW3. In the off chance you survive, you would die in WW4, which would happen immediately after WW3.
If openly genocidal Zig Forums rhetoric became the norm in the West, other countries/regions will adopt the same attitude towards the West. Do you think you can take on China, India, all of Africa and south America?
BTW, are you gonna lead the charge into the Congolese front lines, or are you gonna sit in the background with the rest of the generals, using your knowledge from paradox videogames to gain the strategic edge?
Kevin Nguyen
Never said anything about 'natural' That's your own inference.
Finns are not an arbitrary category, they are very real, they have a culture, they are a people, and telling them such shows them that you essentially want to destroy them, hence why ethno-nationalists usually advocate violence.
The culture and genes won't survive because it's about the collective not individual circumstances.
You could have people living peacefully with 'tribalism', global trade would still occur. I'm not sure why you think otherwise. The Japanese are already highly homogenised, and the other nations like China look out for themselves, not a blind vision for 'humanity'
Dylan Nguyen
yes they are. what really, fundementally seperates a finn from a central asian? nothing.
culture is not a collective posession, its a description of literally everything humans do, used to talk about how different things are done in different populations.
populations are fuzzy, dont match up strictly to the labels you give them, and dont have any value in and of themselves.
isnt it funny that a "peoples" can be "destroyed" without any actual person being destroyed, not even one?
Grayson Cooper
It's "wrong" inasmuch as it doesn't really answer any questions. If your question is "how do we survive" I think the options are so multitudinous that to assert racial lines as a guiding principle is just odd.
Oliver Moore
Ethnicity is just as important as biology, and Finns are not identical to Central Asians, they may share similar genetic alleles but ultimately they are different.
Robert Cook
Survive as a race.
Adam Taylor
That's circular, you're presupposing racial lines as to require drawing them.
Jacob Flores
Because it gets in the way of material fucking truths about how, let's say, you need infrastructure investment, investment in education, and invest ALL OF IT into being counter productive with attitudes which in the long term
NECCISITATE INEVITABLE WAR WITH ANOTHER REGION
It makes you, someone worse and more deluded than a fucking neocon. AMERICA HAS BEEN ETHNICALLY TRIBAL, WE SUPPORTED THE IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN WAR AND EVVVVVERYTHING BEFORE THAT WHEN IT INITIALLY HAPPENED. ONLY AFTER YEARS DID AMERICA COLLECTIVELY REALIZE "WHAT THE FUCK"
Don't do this mewling bullshit "ohhh ohhh it doesn't mean war", yes it fucking does. Your little project has always existed and you're branding it as something new, and with people as stupid as you, you'll let it get out of control two generations separated into making horrible counterproductive decision making and fall for Neoconservative/Neoliberal ideology that America is #1 the military industrial complex loves fucking selling you.
The problem, my idioitic friend, is that uncritical support of yourself blinds you to your weaknesses and opens you to the worst aspects of your society which only are set to increase the more separated you get from the initial genesis of the idea. So then you might say, "well you don't know that", fuck off, we both know that. You people are disingenuous
Gabriel Sanchez
What we should be asking is "Why shouldn't we allow ethnically tribal attitudes at this point in time". What we should be asking is "WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE ALLOW MORE ETHNICALLY TRIBAL ATTITUDES AT THIS TIME?"
Chase Johnson
goddamn I wanna impregnate that negress
Easton Myers
*What we shouldn't be asking.
Nolan Wood
Read Kim Jong Il.
Robert Bennett
Trump is Juche?
Luke Williams
No, Trump is a neocon.
Grayson Morris
I'm not sure how anyone can even remotely believe any of that.
Oliver Richardson
They are already drawn, as I mentioned, the Finns are an ethnic group.
You sound emotional rather than rational when you say 'don't say it doesn't mean war' without explaining why. You can't say that people who want to preserve their people hate other people, even Hitler had admiration for the Japanese.
Lucas James
Have you ever taken kindergarten biology? If you have children, your genes get passed on, no matter what race your partner is from.
Cooper Rogers
I just explained why. It's because it's inevitable. Why is it inevitable? Because you're focusing on how wonderful your entire society is wonderful it is, not focusing on its faults, and some random group of terrorists attack it because of your decision making later on at a certain point (Reagan arming the Mujhadeen); and then you allow people to scream war and you go to war and everything is fucking worse.
I know that's what happens because it's already happened. You're painting your ideas as something that's never ever occured before, that you're releasing the beast lol. This is American history, this shit isn't as new as you're painting it, it's always been there and look where it's fucking gotten us. Nowhere.
My point is there are no set limits or boundaries or checks and balances for what you're saying, and you're asking "why". You will never get that new car smell back, no matter how many times you get in your car. The car is the same, and you're trying to make it new.
I'm not being emotional, I'm simply insulting you for being retarded beyond most of my most basic expectations of your type.
Nicholas Walker
It's not "wrong" it's just retarded. I've connected with more people who were not my ethnicity over many, many things and race/ethnicity was not even on the list. If room A had a bunch of people whose race was the only I had in common with and room B was filled with people who had the same interests, hobbies and values that I did but were all ethnically/racially different I'd choose the latter 11 times out of 10.
Anthony Campbell
I'm trying to say rabid fanaticism about aspects of the self in capitalism ends badly several generations without control, and you're telling me I'm wrong. I've yet for you to explain why.
We can see how this unfolded several times over, never were the results, in the long term, good. For every action there are long term consequences, and just repeating "I'm great", and making people feel good about themselves, will not solve material problems and more than likely they'll result in confused aggressive response when challenged. It leads nowhere, there is no end goal to the idea other than, let's see a good example
oh
The Mai Lai massacre.
If I need to explain how again, you're essentially admitting you have no critical thinking skills. That or you're being disingenuous. For your type, might as well be both.
Jaxon Mitchell
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Wyatt Robinson
We don't want any baboons.
Landon Phillips
So Seychelles and Australia are bad examples of long term lasting groups.
Nice spooks faggot. If anyone's disingenuous it's you.
Joshua Scott
Yes. It also is the norm worldwide, which is why "diversity" even exists at all.
That doesn't even remotely follow. Simply wanting to preserve a culture or people doesn't mean you want to genocide everyone who isn't you.
Jayden Baker
What the fuck are you talking about. I'm telling you aesthetic fanaticism within capitalism in the long term exists only to strengthen government power and allow generations seperated from whatever initial policy that encourages such behavior, is going to lead to bad decisions.
The US doesn't need to be proud of itself, its race, or its power. Neither does Europe. Shit like this has only excused support for policy, what seemed to be smaller solutions to small problems, resulted in excuses for the military to make long term promises to larger term consquences, in and endless feedback loop gorging itself on dollars made from the military industrial complex; that is even needed to exist for capitalism to even survive without crashing at this point.
Attitudes like "Why can't we be proud of our country! my race!" well, m8, it's because there's not much to be proud of probably. The truth is everyone was that way and now it's only gotten worse and everyone has the ability to access information about what "proud of my country and heritage" has been used for as buzzwords for all kinds of bullshit.
Get a job baboon boy
Connor Richardson
Yeah sure thing, buddy.
Justin Walker
Considering the fact that capitalism is commodifying liberal idpol, it's likely that this would play more of an integrated spectacle. Even when these policies are withered away under socialism, the likelihood of social and racial tensions occuring are highly unlikely Seychelles and Tito's yugoslavia (before he died) being prime examples.
You're just spouting pseudo bullshit that you probably got from Alt-Hype or Zig Forums, while claiming to be "anti-capitalist". Now fuck off.
Elijah Russell
Because there is literally no value to any human race over another and thusly there is no need to plan for the survival of any of them.
Seriously stick your head in a swamp.
Jonathan Ortiz
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Christopher Hughes
For example
Hudson Miller
this is blatantly false LMAO
Dylan Thomas
I'm talking about the same thing you fucking dumbass
Easton Howard
No, it's true baboon boy. You don't have value. Your country would love you more if you went to Iraq and died.
Eli Morris
Fuck my Lai! Fuck Viet boons! All cat eaters to the mass graves? Yes!
Thomas Wood
And I later dispelled the fact that this would lead to ethnic tensions. Am I talking to OP or someone else?
Mason Carter
No baboons! Baboons back to the nigger ape JUNGLES!!!
By.e bye baboons!
James King
Fuck you nigger ape!
Cameron Gonzalez
No you didn't. Really, at at all
Sebastian Gray
Mods, baboon boy took adderall again
Brody Barnes
We don't want baboons! Baboons in zoos, not among people! All baboons in zoos? Yes!
Christopher King
=HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
and the race faggot denies evidence again. Seriously this is why no one takes you seriously.
Brody Garcia
Baboons with large asses and flat noses! Disgusting! In the zoos, not with people places???
Bye bye nigger apes!
Nathan Moore
Eek eek monkey want a Nana?
Xavier Lee
Not really, the mean has more value than the outlier. Besides, I'm speaking about current governments and the current situation f things, not hypothetical governments and hypothetical situations.
Christopher Diaz
Get off the fucking adderall baboon boy, your brain is melting
Easton Sullivan
Why do we need baboons? We don't need baboons! Baboons must stay in zoos!
Ian Anderson
Eek eek monkey HUNGRY?
Liam Lee
Not really, but you're taking extended release adderall by the handful in order to ban evade for over a year now doing this
Who does this baboon boy
Who is giving you all this adderall
Jose Davis
People in countries, baboons in zoos!
People in countries, baboons in zoos!
People in countries, baboons in zoos!
All baboons in the simian wing! Not with people! Eek eek!
Alexander Hill
He's becoming non responsive.
Baboon boy, do you think the adderall shitposting is helping you
Matthew Sullivan
Which again, is bullshit, considering that ethnic tensions aren't as bad as they were back then, and the likely hood of there being a racewar, especially after socialism is established (hence the examples of Seychelles and Yugoslavia) are null. On top of that, I don't see ethnic tensions in Australia or New Zealand for that matter, thus dispelling your notion of current governments.
humanrights.gov.au
So again, you're talking out of your arse as most of your kind do.
Aaron Price
Fuck all boons! Baboons in zoos!
Luis Walker
Maybe prior to the age of exploration, but certainly not once westerners started reaching far flung places.
An example that comes to mind is Bartolome de Las Casas who argued against American Indian slavery in favor of importing African slaves, who he argued were better suited to labor.
Grayson Hall
what about gorillas?
Liam Baker
NO BABOONS WE WILL PICK OUR OWN COTTON
Gabriel Collins
FUCK OFF APE
NO MONKEY BUSINESS
Lincoln Perez
Mason Foster
Oh fuck me, Ryan, at least you can act with more subtlety. They very least you could have done is cite Rushton, Jensen and Lynn, but they took funding from the Pioneer fund a known fascist organisation who publishes research that isn't peer reviewed.
Alexander Foster
Who is "we"?
All it really takes for a people to continue to exist is
1. Limit immigration, and
2. Promote their own culture
Not a single genocide needed.
Oliver Bailey
you have me confused for someone else and you don't at all understand what I said.
David Butler
That's what I've been saying you fucking idiot. I've been explaining national history. And I'm talking about how national history informs policies informs patriotism, and of course, informs national support for war.
There's nothing to be proud of, I'm not speaking on domestic terms, I'm not speaking of the past. For all you speak of Yugoslavia I can give far better examples of countries with far larger military industrial strength
Who are the problem. Their nationalism should never be encouraged, it's not patriotism, it becomes a threat. Why do you think people supported the Iraq War for so long
Under capitalism any nation with a sufficiently large military industry under capitalism, should become proactive in not allowing its populace to be proud of their country, because after a certain point it becomes blind support and idiocy for the most awful ideas.
I don't get why you're against the very idea, Americans shouldn't be proud of America or themselves, at this point. What the fuck is the point in being a docile grazing deer in the headlights supporting the car that's about to hit you.
Everyone in America should all at once heave and say "Fuck ourselves"
Cooper Lewis
America and Europe/NATO have done that for enough time, it's not time to double down. It's actually time to stop.
Jose Baker
All that would do would be replace the culture with what is likely to be a far worse one, if Islamic states are anything to go by.
Angel Gonzalez
There's a rule as old as the internet: Don't feed the trolls. Ignoring a troll is the only way to kill it.
John Wood
All baboons in zoos. This isn't difficult to understand. Shit skin == you must live in the sewer. It's simple. Bye by.e baboons!
Wyatt Moore
You are currently supporting the idea of a worse culture, who in the future would be more open to war, and blind idiotic fervor and patriotism in the inevitable event of terrorist attack, that only makes the world worse and the military industrial complex propping the market and capitalism up, to grow more and trt that much harder to see what they can get away with each successive war.
Frankly, if you live in America, or a NATO allied country, pride is not the emotion or word you should feel. You should feel angry and embarrassed
Leo Rivera
This is idiotic.
Putting the interests of your own country ahead of the interests of a different country is pretty basic common sense.
At no point does that even remotely imply "thinking that your country is beyond any and all criticism". Hell, a love for your country NECESSITATES that you examine ways on how to make it better, not just randomly assume perfection.
Aiden Hill
Suck it baboon! You should be embarrassed for being a monkey person!
Matthew James
You right, FUCK WYPIPO, they are all sickle cell bitches that can't handle the sun.
No but seriously kill yourself, all the races are proven to be genetically similar.
Carson Allen
No. :^)
Colton Green
"Common sense" isn't a word I would use to explore support for the destabilization of the entire planet. Where exactly has this gotten you, why exactly should you be proud, and where do you see a more "proud" America
I see only horrible catastrophes with terrible consequences waiting to happen to all involved, domestic or not, because that's fucking history
You make a critical error.
You have faith.
Thomas Diaz
ONLY IN YOUR CRACK PIPE FEVER DREAMS IS THIS TRUE, MONKEY MAN
Benjamin Johnson
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Jaxon Sullivan
You're an adderall addict baboon boy. Glass houses.
Elijah Reyes
Monkey want a banana?
Robert Reed
Baboon boy. Stop it. Get yourself some help.
Wyatt Perry
It isn't.
Leo Diaz
Monkey monkey!
Hudson Williams
All baboon peoples in zoos!
Jayden Wilson
The world is more stable today than it has ever been in history, due entirely to countries existing, or the side effects of countries existing.
I can't even to begin what a warped view of history you must have if you unironically think things were more stable before the rise of countries. Massacres and genocides were a literal daily fact of life before the stability that the rise of countries brought.
Asher Rivera
All baboons in zoos! What is so hard to understand???
Lincoln Foster
If ethnic tribalism among NATO nations creates a bunch of adderall addicted baboon boy posters and psychotic Zig Forums posters screaming about how much they'd cum if Barbra Bush was president, I would say it definitely is a sufficiently negative result to discourage it.
Bentley Reyes
Stop. Feeding. It.
Blake Thompson
Monkey want a pineapple segment? Week week!
Ayden Cruz
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Jonathan Collins
All baboons must live in zoos!
Jackson Hill
This is such a general statement that I cannot begin to fathom your own world view.
How self satisfied can you actually be at the state of things. "The state of things" are completely unsustainable.
If you're an American you should stop being proud, and start being terrified and screaming of the inevitable crash.
Patriotism is useless, and among NATO nations, actively negative. It won't solve anything that will happen to you. Why be patriotic, it's fucking useless
Jason Anderson
Monkey want a freeze dried strawberry?
Cooper Cox
When did I say unlimited immigration. I said being proud of your country above being critical, if you live in America, and/or a NATO allied nation.
If you're any of the above, stop being patriotic, start being critical, or the history you are doomed to repeat is the history you deserve
Hudson Hernandez
All baboon peoples in zoos!
Juan Brown
"30mg, swallow
60mg, swallow
90mg, swallow
vpn, on
Twelve months later…
fuck it…
mask, off another twelve hours"
Benjamin Green
Monkey want some mango? Eek eek nigger ape!
Jaxson Johnson
You are the monkey. You want the mango.
Anthony Clark
Baboon boy you've been chimping out for damn well a year now.
Elijah King
Ethnic homogeneity is positive for social outcomes at a local and individual level, but leads to war at the international level. Federations of interdependent homogenous communes/states is ideal imo.
The far-right are correct that liberals overrate diversity, but they ignore the downsides of what they advocate for
Connor Hill
No! Baboon peoples like tropical fruits! Eek eek!