3 days left until he takes office

Holy shit…

Bannon was actually against foreign intervention in general. Bolton just said last year that he literally wants the US to attack Iran.

Bolton is pretty insane honestly but he obviously appeals to some members of the bourg if he keeps on getting appointments. If the US adopted that sort of blatanty imperialist and heavy-handed stlye of global governance China's counter-American axis would grow tremendously in influence while the pro-American policies of the EU would be trashed. America would find itself alone and increasingly outgunned by far more nimble capitalist countries.
So basically he is our guy.

Oh okay. He's Bannon but at least 4 times worse.

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Those all sound great to me, so long as "war on terror" doesn't involve wasting resources attempting to domesticate mudslimes.
Just drone them.

Zig Forumstards really have become boomer tier.

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That's because you have special needs

It isn't about the Muslims you fucking idiot

if a war happens with iran, you will truly see how an actual hyper nationalistic facist america looks like. when , not if, but when america starts losing that war, thats when actual terrible shit will go down

The Dee Ehss Ayy kids are going to have their throats cut in the street by pharma employed thugs

Bolton reminds me of one of those incompetent generals from Austria Hungary or the late Russian Empire. Ridiculous facial hair, belligerent ignorance, totally unable to grasp how war has changed since they were cadets.

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And America's Bouj are coming more and more to resembling the Manchu aristocracy in China, it's the same disconnect from reality that catches up, not to them, but to the masses.

anti war protesters would legitimately be shot down by either a belligerent cop or a crazed militia man, it would be so much worse than iraq because the iranian government would actually survive for infinitely longer. im talking vietnam levels of daily images of dead people and soldiers. and it would be so much harder for people to ignore because its not rebels or militias, its an actual 80 million person country and government

our only recourse is that trump has a well known phobia of mustaches, and might actually just avoid Bolton plus mattis isnt as stupid a hawk to want a hard war in Iran

Here's what's even more depressing, if Trump tries to pussyfoot around a war, Bolton's coup would be wholeheartedly supported by the military and enough of congress that he could actually do like Kaiserreich MacArthur and left of center students end up being shot in public for not endorsing the war.

the entire world already feels like a joke

Why aren't you rioting yet?

Calm down, Comedian.

Bolton's success in the Trump cabinet depends on how loud he can speak, how self righteous he can be against criticism and how much money he can justify pumping into the military industrial to counteract the absolute dry ass fucking that the stockmarket is getting from the🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧trade war 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

I'm just praying for the socialist commonwealth that'll come when comrade Corby, expropriated SA and China dependent Aus 'n NZ say balls to that.

Bannon is a pacifist and Zig Forums is a board of peace

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I don't think this is the goal of the EFF despite the red and some of the Boer lumpenworkers who have joined their ranks

Past a Point of No Return: Russiagate and the Reorientation of American Imperialism

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As a burger I'm kind of torn. Some dark part of me wants the schadenfreude of seeing a small country finally stand up to empire and wipe the smile off the troop-lovers' faces. The other part of me knows that humiliating defeat is the starting point for real fascism. Also not looking forward to the Iranian state-sponsored terrorist attacks that will make al-qaeda look like amateur hour.

holy shit. The parallels can be true

Zig Forums_The_Donald will just do more mental gymnastics and pretend it's all 8D backgammon. They've already become everything they claimed to hate just a few years ago.

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Honestly I hope he does something stupid like attack Iran. Some common themes that precede most major revolutions are

1) Stagnant or declining standards of living for the bulk of the population.

2) Inept, inefficient, or dysfunctional government.

3) Losing a major war. This part doesn’t necessarily mean losing militarily, more that the war ends up hurting the country more than it helps it, even if they win on the battlefield. Think of Italy in WW1 for an example of what I mean, they were on the winning side but their economy was destroyed.

So far the US is 2/3, they just need one more, and by the looks of the timing a war with Iran may well coincide with the next major recession.

You’ll get drafted.

If this brings back the draft I will unironically support the conservatives and liberals extending the draft to include women.
If I have to go down I’m taking a bunch of roasties with me.

It’s rare that Zig Forums and /r9k/ show up in the same thread

How is he our guy. The turmoil and death he causes will just make capitalism more multi polar, not over throw it. Less dead proles under US imperialism is better than millions dead under a US/Chinese one.

Women aren’t inherently good, read Rosa.

I might consider awarding him /ourguy/ status for the sole reason that a war would Iran would inevitably be a quagmire that makes Vietnam look like a stroll in the park. This would inevitably create mass anger and revolutionary potential among the American public, and Iran would likely win in the long run despite mass suffering. Ideally I don’t want to see this happen, but pragmatically its hard to deny the boost it would give to the American left in much the same way Vietnam did.

That's the plan. Multi-polarity is the only way we can build global socialism.

Bet those rosties GET REAL INTERESTED in Marx the first time they drive over an IED or have a mutant baby from depleted uranium exposure.

I don't think it's the only way, a more materialistic and realistic way is to render the Trump administration, and America in return, continuously and hilariously impotent.

That does not mean feeding the beast another calamitous war, in fact, it means denying it the opportunity to even show force whatsoever

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Yeah about as much as you

Multi-polarity does this though. If America starts a war with an actually powerful country then it will be defeated. Once that happens it will be truly impotent. Domestically the only thing amerifats can do is promote revolutionary defeatism.

No I think you're wrong, a war will only have the opposite effect, it should not be warmed up to whatsoever, because it not only delays the inevitable in my opinion, it also destroys a nation and its people in the process and its more likely to produce an ISIS like competitor ala the fall of Iraq did creating Al Qaeda on steroids

No, war in the Middle East should not be considered whatsoever, it runs completely opposite to our plans.

Iran won't lose though. Also America is going to go full fash anyways. You shouldn't count on them to do anything non-reactionary so long as they are THE capitalist country.

He has no power. He will become an advisor

you brainlets need to stop REEEing out over the smallest thing Orange Porky does. Trump has a good foreign policy–stopped funding Syrian "rebels", and he caused the first audit of the DoD *in history* to take place

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It might as fucking well in this scenario, Iraq currently is "winning" from where it was after the Iraq War, but it sure doesn't fucking look like it does it

Did the Iraq War create more leftism, did it curb the rise of racial populism? I would argue post 9/11, the world has had the complete OPPOSITE effect of what you are describing

It RAISED American Nationalism, not decreased it. And in the end it was a disaster for everyone and made our future, the future it is today.

More of the same must be discouraged

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Libya "won", Afghanistan "won", Iraq "won", what more can we "win" before this tired "harmless war" rhetoric stops

JUST

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The American "left" is irrelevant. In fact I would argue that the entire western left is completely non-essential currently. What we need is a radically anti-western bloc to emerge among developing nations which can challenge the decaying American empire. America is beyond saving. Stop wasting your energy.

It's pretty relevant unless you're some idiotic third worldist, in which case you're doing a fucking horrible job by advising what the American left should and should not encourage

I'd wager they better bloody fucking oppose a god damn war with Iran

Let's just see what happens if we go to war with Afghanistan
Let's just see what happens if we go to war with Iraq
Let's just see what happens if we end Libya for good
Yes, what more advice do you have for developing nations?

Face down, ass up?

A war with Iran will destabilize the Middle East forever. It is not just a single war, it is the last stable fucking Middle Eastern nation besides Saudi Arabia and fucking Israel. Now is not the time to start advocating accelerationism if Iran is all that's fucking left. It shouldn't be anyone's bargaining chip

Saudi Arabia would strengthen from an Iranian war.That's not a good idea

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read

maybe the brainlets will respond if I give them pictures?

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truth to power?

Trump plays favorites, and Saudi Arabia has his ears. I have as much faith in him as I had in Bush

IE Less than 0% faith or good will. Don't get your hopes up kid, every president plays for the cameras sometimes

I don't know why you can't just admit that you agree with Trump on even one little issue. I can say, "yeah I agree with Obama on net neutrality." What gives?

Sure, and if he invaded Syria, he would just be pretending and playing favorites, too, I suppose.

Because I'm not in Trump's head, all the certainty I have is the United State's past actions, it's friendliness towards BOTH nations Trump is currently only friendly with at that level, and war

Trump has all the defining traits of a president ready to knock down a regime it doesn't like. Like I said, don't get your hopes up, a waste of hope is hope wasted

you're all gonna die in Iran fags

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I'm not American, you better hope to christ an Iran war doesn't happen, that leaves another gigantic refugee crisis, you think America will foot the bill on that?

This presidency? Hell not it won't. Get America and Iran as faaaaaaaaaaaar away from each other as possible. For the best of all possible worlds.

Hm, Israel and Saudi Arabia are the only two states with enough influence to shape the remainder left

Why am I less hopeful for this future than I am if they didn't get sent to war?

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if you did this you would recognize that Trump *is* different from Obama and Bush, and if you were logically consistent, you would say, "Thanks Trump for doing something I agree with"

Unfortunately, this is my diagnosis based on your past few posts, you are unable to because of the rage you have against Trump, probably due to the biased, un-nuanced media you consume

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Hello? I'm trying to get *someone* to admit that despite them hating trump, they actually agree with him on foreign policy. You can identify my posts by my flag. My opinion is that Trump has a good foreign policy and represents a real change from Bush and Obama, who were CIA puppets.

The only fucking difference is he's EVEN MORE FRIENDLY TOWARDS ISRAEL

Syria and domestic issues, are the ONLY issues you have as evidence.

I think mine, since it's actually what past presidents have done, are far more indicative of the future path Trump will have with the Middle East.

No, I don't think you've proven anything. Saudi Arabia and Israel as your main confidants is a dangerous and all too familiar choice.

Quick, let me get you back your cane sir, you were wandering around asking where it was…

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well he signed a 100 billion dollar weapons deal with Saudi Arabia, so I'm going to have to say I'm not a fan.

I agree that people dump on Trump too much but how is ending aid to Syrian rebels mean Trump isn’t going into Iran.
As far as the audit goes, I think Trump is doing that to free up money for thing HE wants p, like the private security and intelligence agency he wants. It’s actually pretty clever, he’s commander in chief and can order money budgeted for the Pentagon how he sees fit. If people bitch or try to reduce fundin he’ll just say “muh troops” the same way conservatives would to liberals when liberals tried to get defense spending under control. Trump really is playing 4d chess sometimes, people just don’t realize what his goals are and can’t tell the difference between stupid and hubris.

Trump can have me when he starts suprising me. So far, he hasn't. I'm as worried as I was. Now as I was before he was such a good boy

Hahahah ypu have to go back to /r/theDonald, I mean Zig Forums. You guys are just going to suck Trump dick no matter what. Just because Trump did a handful of things that made conservatives mad doesn’t make him different on foreign policy lol.

Well I personally won’t, got my fake ID and bug out bag ready to go. Plus I’m not afraid of going to jail, but yeah a lot of dumb Americans are going’s to die, mostly soy boys and roasties so maybe not that’s big of a loss.

Hey, can someone get this guy to die first? If America destroys the last pillar left, get him to die first

Nobody will go to his funeral, I think he's safe.

if you read my earlier post you'd know that isn't true, not for me. I was very mad at him for striking Syria, for example, after the questionable chemical weapons thing.

I'm not asking for him to "have" you. I'm asking you to be logically consistent and give credit when it is due. I am presenting one of the few cases where you should actually agree with him.

How is Trump appointing Jo(h?)n Bolton to an advisory position (with no power) mean he's going to war with Iran? He appointed Larry Kudlow to an advisory position–has he become a free trader like Larry? You have to judge politicians by their actions. Ending or even curbing our military intervention is an action, a good one, I think you'll agree.

Sad!

So, why can't you just say, you agree with Trump on that one little issue?

Trump being the most Israel friendly president in America is not one little issue, neither is giving Saudi Arabia (who also want Iran gone) $3 billion in weapons sales. I don't like where this is going, we've gone down this path before. This isn't surprising me, this is making me nervous

It is the one damning issue. Everything else is small game

Saudi Arabia and Israel are pretty fucking important, I wouldn't consider them non issues. I'm not a fan

I am?

$3 billion in weapon sales to the country that Iran wants gone the second most, friendliest of all time to the country that wants it gone THE most. I think, it's not looking too good so far on the roster of "Good Boy Points". This is a very naughty boy we have ourselves

He's gonna do it

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the CIA program was over $1 billion. Chump change by the US' standards anyway.

actually, the DoD has never been audited, and I don't think any US President has been so restrained in their retaliation to an alleged gas attack. Do you know what Bush did to Iraq when there were allegations that they had chemical weapons?

ok

if you were logically consistent, and you are against covert CIA programs that arm people, you would say "thanks Trump for ending that covert (we only know about it because of Trump and his decision to end and declassify it) CIA program", even if you disagreed with him on literally everything else

That's fine, all I'm asking is that you be a *little* bit more nuanced.

"No"

I'm against them. That's exactly why I don't trust Trump, actually. He just appointed his personal choices to run it.
Trump earned his time in the spotlight, he's president, I trust him 0.00%.

"The Gang Goes to War With Iran"

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I forgot

It's a Yuuuuuup from me.

US Economy: $14 trillion
US Federal Gov't Spending: $4 trillion
on military alone: $581 billion

I don't think it's unreasonable to say $1 billion is chump change for the US. It was a covert program.

No, John Bolton will have no power. It's an advisory position. Do you speak English?

I don't trust Trump. The data is that he is less interventionist than Obama. You're being a little bit silly if you can't even give credit where credit is due. Don't you think it's a bit unlikely that Trump is 100% wrong all of the time by your standards?

I still trust him less than 0.00%. In fact, I think I trust him about -10.00% now that I've read your posts.

Listen, come on, we can leave the baby in the hands of our neighborhood sex predator, ok, he hasn't comitted a crime in about ten years now I'm sure she's going to be fine

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well good job, you won the brainlet award. I thought people were smarter on this board than on Zig Forums for some reason, but you have shown yourselves to be every bit as emotional and irrational, despite my utterly unoffensive and fair language.

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Idiot.

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Actually, yes, it's just an advisory position and doesn't mean Trump will change his policy. I even gave a good example (Larry Kudlow) of an advisor who disagrees with Trump on the very thing he's advising Trump on, and yet Trump has not taken his advice.

Idiot.

Defending Israel from Iran: 101
How to Avoid The Big Elephant

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