Anyone else sick and tired of the self-improvement/narcissistic culture coming from anglo countries that pervades everything? From the people on internet who try to be your father by telling to go to the gym, eat well, get your shit together, etc. to the cunts in the media (blogs, podcasts, newspapers) that give you advice on how to be more productive, a good citizen and so on (hell, maybe some day, you'll become the next elon musk if you put your mind into it).
I can't open my browser without having that shit thrown to my face. To avoid it, I need to be so alert that sometimes I just want to quit internet altogether.
If you listen to these fucking people, every seconds of your life should be directed towards your (so important) goals and the improvement of your (so unique) persona. No more time to fart around, every second wasted is an attack on your future success.
Anyone else sick and tired of the self-improvement/narcissistic culture coming from anglo countries that pervades...
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Yes. I am. I'm not even the dude tier. I have a good paying job, a house and I'm fit. But in my fantasies I'm a thief who travels the world and has a loyal girl by his side.
I also hate how "self improvement" is only about going to the gym, following this mentality I'm already at the top. But again, why would someone like me wish for something else if they were at the top?
Honestly self improvement, dating apps ecc. Are really the bottom of the barrel when it comes to humanity.
Another thing I hate is those fucking PUA/how to be alpha channels. Alpha becomes only about how many girls you approach mechanically and how much you don't care about them. Seriously.
You shouldn't show affection to your girlfriend, you shouldn't say that you love her, you shouldn't be gelous, you should always spend more time other people.
What's the point in having a girl at all at this point?
Seriously, I'm no beta orbiter or stuff like that and I do have a I don't give a fuck attitude most of the time, but there is a point where this attitude becames ignorance like here
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These people make me feel normal and better about myself, this is the inspiration I get from these people.
Even if I'm mentally broke right now, I will never be like them and I will always be the better man.
Self improvement mentality is peak americanism and goes hand in hand with racial fetishization, Lookism and loser status. I'm quite a newfag and sometimes it's just disturbing how people on images boards think that attractiveness and improvement are conditioned by how big is your chin and how simmetric are your eyes
Capitalist media pushing "success" is nothing new. You learn to zone it out.
What pisses me off is this self-improvement culture taking root on imageboards in the last few years, with Zig Forumstards pushing the idea that nerdy interests are d.egenerate and you should strive to be an "ironpill chad". The only place on the internet where I could be a d.egenerate loser and talk to similarly minded people overtaken by a cult of normalcy and peddlers of food supplements and pickup artistry manuals.
Sometimes, I find it quite difficult to detect it and that's why it upsets me. I think capitalist media has many ways to skullfuck you with these ideas and you have to learn to identify it each time.
Also, the way it's usually introduced to people is a false dichotomy, it's "so, do you want to stay a piece of shit or do you want to be a person people respect? It can only go up or down".
The way it gets to me is because of my hobbies, of course I want to be a good musician, what should I do? (and it becomes really unhealthy if you throw into the mix a non-assumed wish for recognition that is usually the indicator of success in this field).
Ah, our masters are really good at atomising us using our desires.
These PUA are the lowest of the low, only a sick society could produce such scum.
Are you implying it isn't? Why do you think people get plastic surgery?
t. uggo with zero facial aesthetics
t. adherent of the ideology that gave us Beria
self-improvement is a spook, but I wouldn't mind threads on how to eat healthier on a budget, or exercise. It's this whole idea that your self-worth hinges upon it is what gets me.
Starting to exercise is good advice though. People always told me it helps with mental health and happiness and it really does work. I’m in a great mood since I started working out in January, already seeing gains.
This is indeed hysterical. Not the intention (to do better), but the outlook (You can do it! Yes we can! etc.)
A socialist (and correct) view, is that there is an optimal way to live a human life. If you follow with some discipline, diet, exercise, etcetera, you will be at peak efficiency. You will NOT improve yourself like that, but simply won't impede yourself.
Nope.
I mean, why would I? Self-improvement is a good goal to have. Do capitalists promove with their own self-interest in mind it in order to keep productivity higher? Sure, but if capitalism somehow profits from my life I will not kill myself in protest.
And a good point can be made that capitalism also wants to promote the I-don't-care attitude that some of the "Left" have. Depending on where you live, living healthy is not an option.. Every food you have has been made with things you don't know (as scandal after scandal show), with a false nutritional label, with chemicals and hormones that are wrecking havoc on your body, and where all healthy alternatives have been virtually pushed out of the market for refusing to compete on those terms. Attempts of bringing education on these issues to the public is often met with legal consequences, laws to stop it are lobbied out of existence, and so on. Nothing suits this reality better than resignation fashioned as non-conformity, that is, people eating poison and destroying themselves with a fuck-you attitude because that's what mass media promotes as "rebellion".
Pretty much this.
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I feel you man, as anarchists we should have the ability to smoke marijuana, and play Counter Strike Source all day listening to EuroTrance without having the fucking “man” trying to tell us what to do.
beria was a rapist you dolt.
So much this. Honestly it's fucking sad that 4ch is so dead nowadays outside of places like /a/ which at least put up a pretence of self-moderation. If you don't want to get shitposted you have to present this bullshit image you're some 1950's dad type who never enjoys anything, ever.
that was the point moron
That shit is common sense. If you listened to your teachers and parents, you could even have got it right the first time. It seems like people love being treated like babies.
So, I am crazy, the media aren't pushing an hygenienist agenda that also reinforce individualism by putting dreams of achievement and success in the mind of the mass?
Yeah, I bet it is better to try to please mass'ah by getting fit for work and to throw yourself with your head down in this brave new world nightmare.
This. I always wondered how, let's say, a grandpa or some single mom with already many worries could hold to that standard. Well, I guess these are third rate human beings.
Exactly this. I am tired of all these normalfag cucks on 4chan telling me to stop eating carbs, stop being a MGTOW pussy, learn game and lift bro. The Paleo-Game Cult.
I am in my early 30s. I have been a shitposter since my teens. I don't need lectures from 20-something and teenagers who have invaded our thing and changed it into something else entirely. chans are supposed to be the refuge of autistic social outcasts like myself. Now "autist" is a common insult on the chans. This is something to be our home.
Sam Hyde has a video called “Not funny old man advice” where he basically deconstructs this whole shitty “anti attitude” people have in regards to self improvement. You’re whole ethos of “Kid, life comes at ya fast, and ya gotta count the days by the shots of Jim beam ya take”, is just a variant of what’s known as stripper knowledge. So you’re basically a bum cumdumpster, and living a delusion where you think you’re a 2018 version of a Marlon Brando esque rebel without a cause “because that’s freedom kid, and life comes at you 150 mph so you got no other choice”. See that you, noe stop it. Go clean your fucking room twerp.
pics related are the only genuine self-improvement writers
What are you doing all that for? To impress some roastie that wouldn't think twice about cuckolding you for Chad/Tyrone in a second?
If you are going to do all these things, you have to make a conscious decision to do it for you and no one else.
If I'm going to make changes to my diet, it's going to be for the sake of my health.
Getting my shit together is very subjective. My financial situation is in a pretty good state at the moment. But I focus on making money for myself, not to impress some roastie cunt.
Zig Forums is literally motivated by >muh white pussy. That's why they get so triggered when they see pic-related.
Indulging in junk food (ie. chicken tendies) autistic introverted dudes living a NEET hikikomori lifestyle is a part of chan culture. But now chan culture is infested with normalfags.
Oh cool, you convinced me with your false binary.
You fucking morons have so little imagination that the best thing that can come up when you think about improving yourselves is lifting weight and cleaning your room. You can put lipstick on a pig…
lifting weights is literally just peacocking for roasties. lol. If you want to be healthy, all you literally have to do is consume less calories than you burn. And make sure you get the necessary micro-nutrients that you need.
If you are very overweight, you are going to need a large calorie deficit. The good news is that the fatter you are, the more calories you burn in a day, the easier it is to lose weight.
Type II Diabetes runs in my family. If I develop Type II Diabetes, I am going to do a vegan juicing fast. Just straight up put myself in a huge calorie deficit. That will fix your blood sugar problem very quickly. Steak and eggs isn't going to solve your problem quickly. And there is evidence that suggests that meat and meat by-products cause heart disease, cancer and even diabetes. Dr. Atkins, the guy who invented the Atkins Diet, died of a heart attack. What the fuck does he know about diet?
Jeez some of you are such losers. You think you are winning but you are just losing. If you seriously think you are going to get fit, get healthy, and live some kind of a better life you are almost certainly fucking deluded.
There is so much more to life than being fit and eating right, and if you think that it's cleaning your room, you're more fucked up than I thought.
If you think what is missing from your life are possessions, you're being fucking stupid. Throughout history people have been happy with fuck all, and that's not a call for you to be happy living in a barrel with liver cancer, it's a notice that it isn't the quality of their items that truly pleases people. People that are fit and happy almost certainly gain an actual functioning benefit from being fit. It impacts their life. The losers I'm referring to fetishize fitness and health, because instead of wanting them for their actual useful character, they want them for what others value them as. Suddenly you will be a wanted, loved man, but damn those roasties for wanting a positive canthal tilt, so now you need surgery right? There is no end for someone who fetishizes these items for other people's wants, because you will never satisfy the world.
If you want to fact check me, go find an old guy, ask him about the happiest time in his life, and I promise you he won't be talking about how he cleaned his room and started making premade meals. These things are means to an end outside of the very, very few people who legitimately enjoy them, not checklists to see if you're human enough.
Get the fuck out, incel
I hope you like being in the back caring for the children because that's about all you'll be good for with those arms, user.
enjoy getting cucked by slayers reddit numale
Yes I am implying that. I didn't even know what a weak chin was before coming here, never fucking notice it
Nothing about this is bad, it just gets tired when you can't discuss anything without having some incel loser scream degenerate because you're not virtue signalling about self-improvement.
The concept of self-improvement does seem to be exclusively an Anglo-Saxon/Euro concept.
However, is it not this same culture that has been held as the standard in terms of modern excellence? Is it not this concept that is at the core of western society and all of it's accomplishment?
If we're honest, each other society pales in comparison to the accomplishments of the west and it's people, so why would we attack something as foundational as self-improvement?
Self improvement=/=gym culture, tinder, Instagram
Learning new languages, learning to cook, learning sports ecc. Is self improvement, being a better consumer is not. My main problem is that improving is only a gym thing for a lot people. While being healthy is important thinking that the only improvement is apparence is cultural capitalism. Also going to the gym and being healthy =/=gym culture and edm festivals
p. sure 'bourgeoise immorality' or some shit is what they charged him with before shooting him in the head
idgaf about the west tbh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
what's wrong with edm festival?
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Quints don’t lie
Everything.
I'm joking, but in my country going to tomorrow land is the equivalent of visiting mecca in the muslim word. For some people, these are the same people who have instagram full of gym photos, tomorrowland is the greatest experience one can have in life. When I told about my trips no one cares, when one talked about tomorrowland people couldn't belive him and they talked about it for months
Tomorrowland is one of the biggest edm festivals
Absolutely. Narcissistic supply isn't politics.
The only thing I'm sick of are toxic people like OP who spend their time essentially convincing themselves to be miserable. The sad fact is that people like you won't notice any improvement in your lives when the revolution comes. Even if capitalism were to be abolished tomorrow you'd still end up feeling like you were a pawn of the system, subject to forces beyond your control. Why? Because you don't take any fucking initiative. You don't make a life, you just exist in it. Your opinion of the entire concept of 'self-improvement' is indicative of your thinking in general: You start from a foregone conclusion, and only look at something long enough to find the data to match.
Rejection of self-improvement should be the last thing on the mind of any real leftist. If your political convictions had any strength you'd be some of the biggest proponents of the concept. Leftists, unlike right-wingers and the apolitical, actually have a huge, long-term goal: The abolition of capitalism. That goal simply won't be achieved without the conscious, disciplined activity of the people who possess it. To help bring about the end of capitalism you need to be the best you can be. You need to be physically fit, not just for aesthetics, but for the cognitive, mood, and other health benefits fitness brings. You need to develop your charisma, because if history has taught us two things, it's that revolutions can hinge on good leadership at critical moments, and that every revolutionary must be a good leader because you never know when the person you were relying on to lead will get exiled or shot. You need to be organised and disciplined, because massive goals require these qualities if they're to be achieved.
Wasting your time (and yes, mindlessly consuming anime in your room is wasting your fucking time) is antithetical to your goal. Improving yourself contributes to it. With every moment that passes, you have to make a choice: Are you capitalism's perfect little consumer? Or are you the recursively self-improving harbinger of its demise?
It's the same disturbed, wannabe motivational speaker, projection filled diatribes from the self-improvement gang every single time. You mother fuckers have the same script.
Stop for a second and consider the remote possibility that everyone else might actually be right about this shit. We keep saying the same shit to you over and over again because it's the simplest possible way we can say it. Frankly it's pretty fucking exasperating that you refuse to take the advice and fix your brokebrained self.
its the other way around, you are not valuable to yourself because you are healthy, you want to be healthy because you are valuable to yourself
thats how it is for me at least
It seems like there's a million places on the internet that people like you congregate, but I only try to snap guys you out of it because you're on my side, and I want capitalism actually fucking gone. Unfortunately, most of the people I met irl who are on our side have the exact same outlook as you. And guess what? That outlook doesn't get any-fucking-thing done. People like you aren't charismatic enough to bring anyone over to our side, you aren't fit enough to help when shit goes down, and your resolute misery sucks the life out of every organisation you join.
I know you aren't being serious but there are actual people who talk like this and believe shit like this in real life. My life is fine, does not need to be fixed and my brain is not broken.
Self-improvement dorks talk like cult leaders trying to convince people that they need to be fixed. The self-improvement meme will create a cult like we have never seen before I swear to god.
Not all self-improvement is bad, not all personal problems have a systemic cause. This is true.
The real problem with "self-improvement" is the question of: improvement into what? If you want to improve, you first need a definition of the good. What makes a good man or woman? What counts as an improvement? It is here that the self-improvement fad is in the wrong, because it is infected with ideology, unseen by the practitioners.
Self-improvement of the mainstream variety does one thing: make you into a better consumer. Buy more fancy clothes, you don't want to look like a slob. Buy more skincare products, you don't want to look like a basement dweller. Get a gym membership and start chugging those supplements. You really should start working on your dating game, how about you go out to bars two times a week and start buying fancy drinks for the ladies, never drop less than 10$ or you'll look like a chump. But don't forget to get your eight hours of sleep before work, prole! Also you should not neglect to do some training in your free time so you can stay relevant in this dynamic economy of ours - do you want to be stuck in a dead end job forever? Just take out a small loan to finance your courses in coding, you'll be making 60.000$ in IT in no time.
And so on. Can you see what looms in the background? It's all well and good to stay healthy (by eating well and exercising) and make time for personal projects, but self-improvement as a movement is about something else entirely.
even if you set your own definition such that whatever subjects and skills interest you count as 'improving yourself' thats a stupid, unpleasant way of looking at it. it implies doing these things to live up to something, or because you're at the moment insufficient, rather than because you want to/want to be able to do something. any 'good' here is a spook.
doing things that take effort takes a bit of forcing yourself but I force m yself because I know ill enjoy it as im doing it and/or because I want to do some other stuff that requires some knowledge or a skill. if it was about "improvement" id just be resentful of the implication that its more valuable than other things that make me happy, like doing things with friends.
No question. But looking at it purely instrumentally, it should be clear that certain mindsets and behaviors clearly make it harder to even enjoy the most important and simple things in life. Especially young people who are questioning themselves and struggling to cope with life can do with some common sense advice. In today's society, even the Epicurean lifestyle takes some discipline.
I kind of love how Zig Forums (even here) got turned into chad-worshiping pussy-thirsty betas.
>>>/r9k/
Capitalist culture thrives on narcissism.
- Every self-improvement thread on Zig Forums
This is the only redeeming value of the self-improvement meme in imageboard culture. Laughing at the degenerate filthy subhuman trash wastoid loser scum confessing their sickness for the world to see.
The problem with current concept of "self-improvement" is that it is entirely superficial and inauthentic. Self-improvement should be done because you want to self-improve, because you want to better yourself by your own volition. Self-improvement nowadays is done with the intent of impressing others, of not being a commitment to self but a shallow presentation to people who you hope will only see the facade you've constructed and not the authentic self you are apparently too ashamed and insecure to accept. Self-improvement itself isn't the problem, its the skin-deep mentality capitalist society tells you self-improvement is that is the problem. Marx in fact talks about how in communism everyone will have the ability to devote themselves to self-improvement, and it is that improvement that we can truly call our own.
I think you just explained why I'm growing prob gonna be an alcoholic/druggie in a few years tbh.
I'm educated / good job etc but yeah.. i love music too. I love art and creativity and capitalism wants to stifle all of that. It makes me want to "fail" on purpose just so I can reject the norms of "success" so people will stop expecting me to "succeed" and will just resort to calling me a "failure." Then, the pressure would be off and I could relax and focus on what I care about.
Anyone else ever /feel/ this way?
its true dude. i was least depressed when i was lifting. then i got injured and its all been downhill since.
damn. good point. i mean i forgot and knew this but wasn't thinking about it in the way you said.
the whole tide pods thing, bath salts, opoids, the media is always scaring us about this shit as the hot new trend for teenagers. then ofc there is the typical turn on, tune in, drop out BS from the 60s.
I mean, i agree with you to an extent. I just think its easier said than done to not want to rebel. There has to be some sensible medium or recognition of faux rebellion and real anti-capitalist rebellion. obviously people on this board would be able to distinguish teh 2 but its shocking how many normies can't do this (looking at you #BLM and tumblr)
yes
The anglosphere NEEDS a bit of the ol' Jantelagen. ( en.wikipedia.org
Also there's something fascinating about the ability to combine narcissism with self-negation. I love myself, so I'm going to pretend I'm going to get fit - even though I don't care about fitness, because maybe kind of sort of that's what roman gladiators would have done before the MARXISTS came along. A fascinating level of spooked.
"getting your shit together" is one of the most insufferable phrases there is.
even if the kind of runtoid who spouted it succeeded in the goals barked at them by 2-bit patreon whores, they're going to live provisional lives and die meaningless deaths.
note to self: have freikorps shoot this one first.
It may be held as the standard by the philistines in charge now, that's not to say it's actually good.
No. Even if you wanted to read it in a spooked /r/badhistory Zig Forums sense, societal or national improvement have always trumped personal improvement. The ruling classes of the greatest nations on earth have always been hypocrites.
Indeed I may go further: Hypocrisy was the penultimate value of western civilisation. Hypocrisy lets you spell out the right thing to do while continuing to do the wrong thing because it pleases you. Hypocrisy is showing great concern that poverty and disease will weaken the national stock (and thus the armed forces) so attempting to tackle it at a governmental level while continuing to risk syphilis by shagging prostitutes on a personal one.
It's ridiculous that it has to be spelt out, but improvement is quite distinct from self improvement. British scientists didn't design fancy nuclear reactors because they wanted to improve themselves.
And that's why self-improvement won't ever work, because fundamentally self-improvement is about improving humanity. You can't improve humanity, that window closed in the 1970s and the building it was once attached to was dynamited to make way for an office complex. On a government policy level, you're never going to bring an idea like that around again - and the idea of organising it from the bottom up is as laughable as the idea of stopping global warming from the bottom up.
lol at this
and lol at this anti-materialist bullshit. YOU need to be fit to bring down capitalism, the revolution needs YOU.
fit individuals don't make revolutions, classes make revolutions. You want to do some self improvement? I suggest you READ MARX.
Not that guy but
This is correct
Yes, and there are individuals in those classes. Do you just think people wont have to fight in a revolution? We don't all just coalesce and morph into a physical amorphous blob called "class" and fight the bourgeoisie as it. Every revolutionary militia/group has utilized training and physical self-improvement because that is what is needed in conflict.
i have my doubts.
we don't all go to the gym and then march straight into banks and start snapping stick-insect stock brokers in half either.
most of them weren't weirdos in a thread about self improvement weirdos on Zig Forums though.
but maybe i'm wrong and the Zig Forums division really will just Mortal Kombat their way through the bourgeoisie. My imagination of the revolution involves guns and an Allendean suicide, though.
If you think combat, especially with guns, won't involve a lot physical work, then I have some unfortunate things to tell you.
You're overthinking this. The answer is "something better than your current self." If that's too individualistic for you then I don't know what to say.
false: when there is no economy and luxury (anprim), everyone is "forced" to take care of themselves, hunt, food, look for shelter, etc. this gives satisfaction and evaporates mentall illness
it literally is. only because ~getting your shit together~ now basically just means working harder for porky and pretending you don't hate your life
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