H.G. Wells interviews Stalin

newstatesman.com/politics/2014/04/h-g-wells-it-seems-me-i-am-more-left-you-mr-stalin

Don't forget, H.G. Wells was ancap and believed that rich property owners could affect positive change in the world just as well as socialists. He btfo Stalin.

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Cringe

oh yeah that genius behind 1984 interviewing Stalin is cringy

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You'll figure it out i guess.

yeah it's terrible when your ego gets defeated

heh, nothing personal kid

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Jimmy Fallon is truly the unsung literary hero of our time.

who's the idiot now?

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Dude HG wells was a Socialist, The Time Machine is literally about showing how the ruling class (the morlocks) pray on the working class (the eloi). He was also pretty authoritarian, anti-zionist and was a republican (during the 1930s UK, that was pretty rare and he was actually SPURRED ON by the shooting of Tsar Nickey). So yeah, he wasn't a fucking ancap.

Good job not reading the interview i linked! Leftists staying willfully ignorant as always. Why am i not surprised?

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I dunno, man. He's got the hair and everything.

it's actually a GOAT impression and you know it

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>Stalin: There is no, nor should there be, irreconcilable contrast between the individual and the collective, between the interests of the individual person and the interests of the collective. There should be no such contrast, because collectivism, Socialism, does not deny, but combines individual interests with the interests of the collective. Socialism cannot abstract itself from individual interests.

Relevant to this thread from yesterday

There's a lot to criticize about the USSR under Stalin, but in what he said and what he wrote he was pretty fucking based imo. He was without a doubt a genuine socialist and the most ideologically driven leader the USSR ever had (except for Lenin maybe).

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Thanks for the link OP an interesting read so far. I have to say that I haven't seen him BTFO of Stalin so far, so much as I have seen Stalin calmly trying to explain why big time capitalists don't like having their money taken away.

I am doing it, however I just wanted to point out how fucking stupid it was to call HG Wells a fucking ancap. That's like calling Lenin a One Nation Conservative.

bawawhahhaha ofc you latch on the most delusional nuance lacking extremist part of the article claiming it to be redpilled

Wells's counterpoint is the fucking truth and you fucking know it.


Basically he's not an idiot and understand who will build our roads.


Bro he's a fucking ancap. He admits that capitalists are perfectly capable of helping society as much as socialists. You're the one latching onto negativity and demanding that we all throw our freedoms away for an inferior solution when there is a much better solution within reach. Wells was proven right historically and soon enough we will be in the post scarcity age which will make governments and socialism OBSOLETE.

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LAD HE WANTED A FUCKING ONE-WORLD-GOVERNMENT, HE IS THE ANTITHESIS OF A COCKING ANCAP

Oh boy, I can't wait to live in the blade runner universe.

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SLAVA STALINA

More like Wells is explaining to a die hard ☭TANKIE☭ why you don't have to extort people in order to affect positive change.

WHO WAS RIGHT HISTORICALLY???? HAS THE STANDARD OF LIVING GOT BETTER OR WORSE SINCE THEIR TIME????

ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO DENY THAT RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY FUCKING MOMENT YOUR ARE STARING INTO AND TYPING ON A MEANS OF PRODUCTION?!?!?!? COULD YOU NOT BECOME SELF EMPLOYED AND PROPERTY OWNING SOLELY THROUGH YOUR EFFORTS ON THE DEVICE YOU USED TO TYPE THAT LAST MESSAGE?!?!?!?

And that means of production you are staring into can be had DIRT CHEAP.. Second hand computers PERFECT, as a linux development machine are, can be found IN ABUNDANCE for less than 100 dollars and most for less than 50 dollars. You think communism could ever fucking hold a candle to that kind of fucking prosperity?!?!?!? The fucking technological developments spurred by capitalist innovation are a EQUALIZING FORCE people like Marxx could not even dream about! You can even have your surplus capital in BITCOINS now free from the grasp of beauracts and authoritarians!

In Soviet Russia, you would have to wait 10 years for the chance to own a fucking computer! HAHAHAHAHA

Reagan about soviet automobile ownership:

Computers were already less expensive than cars by the time of the collapse of the soviet union. But in mother Russia they remained as expensive as their shitty ladas till western products made through their borders.

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i am confused tbh
i posted this very text dozen of times here, quoting it for several occasions
and OP, anarkiddy flag poster, talks about that liberal Wells being an ancap… and btfo-ing Stalin?
it's obviously a shitpost and there's supposed to be some irony in this but all i see is OP trying really hard in pretending to be retarded, however i cannot figure out where he's going with this.

so i guess what i was trying to say, i think OP should drop the act and explain the joke because nobody gets it

Yet he admitted capitalists are just as effective??? It's obvious wells didn't get caught up in Leftist dogma LIKE YOU HAVE!

That stupid idea or whatever you are quoting is just a lapse in his ideology. It was just his preferred fantasy, but he was well aware that capitalists can be JUST AS GOOD as his idealized socialists, WHICH WERE PROVEN WRONG HISTORICALLY!

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The reason I quoted that part was, like I said, it was relevant to the question of "Is socialism/communism an individualist or collectivist system?" which was discussed yesterday here .

I don't agree with Well's counterpoint, obviously. But more importantly, the part I quoted was only a few sentences of what Stalin said and Well's response was to a different part of Stalin's argument (when he starts speaking of classes). Stalin doesn't speak of rich and poor in the few sentences I quoted so I don't know why you would think you're BTFOing commies epic style by pasting Well's response to a different thing Stalin said.

Well you're the sorry kind of person who wishes he had a back breaking manual labor job forced onto him! So I doubt you will be making much use of cryptocurrency, 3D printers, vertical farming, biofuels, or 20 dollar i7 workstations.

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Coming from an ancap lol
Standards of living will increase anyway.
They increased in the USSR and in the US.

This

If he thought capitalists would stop upholding a system that created a self perpetuating loop of suffering then he's wrong.

Good luck gettin that tech without manual labour on someone's part.

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Selective perception much? Wells, who you guys idolize, clearly admitted capitalists can be just as good as socialists.

And historically we all know what happened. Do you even history bro?? They literally were taught to kill their intellectual inteligencia in Maoist China during the "great leap forward." (ironic name)

Maybe if you read this article in a vacuum without the context of *what actually happened historically* I would forgive your interpretation, but now that all of human history is at your fingertips there is no fucking excuse!

Wells was clearly the smarter man as Stalin just came off incredibly dogmatic and could only see black and white with zero nuance. Wells admitted the real possibilites of capitalist POTENTIAL, which have been met and continue to surpass anything which has claim to be "socialism!"

CAPITALISTS HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE BETTER SOCIALISTS THAN MARXXISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO YOU NOT FUCKING GET IT?!?!?!??!? !

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Because you're a delusional basement dweller who fantasizes about being bullied into hard labor.

if the shoe fits..

Yeah. Instead he was mired in liberal ideological traps and utopian fantasies.

Seriously dude, drop the joke.
I don't get it. Of course capitalists must continue to create and improve technology in order to create new markets.
Of course capitalism will lead to better living standards over time.
The problem here is you claiming that socialism has failed.
It's hard to create something good when everyone is against you. Capitalism had the entire western world along with all it's power to shit on socialism yet socialists have made huge leaps. I won't lie, there were some mishaps, but the mistakes of mao etc are nothing compared to what capitalism has done.

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… so the joke is to just go full retarded? just that?

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So we can just slap unrelated answers onto questions if the syntax is proper?

Based.

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I made the mistake of taking the guy seriously.
I'm having a hard time telling actual anti-communists from ironic anti-communists.
wonder why

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Ancapism is the only ethically consistent ideology and only non violent consensual ideology! Extortion is inherently VIOLENT which Ancaps are against! You don't think stealing people's property is violent?? Or you are so deluded you think it's already yours??? LOL

BUT THEY WERE PISS POOR IN COMPARISON AND GREW MUCH LESS. How did China get so fucking rich relatively recently!?!??!

OH YEAH CAUSE A COMPUTER IN 1984 (get it) SHOULD COST THE AMOUNT OF A CAR ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD?!?!?!? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW COUNTRIES THAT HAVE STARTED EVEN WORSE DON'T HAVE CHEAP COMPUTERS THANKS TO CAPITALISM!??!?!?!?

BUT THERE IS LESS RELATIVE SUFFERING NOW THAN EVER BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH YEAH BECAUSE AUTOMATION ISN'T A THING?!?!?!? BAWHAHAHAHAHA

YOU CAN MAKE A FUCKING 3D PRINTER OUT OF LEGOS AND A FUCKING GLUE GUN YOU FUCKING IMBECILE! YOU HAVE NO FUCKING EXCUSE!

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the problem there is that they really are so ridiculously stupid, when we try to mock them by acting retarded we really do just look like them
but look at all that reddit spacing and capslog
i think it's really a comrade who actually makes it apparent that he's just taking a piss at them

the leftist version of calling someone a "jew shill" is to call them a nazi

how polarizing and ironic…

No he's calling you autistic.

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lol here we go again

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Fuck i forgot to post pic related the first time.

The quote I posted was more relevant to THIS DISCUSSION. Not yesterday's or last weeks and the question which i have answered correctly is "are property owners at odds with the interest of the non property owners?" Much less of them are actually workers these days btw and you have EASY ACCESS to being part of the intellectual class than ever before with the fucking means of fucking production you are fucking staring into and typing on right fucking now!

AND PEOPLE CAN VOLUNTARILY COLLECTIVIZE UNDER LIBERTARIANISM OR EVEN UNDER TODAY'S NEOLIBERALISM!!

WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A FUCKING COLLECTIVE OR COMMUNE AND LIVE THERE WITH YOUR LEFTPOL BUTT BUDDIES?!??!?!

YOU COULD EVEN GET FUCKING FUNDING FROM ONLINE CROWD FUNDING PLATFORMS.

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This is actually starting to get funny.
It's like an ancap baboon poster on steroids.

Apologies if you thought I was saying that you were a nazi. The point I was trying to make was that anticommunists are as ridiculous as the stereotypical anti communist. I used the picture to illustrate that generally, anticommunist arguments are a load of autistic screeching, something you are displaying.

You are either a really stupid 12yo or a comedian.
Either way, you are creating quite the spectacle.

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Sry im not a masochist like yourself and i would rather have the best possible OPTION when it's available. Sry I don't resent my own freedom and comfort.

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I was typing out a reply but realized this is much better.

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Oh lordy
This is getting out of hand.


STOP YOU'RE TRIGGERING MY INNER NAZBOL

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pride cometh before the fall

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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you fucking kulak? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the The People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Batista's cuban government, and I have over 410757864530 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire USSR armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet you ass munching fascist? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the world and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, whitey. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kulak. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred thousand ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Soviet Navy and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the earth, you little shit eating fascist insect. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn nazi. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kulak.

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LITERALLY STALIN REFERRED TO THEM AS A CLASS IN THIS FUCKING INTERVIEW AND CALLED THEM "THE VAST MINORITY" WHEN TODAY THE FUCKING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING PRODUCE JACK DIDDILY IN A PHYSICAL MEANS! LITERALLY THE MAJORITY OF MANY WESTERN ECONOMIES IS INTELLECTUAL CONTENT AND THE SERVICE INDUSTRY.

BUT WITH 3D PRINTERS YOU CAN BE THE DESIGNER, ENGINEER, AND PRODUCER WITH NOTHING BUT A GLUE GUN AND SOME LEGOS!!

BUT I KNOW BEING FORCED TO DO BACK BREAKING LABOR IS SO MUCH MORE APPEALING THAN MAKING MONEY IN YOUR PAJAMAS ONLINE.

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inb4 calling freelance web developers "rent seekers"

fuggin if it wasn't for hotwheels and that other dude we wouldn't even be communicatin'

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THE MARXIST DEFINITION OF CLASS MAKES PUTS YOU AND YOUR DEAD COUSIN AS HELLA GAY
YOU FUCKING JEW YOU WILL BE FED TO MY ETHIOPIAN CYBER HOUND
3D PRINTERS ARE ONLY GOOD FOR SUCKING DICK XD
UR FAVORITE ANIME IS BAD
HAIL SUPREME LEADER KIM JON UN

GO TO HELL DEGENERATE

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I think a big problem with this thread is that OP thought H.G. Wells is George Orwell.

Jesus christ well i guess you are beyond saving when you are staring into a means of production yet argue that we need authoritarian cuckery and to cause destructive violent revolutions.

There are even people online who would donate money to help you start a coop or commune yet you don't even want that.

Some men just want to see the world burn.. probably because you're an insufferable wagecuck or basement dweller… both of which are easily changed but you've convinced yourself there is no way to affect your destiny as a way to protect your ego of failure.

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It was meant to be ironic..

HG Wells was thought to be socialist because of his book the time machine like already pointed out so it wouldn't even make a difference anyways. But i totally knew that and was just being ironic.

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ANCAPS ARE LAZY CUCKS THAT DO NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE
DESTRUCTIVE REVOLUTIONS ARE BENEFICIAL AND COOPS ARE BOURGEOIS PROPAGANDA
PUT ON SOME PERFUME YOUR RETARDATION SMELLS ARE STINKING UP MY GLORIOUS DIAMOND PALACE WHERE ME AND MY ARYAN BITCHES LIVE
I finally get to use my nazbol picture folder to it's full extent. fucking score

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In what sense is this ironic?

ooo looks like someone is afraid of actual logical arguments

your fear only empowers me

keep going plzzz.. it makes me wet

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idk are you fucking autistic?

do you know what meme culture is??

were you ever on /b before it became just traps and revenge porn after gamergate???

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YOUR JUICES WILL POWER THE NAZBOL MACHINE
NONE CAN STOP THE NAZBOL GANG, ESPECIALLY PATHETIC CREATURES SUCH AS YOURSELF
YOU WANT A LOGICAL ARGUMENT? CHECK THIS OUT
3+1=5
BTFO XD!!!111!!!!!!
put me in the screencap

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meanwhile more indian people are making money in their pajamas online than "working" at factories

yeah intellectual elite is so unattainable.. yeahhhhh sureeeee

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Is it ironic because they both have "well" in their name? I was wondering if you were autistic, actually.

YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU'RE UP AGAINST
THE TIME IS COMING
WHEN THE STREETS WILL RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF THE ENEMIES OF THE NAZBOL GANG
2018 YEAR OF THE NAZBOL
THE FIRE RISES
don't filter me plz

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OHHHHH HOW TYPICAL PLAYING THE VICTIM CARD?!?!?!?

WOWWWW WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED?!?!?!

CERTAINLY BY NOW YOU WOULD AT LEAST *ONE* EXAMPLE YOU COULD POINT TO OF SUCCESS????

SURELY THE CAPITALISTS DIDN'T FORCE MAO AND STALIN TO KILL A HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!???!?!?

FUCKING PATHETIC!

Making it the better option.

Making it the better option.

SO I HAVE WON.. GOOD JOB.

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i mean i guess it makes sense that socialists are cold calculated robots of humans that just long to be a cog in a machine

you'd make a good bee or ant in your next life user

Come on my dude, where is the irony? Typing all this shit is a lot more work than pointing it out.
Does anyone else in this thread get why OP finds it ironic to call H.G. Wells George Orwell?

i appreciate the effort tbqh.. kinda flattering

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YOU UNINTELLIGENT ORGANISM
I BET YOUR Autism Level IS -99.76
MINE IS LIKE 200 BILLION! BEAT THAT
STALIN AND MAO WERE RIGHT TO KILL THOSE PEOPLE! THEY DIDN'T KILL ENOUGH!

YOU CANNOT GRASP EVEN THE MOST SIMPLE SENSE OF IRONY
AT THIS LEVEL YOU ARE LIKE HYDROGEN. THE OPPOSITE OF IRON

YOU HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE OF A BEE RETARD
I HOPE YOU COME BACK AS A SHELF SO I CAN STORE STUFF ON YOU

You're draining my nazbol folder quickly lol

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But was Orson Wells a socialist???

Were the ayys actually capitalists in War of the Worlds?

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this part made me kek

kid, you got potential

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ARE ANCAPS POSADISMO?
THIS POST HAS CONFIRMED NOT ONLY INTELLIGENT TRAITOR TROTSKITES CAN BE POSADIST BUT ALSO RETARDS
THE AYYS ARE MY BUDDY NOT YOURS. DON'T TAKE THEIR FOOOOD

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So it really was just because they both have "well" in their name? I didn't want to believe it was that stupid but okay. Also that's not what irony means.

how would a replicant know the meaning of human irony?

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Replicants do use irony though, you fucking moron. I guess you might be too autistic to notice that though.

YOU ARE A FUCKING REPLICA OF A HOMO ERECTUS YOU DEGENRATE FRUITY FUCK
FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR IDIOCY
I WILL NOT TOLERATE PEOPLE SUCH AS YOU ON MY CHRISTIAN MINECRAFT SERVER
ILL HACK UR ROBLOX ACCOUNT FAGGOT
Ничего себе, ты перевел это! Поздравления!

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I think it's time to look up the word irony.

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FAILS TO RECOGNISE THE POTENTIAL POWER THAT COMES WITH JOINING THE NAZBOL GANG
ANCAP IS FOR AUTISMOTRONS
JOIN WITH ME AND WE CAN SHITPOST ON THIS BOARD AS FATHER AND SON

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cehckmate faggot

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They are too far entrenched in their own ideology despite their inevitable claims to the contrary
Stop trying to make sense of the thread or OP, trying to make sense of the nonsensical will drive you insane
Don't dignify anything with a reasonable response, post a reading list if you must but no effort posts, they're ignored
Just shitpost, the thread is one big shitpost m8, join us
JOIN THE NAZBOL GANG SHITPOSTING BRIGADE

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VICTORY

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