Does this board dislike all Kurdish groups, or only the over a dozen US military bases in Syria?
The PKK has never collaborated with imperialism. Israel helps Turkey bomb PKK positions as revenge for PKK's support for Palestine in the '80s.
The US, EU, and Canada still consider the PKK a terrorist organization. Doesn't sound like an imperialist puppet to me. But I could be wrong, and I'd like to hear opposing opinions.
Should leftists support the PKK and their cause, seeing as Erdogan's repressive policies will inevitably inflame the situation?
If you say anything nice about them, you'll get banned. Same thing about saying anything nice about soldiers. I don't think this necessarily reflects the board's attitudes so much as our BO's neuroses.
Just a forewarning.
Dylan Williams
Does "them" include the group that the US, UK, and EU consider a terrorist organization?
Elijah Wilson
You'll have to ask BO that question. I think the official "line" is that since the PKK is closely tied to PYD, all Kurds are Burger puppets.
Sebastian Phillips
This never happened. People were banned for promoting US positions in the region, mainly. You can say anything "nice" about them and nobody would give a shit. This never happened, either. People were banned for promoting joining the US army.
Yeah, like >>>Zig Forums 's persecution complex and obsession with BO.
Marxists don't prefer any ethnicity over any other. Kurds are one of the most progressive people in the region.
Dylan Scott
What's up, BO?
You banned me because I made a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure joke because ironically suggested they join the Spanish Foreign Legion to summon their stand (I was making fun of their uniforms).
I saw that I got unbanned, but methinks you've got something against soldiers for that to have happened at all. To my knowledge, they're a mostly vestigial regiment that don't actually do much.
Tyler Torres
No, anons definitely were banned for even stating that army members could be recruited into socialists groups or for giving materialist explanations regarding anti-imperialism, imperialism, and the military that BO disagreed with. Do you even check the moderation thread? I came back from a fucking four-week ban last month for explaining how people might get stuck becoming soldiers due to their conditions and how everything must be treated with necessity and pragmatism. I'm not even close to a fucking anarchist and have made my position on anti-imperialism clear multiple times, and I got banned for a single post.
Joshua Morgan
i once got banned by some assblasted anarkiddy infiltrator on this board for holding the syrian communist parties line of criticizing Assad and suggesting that he should probably leave after the conflict is resolved and if the syrian people decide so and not some foreign powers
there is a problem here, but it's not BO and antiimperialism, it's whiney ass liberals having a mental break and trying to create a strawman of antiimperialists just being "pro russian pro assad" for their simpleton minds cannot comprehend any nuance or actually acknowledge real socialists takes on the conflict outside of their "US vs Russia" scheme they push
Grayson Gutierrez
I actually remember this, was honestly surprised by the ban
Joseph Edwards
I don't know what to think about the PKK. Libcom.com attacks them for being "Stalinist" and having a cult of personality. Jacobin attacks them for not being Marxist enough, and for abandoning ML. But considering he was in a Turkish prison when he "converted", I'm pretty sure the "conversion" from ML was forced.
Cameron Cooper
I doubt anyone on this board holds any opinions about Kurds in general (unless someone here is actually a Kurd or someone else from a country with a large Kurdish population). However, it's obvious you're only asking about the PKK. You're trying to draw a distinction between the PKK and the PYD, but the fact of the matter is such a distinction doesn't really exist in practice. A Syrian Kurd in the PYD who crosses the border to Turkey becomes a PKK fighter, and vice versa. That said, the activities of the PKK in Turkey are certainly less objectionable, in my opinion, than their compatriots in Syria.
Could I get a source on that Syrian Communist Party (or Parties?) statement? I've found it's hard to find much they've put out in English.
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Owen Green
What is a better source on the PKK then? I haven't found any ☭TANKIE☭ website commentary on them at all.
Ian Murphy
The PKK and the ELZN are problems in that they're localized and focused on local issues, they don't have the scope to take down the global capitalist system.
Michael Jones
Apo just googled Bookchin, famalam. You should too.
Kayden Lewis
People deserve the right to national self-determination
Kurds should have self-rule in the form of their own country
Independent Kurdistan NOW!
Henry Thompson
We like the Kurds who side with Assad and Palestine.
Wyatt Myers
You mean like the Y P G?
Gavin Gray
Yeah. We love Russia and Iran instead because of their struggle for fascism/theocracy against the liberal west.
Isaiah Hernandez
Yes the US is clearly playing 4D chess and all Kurdish leftists are just sneaky traitors. Support Turkey against Kurdish imperialism
How many of you guys honestly support Ba'athists over the PKK/PYD? Think for a second about the objectives of both: Ba'athists (especially Syrian Ba'athists) are not even Marxist, whatever left-wing leadership elements they had got ousted during the process of the party getting taken over by members of the military committee. Meanwhile the PKK are building a genuinely democratic, communalist and egalitarian quasi-state. Why would you ever support Assad over the PKK? And don't you think criticising Kurds for US air support is like criticising Stalin for accepting lend-lease?
Assad actually has a chance of surviving the conflict, Apo/PYD doesn't. Developmentalist social democracy is dialectical, demcon isn't, it's idealist. Furthermore the USSR during lend lease didn't permanently put US air bases in their territory, Apo/PYD have.
Ryder Evans
PYD is doing what's necessary for them to survive. They realize they're just a chip in a bigger geopolitical game. And they have a chance of surviving the conflict because they don't threaten American interests in the region (for now at least), because there's a very slim chance of the PYD allowing an oil pipeline from Iran to cross over their lands, and preventing that pipeline was more or less the whole purpose of American intervention in the region.
Jaxson Green
They do have a chance of surviving if Turkey is reigned in. Leftists in the west as opposed to silently supporting Assad should be organising anti-war scale protests for the western governments to put pressure on Turkey to stop their genocide. Despite this idea that somehow supporting Assad is better 4D chess, it's really not because the situation in Syria is dictated a lot more by the political situation on the ground than the military one. Best example is elements of over a dozen US military bases in Syria pledging themselves to the Kurds to stop Turkey from doing a landgrab. I'm sure there will come a point when Assad will get scared that Turks might not actually vacate seized territories after the war ends and then all of a sudden Assad will once again align himself with Kurds militarily. And then what? A strong Kurdish element is going to be extremely helpful if it still exists in Syria at the time the war ends, so that it's not back to the same old Assad military committee bullshit, and something actually changes. Google dialectical naturalism The PYD didn't get thousands of tonnes of american weapons either. Different context requires different actions.
Liam Lee
I meant over a dozen US military bases in Syria and wrote US military bases. Excuse my retardation
Joshua Robinson
Oh I get it. Cute filter.
Landon Sanders
Most of the ☭TANKIE☭s on this board don't know shit about the Kurdish groups so they lump them all together. It's basically Turkish propaganda tier with stuff like over a dozen US military bases in Syria/PKK/PYD/YPJ/USA/CIA/COININTELPOL/UN/EXON MOBILE and so on
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Jason Hall
that is a guy user
Eli Myers
I don't dislike kurdish groups. I dislike tools of imperialism. I have no problem with what they want to achieve, but instead who they cooperate with.
Hunter Williams
False dichotomy brainlet. PKK and Assad have been close allies since the '80s.
… while whoring themself out to NATOs and the worlds biggest army, becoming merely another proxy along the jihadists and that second biggest army of the NATO sure wonder why that always is something you forget to mention being in conflict with an ally of your ally doesn't elevate you from being a dirty whore
Joseph Sanders
But Assad himself claimed the over a dozen US military bases in Syria was an ally who just pretended to be anti-Assad to get American gibs. It was in one of his interviews with Western media. What reason would he have to lie about this?
Joshua Evans
Pic is an Italian anarkiddie volunteer with a ps2 lol but thank you for proving my point
The PKK aren't in Syria, roach. They've been fighting T*rkey since the 80's and have crossed into only Iraq. They're the most successful and longest resistance against a NATO member. Unless you meant the Y.P.G. then that's some MIT op shit right there.
Why doesn't PKK take over over a dozen US military bases in Syria?
Xavier Murphy
It has its own season to fight,and this summer is going to be a bloody one in Turkey and Afrin.
Ayden Hall
Can you elaborate?
Michael Ward
Well, Turkey has recently occupied Afrin, and Y-P-G is currently waging a guerilla campaign in the region. The PKK are most likely also gonna retaliate.
Isaiah Hill
PKK only fight in the summer, recruit and recoup in winter. Afrin is a kurdish region in Syria that was occupied by Turkish backed rebels. Afrin's regular forces withdrew, and it is quietnow: indicates a plan for a summer guerrilla offensive. A coordinated effort from the PKK and Afrin guerillas will hurt Turkey hard.
Jacob Kelly
Interesting. If you know anything more about the PKK I'd love to hear it. English language info about them is extremely sparse online.
Carter Hall
I dont know how to express how retarded you are without writing too much about it and thus creating the false impression that you have an argument worth engaging with. so have the first result of an imagesearch for "big poo" instead.
My info is mostly from speaking with an ME expert I know Im afraid.
Kayden Adams
I didnt know that letting American planes blow up ISIS for you while consolidating your position and building a positive working relationship with Assad, Russia and Hezbollah counted as "whoring yourself out to NATO". If anybody is getting cucked here it's the US, since they have basically been helping an ally of the Axis of Resistance this whole time.
Jace Thomas
This. Most leftists see the US imperialists as evil geniuses. In reality, although they have shitloads of bombs and missiles that can kill huge amounts of civilians, they're laughably incompetent at accomplishing their strategic objectives.
Their Iraq invasion backfired so spectacularly that they had to start shit in Syria to prevent the "Shia axis" they themselves inadvertently created through their own basic ignorance of the region's history and makeup.
YPG know this and played Obama/Trump like a fiddle. On the same day they suck up to the US, they organize meetings with Assad and Hezbollah. According to Assad himself, the weapons shipments they get from Assad's government are hushed up and hidden from American eyes so the US doesn't realize they're being swindled.
Brody James
Basically this. The Y.P.G. campaign in Afrin is killing scores of jihadists and the occasional batch ot Turks that haven't left yet. Also while not the same, the PKK is like a fraternal organization to the Y.P.G. and will surely ramp up attacks. They already have killed a few this month. Pics related.
claiming that an entity which has been ruling the majority of the planet is incompetent sounds like some psyop to me tbh
Asher Barnes
Weird how all those US airbases are still there.
That's because it is, le incompetent CIA meme is a classic trick.
Dominic Baker
Are they getting gains from it or are they losing in these attacks?
Andrew Thomas
Do you think they achieved their strategic objectives with Iraq?
Dylan Rivera
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Kayden Brown
They successfully installed dozens of puppet regimes in Latin America, Africa, and Asia. They successfully destroyed the majority of the world's socialist states, most notably the USSR. They successfully assassinated hundreds of revolutionary leaders, both in the US and abroad. They successfully maintained the partition of Korea. They successful developed the most deadly weapon in history and successfully used it to massacre hundreds of thousands of people. They successfully eliminated any meaningful domestic opposition. And they successfully got idiots like you to think that they're incompetent.
Nathaniel Stewart
It's guerilla warfare so no land, but hit and run tactics are bleeding the jihadists dry. The Turkish tanks and APC's have actually pulled out because they don't want anymore ATGM videos and most Turkish regulars have also pulled out. All that's left are advisers and special forces/MIT intelligence to break up the occasional infighting (first vid is of one group arresting 350 opposing jihadists over the loot of Afrin. This was one day after it was """liberated""" lmao). Pics all related
All of this happened during the previous Cold War. Ever since Iraq, the US has failed at every one of its objectives. They are hopelessly overextended, and their personnel lack basic knowledge of the region's history, demography, and language. Doesn't mean they're not the #1 threat to the human race. Think of them as a hopelessly retarded giant wielding a massive club. It only has the brainpower to smash and blow shit up.
Owen Smith
Shit what's going on in the second video? Are those Turkish backed ihadists?
Aaron Sanders
Just because you are too stupid to figure out what they are doing doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. They've only failed at the objectives they lied about having. Like peace in the middle east.
Brody Carter
How would strengthening "death to Israel and America" Iran by empowering the Shia majority in Iraq serve their interests?
Cameron Bennett
None of that matters the plan has always been permanent occupation.
Owen Roberts
If the plan was permanent occupation, they failed miserably.
Yeah, because it's totally not like they spent years trying to train local militaries that could maintain their puppet states for them. Permanent occupation has never been viable for them.
Colton Wood
This.
Liam Parker
Yeah, I don't know the specific faction but honestly the only difference is hometown. The jihadists always film their "martyrs" and there's tons of vids of their friends dying in Afrin all over Twitter. Vid is in two parts: first is of the Y.P.J. hitting a truck with an ATGM and the second is of the aftermath. It's actually pretty gruesome. This is after Afrin fell as well
