Xi may claim to be a marxist and all, but can we just drop this "China is socialist" meme?
Highest Income inequality in Asia. Even higher than the US
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Yes, please.
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Who was the retard that unironically claimed that current China is socialist?
A lot of ☭TANKIE☭s
There's an army of China shills on this board
There are many of them. Ismail of /marx/, Ajit Singh, Caleb Maupin, lots of "twitter ☭TANKIE☭s" and ☭TANKIE☭ bloggers, multiple anons on Zig Forums including the Lenin hat faggot.
Where are they? where do they hide? how is it that I can never witness one of them?
I bet Ego_something_jeffum is one of them.
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Maybe lurk for more than ten minutes and you'll encounter them.
I have read the name Ismail somewhere.
The Lenin hat guy is some mysoginistic incel Aidan clone.
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Oh, I didn't know MEXIE was a """liberal"""". Where is this evidence that she is pro free market? fuck off, Aidan. You'll never be a real woman.
He's the BO of /marx/. He has read a fuck ton of books and is generally pretty cool but he's also a brezhnevite ultra-revisionist China cuck.
See for yourself
Go discuss Mexie in the Mexie thread. This is a China hate thread.
t. butthurt Amerifat
Make better threads, assholes.
VEGANISM EQUALS FREE MARKET EQUALS NAZBOL
Suck my dick. Prove she is an actual liberal or suck my dick, you pathetic bitch ass Aidan.
they're reducing it, it has consistently fallen since 2011 or so.
they also kill them all the time.
Then it seems reading all of those books hasn't him helped that much.
Tankie at this point doesn't mean shit.
I'm a ☭TANKIE☭ by this board definitions, but I don't support the invasion of hungary or czechoslovakia.
That said, China after mao is not fucking socialist. Even roo agrees. The only brainlet who doesn't agree is wolff who is hated by most ☭TANKIE☭s
U mean Richard? wtf, when did he say that?
RD Wolff? He uses modern China as an example of socialism? Anyway, in that case he's not the only one:
I'm not saying I don't have hopes for Xi Jinping, but to claim the CPC is actively committed in its majority to building socialism is laughable. Besides, what do you mean "kill them"? How is that accomplished? And why is it better to kill capitalists than to not have capitalists at all?
Said nobody in the mexie thread. However, it was made clear that she dresses herself in Marxist lingo emptying it out from meaning like typical university liberals going through their "radical phase" to justify her lifestyle choices. It's not that mexie is a free market zealot. It's that she has absolutely zero understanding of the very basics of radicalism and she uses "cool sounding terms" like "exploitation" to describe stealing a lollypop from a kid.
With RDW: if you actually take out China from the global economy, capitalism has been actually growing poverty worldwide.
Don't bet on the fact that he says that it's socialist now, but he think china will deliver in 2050.
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Reducing extreme income inequality a tiny bit is actually existing socialism.
Doesn't mean shit if it's not done for the purpose of building socialism. China is a capitalist state and isn't showing any signs of going in a different direction.
They ain't number one yet, and if the ussr couldn't topple america what more China ? (While it still catches up, albeit with the gap now much more narrower than before)
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Is this supposed to be an argument?
No, but your butthurt will speak for itself.
Socialism with a Gucci bag.
I challenge anybody here to tell me which recent execution I'm talking about, if you search the China Daily archives you're going to come up with three contenders from the past year. Socialism done right!
Yes this threads concern is definitely about "socialism"
I mean, I don't understand how a corrupt government makes something not Marxist or not socialist?
Do they have a socialistic political framework that leads the economy by democratic decision making?
I mean, that appears to be the case.
Any political system is going to face repression by the borg; doesn't make them less of what they are.
Fuck no they fucking don't, they are hyper-capitalist.
Uh yes they do.
They have a democratic council headed by democratically elected representatives of different localities. They hold general assembles and vote in the leader of the central committee.
They even have deputies appointed by the central chair.
I'm seriously not suprised to see that none you seem to know how china's political system works
You do realize nobody is actually allowed to run for election, the party chooses a single candidate for each "election", even at the local level, who runs unopposed. Pretending there are "democratically elected representatives" and then, furthermore, that those "elected representatives" have any actual power beyond being a rubber stamp group (on fear of political persecution). This level of dishonesty is not helpful to the left and shows that some of you don't actually care about leftism in any true form, you're in it for much more nefarious purposes.
Those are claims that require proof.
I'll accept that they are a rubber stamp group, but, that seems pretty extraordinary of a claim that every single representative of a country of like 3 billion people would be hand picked.
Also the hyper capitalist meme needs to die. Only 25% of the economy is actually nationalized.
And keep complaining about your not real leftists, I'm more interested in how things actually are not inane purity spirals as I sit on my keyboard collecting cheeto dust.
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Right before the USSR's collapse with a socdem revisionist in charge… hmm
Let's see. China has:
Some of those are defining features of capitalism and some are problems caused by capitalism. It's not about a "corrupt government", they literally have a capitalist mode of production. The only argument you've got to support the claim that China is socialist is the fact that a lot of large companies are state owned, but state ownership is not socialist by default.
China has a 25% market share that doesn't w even funnel all its wealth into the CCP ffs.
Corruption and having money doesn't make the country not Marxist get over you fucking cuck, lmao.
The soviet union had the same shit.
Now we can argue over whether that mode of production is socialist or not and imo it is but if you agree the soviet union was socialist then you can't deny china because it opened up its economy an iota.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Of course your superior opinions facts don't need a strong theoretical background to sustain themselves. I mean it's just human nature self-evident.
This.
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potential behaviors they forbid, coupled with China’s pervasive culture of
censorship.16 Ultimately, China’s efforts to preserve social order through
censorship undermine an important element of the rule of law.
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this has to be the most pathetically brainlet comment I've read on this board up to this point, congrats.
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Butt hurt Mao fags.
this is evidence for flawed democratic process in their "peoples government", this is completely related, your just a butthurt child, who has no clue what he's on about, and that's ok.
what was even the point of this post?
It only looks like it was made to make yourself feel better
what was even the point of this post?
It only looks like it was made to make yourself feel better
Source that only 25% of the economy is privately owned please.
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what did you mean by this? Apparently billionaires and absence of worker control are part of a socialist society lmao
What fucking democratic process under a global capitalist hegemony isn't flawed?
Can you answer that question?
I wanted proof that every representative was hand picked like you said. That's not how control works In systems anymore.
You can't just jackhill everyone into submission anymore.
Read a little chomsky.
I did, it has peoples assemblies held by democratically elected delegates headed by a centralized federal government.
The exact same model the soviet union had; and Cuba and North Korea and all he other states that exist today.
Now how exactly well these systems function is up for debate but that doesn't change what the system itself is.
As far as the source, I mean, I read it years ago. I don't have it anymore, sorry.
But I know what I read and saw, so, believe what you want.
What you described is not at all incompatible with capitalism. If you want to make an argument that China is socialist you need to show that the economic system doesn't operate in a capitalist manner, which you haven't even attempted to do.
The economic system of China currently, is nothing like pre-Gorby USSR, I'm sorry.
If you want to discuss whether a society is socialist or capitalist, you need to analyze how the production is organized, how the economic system functions, which you haven't done. "democratically elected delegates headed by a centralized federal government" is not enough dude. The parallels you're drawing between the USSR and China are perfectly useless without comparing the economic systems of said countries.
Please, just tell me what definitions of "socialism" and "capitalism" you're working with and then show how the economic system of modern China is in accordance with the former, and in contradiction to the latter.
Imagine my shock.
I never said that
that's not an argument
I use the same methodology as any Marxist; Workers control of production socially.
I'm. Not understanding how china isn't, at least in principle, that.
Even if it were the case (it isn't), this isn't sufficient.
But it is, and that's where the conflict lies.
The fact that leftypol has to resort to memes and straw is pretty telling.
Whenever Zig Forums and Zig Forums discuss AES, the thread is almost invariably filled with strawmen and autistic screeching. I guess that what we get when most of our userbase is americ*n.
Any ☭TANKIE☭ that would say with a straight face that China is socialist is a fucking retard. They have Chinese people (including children) work in sweat shops to make iPhones for Christ sake. You can't get anymore capitalist than that
That's why we have purges.
No they don't. Foxconn doesn't employ children. Regardless the primary goal of socialism is the destruction of American hegemony, not the creation of an orthodox socialist state. Once America is forced to cede its hegemon status socialism will have a fighting chance in this world.
Read Marx
Nothing says American hegemony more than making iPhones for Apple of Cupertino, CALIFORNIA, USA. LMAO
nah, anime sucks. that show is boobs vs. butts and that's it.
That's the primary goal of anti-imperialism. The primary goal of socialism should be the development of a (lower stage) communist society.
I agree however; first step is to get rid of merica in favor of multipolarity.
You Read Marx
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building socialism in the 21st century requires anti-imperialism and real action against capital: ending exploitation and the extraction of surplus, increasing public ownership, promoting class consciousness. It doesn't have to be perfect or ideologically pure, but if an anti-imperialist movement doesn't even attempt at these things then there's no reason to support it.
I barebacked a Chinese hooker with my BWC and came inside her oriental pussy. There are plenty of Chinese girls that would jump at the chance to get knocked up by western autistic incels. China won't be ending western hegemony anytime soon
this is your brain on tanks
Not even Jason Unruhe is this bad. He admits that China is no longer socialist. His apologism for Best Korea kills all his credibility tho. Heh
The Chinese government is also creating a monster by liberalizing their economy. A lot of Chinese millionaires+ are getting involved in international drug trade and using foreign real estate in the United States, Canada, Australia, etc. for money laundering. As a way to get around Chinese government regulations. The Chinese are investing a shit ton in crypto-currency as well for the same reason. In fact a prominent CEO of a Chinese crypto exchange (Binance) moved his operations to Tokyo. And he and Bitfinex (based in Taiwan) are looking to make the move to Malta.
The Chinks are sending their capital abroad and fleeing the country. When the Chinese government gave Chinese porkies a taste of muh freedom and the good life, this has only made the chink porkies want to hide their assets from the Chinese government and move abroad.
My fellow /biz/tards think that there is a yellow peril Chinese conspiracy (basically the Asian version of Jews in their mind) to take over the west. But really it's just rich chinks cashing in on the IOUs that westerners gave to the Chinese to import their goods. When you pay the Chinaman to sell you finished products, eventually the Chinaman is going to want something in return for that. When you give a Chinaman a dollar, it's basically an IOU towards the assets of your country.
China is communist
1.China is lead by Communist Party
2.That makes marxism mandotory subject in school,just like Poland did under communism along SU
3.Strict party discipline
4.Ideological debate within the party
5. Party is ruled by democratic centralism(marxist-leninist practice, used on SU)
6.National congress and polibyro meetings are limited to few days(just like in SU)
7.Multiple parties form "United front".(For example National congress of SU had 23% of it`s members as independents and not members of any party)
8.State owns nearly all land in country collectively
Sounds more like market socialism than free market capitalism to me. Hong Kong is definitely free market capitalist.
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Kek Germany is equal only because nobody has anything.
The fact that corporations exist at all is why China is not socialist. Instead of abolishing class, the state uses class to profit becoming it's managing class in the process.
I guess the only qualifications for being communist isn't workers owning the means of production but just calling yourself communist, how could I forget?
While China has Markets and a private sector, it still has the key industries under their control and that is the control of the communist party, I'll mind you.
But you might ask.
You see, the Chinese State is controlled by Workers and farmers. They make up the most part of the CPCh.
While China has markets, they do have five year plans that aim at providing a better life for the people and forming China into a well off prosperous socialist nation.
China has lifted, in the last 30 years, 600 Million out of poverty. Poverty
population has averagely decreased 22.29 million per year. The Income average of each Chinese rises faster than the GDP with 7%
Yes, China also has income equality.China allowed inequality to grow but stopped the drift to unfairness at the start of the 21st century., whereas it has carried on despite the Crisis in the West
The Bourgeoisie in China exists, yes, but they need to obey to the Communist party and need to follow their rules. The Economy isn't your typical western Market economy, it is a socialist Market economy.
The left wing in the CPC is pushing through
with hu jinato and Xi Jinping. They've fought and continue the fight against Jiang Zemin and his followers.
Till 2050 China plans to be a socialist Nation and till 2021 China will be poverty free.
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Managers outnumber workers in the CCP.
Workers+Farmers+Reitrees+Technical Staff outweigh the "manager" groups though (which would be managers, govt/state agencies)
The sons and brothers of bureaucrats aren't "workers" by any definition of the word
…is this a false flag? I mean it must be
manager != bourgeoisie