Sex

Personally I don't really care about that.
Both are fine. They aren't virtues, nor are they sins/degenerate/what have you.
Against in a capitalist system because it's not just exploitation but sexual exploitation, which is disgusting.
Sex workers themselves are fine.

"them" being pharmaceutical companies

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tl;dr We don't agree really on anything socially besides that were leftists and that we don't like liberals. Opinions will vary from socially "conservative" to socially "liberal". Threads regarding such things will get more responses and arguments then actual theory threads despite this being an anti-idpol board because we are addicted to bait.

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Tbh, I've never bought the whole "mutilation therefore nutso" association anyway. Even if somebody wants to cut their dick off or get a fucking neo-vagina or whatever, it's their body so I don't really care. Like, if you can walk into a dick-subtraction clinic and crawl back out to your life as a functional human being, you're fine. Allowing the market to have dictatorial influence over the likelihood that they can (or possibly will) is bad one way or the other, however.

Who gived a shit? There are people who will always screw around and other people who'd rather have monogamous relationships. Now this changes in a capitalist context where is the media that tells you what your sexual life should he like, what your sexual taste should be like and what your relationship should be like. It's the hip thing to don't have a monogamous relationship because this would mean that your boss can't send you to china. I'm against this, I am against this type of influence. If there is no economic or social pressure people will show their true colours. I don't care what comes out of it, the important thing is that they are free, if ya know what i mean.
Again not a problem if you don't cause problems. If you are a pedo and aids ridden you get shot in the first case and go to a walled city in the second case
This is kind of ichy. Now, I don't think they are a problem but I also think that a lot of confusion is caused by social alienation in a capitalist society. In a communist society if we can't find a better way they'll still exist, less but still exist
We had a thread the other day. Absolutely disgusting, vile, violent and the definitive form of spectacle. If someone is an exhibitionist and wants to put his video on the web for free, that's his buisness. Professional porn tho will not exist and I'd like to take care personally of all the porno capitalist.

True, but I don't think there is something bad in being conservative like me

Purely voluntary, both sex and marriage.

affairs within marriage are unacceptable and should be punished both administratively and by unfavourable terms of divorce.

Mental illnesses. Soviet/Chinese position on those was the closest to correctness. Homosexuality should, nontheless, be decriminalized

Low entertainment. It should be banished from mainstream culture and media, but still semi-legal.

All sexuality is fascist and should be abolished.

Lenin didn't care much about homosexuality either way to outright ban it, when most of the church's integration into the state vanished, so did much of its laws. I could see it in the past as an issue of sexually transmitted diseases…but we also have contraception today. In any case, Stalin caved to social pressure because of the furious Russian Orthodox Church

China legalized homosexuality before pretty much every Western nation, it was made legal in the 90's when bringing up the idea in say, America, you would get laughed at.

The real problem with trying to make laws around sex yada yada, is there's no real material reason for any socialist society to give much of a shit. Especially today with available contraception, labeling everything as "illegal mental illness" seems arbitrary when, aside from transsexuals, homosexuality really doesn't have much evidence in the case of it being a mental problem, or personality disorder. All that was really cast out of psychological literature about 60 years ago

Birth rate and disease are pretty material.

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you may pick only one
being "liberal" on the issue doesn't make you put a focus on identity groups but that you do not care and restrict people on their expression of it
being "conservative" automatically means you put importance on it that you feel the need to go after identity groups and be authoritarian on them

But where do we go from there? The problem with with legislating human behavior/body's in a non-medical fashion can get out of control very quickly; not particularly to many people's benefit.

While I have no doubt that people will end up having sex before marriage simply out of the reality that their first partner may not work out, I'm in agreement with Zizek that true, authentic love can only to monogamous as it is a traumatic event which it requires you to hold your partner as absolute and above all other things.
I personally have no problem with people who happen to be gay, but I will say I am personally disgusted by the culture that has been built around it and by the attitude of promiscuity that some people have in regards to their sexuality.
Mixed opinion, though I do feel that a lot of cases nowadays are due to capitalist alienation and confusion rather then some actual "gender" problem. I do also find the idea of "gender" to be non-existent, only sex can be shown to exist.

I did write that homosexuality should be decriminalized.
As for the mental illness part, it's simple. Prevalence of buttsex is bad for you. You are unable to create a natural family unit and bear children, extremely unlikely to have monogamous relations in general.

"I'm not a pollack, I just care about all the stupid, pathological, insecure shit that they do."

Where I'm from, conservative has more to do with as certain set of attitudes and beliefs. So while socially and in my personal life I may be somewhat "conservative" and encourage such ideas, in no way do I feel the need to enforce these ideas by force or by law. Just because I disagree with the idea of transexuality for example does not mean I'm calling for gulags and executions for these people.

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the fuck is "the idea of transexuality"?

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Any sex outside of marriage is gulag worthy tbh

And so is sex. If "doing something that is physically detrimental" is what's required to meet the criteria for mental illness, just how many other ways can we even classify mental illness

Are repeated stress injuries mental illness? After all, its a repeated injury, why didn't they stop? Should carrying children be considered a mental illness? Why not? You can possibly break your pelvis in the process. You could get Ovarian Cancer, and the like. Sometimes even death during birth

It's not a mental illness because any activity done on biological life has the alternate possibility of causing injury or harm is part of being a living organism, you don't exactly live without breaking a bone once or twice

Yes, as of right now, homosexuality can spread disease, but that doesn't neccisarily mean it can be classified as "mental illness"; if the spread of venereal disease categorized you as mentally ill, heterosexuals of the 19th and 18th, early 20th, however many; would be mentally ill, using your logic. The spread of syphilis exploded far more than HIV and AIDS ever did, I don't have the numbers but I believe it's certainly killed more people throughout history

Which brings us to your second criteria that this is mental illness

If reproduction is the sole purpose of sex, why do most forms of vertebrate life engage in homosexuality; it would have to be an extremely common mental illness throughout the world of vertebrates

For many reasons, Homosexuality is no longer considered a mental illness; far before any activism for it started in any significant way in the western world, the fields of mental health have not considered it a mental illness for 60 years or more

Sorry about your mom divorcing your dad champ

Hypersexualism is trash. There's a reason why fascists are overly obsessed with gonads and muh traditional sex roles, and why Porky sensationalizes fucking and the lifestylism around it. When fash whine about homosexuals and trannies, they're just covering for their own inherent faggotry and the intellectual bankruptcy of their ideology, and inevitably they exacerbate (intentionally) all of the horribleness of sexuality.

Most grown-ass, sane men understand sexuality as the chemical addiction that it is. They don't fucking make it the center of their ideology unless they're fucktards.

Porn isn't great because it isn't real but the rest are, might I add that taboos such as pedophilia and more should also be allowed.
Sage for sex post, these threads are always just petty spooked arguments and discussion that goes nowhere.

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Go back to watching Reddit and Memey you virgin fuck, fuck off and die alone, I mean quicker than you will, because faggots like you will inevitably die alone.

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I mean that I don't think "gender" exists, or at least the idea that certain attitudes or personality attributes can be grouped up together to become a "male" gender or a "female" gender. I can show you the sex of a person, but to say "gender" exists seems absurd to me as there is really no established limit to how far you can take such groupings and labeling of felt attributes. A man who feels "female" is still very much a man, and same for female who feels "male". Even if some established "genders" existed and their was a concrete "feeling" or "identity" we could call male or female in relation to sex, you could ever truely know what it is to "be" the gender of the opposite sex of what you allegedly claim to have the gender of. The whole thing seems to be based on feeling more then anything.

I have pre-marital sex with a trans woman in her asshole semi regularly. Were both also dating other people.

*you could never truely know

Do what you want I dont care. I think sex is gross personally, but I'm also a fucked up schizoid weirdo, but I'm not going to let that prevent others from doing their thing.

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He's right tho, and understanding that actually decrease the likeliness of being alone your whole life because then you'll understand a strong relationship is not centered around "let's fugg :DDD" you damn teenager.

Why the emotional defensiveness against someone you believe is a nerd virgin who will die alone and miserable? Kind of shows how weak your argument is.

I've seen enough pathetic, sex-addled men, incels caught in the hamster wheel, and jaded faggots to realize this. I'd rather be a miserable 50 year old virgin than be like that. It's cheaper, it's safer, and it gives me a lot more free time to do things that I actually like.

As to the supposedly healthy relationship, I'm not seeing a whole lot of those. This world is not a place I'd want to raise a family in, especially since I know what would happen to my children given the eugeno-fascist bent of the present order. If all of the eugenicists were systematically liquidated, then maybe, but even then it's not like I'm particularly driven to breed, and I'm already getting up in years.

Enjoy walking on me fucking your wife 2 years from now because you couldn't please her, start watching cuck porn now, Pururin has some nice NTR doujins, I'd recommend starting there because you'll be seeing that daily once I start fucking her.

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Retard, I don't need an argument when I know something like that is guaranteed.
Forgot my sage.

Who care
Would like to understand the basis for it coming about, but who cares
Should be clarified as being mental illness because it always causes mental anguish to the people suffering from it, should be researched more because there's fuck all research on the causes of it.
Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.
STOP WATCHING PORN

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You realize your wife is going to be cry ing on the marital bed because you have no idea how to please a woman right?

I find casual sex distasteful but I wouldn't want anyone trying to outlaw it or anything, don't see any problem with premarital sex in actual relationships
"gay culture" is pretty awful but nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality itself
Its a legit medical condition that has to do with some parts of the brain developing as the opposite sex, and the only effective treatment for it at the moment is to transition.
Admittedly the increasing levels of acceptance over the past decade or so has resulted in some people calling themselves trans just for attention, or based purely on social reasons- most "non-binary" people I've seen tend to identify themselves as such purely because they don't conform to stereotypical gender roles, which is ironically extremely gender essentialist. I've seen a few "non-binary" people who expressed feelings about their bodies similar to other trannies, but they seem to be in the minority
A lot of it is made by desperate people and under terrible conditions, which is a problem that would hopefully be solved by socialism. Also, at the risk of sounding like an sjw or whatever, I think that it can give people unrealistic expectations about sex.
I don't see a problem with it as long as its not exploitative though, there's a difference between some "BACKDOOR SLUTS 69 XXX" video that was made by the mafia and amateur porn made willingly by an actual couple

I mean, you have to be pretty fucking pathetic to lash out at incels of all people. They're fucking runts. It's like liberal whining about poor people.

It's okay I'll please her for him.

If we never pressure them into sex they won't have it, I'm helping them.

Incels don't need a fuck, they need to get out of the hypersexualist ideology they've fallen into and realize the whole thing is shit. I've seen what happens when incels finally get laid, and they're still insufferable shits and failures as human beings, and they usually wind up as unhappy as they were before, or even worse off. Knew a guy who knocked up a total trash woman who abused him; last I heard he was in prison now, thanks to the prodding by incel forum people for him to abandon his self-respect and keep chasing after this horrible situation.

loser

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Yeah sex isn't a magical cute all who knew.

It's almost like it's just a way to be intimate with someone and get a dopamine high or something.

You should just say "get a dopamine high". There is no intimacy in a set of predefined rituals everyone is pressured to engage in, so they can make babies for Porky.

If there is a natural order of things, most men are going to fail at finding a mate. It's ridiculous for most men to think that they need to have a woman to be complete, or something like that.

Actually when you orgasm your brain releases chemicals that are proven to encourage the forging of strong emotional bonds, and since you're fucking someone that's who you are forging those bonds with. Sex is 100% an intimacy building tool.

Relationships do involve sex, but to pretending actual meaningful relationships are built on sex or revolve around sex is the most retarded shit I've heard in this thread and is only something I've heard from people who have never been in a permanent relationship and treat partners like they are just someone who can fulfill a certain need. Sex without love or absolute meaning is just mutual masturbation.

Gender isn't about feelings at all. In fact, you could almost say it's the exact opposite, considering it's an ideological category, pertaining more to societal roles rather than personal, subjective identity.

*to pretend

You have autism

It's a sad day when a autist is sane and supposedly well-adjusted normals say and do the stupidest shit imaginable.

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How do you qualify as sane if you have a developmental disorder that precludes you from understanding the motives and emotions of other people in certain conditions

k both of you have autism

This is even more retarded because roles are changing all the time and are not concrete. If a man decides to cook and care for his children, does he fulfill the societal role of being "female"? Is he now the "female " gender? If a woman wears a "male" clothing and wears her hair short is she now the "male" gender?

Sex really is a topic that riles up the incels.

I don't think anyone in this thread (who is being serious) is actually saying relationships are built on sex or that it's the most important thing but I'm in my experience, and I've been in relationships ranging from 4 years to weeks, sexless relationships are generally way more empty and hollow than ones without sex.

If I'm dating a girl who is saving herself for marriage it's an immediate red flag that she is a prudish, emotionally immature, basket case.

Being able to have sex and have a normal relationship at the same time is a sign of maturity and being an adult and you seem to think it's the opposite. Are you a muslim?

Most important thing for prolonging your bloodline

Distractions for pleasure.

Dangerous territory. Is that the best thing for your kids / family? Situational but very often self harming.

Wealth concentrates in family. Strong family / bloodline -> capital building on existing capital. Weak family -> capital gets lost.

What is so bad about porn? The people who participate in it have done so out of their own free will. There were countless other ways for them to earn some cash if you're getting at that.

Try talking about things you have experience with instead

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So it IS about feelings, but you give it a political charge to pretend you're not just being a weaselly dumbass, gotcha.

Nice try, Satan

I don't doubt relationships involve sex, I merely objected to the focus of them being sex.
This may reflect more on you then the girl. If she feels that she wants to be with you but also is not too keen on sex, while you on the other hand feel the relationship cannot work without your needs for sex being met, maybe you two simply aren't made for each other. However, I would say this is a shallow reason as all relationships are made out of sacrifice and compromise, and that if you truly loved her then she would be absolute to you regardless of her "faults".
Would it matter? If you have to know, Catholic

I dunno, but you sure as hell don't look well-adjusted if you need to justify yourself this badly.

I've seen enough of others' misery to know that there's nothing out there for me, and for a good number of people. If they still want to breed, or go through the motions of a relationship, I won't and can't stop them, but I'm usually there when the result is inevitable failure, and when their kids are swallowed up by this capitalistic society and turned into more insufferable shits.

Gender is purely about assigning social roles to women and men, so that they keep making babies for "society" and do so in the way the ruling class wants. It is necessarily tied to physical traits, and necessarily binary as there are only two sexes that are relevant for the purposes of reproduction. (Gender, as a rule, edits out of the existence of intersexed people, and compels members of both sexes to abide by reproductive rules.)

Oh I read it wrong, I read it as being married / committed and then having sex.

It still feels awful to use condoms though.

This may not be wholly the case ano-
Oh. I can already see we were approaching this from far different angles.

I'm not a strict anti-natalist, only recognizing that now, in this world, is not a good time to have babies. We're in for a mass depopulation, for a totalitarian nightmare that will make the Nazis look nice. What should I think is going to happen, especially to myself and to any children I would sire?

The anti-natalist argument, at least the liberal version of it, is asinine and infantile. They're worried about potential suffering? Life is suffering, that shit was figured out millennia ago. The decision to breed children, or the decision to live or die, isn't something that can be purely resolved by philosophy or logic, because the human impulse to live or breed simply isn't rational in of itself.

blanket ban on all sex, mandatory castration

Its depressing that I have to somewhat agree with this.

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They have little to do with each other.

T H I S

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What's it matter? Do you lazy obese pinko's really think any woman other than a hooker would look at you twice in all of your mental infantalism and tendylust?

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gas everyone who didn't sage

this

s-sorry

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This is the best post on Zig Forums

Lenin was correct and free love is the gateway to fascism.
And if there is a hell Patient Zero is 100% there right now.

Oh here we go, another Zig Forumstard shitting up Zig Forums, about to tell us that we're idpol cucks. Can you just get out haha?
What the fuck? Do you seriously care about this? What past century did you time travel from?
Homosexuality is good.
Transsexuality is good.
Degenerate.

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Dad died when I was in the womb : )

Nothing wrong, as long as its consensual and over AoC
Nothing wrong. I personally think being exclusively straight or gay is dumb, but not worth fighting over.
Nothing wrong, in the sense that current scientific consensus says gender dysphoria is a real thing and transitioning is the best choice for some people. This is backed up by empirical evidence and anyone who claims to be a materialist should acknowledge this. That said, we should look towards destroying gender as a concept, and get rid of all the unsupported attack helicopter genders.
Nothing wrong, so long as it's done voluntarily.

The AoC is totally arbitrary and varies from place to place. Honestly I think any attempt to police consensual relations with minors is almost inevitably going to cause massively more harm than would occur otherwise.

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pedos are fucking sick, and the AoC "varying" basically means it's between 16 and 18. It's not arbitrary, it's the average age when women become sexually active AND actually mentally capable of bringing up a child. Getting a 14 year old pregant, just because "the AoC is arbitrary" would ruin the kid for her entire life. So no, the age of consent is right where it's supposed to be. In most of the west at least.

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You completely ignored how porn can degenerate men and increase their pedo and rapist instincts.
Aside from that, I suppose I agree with you on everything.
Except that TERFs did nothing wrong.

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I don't agree with pedophilia but I feel like this needs more explanation. You're saying pedophilia is wrong because it can get someone pregnant. What if the pedophile and the victim can't reproduce with each other, or the pedophile becomes pregnant?

AoC is not the same as pregnancy.

not exactly. There are pshychological reasons to condemn pedophilia. But if somebody defends pedos, they'll just probably ingore said arguements, so I tried highlighting a different angle
yeah, prtection is a thing but anything can happen and it's better not to risk it
if you mean that the victim isn't fertile yet, then the act itself could traumatize the kid.
well, in that case, the victim is excepted to be the father of the child, as he is the biological father, after all. Which, again, a 14 year old will not be up to.

I never said that
nevertheless, sex can, and in quite a lot of cases (believe it or not) does lead to pregnancy.

I don't go around collecting data as if I were some researcher.
Just trust me on that one if you wish.
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ok ill bite
nothing wrong with it but i prefer people get married early and stay monogamous this prevents stds and other problems
pic related
traps are gay
porn would not be commercially produced under socialism

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Speak for yourself, reactionary.

"Being against porn"
"Being reactionary"
What kind of mental glitch is this?