What is Zig Forums opinion on american college liberals? Do you agree with their goals?

What is Zig Forums opinion on american college liberals? Do you agree with their goals?

And before this thread devolves into shitposting, yes, i'm a Zig Forumstard.

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We don't agree with any liberals.

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They are ruining leftism since the 60's.
No I don't agree with their goals

no. why does this question need to be asked? quit getting your praxis from youtube comments

We don't

I don't know. Do you have The Manifesto of the College Liberals I can read?

the real question is HOW THE FUCK DO WE GET THEM OUT OF OUR MOVEMENTS?

Kick them out, easy as that. Distinguishing a legit socialist from a liberal is easy asf, so they won't get in either.

what movements?

is there even any group that isnt already totally dominated by shitty liberal grad school socialists where that is even possible?

Probably not, that leaves us with just one option, forming our own groups, albeit they'll be very small if targeted at actual socialists.

Marxism-Leninism

almost all of the liberal bullshit we deal with now originated from fucking grad school "marxist-leninists"

Another question, why did the leftist movements quietly snubbed Marxism and class struggle from their agendas and replaced it with the abomination we see today? Why did liberals get so strong?

we got co-opted by upper middle class twits and pointing it out and trying to do something about it became "crude workerism"

Liberals are backed by the state and CIA, we are no. 1 enemies.
People didn't abbandon marxism and class struggle, our movements got coopted and they don't give us a platform to talk. Do you think it's a coincidence that the two most popular "left" channels are a effeminate faggot and a transexual who both despise the accomplishments made by ex socialist states and call the revolution too scary, inviting the viewer to forget about class warfare in favour of social democracy or social isusses such as man who don't date trans?

You must've meant trots

It was never 'quiet'. Everyone in liberal academia despised and denounced marxism as 'evil' and 'authoritarian' from the start. Only when the CIA started advancing pseudo-'marxism', devoid of its dangerous radicalism was it palatable for western liberalism.
Liberals never 'coopted' marxism. They just made a trashy imitation of it to give themselves a modicum of credibility in the face of working class militancy while still vociferously opposing marxism.

100% of the #woke tranny twitter anti-imperialists are ☭TANKIE☭s cunt

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The "new left" was a movement promoted by the CIA to deradicalize the left and turn attention away from class struggle.

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Your image answers that question.

Unironically COINTELPRO. Suppressing Western leftist politics was a major priority for the alphabet agencies during the Cold War. They basically had a blank check to do as they pleased because of paranoia over nuclear war, which we now know was naive because of MAD.
The postmodernists that currently dominate academia were commonly considered fringe philosophy before the old left got pinched by feds. They are a safe and reliable alternative to potentially revolutionary ideas because they are habitual navel gazers that don't care about real world issues.
inb4 you just don't understand pomo. Neither do they.

Part of an ongoing society-wide psyop to confuse people about what the left is by diluting words and ideas until they mean nothing.

The worst part is shit like sociology that systematize liberal ideology into pseudoscientific complexity and jargon.

That image was my opinion. I just wanted to know if Zig Forumsers (or whatever you guys call yourselves) shared it.

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The queers unironically ruined everything in the 1960's and 1970's. They then turned to rich "spokespeople" during the AIDS epidemic.

Gays became nationalists, and propped up their porkers. Everyone else followed suit.

sds-1960s.org/Rossman.htm

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goddamit hoxha not this shit again

The writing in the link is unbearable. Navel gazing needlessly flowery meandering shit. Come out and say what you want to say, shitty author.

half passively accept them since I would prefer them to inherit mankind's corpse than LARPing nazi furries.
half want them all sent on a rocket to the sun because i have a severe inferiority complex over them having enough of daddy's money to provide them with a degree of autonomy over their life-path, while mine was preordained.

tbh feel like this is probably (a) a mostly american story and (b) lingering Zig Forumsyp sensibilities.
in the UK where the left is perpetually shackled to the Labour party (rooted for all her flaws in the labour movement) rather than the Democratic party (a purely liberal vehicle.) there was an interesting pirouette of history around the miner's strike. LGBT groups came out in support of the miners, and in turn when the strike was lost the National Union of Mineworkers helped pass conference motions that moved the labour party in a pro-LGBT rights direction. it's an interesting alliance. (and one that to my knowledge doesn't have much of a US parallel.)

contrast this with the modern USA, where you've got well-to-do liberal moralisers who directly view the working class as something to be policed, with their prejudices as something to be removed by policing rather than by social-integration and finding common interests, and it's quite interesting. now, the link i've made is with the labour party and labour movement - but there are other ways of looking at the social-cross-section in the UK. for one, obviously, it's a much smaller country. It's also less fractured along regional lines to an extent. even with the factor of separate national identities, it would seem easier to build links between Scots and English than between Californians and Alabamans.

they might be left of you comparatively but they're still right wing. they've only adopted quote unquote liberal ideologies for the purposes of status-seeking as they are popular within the western bourgeoisie for obvious reasons


COINTELPRO gets thrown around within your circles quite often, but it was originally intended for use against communist and far-left organizations

sometimes i think the majority of problems with the western left can be boiled down to americans being moderately unintelligent

they're spoiled brats who need hard labor for being born into nobility. zero irony intended.

nice adhominem faggot

Gays in the US were always right-wing. This isn't a meme.

I think they should be sent to work Camps in Alaska (America’s Siberia) to build roads and work mines in that area in order to advance the worlds productive forces.

There small, but growing.
socialistra.org/news/prdc

He's kinda right tho
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liberals goal is to use identity issues to maintain capitalist exploitation
this is what you have in common with them, Zig Forumsack

ours is to overcome capitalism to truly liberate the individual and expression of their identity

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that's not what an ad hominem is you dunce

I am a Zig Forumstard because i posted on Zig Forums (half chan Zig Forums to be more precise). In terms of ideology, i probably am more at home here, in Zig Forums

Not all Zig Forumstards are trumptards, nazis or lolbertarians

dude what the fuck?

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what is this?

Clicked the link right now. They seem like average liberals larping

Socialist Rifle Association

He's right you know.

Most of the revolutionary trots tend to be really anti-idpol. In fact, they're the only group I've seen to be consistently anti-idpol with organizations that have actual platforms combating it rather than just assorted individuals.

Liberals are the future of the revolution. You know how Zig Forums goes on and on about redpilling people? Liberals (especially millennials) are who we should be radicalizing but the left is too dumb to realize it.

Despite my disagreement with Trots, I'll have to agree with this. The Socialist Equality Party is probably one of the most stringently anti-idpol leftists currently operating in the US. We had a discussion on them before 8ch.net/leftypol/res/2399121.html .

There's a difference between a necessary evil, and an unnecessary liability. Guess which most liberals are.

Most of them are fucking retarded, see all the "students for change" anti-gun shit. They are literally demanding fascists put them into chains. In ten years most of them will be underwater on their student loans, completely unable to participate in the capitalist system as anything other than a wageslave where they will wonder why they are unable to fight back.