I need to read more about yugosplavia and their system and why is it so praised and discredite

i need to read more about yugosplavia and their system and why is it so praised and discredite

where should i begun?

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Marxist-Leninist hate workers and want party elite to own MOP instead of workers so they discredit Yugoslavia with memes like "muh imf loans".

Paul Mattick has an essay called "Worker's self-management" that is partially a critique of the yugo system


Socialists must oppose market economy, this is not optional. Plenty more than M-L;s rightly view Yugoslavia as capitalism with red flags.

Market socialism, self-management and the case for workers' co-ops - Darrow Schecter

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How many times has centrally planned economy have to fail until you people understand that markets are essential to building a succesful socialist economy?

The end goals of communism doesnt have money or markets or even a state but this is utopian with current technology.

Market Socialism in Yugoslavia

The ideal of Socialism as self-government in the economy as well as in the polity long precedes the Yugoslav break with central planning. It will be recalled from the introduction that in the Paris Commune Marx had seen the possibility of smashing the State by democratising it, that is, by dismantling the central State apparatus and dispersing political power to a federation of de-centralised Communes. These organs of local democracy would then manage the affairs of 'even the smallest country hamlet'. For Marx this seemed to be the precondition for any genuine self-government of the producers. But we also saw how this highly participatory and de-centralised vision was impossible to reconcile with a centrally planned economy which would necessarily come under the control of a socialist officialdom. In fact, this is what happened in the former USSR and State socialist countries of Eastern Europe. Rather than withering away, the State continually expanded its role as it sought to control all of society's economic functions. Thus the Bolsheviks, presiding over the State and the economy, deprived the Soviets and other bodies of local power of any real authority. By 1927 the Five Year Plans could be implemented without 'interference' from shopfloor workers in the various regions of the country. It was soon apparent that such centralisation of economic power, along with the political monopoly of power held by the Communist Party, was not in any way compatible with the self-government of the producers. Groups like the Workers' Opposition demanded greater producer autonomy through the empowerment of trade unions and workers' Councils. These attempts proved futile. As Leninism was succeeded by Stalinism, any attempt to question the centralised model of political economy was rejected as counter-revolutionary. [2]

Though the Workers' Opposition had raised important objections to Bolshevik tyranny which also figured prominently in the writings of syndicalists, anarchists, Council communists and Guild socialists, it was not until 1948 in Yugoslavia that an alternative conception of Socialism was given a chance to function on a large scale. It was here that the market, traditionally associated with capitalism, was seen as an alternative to the State as a means of allocating resources. This constituted a step further than Guild socialist proposals for a negotiated price between the parties affected in an economic transaction. Yugoslav theoreticians claimed that the introduction of the market would not only lead to increased production, but would have the equally important effect of democratising the country by diffusing political power. Stalinism was castigated as a tyrannical and bureaucratic deviation from Marx, while the Yugoslavs defended their reforms as a return to Marxist humanism. Right until the disintegration of the country in 1991, the Yugoslav leadership claimed to be returning to the spirit of the young Marx and the Marx of the Paris Commune writings, that is, rejuvenating the doctrine rather than departing from it. [3]

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At the outset it should be noted that the advent of Market Socialism in Yugoslavia was to a large extent a historical accident. When World War II drew to a close the Yugoslav Communist Party (subsequently re-named the Yugoslav League of Communists) took control of the country, suppressed all opposition parties, established a monopoly on the media and generally eliminated freedom of expression. In this way they were simply following the Bolshevik model of the dictatorship of the proletariat. In fact, Yugoslavia was initially one of the Soviet Union's most loyal satellite countries. Led by Josip Broz Tito, Yugoslavia supported Stalin on all major issues of foreign policy, economic collectivisation and the subordination of Civil Society to the State. But by 1948 Yugoslavia was denounced by the USSR and expelled from the international organisation of communist economies, the Cominform, as a country that had betrayed the principles of Socialism. How did this come about, and what were the results? [4]

The first Constitution of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia of 31 January 1946 called for State ownership of all major sectors of industrial production, with the corresponding demand that all major decisions on the setting up and closing of enterprises be taken by the government. Production targets and distribution were under tight control by the League. At this stage it was thought that the concentration of all resources and the confiscation of private wealth was necessary in order to put the war-ravaged country back on its feet and gain some measure of political stability for the future. Thus planned distribution and rigidly controlled prices were deemed indispensable. [5]

However, in keeping with the country's agricultural traditions, the Yugoslavs sought to resume small-scale agricultural production, for which they drew heavy censure from Stalin and the Cominform. It was made clear that such measures would only encourage 'petit bourgeois' and 'typically peasant' attitudes towards land and work which would retard Stalinist models of industrialisation and collectivisation. The Yugoslavs initially sought to fall in line with Cominform policy, but it soon became apparent that such policy was ill-suited to the needs and realities of the country. Tensions between Stalin and Tito going back to the fight against Fascism were exacerbated. But the Yugoslav leader remained steadfast in his belief that his country had to chart an independent course based on its own abilities and needs. The inevitable result was the ostracising of Yugoslavia and the imposition of economic sanctions which, before long, amounted to a total blockade forcing the country to look to other parts of the globe for trading partners. Throughout the period 1946-48 Tito adamantly opposed Soviet-style collectivisation and Stalin's notion of a single road to Socialism. Polemics were exchanged until 1950, when Tito announced that Yugoslavia would henceforth embark on a new path of development based on the slogan, 'the factories to the workers'. This was the start of a highly original and influential experiment in socialist self-management. [6]

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In November 1949, Djuro Slaj, the President of the Yugoslav trade union Confederation, and Boris Kidric, a government official responsible for economic policy, sent out a notice to 215 large enterprises, detailing plans for the establishment of Workers' Councils in those firms. These Councils were given the task of drafting enterprise-level production targets, including proposals for raising productivity and efficiency. Councils were to be elected by all employees working in an enterprise by means of a secret ballot. The Council had in turn to elect a director, with the stipulation that workers could vote to remove Council members before the expiry of their mandate if two-thirds decided he or she was not doing an adequate job. [7]

The self-governing enterprise became the basic unit of all economic activity. Other corporate bodies such as local Communes, banks, or self-employed craftsmen were granted similar status. The 1965 law on enterprise formation and activity clearly stated that:


The Basic Law governing enterprise functions contained 299 articles, along with legislation regulating employment relations, the election of Workers' Councils and management structures, and the distribution of enterprise assets. What was formerly the exclusive domain of the State was henceforth, in principle, a matter for shopfloor workers and the managements they elected and dismissed. These groups of workers would trade their products with other similarly organised firms via the market. The aim was to achieve both democracy in the workplace and economic efficiency. [8]

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In theory, all workers in an enterprise, whether they be manual workers, technicians or managers, were meant to enjoy the same rights. Each self-managed enterprise was instructed by the law to determine its own basic rules and regulations, provided that this underlying equality of all members was not infringed. In all enterprises with more than 70 workers an elected Workers' Council, comprised of somewhere between 15 to 100 people depending on the size of the firm, would hold 1-year terms. During the course of these terms the Council would legislate on all policy issues, such as how much of revenue to apportion between investment and consumption. Disciplinary matters were also dealt with. Yugoslav law specified that Council members could not run for a second consecutive term, but could run again subsequently. The Council elected a Management Board each year, entrusting it with authority on issues ranging from investment to housing and social services for workers. The Management Board, in consultation with the Workers' Council, would in turn elect an Executive Director for a 4-year renewable term. [9]

Where such upper management had previously been appointed by the relevant planning ministry, self-management called for new procedures. Thus Executive Directors were chosen as follows: in accordance with individual enterprise regulations, the post was publicly announced and advertised by the Council, which then appointed a committee to evaluate applications. Committees were made up of Council members and local Commune members in equal proportion, who would narrow the field of candidates down to six people. The list was sent to the Workers' Council for approval, which then selected its top choice or asked the committee to reconvene to select a new group of prospective Executive Directors. Once elected, the Executive Director was in charge of all current business, including the implementation of decisions made by the Workers' Council and its sub committees. Following traditions of radical democracy established in the Paris Commune, the Executive Director could be recalled on demand if a majority on the Council found his or her management incompetent. [10]

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Jan Vanek, a scholar of Yugoslav self-managed enterprises, reports that in large firms it was not uncommon for there to be self-management bodies at individual levels of production and administration. In such enterprises, mid-level directors were appointed by Workers' Councils without outside intervention. In a very large enterprise one might have had several dozen self- management bodies of various descriptions working in conjunction with sub-committees in charge of different aspects of production and distribution. Autonomy and co-operation were important goals in all such firms. Vanek thus concludes that in Yugoslavia the usual model of the single enterprise was replaced by the far more flexible ideal of an 'autonomous organisation of associated labour'. Writing in an optimistic vein that may strike us today as somewhat naive, in 1975 Vanek assessed the Yugoslav situation thus:


Vanek goes on to stress that contrary to many people's association of democracy with inefficiency and slowness in the decision-making process, the Yugoslav market socialist economy embodied the advantages of not having to seek the approval of directing planning boards located in distant capitals. Moreover, since all the workers in a firm bore the consequences of economic success or failure, there was little incentive to prolong disputes between management and shopfloor workers. Such conflicts are a chronic problem in both privately owned and nationalised industries. At the same time, enterprise capital was collectively controlled, which ensured that decisions would reflect the interests of at least the majority of employees working in a firm. This system of collectively owned capital, or social property, as it was called, had an enormous impact on subsequent self-management ventures outside of Yugoslavia. From its inception, a worker-controlled enterprise disposed of a certain amount of capital in the form of assets and means of production, which were either acquired independently or conferred by the State. This capital was intended to help the enterprise begin its commercial activities; it was available for use but was not owned by the enterprise. This meant that assets could not be liquidated to buy private retirement homes or other benefits that did not contribute to society's productive needs. It was considered vitally important that there be constitutional measures against property speculation and other instances of private usurpation of socially controlled wealth. Thus in the 1959 Constitution of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia we read that:

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read cockshott

Enterprises getting under way in one of the six regions that made up Yugoslavia often received their initial capital from a voluntary association of individuals pooling their resources, or from the Fund for Regional Development. From this moment on, however, authority was legally vested in the Workers' Council and the Executive Director. Each enterprise was legally registered according to its chief economic activity, though it was permitted to engage in related subsidiary activities in other markets. For instance, an industrial enterprise might list transport and marketing activities as secondary operations generating new commercial possibilities. Since all enterprises had an interest in diversifying their operations for competitive market strength, it was frequently the case that they would not limit themselves to manufacturing or transport, even if they began as manufacturing or transport firms. [13]

To a large extent, self-managed enterprises in Yugoslavia faced similar problems to those confronting private firms in a capitalist economy, that is, raising initial capital and reaching sufficiently high levels of profitability necessary to pay off debts and to hire new workers. Yugoslav firms had the advantage of public investment agencies like the Fund for Regional Development. Alternatively, prospective founders could publicly approach banks for their initial capital. Any public social organisation or group of citizens could found an enterprise, provided that they could secure the necessary capital. The Yugoslav banking system ran into a number of difficulties, however, often operating at a loss. This obviously curtailed investment. In this respect Yugoslav banks were far less successful than the Basque Casa Laboral Popular (CLP), which we shall examine in the next section. [14]

Since capital was socially controlled by the workers of an enterprise and could not be arbitrarily sold or transferred without the approval of the Workers' Council, there were few rules concerning the voluntary shutting down of operations. This is not surprising, since the workers of a firm had little to gain from such a move unless assured of jobs in another self-managed enterprise. If it became clear that an enterprise would not be able to meet its financial obligations, that is, repaying loans, finding sufficient investment, or paying its workers adequately, there were some provisions for closure, all of which were designed to find new sources of employment for the displaced workers. The creditor of an enterprise could call for the appointment of a Public Receiver to remunerate the workforce and take over the functions of the Workers' Council and the Executive Director. Such manoeuvres could be and at times were contested by workers of the affected enterprise if they felt they were being exploited. In terms of workers' rights, this certainly represented an impressive advance over the condition of most workers elsewhere. A compromise between the contending forces might be found if the local Commune was ready to assume responsibility for the enterprise until it managed to reverse its losses. Enterprises were legally required to inform the Commune of any likely financial problems of this kind. [15]

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[1] Miller, Market, State and Community, p. vi. See also Holmström, Industrial Democracy in Italy. Holmström says: 'The Market is not incompatible with socialism but essential to it' (p. 157).

[2] Nove, The Economics of Feasible Socialism, pp. 10-15, pp. 77-8.

[3] For the sources of Yugoslav theory and the stated aims of self-management see Kardelj, Democracy and Socialism, pp. 7-10; Zukin, Beyond Marx and Tito, pp. SD-4; Drulovic, Self-Management on Trial, pp. 199-202; Smidovnik, 'Disfunctions', pp. 27-9.

[4] Lydall, Yugoslavia in Crisis, pp. 1-2.

[5] Drulovic, Self-Management on Trial, pp. 37-9.

[6] Drulovic, Self-Management on Trial, pp. 40-2; Lydall, Yugoslavia in Crisis, p. 2.

[7] Drulovic, Self-Management on Trial, pp. 43-4.

[8] Vanek, 'The Worker Managed Enterprise', p. 257.

[9] Vanek, 'The Worker Managed Enterprise', p. 258; Zukin, Beyond Tito and Marx, pp. 258-9.

[10] Vanek, 'The Worker Managed Enterprise', pp. 258-9.

[11] Vanek, 'The Worker Managed Enterprise', pp. 260.

[12] Quoted from 'The Constitution of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia' (1959), now in Vanek, Self-Management, p. 71.

[13] Vanek, 'The Worker Managed Enterprise', pp. 266-77.

[14] Lydall, Yugoslavia in Crisis, pp. 14-15.

[15] Vanek, 'The Worker Managed Enterprise', pp. 269-70.

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I think its good that you marxist-leninist develop economic theory for future communism but just one book is not enough to convince people to support central planning after the total collapse of Soviet Union and millions of deaths caused by economic mismanagement.

On the other hand we have worker owned cooperatives that are succesful even in capitalist economy and thats enough proof that market socialism actually works and it gives workers real control of the MOP.

The problems in Yugoslavia were not economic but ethnic and the nation was destroyed by separatist nationalism.

no, they were a huge reason. the slovenian and croatian independence movements wouldn't have been as effective without the massive economic crises in the 80s. all these problems are intertwined with each other.

you mean cia?

yeah im sure the cia caused the 20% unemployment rate by the end of the 80s

That is simply not true. Small scale private agricultural production was allowed on peasants' household plots in the USSR (only usage of hired labor wasn't allowed), in fact Artels were also allowed and managed by workers themselves (2.6mil people were working in them and they produced about 1/5 of all consumer goods). In fact, the bigger justification of the money still existing in soviet society was because of their existence.
Difference in internal policy was only a minor concern in the nature of Tito-Stalin split, most of it was due to the rightist nature of titoist foreign policy.

They also forced Yugoslavia to import 90% of its foodstuffs by the late 1970s. For a country that had 90% of its population in agriculture. Damn, CIA, you scary!

Can someone give me a tl;dr on why market socialism is perceived so negatively? Or why you think workers don't control the means of production in a market socialist system?

Lenin literally wanted a worker co op society though.

some idiots think that by definition socialism would be a centrally planned economy which is not the case at all, socialism = collective control of the means of production


workers DID control the means of production in yugoslavia and WILL do so in any economic system rightfully calling itself market socialist

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because daddy stalin doesn't like it

The market, which allows capitalists, will inevitably become dominated by them, unless there are other immense factors (like geopolitical independence, military power, strong government in favour for socialism etc.)

It neither solves the waste and general inefficiency of a market system nor any other societal ills caused by capitalism and market economics, such as the corrupting influence of money in politics and the deleterious effects production for profit instead of production for use has.
Don't get me wrong, it absolutely is better than a wholly capitalist mode of production and is preferable, but it's not enough.
Also like my fellow tank said, it's easy as pie for porky to reestablish himself there.

Pic related is what Yugoposter doesn't want to mention about the shitfest that was the Yugo economy. Couple these unemployment rates with some 700,000 ppl that worked as Gastarbeiters in West Germany from 1968 to 1991, and you have a very nice image indeed.

Such lovely market 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧socialism🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 with an unemployment rate of 16%. Read Hoxha you dipshit.

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Hoxha wrote an essay about Yugoslavia.
marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/1978/yugoslavia/index.htm
Cockshott criticized market socialism in Arguments for Socialism and TANS
eprints.gla.ac.uk/58987/1/58987.pdf

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Hoxha is a second grade revisionist, together with Mao and Breshnev

While that may be true (I'm a bit torn on Hoxha personally), he btfo'd Tito's blatant capitalist practices like a boss. Just check

Read Parenti, idiot.

youtube.com/watch?v=ApaMIJiOt-c

Blow your brains out, fucktard. Don't even have to read you autistic diatribe to know it is absolutely divorced from reality.
Greatest people of all time can literally be ranked as so
Marx
Stalin
Lenin

This may be his one redeeming quality, Hoxha did a lot of things wrong though. He purged his government multiple times, made use of stalinist repression to abolish private property, persecuted religious beliefs even on a personal level (AFAIK the only socialist leader to do so) and pursued a harmful isolationist policy due to his autistic sectarianism. He's not Ceausescu/Pol Pot level bad, and did accomplish the general stuff the USSR and other countries accomplished (such as industrialization) but I would say he was far from being a good leader. Albania may have been more authentically socialist than Yugoslavia, but as far as leaders go I'd undoubtedly rank Tito over Hoxha.

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SAD

Yeah, I'm probably giving him too little credit for those things, I just feel like it doesn't really outweigh all the bad shit that could have been easily avoided.

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