Spends his childhood destroying the British Empire

From what i read he and his people have spent the last few years purging blairites and non loyal people from the party and have completely reshaped it in their favor.
So if he becomes PM and then leaves the party might still lean towards corbynism but i expect British capital to launch various nefarious schemes to recapture it.

The problem with the tories from what i have seen is they are dominated by the British version of cuckservtive neocons.
I imagine an actual British right winger despise the tory party

also just like with bernie it probaly would have helped if they were 15 to 20 years younger.

I'm hoping you're right. They've waited this long to finally get this chance so I really don't want them to lapse back into Blairism.

I just wish the Labour Party here had such hopes, it's mostly full of neoliberals or neolib-lites and it's quite sad.

Its because he is a secret gay and the Murdoch press has evidence of it

Basically Corbyn and McDonnell are cyrptos, but their ideas are actually kinda popular amongst even socdems so when Corbyn was able to prove himself 'electable' in 2017, he is riding fucking high.

This, the defeat in the EU referendum fucked up a lot of them, which they then blamed on corbyn being a bad campaigner and tried to coup. Just like the US Clintonites, they cannot admit they are in the wrong.

Well less he purged them, more that they jumped ship: and he has built structures to make sure they can never get onbord again.

The advantage Corb has over Bernie is that there is an entire gang of him, Bernie is on his own and starting from the bottom. That's the thing with Corb, you cannae shoot him: McDonnell would just take over.

A lapse to blairism is impossible, the worst is a soft left type and even then most of them are actually okay in one way or another. Meanwhile Momentum grows and the unions are reasserting themselves.

Well the rumour I heard (from a good source) was about his family, and that one of them might have entered the UK illegally decades ago. Now the story why Boris didn't run for PM is way better, but highly fucking illegal in text form…

Unaware of Brit politics here. Is Corby /theguy/?

Yes.

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ye I second this, heard on the Westminster grapevine that he's gay but has a wife and kids and cba with the press vitriol over it

It's all going to come crashing down on them though. No matter what, neoliberals will loose and loose the hardest because either moderates will vote conservative for less taxes and "stability" or the left embraces the resurgent populism and wins. Everyone is sick of left centricism, it does not appeal to anybody especially not urban workers who cannot afford housing because of the centre-left's refusal to fight for zoning deregulation and transit. As Thatcher's champions all go bankrupt or become asian-style zombie companies, the neoliberal arguments for those failed private firms will have become totally irrelevant.

They can't change the market forces they worship, and the market says capitalism will now choke because there isn't enough growth available anymore. End result will either be Tories reluctantly renationalizating parts of the economy just to ensure stability or Labour doing it to finally destroy capitalism. There is no middle ground.

Why does that sound familiar?..

I'm not confident, in 3 years they've done very little, Blairites are still sabotaging the party, strategically they're poor, comms poor, they got bailed out by momentum and facebook's old algorithm, corbyn's a nice guy but not a strategist or particularly intelligent, milne is massively overrated. Not sure why still they haven't tapped into the intellectual assets of the left - someone like wolff or kelton crafting the messaging on economics for example.

The Blairites are a spent force, especially now their man man Woodcock has turned out to be a perv.
Comms is actually quite good, if a little disorganised and ad hoc.
Corbyn is nothing special that is true, but it is McDonnell who is in charge.
Milne misses the mark most of the time, but when he does hit it it is wonderful (the manifesto leak was his idea I bet).
As for intellectual assests, you're right about that one, there is way more they could be doing on the intellectual front.

so they've had 3 years to get their shit together and they haven't.
i fucking hate blairites but the original blairites ran a tight ship at least.
500k people and they can't find a decent organiser?

more like two years, also they're clearly waiting for the tories to figure out their position on Brexit first. Problem is the tories are incapable of figuring out their head from their ass

Tbh more like just under one year, the chicken cooup did a lot of damage. Also Ian McNiol only left like 2 months ago.

Tories are doing fine - what do you think this is - a competence competition? They've trashed the UK economy and people still think they're better on the economy than Labour.

and in the last 2 months do you see any positive changes, any sense of urgency?
no, it's the same as the past 30 months, i.e fuck all from the party itself.

Corbyn's legacy will be secured if real socialists continue to enter the party ranks through local elections, etc

Lads we need to pump out some more Keirs fucking pronto like.

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These jokes just write themselves

Link?

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I only know it from spoken sources, no one would DARE write it down since it breaks a lot of laws and basically shatters bourgeois feminism itself…
Sufficed to say, if it had gotten out literally everyone would have fucking hated him, from the rignt wing press to the liberals.

Fucking yes.

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You can't just tease us like this.

He fucked a pig? Like a real one

This board is hosted in the US.
Post the cunt!

Okay, let me tell you an unrelated story of a prominant London QC and a night out she had. So she is a married woman, but her and her husband are well known for extra marital affairs (although no one seems to give a shit for some reason). So one night she goes to one of those upper class parties (think American psycho) and pulls a bloke. They get pretty frisky and end up performing obscene acts in a major London overground station. They get caught by the bobbies.
Obviously they both get suspended sentances for being lewd in public. However, this QC, being a cannie lass, then turns around and accuses the man she was fucking of rape. Now this gets her sentance for obscenity lifted, even though the rape case falls through. So the man has a criminal record and she gets off scot-free.
Who this QC was married to could be anyone's guess.

he destroyed it? i wonder who those guys are that are sending military around the globe under the british flag, fucking imposters
and to think that people just got tired of it
no, it was this guy destroying it
replacing it with… something! but it's better, promise

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you can be proud of your little organisation, but that's unrelated to the thread

Judging by the last election voters just want May to deliver a hard Brexit a thing she doesn't want to do. Either the party as a whole forces her to do it or it sinks as an alternative voice promises it. This is lab's door.

So does this mean UKIP will emerge again? Fuck no

I'm American and don't know the ins and outs of this, are people still big on Brexit over there? Is it still a hot button issue, I thought it got a bunch of backlash after the vote because it's brought on economic problems.

No because the kippers will now stand their ground inside the Tories rather than breaking off. Even if they're forced onto back bench they'll kick, they'll scream and they'll happily work with the communists in exchange for leaving the EU. Since most of Corbyn's nationalisation plans require the EU's influence to be neutered there is a common ground here.

GOD I wish we had a corbyn in the netherlands

he just got btfo

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Labour made gains and have more councillors than any other party, stop talking shit

SUPRESS THE VOTE OF OLD PEOPLE

POLLS SHOULD OPEN AT 1 AM

STAIRS AND ONLY STAIRS TO ALL LOCATIONS

DIM LIGHTING

LOUD OBNOXIOUS TRAP MUSIC

NO WHERE TO SIT

I think more old people would vote for Corbyn then the Remain Brats in London. That was the most obnoxious display of petit-bourgeois selfishness I’ve ever seen and I’m a burger

But don't younunderstand user? WE MUST PUNISH KABOUR CLLRS BECAUSE CORBYN DOESN'T WANT TO OVERTURN A DEMOCRATIC REFERENDUM.

I'm always surprised the rest of the world doesn't do mail ballots. All American states offer it.

Oh we do, but outside of rural areas no one uses them and they have a history of fraud (like in Lewisham).

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Here's my summary:
a) Marx explains that the circulation of commodities is a transfer of value or "change of form." This circulation is always paired with money in buyer-seller transactions. These commodities are constantly being consumed and removed from circulation while the money continues moving. (p77)
b) He then goes into a long (and kind of dense) explanation how value is actually changing shape as it moves through the economy, changing from "commodity form" to "money form" to use-value ready for consumption, etc. He then concludes that the movement of money is actually expressing the movement of commodities as they change form.(p78)
c) Marx continues by stating that for commodities to circulate, it follows that the sum of prices for all commodities must always equal the sum of money being simultaneously circulated, since in each transaction money and commodities must change hands. (p79)
d) Marx then takes a slight digression to remind us that we don't want any more baboons fuck baboons all baboons in zoos the value of money is ultimately (in his time, at least) determined by the money-commodity which it represents. Gold, silver, etc. He then discusses how changes in the value of this commodity will also affect prices of other commodities due the relationship he just mentioned. (p79)
e) He then repeats that the sum of all prices being realized equals the sum of money being circulated, and how an increase of commodity prices means an increase in the sum of price which necessitates an increase in the sum of money being circulated to realize transactions.(p80)

I'm glad I read all of it.

I LOVE SOCIAL DEMOCRACY.

As someone who lived through the time when Blair was working his way into power and was seen as someone who could do no wrong, Corbyn will disappoint you. He's going to be co-opted into the establishment very quickly.

BRING BACK CLAUSE IV

I did a mail in the other year when I was away. It's just optional which makes sense. It's actually much easier to go to the polling station for me than it was to do that.

Blair and Corbyn are nothing alike though

"The young! The young will carry it before them!"

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If Corbyn fails then lab is done and the UK becomes a defacto one party state as DUP becomes the second largest party.

Perhaps you've never heard of the labour party

who doesn't

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So far he's wasted most of his time trying to appeal to middle class voters and students. He's massively overrated by excitable Zig Forums lads.

this

I support him on the whole but he is way too nice to blairites who just need to be kicked out

If Corbyn fails what he will do is radicalise a generation towards revolutionary socialism, it is win win.

And before you say "where does this work?" Greece has seen a risemin anarchist communes and the KKE, since the failure of SYRIZA.

DUP is already militant and accepting of socialism so long as fenians burn. This is the same organization that considers murdering catholic schoolchildren to be acceptable if it's done for ingerland.

Raigcal probesdant nashonal gosialisms.

Roight, 'tis whadt weh figdht fhour ladie.

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LAURA ALL THE WAY, EVERY DAY

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Tbh her credentials as a jorthern could go a long way.

*northerner

Thornberry is awful, idk why people like her. Bourgie cunt

nationalisation isn't post capitalism. capitalism is about more than the mere existence of the capitalist, it is about the method of production for profit over use and about labourers selling their labour power in order to survive as well as the inherent contradictions within such a system that will tear it appart.

even in the hay days of British nationalisation such nationalised industries were still employers who bought the labour power of workers to produce comodities to sell. this is still a capitalist relation of classes. this is just bog standard post war keynsianism you're arguing for; the age of keynsianism, which is long gone, was only sustained on the fact massive ammounts of static and tradeable capital was destroyed in ww2 giving unions a leverage in bargening for better standards combined with a fear of radical workers movements.

such a capitalist system with markets and the need for infinite growth *will* inevitably collapse, as Marx says. capitalism is inherently unstable and will collapse so what you suggest is as unsustainable as any other capitalism even if we discount the fact keynsianism was the execption to the rule within the history of capitalism

I'm still all for what hangs on of social democracy to provide people with more comfortable lives but as you say people must do in regards to Blairism in casting it off you must do Keynes. post capitalist production is the only way forwards, not nationalisation that continues capitalist relations of production only removing the capitalist.

pic is of me realising nobody here understands the basics of what Marx even says is wrong with capitalism or people here even knowing what Marx describes capitalism as.

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yeah, but looking at how the other days local elections went I don't see that happening either

Not the user you replied to, and I think you speak the truth but you can argue that the renaissance of Keynesianism/"socdemism" which has been going on since the 2008 global crisis can help furthering our communist goals.
If you take people like Varoufakis or the alter-globalization movement, you can see that they are both Keynesian and Marxist to various degrees. Varoufakis actually wrote a good piece for the Guardian about the Communist Manifesto recently and has a better reading of Marx and Engels than 98℅ of this board. (theguardian.com/news/2018/apr/20/yanis-varoufakis-marx-crisis-communist-manifesto).
They manage to repopularize left-wing ideas in the Western empire and that's no small feat. Nationalization is not the end of it all and won't make M-C-M' disappear overnight, but the people on the left who are promoting it are often putting forward the idea of "common goods" as a justification, which are crucial to communism.
I want to believe in Srnicek & Williams basically

Who do you guys think will be the Labour candidate for the upcoming Lewisham East parliamentary by-election?

Britain has always being trying to pull left. The absolute majority of people vote for left wing parties, its just the vote is split. The major issue is America and our entrenched elite and their propaganda mills like The Sun, The Daily Mail and the Telegraph that spread anti-working class messages average person reads. The working class hate based benefit frauds but suck the cocks of the elites who steal trillions off us.

Make no doubt about it, he probably won't get anywhere. The establishment hate him and I wouldn't be surprised if they slipped him a polonium tea if he got in the way of their profits too much. They're already doing it: only 13% of articles written by him last year were factual.

No point in trying to appeal to the working class since there's no way the capitalists would allow non-university educated folk to learn about marxism or encourage to read anything other than the Daily Mail. Fuck, mention marx in most working class places and they'll knock you out for being a "Russian spy" or something.

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Good Newt atesman article on this.
newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/05/who-will-be-labour-candidate-lewisham-east-election?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Great Britain is just ugly as shit and composed by smelly cunts. London is one of the worst place on earth. Ireland on the other hand is a nice, clean place full of friendly people.