So whats the deal with Communist Parties in Brittain?
Recently I've seen the CPGB-ML pop up but what really are the differences between the parties?
Aren't both Marxist-Leninst and Revolutuionairy?
The CPGB-ML also comes off as very LARPy sometimes and not exactly "modern".
I hope some Britanon can explain things to me!
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I'm a Brit in Cumbria, so I'm interested but very much doubt we have any local branches
CPGB are a shadow of what they were. In the 40s, they had 60,000 members. Nowadays, less than 800. In the last election, they didn't field any candidates and put support behind Corbyn.
CPB is the offical inheretor of the Communist Party of Great Britain, they are ML and forward thinkimg.
CPGB ML is a LARP organisation that goes around saying Stalin is great because he abolished tuition fees.
Also that.
the CPB sucks up to Labour, the CPGB-ML is very anti-social democratic
Glad to hear that they are ML!
That's of course good but isn't supporting left forces in your country always a good thing? You need to hold on to the Marxist-Leninist Party line, of course!
You post this shill line in every thread. Fuck off liberal.
Fucking read Lenin.
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Just fucking watch it, it makes me gag with the pure liberalism on display. The CPGB ML are pure LARP and anyone that supports them is enabling red kekistani'ism.
You should read The British Road to Socialism:
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I mean working with those left forces to an extend is okay. We, as communists, wont get to do anything if we isolate us. But we always need to remeber that social Democrats are traitors and not our friends.
It is if you don't know anything about the dude but "lol g2g gulag cuz I don't like you".
The CPB are a surviving branch of the original CPGB who abandoned ship on it when the CPGB went eurocom and then dissolved itself when the Soviet Union was destroyed. They've never been particularly revolutionary and their program can appear as little more than fairly based social democracy, which says a lot about the state of the CPGB in its last years given that the CPB was its 'pro-soviet wing'. They're not really impressive but still they're harmless and broadly support decent policies (anti-eu, nationalisations, democratic control, etc.) so its not surprising its decided to throw what limited resources it has behind Corbyn's Labour in the hope they'll do some of those things if in power.
On the other hand the CPGB-ML actually has no connection to the original CPGB except having some members from the old one. The CPGB-ML are splitters from the SLP who were Labour members who rejected Blairism and its official abandonment of any commitment to socialism (clause IV). The members of the future CPGB-ML attempted entryism into the newly formed SLP to make it into an anti-revisionist ml party and then were expelled/resigned over the SLP rejecting support for the DPRK in 2004. They're anti-revisionist and claim to be the rightful heirs to the CPGB because the CPB are khrushchevites. They amount to an idpozzed stalin fan-club for students led by Harpal Brar who always make sure to show up with their Stalin portrait banner because socialism is when you defend stalin and the more you defend stalin the socialister your party is. tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Brar were in the pay of the state to keep the 'evil cultish stalinists lurking around the corner every mayday' image permanently in the back of the minds of the british public.
Being a faggot LARPer without any any useful theory or praxis is the height of liberalism: any ML would call a group that was all about wanking off Gramsci in the same way CPGBML wanks off Stalin liberal. The figure doesn't matter, they are just a club for edgy teens.
It's like the communist equivalent of neo nazis holding up banners of Hitler and sieg heiling
Their fascination for the labour party is pretty weird, I dont know if that is good
Well CPB members are embedded in the Labour inner circle now so…
isn't that literally counter-revolutionary
don't see what's so bad about the CPGB-ML, people from Cuba, Venezuela, DPRK etc seem to respect them
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Never thought about them being a honeypot CONINTELPRO org, makes a lot of sense actually…
They are in the same internaational grouping, they are obliged to. Doesn't mean they're not shit.
Also if you want a Leninist org that is good and not related to Labpur: try Communist League, they are more ortholeninist than ML but are pretty interesting. They actually do proletaeian organising too which is neat.
Yeah I like them and their Programm, their Positions but when it comes to advocating Communism to the youth I don't know if it helps waving banners of Stalin around.
Stalin was a great Marxist-Leninist that formed the USSR to a socialist power house but idk if you can get People interested in Socialist if they see Stalin right away. Many people have too much Bourgeois Propaganda in their heads. But they're fine otherwise.
CPB BRS Programm seems like a heavy revision of MLism and like leaning torwards reformism.
I think i tend torwards the CPGB-ML
What a child, you'll come around one day, liberal.
And what does "modern" mean to you? Whores and memes as the means to propagandize right?
Most of their members are above 40 you fucking trot-scum anarchild cunt.
Kek, calm down lad.
I tend more towards CPGB-ML, though that doesn't say too much. The effort they spend on Stalin could be spent much better on addressing issues people are actually worried about today - not saying they don't do that in the first place, just that the Stalin… worship? seems at best useless and at worst downright harmful.
Yeah this tbh
No, MLs should be doing as much as possible to free potential comrades from imperialist/honeypot organizations.
Defending Stalin is good, you're just rationalizing your rejection of CPGBML because you hate Stalin and don't want to admit it to a bunch of Marxists here.
That is the goal but you need to build contacts to those potential comrades
Defending Stalin against western propaganda is fine.
Mindlessly worshiping him like an edgy autist is out right harmful to the cause.
How so? I read a recent piece by them that approached the differences between workers of various nationalities in a universalist manner without cryptolib screaming of "whyte pepo be evil!".
You're creating a strawman. They don't "mindlessly worship" Stalin, that's what you're saying because you don't want people to discuss him at all.
Faggot, I'm a ML. I think Stalin was pretty good, all things considered.
All I'm saying is that the level they place Stalin on is borderline worship, and its generally super LARPy. Have Stalin on a flag occasionally, that's fine. But when you have Stain on your flag at every single demonstration it comes off as autistic and edgy.
Do you know the saying "bad press is better than no press"?
Yes but the reason they want bad press is so they can expand their LARPing troupe, not to build the proletarian movement.
Why do you think they don't want to build a proletarian movement? LARPing or not, sometimes aesthetics are attractive for young people and draw them in. Not sure about the Stalin icons, but red flags are looking fucking cool, especially in an orderly march. I mean, the right goes marching with torches, so what?
I tell you what, you put up a communist stand in the pedestrian precinct and nobody will care. You put up a Stalin picture, people will approach you and debate you, and maybe you'll get your foot in the door. The right uses the same tactic, they say outrageous things to get into the headlines (it only fired back for Milo) and they've been successful with it because the media doesn't know the Streisand effect. That's why the CPGB-ML is always in the public eye, despite not being as big as other British communist parties
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I wouldn't say they're always in the public eye, they only get this attention around May Day or election time. And at this point I'm pretty sure only the CPB is bigger.
It does come off as very LARPy, they need to offer themselves as a serious group rather than a Stalinist fan club. And I'm rather fond of Stalin myself
This motherfucker calls Phil Greaves a liberal