Lets say China and Russia get defeated by the USA and capitalist governments get installed in both. If such a thing were to happen, would that mean the defeat of Leftism forever and communism could never happen?
Lets say China and Russia get defeated by the USA and capitalist governments get installed in both...
Ethan Smith
Jaxson Walker
One, hawt. Two, no, since that is exactly what happened in 1991: multipolarity is inevitable in a post ideological word, we just hit it quite quickly.
Mason Green
Nathan Miller
No, communism is the specter haunting capitalism. As long as capitalism exists, so will the contradictions within it.
Nicholas Lee
If? That is exactly what happened after the collapse of the USSR. The PRC has been full-on cappy for decades.
Elijah Sanchez
Russia already is capitalist.Russia has been defeated by the USA in 1991, since then we have a pro western neoliberal regime. Furthermore Russia, unfortunately, is fully dependent on the west for technological and vehicle imports. The government simply does not invest into IT and consumer industries, and they feel no need for it. Children of all the oligarchs and government officials live in the west and they store all their stolen money in western banks. Those who are 'forced' to stay in Russia for their jobs fetishize west and western 'goods' and again, rather than investing into local industry purchase western cars, telephones and even shoes.
I don't know enougth about China to comment about it.
Elijah Cooper
Literally right-wing thinking.
Cooper Torres
You don't actually think Russia is socialist, right??
Noah Phillips
That already happened
Nicholas Reed
I'm reporting you.
Adrian Hernandez
of course not. when spartacus, the gracchis, thomas müntzer, the paris commune etc. were defeated it wasn't the end of leftism.
it's a never ending fight, we might defeat them once in the future and then their forces defeat our side again and then we defeat them again and so on and so forth.
Henry Butler
Russia yes, China no.
Matthew Rogers
This saddens me tbh.
Lucas White
Those countries are already capitalist you restarted Tanky. These countries have markets, wage labor, generalized commodity production, privet property, commodity fethization, exploitation, and so on. China stopped being socialist in 1976 and Russia in 1991.
Owen Hernandez
Aaron Jones
It might be a boon, to push for an actual defeat even if they are "capitalist" now would be very costly for the USA, this would allow new left-wing parties in all three countries to emerge
However this would also result in the rise of reactionaries immediately, so there'll be a lot of civil wars
Charles Sanders
Jose Cruz
communism is literally about anti-imperialism, which means opposing the US.
Josiah Nguyen
bad troll. no one is this stupid
Noah Peterson
He's right you know.
Ryan Parker
Marcy please go.
Your little culty sect and the sect that spawn from that sect are bad and you should feel bad.
Jordan Diaz
Juan Lee
Nathaniel Edwards
Inviting all of you to say "Communism is more important than anti-imperialism", so Comrade Che can ban you.
Christopher Sanchez
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Nathan Martinez
1. Capitalism is not a "government", it's a mode of production that can accommodate different political systems.
2. Russia and China are capitalist countries. Russia doesn't even pretend to be socialist anymore.
Caleb Peterson
Landon Brown
well if anything it could put an end to the boogeyman Burger agitate whenever someone talk about even mild socdem policies, but on the other hand they would quickly find another.
Most people can't make the difference, so in most people mind this would mean the effective end of communism, so in suppose this is the kind of psychological effect OP want us to explore in this alternative timeline ne scenario.
Aaron Cruz
why would the US install a captialist government instead of one more like itself?
Jeremiah Myers
Evan Barnes
How is Putin and the current Russian government any of those?
I'm not denying Russia is capitalist but capitalism does not have to be neoliberal.
And the "pro-western" accusation is retarded considering all the sanctions their getting from western imperialists.
Austin Davis
Russia is capitalist and china is just capitalism larping as communism.
The big struggle of the modern age is between illiberal capitalism and liberal capitalism
Or rather neoliberal capitalism and state capitalism.
If china becomes number one it will probably help to spread the ideas of state capitalism rather then the shitty western model. The idiots in charge of the west thought russia and china would just bow down and be cucks after the cold war but they had other plans.
Russias goal seems to want to restore itself as a global player and as an empire, i dont know how practical that is but they sure did poke the west in the eye in syria and the Ukraine
China saw that, and it saw what democracy does to america and it has decided that putin and russia are actually cool and good and would rather follow a russian model of capitlism, and this is why xi was installed as god emperor for life.
As the west declines maybe the only major player for liberal capitalism left will be india. but its fucking india
Gabriel Long
It's been said, but 'installing' a capitalist government in capitalist countries is ridiculous.
Dylan Watson
I think it's a joke
Camden Jones
This already happened?
Blake Powell
Henry Jenkins
No. America is corrupt and even going by their ideals they have the most debt in the world. Nothing good would come of it. All countries seriously should have been diverting resources into their own, but were too busy chasing empty ideals and false truths.
Josiah Reyes
Like I wrote in my comment they are pro western because they worship western cars and technology and their children live in the west.
Mason King
Also, I don't have to believe in anything, you iliterate burger. At the very least learn Russian language and fallow the Russian news before accusing others.
Wyatt Bell
China is socialist and Russia isn't. Both are Anti Imperialist and a threat to American hegemony but one needs to keep in mind that Russia is Capitalist though
Every point that is made there is either silly or flat out wrong. Please logg off
Are you kidding me?
Jack Reed
A comma here and there would have probably been good
Brody Ross
t. you
Julian Gray
apart from that vietnam fiasco i dont see much tbh
Easton Cooper
First.Why would NATO want to have a war with Russia?
Second. Read my comment five more times, but slowly. They are pro western because they like fucking *everything*. Cars, iphones, clothing, food and their children live in the west.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Brody Jackson
If you support fucking tsar, then don't use Lenin's hat.
Jordan Jackson
Citation needed
Dylan Kelly
Tbf that second part is basically all of sovietology it pisses me off so much.
Also y'all need to read the Moscow Times.
Carson Thompson
William Kelly
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Landon Hall
who the fuck even thinks russia nowadays is socialist