Former communist now a falangist

feels>reals: the post
grow up

For the love of God don't get involved in an IRL group because fascist groups are full of petty gangsters, rapists and drug dealers, and they will seek out young people (like yourself maybe) to exploit as either cover for various crimes or for sex. I'm not kidding about this.

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Imternationalism boils down to massive profits at the expense of other people
What like percieved problems like they should manage their land when they only know how to farm, just because your a farmer doesnt mean you should direct the whole plantation

Wew some communist you were.

Jesus fucking Christ you're dumb
you're just fucking stupid
stay away from politics, seriosuly

Welcome to Spain circa 1934

I dont, i only try to convice my group of friends of my ideology

Do you know where you fucking are. Did internationalism for the purpose of world revolution occur to you, or are you so full of ideology.
You've convinced me that you're a Franco larper, well done.

Can you try and be civil, its the least you can do. And yes tell me why internationalism makes it harder for the proles to be exploited

It this basically the "Former trump supporter here" meme
You have to go back you retard

Wje

When I meant massive profits I didnt mean the capitalists
Franco was a traitor that forced the falangists and everyone on his side into a union no one wanted

???
He sure was, those democratically elected governments don't violently depose themselves.

Depends who is it, contrary to communist belief class cooperation is not a meme, an example was Germany of course, the worker were protected and the capitalists were free to do buisness so long as it didnt go against the state and by extension the worker, Mussolini had the leash on the capitalist a bit less restrictive but nonetheless his movement was also pro worker, infact he did reforms to make it easier to get work. Franco(as much as I hate him) also did reforms that protected the worker such as social security, paid vacation and the like

The left won by a very small margin and by no small amount of extortion

go to Zig Forums if you wanna have a civil discussion about your current edgy phase and meme ideology you faggot

When I meant massive profits I meant the upper echelons of the would be global communist goverment. Oh im sorry because the communist state wouldnt be a state since communism and anarchism are basically the same thing

So basically, all you can do is pout about how VEWY UNFAIRRRRR it was, and that the subsequent civil war wasn't the worlds biggest and most violent temper tantrum from the fascists.

You guys always tell Zig Forums and 8/pol/ to be civil in your threads while you autisticly screech in my thread. No, live by your own rules if you make them

I never go to Zig Forums because I don't expect anybody there to care about fucking DeLeonism. Why spend so much time "arguing" about this bullshit if you're just gonna be a nutsacc in a week, than a conservative next month, than a monarchist by the end of summer.

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The worst post you've gotten is this one
Someone telling you are you dumb is autistic screeching to you?

jesus FUCK the state of the ☭TANKIE☭ today

No he fucking didn't, the soviet war strategy was by far a more complicated and efficient one than any of the western forces, whether axis or allied. Stop believing that Enemy at the Gates is an accurate depiction of the entire eastern front. It's closer to depicting the siege of Leningrad mixed in with a healthy dose of Nazi propaganda where the Germans are noble ubermench instead of showing the reality of Army Group North as starving, desperate, and forced into doing the same things the Soviets were.

Look up Deep Warfare and just fucking try to tell me that the Soviet tactic was just human waves you fucking mongoloid FAGGOT

you're telling me he didn't deserve to be called a massive fucking retard after saying that?

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I could say the exact same thing about you, you could change from being a Leninist in a week, then a Trotskiest by the end of the month then a supporter of CUNT FAIL by the end of the summer

My anarchist views don't allow it, but could someone please report this thread to the mods?

Class cooperation does not exist, whether or not you think it should. The white bourgeoisie doesn't give a shit about you and never will, the idea that fascists oppose capitalists is so shamelessly ignorant of historical evidence that you have to go full-on tinfoil conspiratard to justify it.

And if you think radical government was a practical failure, hoo boy. Fascist Italy was such a sad joke of a state that the Allied powers just ran right over them during WWII.

excpet I've been a socialist for over 10 years. But yeah sure, saying "no u" will make you look smarter

No, what I'm saying is you don't know what autistic screeching is. It was someone just saying you are dumb. That's not autistic and nor is it screeching.

Then answer me these simple questions if you think that Soviet war strategy was more complicated

;)

Because that would require me being that stupid

>Former communist liberal now a falangist
FTFY
Anyone who abandons leftism has never read anything about nothing, but has only larped a leftist.
Moving from one point withing anti-capitalism to another in light of new knowledge which matches one's own preferences is not impossible nor uncommon. But from the left to the right, from anti- to pro-capitalist…

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The fact that you have to ask "what's the problem with class collaboration" shows that you never were an actual communist and most likely never actually cared about the theory behind it. You're just one of those many pathetic idiots on the Internet who believe ideologies are like brand T-shirts — some sort of disposable status symbol you get rid off when you've had enough to replace it with a new one you think is cooler. Too bad you didn't also pick up a box of cyanide pills when you went shopping for fascism.

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you meant to say "theory is to hard and i just wanna be edgy"

this
he's someone who picks up ideologies through memes and doesn't look beyond that
whatever suits him best to shitpost as is what he'll pick

It says right on Wikipedia where they fucked up. The Soviet strategy in the Winter War failed miserably due to a lack of coordination, misapplication of strategy, and a damaged command structure, but nowhere does it suggest they were going for "human wave attacks".

That's not even a question.

I was a socialist once as I said in the OP, except that the idea of internationalism sounds disgusting in my opinion, why cant nations cooperate and be forced to fuse together because of "muh global revolution", falangism was fascist in the sense that is wanted to protect Spain against foreign influence which by proxy means a limitation of capitalism since the capitalist would be considered foreign influence, but wait, falangism is also based in leftwing ideals, hence the emphasis on the protection of the workers (infact the flag is based of the anarchist flag, atleast in the colour scheme)

I didnt belive in class cooperation at first

So the whole fuck up could have been prevented had he not started a purge of generals who actually knew what they were doing?
Also

But since you cited wikipedia as a reliable source then 2 can play that game.
It says that their tactical doctrine is based of the first world war russian doctrine which can be summarised as human waves and trench warfare

And it certainly seems like it didn't take much to convince you that class struggle (one of the central tenets of communism) was wrong. Probably because you didn't know the last thing about communism to begin with.

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They already had the experience, but it was not used effectively. Yes, the officer purge damaged it but that wasn't the only problem.

Now Im not going to pretend that was their only plan in a war since that would be being dishonest but the vast mayority of their doctrine was based off the Russian Empire's doctrine and it remained so until the end of WWII

I read The Communist Manifesto, one of my first questions was.
Then the second one was

Here is your citation

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"was shaped by the experience of the First World War" does not mean "Used the tactics of the First World War".
It even says in the very next sentence that they were already recognizing the importance of mobility warfare and mechanized offensives. Not trench warfare and human waves. Can you even read your own citation?

Welp this thread ended too early, it was getting interesting

Yes but that change didnt go overnight not even during the Second World War since their tactic of human wave was replaced by human and metal wave.

"Disgust" indeed — that is what nationalists are usually driven by: irrational gut feelings.
I have no idea what your point is supposed to be here. The meaning of internationalism is that class struggle is to be understood as a worldwide phenomenon and that you can't divide the proletariat along arbitrary lines when their class interests are one. If you're so concerned about immigration, then you'd better go internationalist ASAP because putting an end to global inequality is the only way you're going to end economically-motivated population movements.
Now this is just blatantly contradictory. If capitalism is to be eliminated as a "foreign influence" (which it can't accurately be described as, by the way) then why would you need class collaboration in the first place?
No, it wasn't. The bogus "syndicalism" promoted by some edgier fascists is just rebranded corporatism with a workerist veneer.
There is a big difference between "protecting workers" which social-democracy also does, and abolishing social classes and exploitation.

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You're not even backing up to anything at this point. This was already discussed and you didn't explain how human waves are part of the strategy.

Alright, how about this:
Point to me one case of soviets using an actual human wave attack and show me that you even understand the concept of "human wave".
Spoiler alert: It doesn't mean just disregard for casualties.

Oh yes I forgot that leftwingers hate the idea of national pride and culture unless is not their own
Except that my point is that internationalism looks for a single worldwide communist goverment and I dont want that, infact I would despise a worldwide fascist govermwent, the whole idea of it is distasteful.
Because its not elimination its a limitation, the world was shaped in the way that if you dont trade you cant prosper, the idea is that by limitating capitalist activity to just the economy and even then with goverment regulation then they wouldnt be able to abuse the worker without them loosing money because if they loose money then that means the state looses money and by proxy the worker looses money.
I dont understand that sentence

Here's your problem: the Manifesto is a short pamphlet that was designed to familiarize workers with communism and agitate them in the wake of the People's Spring that spread through Europe in the mid-19th century. It is below entry-level and very short on theory — though to be honest it is clear enough about class struggle that someone who read it wouldn't suddenly decide to become a class collaborationist a few days later.
What the fuck are you talking about? Who is "the one" you are referring to? What does he "know" about what he's doing? Sounds like a contrived excuse for what amounts to spineless bootlicking to me.
The Manifesto is in the public domain and can easily be found and read on the Internet. You just happened to be dumb enough to actually go and buy it full-priced on Amazon.

Stalingrad

Then did he do a book about the actual theory of communism? Because that manifesto sounds like a glorifies propaganda phamflet
I meant the one that tells me what I should do at my workplace

For the love of God, read Marx.

you barely read anything, you were a pseud and will continue as a pseud, dipshits like you are useful idiots, were fine with you leaving

Everything else, including the most famous das kapital.
C'mon man.
It is

Fuck you, convince me to want to convince you.

Jesus christ you fucking phoneposter.

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He's just spooked.
On the Eastern Front the Soviet tactics and strategy developed into fascinating brilliant shine over the war.
They even had several different types of armored regiments for different purposes. For example in 1944 regiments equipped the IS-2 heavy tanks would stand behind the front lines and when needed be directed to destroy points or pockets of heavy resistance or to create penetrations and opportunities for the more agile vehicles to break trough.

This example, among the tactics and strategic organizational solutions that preceded them, could not be described as "human wave" attacks, as they were directed towards allowing quick flanking opportunities and pincer maneuvers — an age-old tactic and strategy much favored even by the Germans themselves wherever and whenever they were on the offensive.

"Enemy at the Gates" is not a historically accurate movie. Pop-culture in general should not be the basis of any proper perspective on historical events.

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You know what, Ill humor you I will read it and post a thread about what I thought about it and comparing it to Jose Antonio's works
what a waste of time and money

The what now?

Welp now it is definately dead
Thanks for the answers and entertainement it was quite some time since I had conversation with marxists

Now I will enjoy a round of Papers Please

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Careful not to burn your hand with that hot take, bucko. I have no interest in fostering or accommodating "national pride" in any shape or form. I'll leave that sort of feels-over-reals nonsense to the "miserable fools" as Schopenhauer put it.
Why do you even find that idea distasteful…? You don't even explain why, you just say you don't like it because for fear of contracting cooties. Anyway, "a worldwide communist government" is a caricatured way of describing world communism — which does away with the state as a tool of class domination to make way for a federation of communes based on free association.
Yeah, just like social-democratic regulation. You do realize New Deal-era America also introduced "limitations" on capitalism, right? In fact, they probably went further than Italy or Germany at the time, who often flip-flopped because economics simply weren't their priority.
Not sure what you're trying to say. You sound like someone defending free trade, in fact. It doesn't seem like your worldview is very consistent.
What a mess… Anyway, "limiting " capitalism will never get rid of exploitation. Exploitation is a qualitative, not quantitative phenomenon. Why would you want to keep around a system that needs its destructive potential constantly constrained when you could work towards a system that isn't exploitative to begin with?
Many of the fascist groups that sought to appeal to the industrial working class dressed their rhetoric in socialist-sounding language, and describing their politics as "syndicalism" was one of their usual moves in that direction. However, what they referred to as syndicalism was very different from what socialists conceived it as — to the latter it was an organ of class struggle, to the former it was just thinly-veiled corporatism. Corporatism is the name of the ideology that promotes state-mandated class collaboration.
What does "national unity" has to offer to a prole like me, especially if it insists on curbing class struggle and persecuting workers who defend their interests? Flag-waving ceremonies?

Nibba, are you serious? Haven't you heard of Capital? That's his major work, not the Manifesto. But let's face it, you'll never read it: it consists of 1,000+ pages' worth of theory and it's obvious you only care about ideology insofar as they're reduced to fashion statements.
Again, that was the point of the Manifesto. It's more agit-prop than actual analysis.
Yeah, your manager. So I was right about the spineless bootlicking, uh? Managers don't know anything special but precisely that, management of the workforce to ensure they work towards the interests of the company and not their own as workers. It is nothing but social control.

There is nothing to compare. Primo de Riveira wasn't a theorist, all he wrote were superficial propaganda and party programs.

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Hottest take of all time.

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By the way, why would you even identify with Falangism in particular anyway? Are you Spanish and/or Catholic? Because if you aren't then it's obvious you only chose that brand of fascism specifically for the aesthetics of the yoke-and-arrows and Cara del Sol more than anything else.

I am Spanish, and lets just say my family had a role in the making of Falangism

everytime

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Come to >>>/marx/7739 you illiterate faggot. You will likely not be able to understand a single thing about the book without proper help, given how you have no background whatsoever. I can throw you a couple of introductory PDFs if you want, in total amounting to 80 pages and giving a solid and quick introduction to Marxist economic theory.

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No such thing, communism is global or it isn't communism. Did you mean state socialism or perhaps transition states?
goddamn but you're retarded.

Spooks. Read Stirner. It's an imaginary joke to get retards (i.e. you) to die for their masters. Now be a good dog and your boss will give you some headpats, and should you die after being drafted like the disposable urchin you are, your master will (maybe) hire some other people to throw you a state funeral and sprinkle some nice words over your corpse when they're done with you, for all the good that'll do you. I call that a paying kind of egoism.

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So you proved my point on communism and anarchism being the same thing
When you produce something and recieve something else of equal value.

what a fucking cuck

There's like twenty different schools of anarchism with some of them being pro-market and pro-private property among other things. Saying communism and anarchism are the same is grossly incorrect.

not buying it

Lack of a state and anarchism isn't the same thing, moron.
Holy shit you're retarded
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory)
Not an argument. Read the fucking ego book, you cuck.

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Atleast my family had some relevance in something and isnt an CUNT FAIL pantifa supporter that smokes weed and gets fucked by Tyrone…

Sorry I got a bit carried away

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First off I don't see how that disproves what I wrote. Secondly if you would read the next paragraph in that article it says "Insofar as they ensure the worker's right to the full product of their labor, mutualists support markets and property in the product of labor." Thirdly, earlier in this thread you said Wikipedia isn't a reliable source but now you are using it?

ay bendito, esos años de franco fueron bonanza para españa no?
el chiste es que no lo fueron

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That's not communism, you dumb fuck. But you're a francoist LARPer anyway so it's not like you even know what communism is.

lmao buttblasted cuz he's losing this hard. See you next week when you become a NutSac LARPer or whatever. Girls still won't want to fuck you though. Sage.

that's the weakest fucking insult I've seen

stop posting anytime

Fixed your shitty image, dude

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well nationalised, friend

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Nice work comrade.

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Anglos