Free speech

Comrades, far right is winning in UK
They hold rallies in London, are protected by police, have football hooligans as additional protection.
LGBT traitors are colluding with them.
They have turned free speech into right wing issue and are gathering support.
Maybe we should push for free speech to take that initiative from them?

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Dude Corbyn is still popular as fuck

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Have you seen size of their free speech event in London?
Tommy Robinson few weeks ago had massive gathering in Hyde Park.
We can not mobilise even close to those numbers(how do you do fellow comrades)

also I save your spurdo and raise you a spurdo

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Cobyn filled glastonbury. It's trash. It's what the media wants you to belive. They show a few pics of crowds and make you belive that is full so that you vote center next time "against extremism". I've read right wing sources that talked about 5k people in london.

5k in london is nothing. Fuck off.

You're all going back to the zoos, and there is positively nothing you can do about it. Bye bye, baboons.(Bye bye, baboonposter.)

Haha no, 150k in Manchester says otherwise. Neck yourself OP.

literally who?
why should anyone care about some yankeefied faggots who watch youtube spergouts
ukip is dead
the tories are in terminal decline
Labour is ascendant and filled with trots, mls and other assorted communists.

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After a week of failed attempts to infiltrate with the incel meme, Zig Forumstards resort to all out "blackpill" posting.

Dude, it's just so fucking obvious what you're trying to do here. Try harder. Brit is the stage for next leftist resurgence.

Oh no! Not the geezer brigade! I know they can't bust heads like they used to but they have their ways.

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Glastonbury is entertainment, they are amassing politically motivated activists in large numbers. Those people gather for specific political purpose only.
Noone expected Trump, yet it happened
It seems like Corbyn is popular but it might turn sour real fast(fuck off may)

Here in the US, "free speech" has always meant "right-wing free speech".

Let's end this belief right now that a conservative candidate being elected to the presidency of the united states is some kind of once in a century, comet scrapes through the earths atmosphere, solar eclipse, million to one shot rarity that we need to study "meme magic" to understand. There was a conservative president before Obama. And don't even mention his showman TV personality because that has happened already too.

It's funny people are still shocked America would elect an aging D-list celebrity for the highest office in the line. Whats Reagan?

We'll see what happens when the twats try and hold their little rally in Manchester next week.

Wait, when & where?

Hullo, officer.

Who cares most "Far-Right" Demos are just Zig Forums tier LARP-fests
Remember:
BNP is dead
UKIP is dead
All of UKIP's succesor groups are Literally who
The new "Moderate" RadCenter group is dead in the water

The Far-Right is dead once again
2016-7 was their death shrieks

literally who

You Know U…Wait who?

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Thing about these far right demos is that they have big money behind them: likely Aaron Banks and yanks funding them. The one in London had a big stage, a proper sound system and all that.

But be to Honest if true that just makes the fact that outside of Zig Forumss heads the Far-Right is basically dead even more funny

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Figgsed :D

It sure seemed like world end from our side of atlantic.

It's not that shocking something like trump got elected. It's that everyone said he wont stand a chance.
DNC was supporting him from behind scenes during primaries because they though it will be easy win.
Then they screwed over Bernie and against all odds they lost.

Because they have massive support.
Their crowd funding shows that.
Thousands of small donations.
Thousands activists attending.
People might like Corbyn but that's it.
Too much division in Labour and people like Diane Abbot talking porkies on BBC don't help.
BNP got squashed after they were given a platform.
Everyone turned their back on them as soon as their heard them speak.
I think that free speech is worth supporting for that very reason.
Even if it's far right, that seems to be working even better in UK.

Okay you are either a shit falseflagger or you have never seen a rightwing demo before. I am from near Luton, EDL used to draw those crowds, you just draw a bigger one in opposition.

If they have "Massive support" how come all these groups have no actual political victory to show for it?

There is actually a more nuanced answer to this: economics. You see this people can rockup (nationally btw, these right wing marches are always drawing people from around the country and the counterprotester lot are locals) to demos talking about muh freezepeach or muslamics or gultural margsisms but they can never put a platform together: you know why? Because their economics are totally contradictory. Most of the working class people there will be economically leftwing (probs not socialist but for state capitalism and econ nat at least) but the leaders are neolibs. Katie Hopkins for example is a massive fucking porky, but she would never say that it her fans. Organisationally these orgs are doomed to fall apart, what we should be doing is forcing them apart on economics.

No, it isn't. Show me one far right community organisation with any actual punch, actually helping people to do anything at all.
have done for years. How many of the clowns at that rally do you think are actually part of right wing "activism" i.e. building a community presence and how many are just bald drunks and/or pubescent nerds learning their nazism from the internet, these people are nothing to anyone important
Antifa in the UK is full of football hooligans, I should know, I'm part of one. Also you will have noticed that the VERY short lived "football lads alliance" we you are probably referring to broke up in a matter of months due to infighting…because they spend the rest of their weekends kicking fuck out of each other over football, so hardly surprising. The new "democratic football lads association" LOL DPRK anyone? Is run by a 17 year old whose dad was put in a coma by.. left wing football hooligans. The whole thing is a fucking joke. Sure they can gather some people in a place, beyond that, they are fucking nothing.
pffft, wut? Doesn't even deserve a response
They don't even nearly have the support that Snowden/Assange had during the surveillance revelations, it will come to nothing, you can't base a whole movement which real people with jobs and kids support around "they blocked me from twitter bro"
fair enough point, yes, we should counter protest by showing how Germany banned Kurdish symbols and the Spanish government is jail Catalan journalists and politicians etc

Why your sort expect people who share some superficial aspect of the existence with you to share your worldview and consider them backstabbers for not doing so is bizarre. There have been a steady stream of right-wing LGBT persons; unsurprisingly not everyone bases their understanding of the world on who they fuck. That the right have begun to accept such people into the fold is a marker of the success of the GLBT movement.
I agree with this. The intersectionals, such as , with their stupid frozen fruit meme and aggressive speech policing have openly declared that the masses shall only be allowed to speak as I see fit. This is similarly accompanied by the expansion of no platform policies from targeting explicitly and specifically neo-nazis to anyone that voices an opinion intersectionals disapprove of. Germaine Greer, for example.
This sound suspiciously like the accusations that many intersectionals make constantly: "anyone who opposes me is a nazi". The problem is the obnoxious views and attitudes of those intersectionals are causing others from across the political spectrum to make common cause with the far-right.

Comrades, just spam BLACKED.COM porn in the rallies and that will show the fascists that they will never be welcome.

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Why do right-wingers alwas gain footholds whenever free speech is allowed?

Yes comrade, that would certainly dab on their parade, epic style.

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I actually think they're reacting to a relative loss of cultural hegemony. We hear the left is censorious because they're no-platforming speakers who think it's okay to discuss race and Autism Level, but that used to be the subject of cover stories in The New Republic in the 90s. Islamophobia is now not tolerated to the extent that it was years ago. And it's not like any of these reactionaries ever take up offers to debate people on the left when they actually make them. It's "okay I'll debate you… for $15,000."

It's an old regime in the process of degeneration and it's a fraud.

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What about a candidate like Trump thats in between democrat and conservative? Who has been members of both parties?

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…aren't a bunch of swastika waving hitlerites. It's that simple. The no platform policy was specifically implemented for those people and only those people. Other obnoxious viewpoints do not have a history of marinading people in cyanide gas. Dig out Peter Tatchell's remarks in support of free speech and noting that certain parties have had a long standing desire to wield the policy as a weapon by politicizing institutions against any and all enemies.
Why would it not be? In all honesty, with remarks like this and wobbling on about "Cultural Hegemony" I'm guessing you're a critical theorist. Seems to be a common trap of this viewpoint to assume that discussion of physiological difference will necessitate a certain ethical outcome. Yet we haven't cloned any humans.
Furthermore, that "Cultural Hegemony" disappeared from the UK in the 80s along with Bernard Manning from the television screen.
Sargon versus Muke. You're either trolling or need to stop telling such highly visible lies.

holy shit

corbyn growing in popularity, UKIP scuppered in council elections and tories have less council seats. fucking read.
where. when.
so a bunch of "safety in numbers" cowards who run at the first sign of trouble
who. how.
the right hates free speech, the fuck is this. are we being trolled or are you just that retarded.

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genocide is OK as long as you don't weave swastikas around and chant hitler's name
ahahahaha

Holy shit comrades

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lol

Is there someone else espousing genocide you'd like to point out to the class or are you going wait for your testicles to descend before commenting again?

either or…then UK is Nazbol

nice fantasy projection. no one wants to hear about your nigger cock fetish.

I mean shit if your campaign for free speech has less people than the Jezza fan club, sounds like you're not really winning lad.

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GANG GANG GANG

and what exactly do you think is the end goal of the altright?

Are you actually trying to give Corbyn credit for there being a large crowd at glastonbury?

Be more specific about who you are referring to, please. "Altright" has become a snarl term to be applied to the enemies of liberals at this point.

Nope, parts of the left made free speech a right-wing issue through their opposition to freedom of speech.

who? where?
lol
lel
they put hoodies on and make arses of themselves, nothing more
might? guy's basically a celebrity now
which he is systematically dealing with. there was a big purge of blarites a while ago
your true colours are showing
oh fuck off. the far right has little if any presence at all here. and the far left are most certainly making themselves known.

no, I don't think so

No, they're not.

Hey Zig Forums, what'cha doing?

*Blocks your path*

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Am I in a goddamn Youtube comment section?

Look sweetie, class comes first. The rest is just divisive.

There is no real far right in the UK. At best you've got some angry edgy teenagers in the North who are listed alongside actual full blown terrorist groups by the "conservative" government.

This post smells suspiciously Islamic.


Free speech is anti-leftist and works against leftist objectives.

He's not though. Stop trying to use leftists to bulster your pro-Islamic shit.

These people aren't Far Right. They're just anti-Islam. Islam is also an enemy of leftism. It has no place in civilization.

These old geezers can be converted to leftism by simply promising them free shit.

This is false. The left/anarchists hate free speech. As evidenced by their endless campaigning against free speech.

There is no right wing in the UK. So it's a moot point anyway.

And this is why

They don't. The violent mobs who burn free speech signs and charge the right made free speech an issue for the right.

There is no Right Wing in the UK. Just liberals and a spectrum extending to the far left.

The "right wing" in the UK is such a tiny, miniscule, ineffective niche sliver of people it isn't worth discussing.

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Of course it is.

Like most liberal policies, economic or social, it undermines the top down authoritarian structure needed to maintain a leftist society. Why do you think all successful leftist societies have had to violently suppress freedom of expression? The same reason as top down heavy structures like fascism. Too much free speech and freedom in genral will inevitably lead to liberalism undermining and overtaking all other structural models.

r u sure

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hhhhmmmm

100%. Why would you even question it? They routinely rally against freedom of speech and express openly and publically their hatred of freedom of speech (and freedoms in general) and their support for authoritarian state rule. See their contstant co-operation with the federal authorities in the U.S. or the British state (both conservatives and leftists).

See them demanding people be jailed (and worse) for making nazi dog jokes.

Name a leftist nation that managed any sort of long term stability without a strict top down authoritarian structure.

I never said that. The fact that you have to resort to bad faith, disingenuous arguments, yet you don't question yourself over why you feel the need to do this, should give you pause.

Why you can't engage in a sensible conversation and instead fall back to immediate hostility when someone might mention an idea you don't quite understand, should also give you pause.

Read Bakunin and Kropotkin. fucking hell, this is painful levels of unread.

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libs are right wing faggot, stop posting anytime

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Why is this person banned for this. I mean they might be wrong, but it's just their opinion,

It's absolutely right to say that people might turn on Corbyn, that's exactly what the Brit media have been trying to do

It's pretty obvious that's OP ban evading, which he deserves for yet another "help help fellow leftists the right are winning" posts

He's talking about current anarchist movements. Not anarchist philosophers of the 19th century.

The mod in this thread

Is good

Because they deserve to be banned?

fixed that for you, free of charge, comrade.

Sure just push for ending the porn bans and over the top regulations the UK has and is complimenting.

in Aus here. Could you provide any sources for comrades protesting against freedom of speech and/or the nazi pug shitshow?

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How about you name a leftist nation that wasn't destroyed by external forces because they were seen as a threat?
Authoritarianism isn't necessarily a part of leftism. It's just an unfortunate reality that only a handful of leftist nations have ever existed and so were unable to take root without deforming.
This is quite unlike capitalism which had, compared to socialism/communism/anarchism/whatever, an easy time. For example the USA was never under threat during its development.

Nudity is the only thing that can save us.

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not from the time period I was from.

Corbyn can get more people out at a surprise appearance than the right can get with £100000s and months of advertising.

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To be fair, most of the """anarchists""" on reddit hate free speech.

Free speech doesn't mean you can ignore the pronouns of the trans community, eh.

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Go away and take your idpol talking points with you.

Sort yourself out, young man. Consider the plight of the lobster transsexual.

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i am old
is this what they call meme magic?