What's so bad about using escorts to solve the Incel problem?

They get paid at a pretty good rate per hour in the modern world, and also the whole experience will finally get rid of their belief of marrying the princess and accept reality

Seriously, it's a match made in heaven, so what exactly is wrong with it?

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Because incels aren't really about sex as much as they are desperately confused about their need for an intimate relationship, something that escorts don't provide. Despite being "incels" sex is one of the least of their actual problems, the real core of which being societal atomization.

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Psychiatrists should determine what these people need. If sex therapy is a sound suggestion, so be it, but I think these people's obsession with their own virginity is part of deeper emotional issues. Most likely loneliness.

Yeah but Zig Forums keeps telling me these incels just have to shape up and stop being losers

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Escorts can and do provide intimacy as well as sex acts. If women were taught to be more empathetic (as a consequence of teaching people in general to be more empathetic) they would more readily seek out "project" men. And men would be better able to be good partners and/or readily change through understanding themselves and others.

I have been interacting in incel communities online on and off for almost 5 years now. I first discovered incel on PUAhate, the home of Elliot Rodger (ER posted a lot more on misc though). PUAhate's admin took down their site because he was afraid that PUAhate would be held legally liable for what Elliot Rodger did. Misc scrubbed Elliot Rodger's posting history clean. They wanted to just pretend like he never existed on here.

The thing with incels is not the lack of sex. It's that they seek validation from women. Men have been taught by society that their worth as a man is dependent on female approval. Since incels fail to win female approval, society looks down on them as losers, failures, etc. And they internalize this. This is why they are angry at the world and want to kill people.

Society needs to stop socially ostracising virgins and guys who don't get laid. Society's treatment of incels is the problem. The incel who goes and shoots up or jumps a curb is just a man who is trying to take back what is left of is dignity and get his revenge on a society that mocks him and treats him like a second class citizen.

You ever notice how most incels are surbanite petite bourg filth? I wonder why that is?

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These fucking daily incels are tiresome as shit and if the mods could just fucking delete them it would make this board a fucking trillion times better.

Assume they're from plebbit.

Fuck off. Engaging in selective listening (I am NOT the only person to have brought up this point) because we don't all fall into self-hating pity and agree all women are nasty worthless whores who only date Chads for their looks is as disingenuous as it is disgusting.

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enough with the incel threads already oh my god

this, really
just start fucking reporting incel threads as spam. That's all they really are.

I imagine most incels are actually homeless.

The core of incel rage has absolutely nothing to do with sexual frustration. See my analysis here:

I have had sex and had a couple girlfriends. I've been out of the "game" for a couple years and people treat you like you are weird or something must be wrong with you if you haven't had sex in a couple years. I blocked my first serious girlfriend because she would talk to me even though she had a boyfriend. And if I flirted with her, she'd be like "I have a boyfriend". And then she'd pry into my personal life. And wondered why I wasn't dating anyone. It's as if she was trying to get an ego boost or something by wanting to feel like she won or something. I hate that shit. Fuck normies. I used to identify as incel (until I actually did get a girlfriend). But really now I see myself as a misanthrope. People are scum. when I used to be a wage cuck, my female co-workers wondered why I didn't have a girlfriend, etc. And when I got one, they were shocked. These people deserve to be curb jumped. I can understand why Elliot Rodger and Alek Minassian did what they did. People are scum.

I already made the argument that it's not a sex thing.

why is the incel "problem" even worth considering, these people don't even make up half a percent of the population. Why is female hate even an issue, i've never met a single one of these people outside.

they really aren't though. most are working class whites. the living embodiment of the whole ubermensch meme where you have low class whites supporting unironic nazis and shit.

omg dude!!! we are like best pals. i mean i'm fucking wasted right now just eating frozen burritos… but i can relate ot htis post so much. i don't like people either and used to kinda fit the whole 'incel' stereotype. i'm still a virgin though, just not as bitter about it as i used to be since i became a leftist.

you made a good point too about the whole 'why dont you have a girlfriend' rhetoric. i used to be asked this question and it always bugged me in the same way. honestly even when i've been putting forth the effort i don't see the point to a lot of relationships. i just want some mild companionship and sex… not really have to waste my time money and priorities on some attention whore. i feel like i'm more antisocial and it's not elliot roger tier, but i more on the spectrum of a personality disorder or something.

i'm not some violent shit though either

hey since you're piss drunk.
don't worry about virginity my dude no one realistically cares, remember that if its your first time and its just a hook up some dutch courage really helps to get over the nerves.

See that's where you're going wrong.

whhat is that

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Because inceldom is not about muh sex, no matter how much people think it is, it is caused by loneliness and by a society that mocks men who are not in a relationship or are virgins, while not doing the same for women (Women who dont need to man, women virginity is even appreciated, sometimes non-virginity is even mocked in women, which is also an issue)

Leftypol says this is misogyny tho

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A lot of them are, but that's actually related to what that poster said; being a petit-bourg young person that probably has successful parents, a college education, lives reasonably comfortably etc. and yet still being a "failure" because they've internalized the need for approval from the opposite sex can enhance the pathological desire to project all of their problems onto women as a big other precisely because in every other area of life they have no excuses. If you combine that with the general sense of bourgeois entitlement that a lot of these individuals are raised with in their class they also see themselves as better than others and as such lash out because their egos are incredibly fragile and they feel worthless. Of course when they do such, that only leads to a reinforcement of their pathology because it's met with a negative response. The vast majority of incels I'd imagine aren't even aware of what inceldom is, because they have other problems in their lives like paying rent, not getting fired, ensuring their basic means of survival. After all relationships are relatively expensive, especially in a dating culture such as the US where there are lot of cultural pressures, both organic and manufactured by capital. I'd hazard a guess that these specific kinds of petit-bourg sons are overrepresented online because they're able to live a NEET lifestyle more often without worrying about security.

The issue of inceldom wasn't that anons thought that incels by themselves were bad, but that some of the attitudes certain incels expressed were reactionary and focused on woman just not providing them sex rather then society as a whole. Most anons acknowledged the reason inceldom occurred and said such (alienation, commodification of sex, etc.), but everytime they did they were met with the response of "much sexual bourgeoisie" or "woman are naturally whores". There is also a clear line between " I'm lonely and unable to find love" and "Having a daughter is cucking yourself because you won't be able to have sex with her.".

Where are you getting this idea that incel NEETs are petit-bourgeoisie? lmao.

I'm not an incel anymore (I have "graduated" towards MGTOW). I am however a NEET (I trade crypto to make income. And I make more from this than a lot of wage cucks. I made like over $100k from the bitcoin boom last year). My daddy was a well-compensated wage cuck tradesman. He is now retired and has a comfy pension. It probably literally costs him a few thousand dollars a year tops to let me live under his roof, use his electricity, heating, water, high-speed internet, eat his groceries and use his soap or whatever. My dad doesn't buy all the stuff that I like so I have to buy some of my own groceries and household items. How the fuck is a carpenter wage cuck petit-bourgeoisie? Get the fuck outta here with this nonsense.

The NEET epidemic is so pronounced because if you make good money from your wage cuck job or have a comfortable pension and you love your kids, chances are you're not going to kick your kid out onto the street.

Maybe your parents are poor ass wage cucks and can't afford to keep you around. Or maybe they don't love you. That doesn't make my family petit-bourgeoisie retard. Unless you really want to start arguing with me that a tradesman wage cuck is not working class.

I'm the "having a daughter is cucking yourself" guy. And I mentioned above that the pain of inceldom is from loss of social status and respect from society, being mocked by society, etc. as opposed to lack of sex. I've fucked like 11 escorts I think. Had 2 serious girlfriends, fucked a couple hookups, had a blowjob from a couple other hookups. I can confirm that relationship sex > masturbation > casual sex. Sexual frustration is not the issue.

I'm sick of these threads being bumplocked because I would like to have a serious discussion about the social alienation of inceldom. I don't agree with Swedish Incel that we should have state-issue gfs and enforced monogamy. But I do think that people need to stop bullying incels and girlfriend-less guys.

I gave up on dating 2 years ago. I'm sick of dealing with the judgy bullshit from people for my decision. "How come you don't have a girlfriend?" "Don't you want a girlfriend?" "What so you're just going to jerk off for the rest of your life?"

Are you surprised that incels are shooting up people when they have to deal with the social stigma? I'm not even incel. I'm not a virgin. But I still have to deal with the judgy bullshit from people. This is partly why I live a hermit hikikomori lifestyle. I don't even see extended family on Christmas.


First off, incels don't spend much time outside as pointed earlier.
Second, I saw SELF-REPORT statistics that show that over 15% of young men haven't had sex within the past year. Meanwhile it was only around 8% for young women. Incel is far more than 0.5%.
And the problem has nothing to do with sexual frustration. The problem is that incels are on the bottom of the social totem pole and treated like shit by other people. When people get to know you, one of the things they ask is if you have a girlfriend. And then they start wondering why you don't have one. They get very nosey and judgy. It's as if a man's self-worth in society is tied to his ability to get girls.

It's very telling when people say on here and reddit that I don't have a girlfriend because I'm a "shit human being." No, I don't have a girlfriend because I'm an extreme introvert. Society, please stop bullying me for being introverted. Women have had sex with me so I'm tired of all this bullshit about how "women can sniff out the evil" shit that SJW cucks trot out. My girlfriend and I broke up because I was waaaaayyy too introverted. She wanted a guy to take her on an adventure. I don't hold any animosity towards her. Beyond the fact that she fed me breadcrumbs after she found a new guy after we broke up. And I rage-blocked her because I felt like she was keeping me as a backup in case it didn't work out with her boyfriend. When I unblocked her, I found out she tried texting me, tried calling me, tried messaging me on Whatsapp multiple times (that I couldn't read because it still shows as encrypted if you blocked someone at the time it was sent). I may have missed a chance to get back with her. But what she was doing was fucked up. I hate it when ex-girlfriends play games.

I'm NEET atm myself lad, you need to calm down and reread what I wrote. You're taking something that wasn't directed at you personally way too seriously. Why are you simultaneously defending what you see as your working class status whilst simultaneously shitting on workers later in your post?

I said that a certain percentage of NEETs are neccessarily lumpen from petit-bourgeois families and would likely be overrepresented in the online discussion, and furthermore I was only talking about Incels who aren't even exclusively NEET and at best a small subsection of NEETs.

You understand that this isn't just an American phenomenon right? Like think about the concept of NEETdom globally, for example around 40% of Italians under 25 are NEET last I checked, there are less families in Italy who are able to support their children even though extended families by and large are cheaper and in my view much better. Within each place there will also be class divisions among NEETs, and NEETs from proletarian families will be concerned with things other than how much we hate women, like both of us for example. I'm not attempting to shame NEETs here they're pretty much exclusively a late stage capitalist phenomenon that have arisen from the aftermath of social democratic policies that have enabled working class families to be able to support their children beyond the "culturally accepted age" in a period where the labour force is increasingly dominated by capital and it's ability to extract surplus globally.

I really don't get why you'd stoop to attack a working class family like mine based on what I said, I've actually been homeless twice for exactly the reason you listed, yet you don't see me getting triggered to all fuck over your personal attacks when I never said shit about you. Grow the fuck up.

Then just be more sociable. I bet alt right sperglord make up a good portion of that 15 %.

Paid intimacy is a contradiction in terms. There might certainly be an illusion of intimacy, but it is spiritually sterile if not outright poisonous.

Women already do that; they just try to pick good returns on the investment of their time and energy and your garden-variety incel isn't going to provide that because as much as we can talk about atomization and alienation, the average incel is a deeply dysfunctional individual on a personal level to begin with and making it is the exception to the rule instead of the norm.

Yeah, and people who want to get stronger should get liposuction instead of hitting the gym.