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All right, so I sat through it. Here's what he does: he notes bad things happening in Venezuela, and in between mouths the word "mismanagement". But at no point does he investigate any specific instances of mismanagement. Can't he find any? Is it perhaps because there are mostly structural challenges facing the country? I can't tell because he didn't offer any deep analysis beyond "haha Maduro does and says silly things, insert gay joke here". Which he then follows up by implying the US is not in fact sabotaging Venezuela - it's not our fault! We didn't impose sanctions and fund opposition cum insurgent groups and a coup!

Liberal piece of shit.

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John Oliver is an insufferable liberal but at least he somewhat ackonwlegdes that the largest cause of the economic crises is caused by the oil crash. Unlike lolberts and conservatives who just say it's because of "muh BIG gubbermind :DDD"

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youtube.com/watch?v=YUYWrPiUeWY

Inflation has increase 14000% since this was filmed.

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US imperialism is mentioned to say "we didn't do anything, unlike in chile"

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I'm going on record to say that I'm not a large fan of Venezuela, their model of Social Democracy for Latin America always seemed doomed to fail.
But this piece is clearly liberal agitprop, and you'd have to be either ignorant, or a real nasty bastard to excuse the obvious meddling the US is doing in the nation.

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On a related note; Why does it seem that literally every person that moves to the US that was in the anglosphere somehow forget the concept of social democracy?
So many fucking “Conservative pundents” who live in LA are Canadians and they all hammer that “SOCIAL DEMOCRACY = SOCIALISM! COMMUNISM! QUITE LITERALLY STALIN!” when Canada actually has fucking social democrats. Even Oliver somehow forgot about what fucking Labour was prior to Blair. Am I missing something?

they have neolibs in the uk they are called blairites.

The fucking British are like professional rich assholes that invented classism

And of course neoliberlism is the most insidious thing on the planet. "Im socially liberal and love minorities, just dont talk about class mmmkay, more women CEO'S tee hee"

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This is just more burger word policing. Everything left of Obama is literally Staltlir (stalin/hitler). It helps the average burger mind function without any of that pesky nuance, Oliver is just putting on burger lingo to speak to his flock

I’m guessing that might be the reason he doesn’t do the typical burger route of “it’s Socialism’s fault :DDD”

his map of places the us fucked up in the past was very very conservative.

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So far I haven’t read a single effective rebuttal to ANYTHING John Oliver has said so far. Liberal capitalism is the real way forward regardless of if you like it or not.

We are tired of rebuking the same tired arguments, a decent amount of us have to do so in real life too. This is a fucking *chan.

Why should be need to make a rebuttal to anything he said? Be barely talks about socialism at all in the video.

right.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

Libs always pretend to be outraged about our past but as soon as it's happening in real time they cape for the government and insist it's different this time

Dumb post but it didn't deserve a ban. Venezuela's government has made some bad decisions (like letting oil exports take up 90% of their GDP), but obviously there were still significant roles played by OPEC, the US, sanctions, plus the clear imperialist ambitions in the country. While we should staunchly defend Venezuela from imperialism, we can still analyze its policies and look poor decisions on their part. Criticism and self-criticism, etc.

So like the poster said, their government is full of idiots. Why the fuck would you ever invest so much money into a limited, volatile resource, especially one in which the major players are insanely rich world powers like the US and OPEC? The video wasn't that bad, Current Year Man called out that giving away free shit isn't socialism and correctly reported that Venezuela's problems came from oil prices outside their control. A country being socialist doesn't make it an automatic utopia or immune from bad decisions, I wish anons on this board would grow some thicker skin.

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True, but there was also obvious cases of meddling, like the Saudis flooding the market to drop the price and fuck over Iran, Russia, and Venezuela. Obviously it wouldnt have been so catastrophic if Maduro had diversified their economy, so there was clearly both imperialist meddling and local incompetence at play. They should have used some of their oil money to set up manufacturing or something, they could have even done this in a way that advanced socialism like setting up co-ops or SOEs in diverse economic sectors.

Oh we tried but local private firms and companies, (traditional monopolies) fought with their teeth to make that impossible. This is a total war, honestly this whole situation went over the governments head.

Also Co-ops were implemented at the beginning with Chávez government around 2000 - 2002. They were a total failure. The only ones remaining mostly are transportation co-ops, and they behave even worst than complete private transportation companies.

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Well the fact that they're hardly any remaining is pretty telling

>youtube.com/watch?v=IYfgvS0FA7Uhttps://www.yout
The very first joke, man, it has so many layers. It's genius. Just think about it.

1. These words sound similar: Venezuela, vuvuzela.
2. Benezela = Ben Affleck + vuvuzela
3. Ben Affleck is fucking a vuvuzela.

He basically compressed 3 jokes into one! Who else does that? I'm convinced this guy is the best standup comedian alive. Absolute talent!

Both Russia and Iran are dependent on oil, yet neither of them were hit as much as Venezuela. Furthermore there are countries like Cuba and even DPRK who have been under sanctions for years, without as much arable land or oil, yet they are not as bad.

Venezuelas government=idiots.

Should have shot the bourgeois on the spot and given the means of production to the workers.
Venezuelas government=idiots.

The failure to develop a diversified and productive economy with the oil surplus is clearly the central issue here. It's easy to point out the failure but I wonder how easy it was. They do have a fairly sizable manufacturing sector it just floundered. There's also some strange things about Venezuelan trade I don't understand. The US is still their largest trading partner but Venezuela is unable to obtain dollar currency? And without dollar reserves or gold China will only trade with them in oil since they've been backing the us petrodollar up until a bit ago which is a rough deal for Venezuela. Venezuela was also exporting large amounts of food while importing massive amounts of food from the US for some reason. Why didn't they prioritize self-sufficiency for food? Its clearly biting them in the ass now.

Was there a reason a deal wasn't struck to get local production running? I understand local monopolies don't want to give anything up but if you put a gun to their heads and say you can work with us and keep half or fight us and get nothing it seems like they would play ball.

I agree, if he claims to present this balanced, liberal analysis different from Fox News and Infowars he can't just be this one sided.

- The US DID sanction them and financed opposition
- The US and Saudi Arabia DID manipulate the oil price to fuck with Russia
- The opposition there IS violent
- The Venezuelan bourgeoisie DOES manipulate the economy

These are no small things contributing to the Venezuelan crisis. Hell, he doesn't even have to like Maduro, but to just ignore this is dishonest and doesn't differentiate him from infowars of which he made fun of in that segment.

He specifically states that it's not due to socialism, but due specifically to Maduro's policies. Even if you don't agree with it, that's a far less fearmongering assessment than most other liberals in the media would be willing to offer.

Jesus christ you people, fucking chill.

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Maduro's policies are not perfect, but they don't exist in a vaccuum. Ignoring the reality of imperialist sabotage is just a big of a slander.

epic reddit meme btw

He literally says "dis time we're innocent guys" which is a falsehood. It's one-sided reporting, also known as fake news

Poorest countries in South America are all capitalist.

This is never talked about.

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Two reasons basically:

1. Chávez government after the 2002 coup, started the process of creating new factories and manufacturing plants. And enhance the "basic" industries, the ones that extract the raw materials, except of course oil.

Using all that oil revenue funds. Good, the problem was that in that process the government had to depend on the national private construction sector and foreign technology. Because nothing comes out of nothing right?. This process was somehow corrupted by old practices like you know, you are a government official and you instead of undertaking a public bidding process, where you select the best bidder in relation to cost-time-quality of work, you just selected the companies that would give you a higher commission (personal gain).

The Venezuelan state, the public sector had never managed industries like this, intermediate industries, at this magnitude, it was always the private sector; so naturally it lacked experience and most of them never took off really, or were producing way below their capabilities. And the government thought it could take all from one bite. It was just too ambitious, too big in such a short time. I work in one of the state corporations that designed several of those factories, technically speaking, those new factories were state of the art stuff, structurally? fortresses, electrically the best brands ABB, Siemens, Schneider Electric, etc., the machinery etc… but we didn't had the "know how", the experience to run it. So there were a lot of bad decisions at managing levels.

2. In that context, the state couldn't just put a gun to the private sector and say: Work with me for half or get out of here. Because at the end of the day the private sector never lost their share of production, market, they never lost control, so they could blackmail everybody. Biggest example? Polar Industries, these guys hold the monopoly of food and beverages, ranging from corn flour, butter, bread, rice, pasta, mayo, cereals etc. They are the most destabilizing company of all, but because they hold such power, the state takes their company, and with inexperienced personnel (because former workers would probably leave out of loyalty to their boss) the state it's going to have trouble trying to keep production levels and avoid shortages, is not that easy you see.

Exactly.

Add to that Colombia and the merciless attack of our currency, that was a catalyst since 2012. Devaluation through the exchange of pesos-bolivares-dollars at arbitrary rates established by online web pages. Bleeding us form our reserves and dollars. Something that occurs in our border, a phenomena that the government never managed to control, because it doesn't follow economic theory behavior, it's just arbitrary, economic warfare tactics. The government mistake is trying to apply liberal economic policies to counter that. But that is like trying to kill a ghost with a gun.

It is talked about. When the subhuman burgers have to answer in regards to these countries, they blame it on socialism.

Interesting, so the large companies like polar foods are aware that if the government attempts to nationalize them they can cause so much pain to the populace, and political damage to the government by shutting down that the government isn't willing to take that path. So they can effectively hold the country hostage. Why were private companies allowed to get that big and centralized, especially in something vital like food? That's a massive point of failure.

And yah since 2002, 16 years isn't much time to build up a critical mass of necessary skills and resources to run a manufacturing sector. Was their any attempt to build up skills and education before that? Like was the government sponsoring people to go get engineering degrees in foreign countries and bring back their expertise? If they were really starting from scratch in 2002 its no wonder things failed.

Bolivia and Ecuador have similar socdem governments though. You should have never posted this mate. Like, you literally prove nothing.

nice b8

The crazy thing is that this line can work on people.
It comes across as balanced and the media has primed people to think that equals credible.

Evo Morales is possibly the most based wolrd leader in the Americas. Stop calling Bolivia capitalist you fucking liberal.

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This, also under his watch Bolivia has grown massively economically. Literacy increased 8% in 10 years, thay's up to full literacy,

yeah. I genuinely think Morales believes he can make Boliva a better and place and that he's working as hard possible to realize his dreams. But as a landlocked country where almost 50% of the total area is inhospitable mountains, it's hard not to be poor.

He is working on it, also the dispute in Chile may actually give them a port…
I think if a Corbyn gov was elected, one of the first things they should do is establish trade relations with Bolivia to help develop it.

I doubt the US would allow that though.

Tbh the US would be trying to stop an international court ruling agreeed to by Chile (they agreed because they think they can win, who knows who will), it would be like them trying to veto a treaty between India and Bangladesh over their conclave borders.

Okay, so I watched a part of it and noctied some bs right off the bat.

He was extraordinarily lenient on the US involvement in South America and he missed some coups they funded.

He also straIght up lied about US involvement in Venezuela.

Like when Pompeo threatened Regime change.

independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-venezuela-crisis-government-mike-pompeo-helping-install-new-remarks-a7859771.html

Or the leaked state department folder on Venezuela.

i.imgur.com/LsJItkw.jpg

Or how US based western NGOs funded the opposition.

telesurtv.net/english/analysis/NGOs-A-New-Face-of-Destabilization-in-Latin-America-20160605-0025.html

Or how the US funded the opposition as well, to the tune of 49 million dollars.

alwaght.com/en/News/97900/US-Spent-$49M-for-Venezuelan-Regime-Change-Since-2009-Report

I'm not disputing there's a lot of problems in Venezuela, but the perception and narrative here is totally fucking warped. I'd also highly dispute their freedom to assemble, the opposition protested everyday for nearly 6 months and were incredibly violent, including stealing a helicopter and tossing grenades at the supreme court. Could you even imagine what the response in the US would be if protestors stole a helicopter and threw grenades at the supreme court?

Now the opposition is talking about boycotting the upcoming elections altogether. Talk about undermining democracy. Just because you don't show up doesn't mean the system doesn't exist. If anyone anywhere takes election boycotts and gives them credence, you can undermine democracy anywhere.

They are literally the most heavily internationally monitored elections in world history. Go and read the reports from the Carter Center, the EU electoral commission agency, the Foundation for Democratic Advancement, the Council of Latin American Electoral Experts and more. There's a reason Jimmy Carter called the Venezuelan elections "the best in the world".

cartercenter.org/resources/pdfs/news/peace_publications/election_reports/venezuela-pre-election-rpt-2013.pdf

Pssst.. Those "sham elections" were ratified by the The Latin American Council of Electoral Experts, who had over 1300 observers there, mostly anti-chavista, and called them "clean and transparent" and found no large problems with them whatsoever. The opposition party that lost those elections has also conceded they were clean (after, of course, giving the US press a few days to spread the story that they weren't).

venezuelanalysis.com/news/13442

In reality, Venezuelans believe their country is the most democratic in the hemisphere when polled by a fanatically anti-chavista, neoliberal polling agency who, year after year, when they do this study, try to explain this embarrassing statistic away.

latinobarometro.org/latOnline.jsp

Only between 7 and 11% of Venezuelans say their country is undemocratic, and when you cross reference that with their class, it is only the displaced former elite who say that, with virtually no one from a middle class or working class background responding that way. Even those belonging to the opposition party, who keep getting dunked on year after year, give the country an average score of 5 out of 10 democratically.

pri.org/stories/2016-12-01/venezuelas-currency-value-depends-largely-one-guy-alabama-home-depot

Fuck sake John.

To be a fly on the wall in that writing room…

Neither of them were as plugged in to the US-centered global economy, and both of them have robust sectors providing basic goods for the domestic market.

Really, I'm not sure if it is laziness or malice. Mouthing liberal platitudes mixed with shallow jokes is a lot easier than actually digging into the issue and crafting appropriate jokes. The little podcast spoof was the closest they came, if only the entire episode was at least on that level…

Good take. All leftists should take this to heart; the failiure to truly grapple with this kind of economic warfare was a reason Syriza in Greece failed as painfully as it did. They did not have a plan or the stomach for guerilla economic warfare. These things should be studied in detail and plans drawn up to know what to start doing "the day after", for say o Labour victory in the UK. I hope they have secret study groups working on this.

He didn't say anything that was untrue. Maduro fucked up and you all need to take off your ideology goggles

Pure lobster ideology, eh?

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