What the fuck happened? this image originated here, yet I feel it no longer fits. When was the turning point...

what the fuck happened? this image originated here, yet I feel it no longer fits. When was the turning point? Was it when we reached out to reddit, or was it inevitable because communism was gaining traction on the internet?

Anyone else who was here from 2014-2015 who knows what I mean?

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what do you mean? Zig Forums seriously has an excess of anti-idpol threads. Then again I wasn't here back in 2015.

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What? This board is still strongly anti-idpol

OP - did you somehow stop posting here for a few months or what?

I've never met a black person who actually works. Hispanics are all right in this regard but they're not doing any jobs a white person couldn't do. And don't even get me started on Pajeets and Ahmeds.

International solidarity is the spookiest spook of all spooks and is just being used as a cudgel by porky to turn me into a minority in lands that my ancestors bled for. If you actually believe this shit you're a literal lemming.

It all starting immediately following the Occupy movement.

Younger people/newer people wouldn't remember it, but when the Occupy movement started to take off, the Bourgeois states of the west were terrified. This all came in the aftermath of 2008, before Idpol had fully infiltrated & alienated the majority of people from the left. I remember on the first day of the Occupy movement in NYC, there were armed (machine gun equipped) coastguard vessels patrolling the Hudson. Armed police everywhere in the city, and it now turns out they had snipers set up and ready to fire at a moments notice from day one.

IMO, this fear was delusional on the behalf of the bourgeois state - the United States came nowhere close to the kind of armed rebellion they were expecting. None the less, the fact that they were expecting it shows the power of a kind of general, broad mobilization of society. There has been an attempt to paint the Occupy movement as primarily middle class since then, and while a lot of the protestors were middle class/proffesionals/students, you regularly had working class people - construction workers, etc, show up in droves, in work uniform, to the occupation after work. After workplaces would come along and participate in the "general assemblies". This very broad, class-based mobilization *WORKED*, and the bourgeoisie was terrified.

One of the primary failiures of the Occupy movement was to centralize. If a revolutionary party either had have formed out of Occupy, or had have taken over, Occupy could have gone a lot further. In this sense, the Anarchists and Individualist-"leftists" played a huge role in ruining occupy. At pretty much any individual occupation, you could guarantee the Anarchist faction were ridden with cops. They were always big on idpol, were extremely divisive, and would drive ordinary people away.

The Bourgeois state saw the kind of power this lack of organization, and Identity politics had on dragging down and fracturing a movement into uselessness. They understand that hardcore idpol would alienate the vast majority of people - including people of oppressed demographics. So they embraced it, and spread it throughout the left via outright agents, and useful idiots to neuter the movement, and prevent the same kind of mass mobilization we saw during Occupy from happening again.

(User was banned for dhis bosd :DDDDD)

I don't think we ever reached over reddit, or at least I don't remember, I just remember them being butthurt about us and moaning. Problem here is too many newfags and redditors, which we had even then but it got worse.
No. It was always some kind of cancer. At least we don't have the shitty theorist of the month meme, fucking bookchin and brodiga made this board a special kind of cancer and unusable.

Not as it used to be.

nice strawman, it is just as bad as the original fascist one.


Doesn't look that way to me for multiple reasons. While there are a lot of people who are anti-idpol around there is an equal amount of pro-idpol people here (or at least it is how it seems to me) for a long while now, of course this is never to the extent of any Zig Forums strawman of "kill whitey" or all men are pigs, but I have seen it. Drama and people getting shit on for "misgendering" someone, accusations of conspiracy theory when you point out that there are lobbies in the EU that fund LGBT organizations & Ford funding the same in the USA. Although granted I've seen other spooky shit such as nazbols claiming muh gay free USSR when the stance towards homosexuality was pretty much the same in the west. Also call me racist/bigoted/whatever I don't give a fuck but mods starting to ban over insults & slurs seems shitty to me on a chan, it is Zig Forums tier. I think it has to do with the widening of the mod team (which I admit is a necessity since our user count skyrocketed)


Yes and no. I haven't posted for quite a long while and have been frequenting the board less and less in the past 2-3 years, not related to my issues with idpol though. Just got tired of seeing people say stupid shit, and I think it got stupider with time, and I think the board split just made shit infinitely worse. At first I didn't care but now I'm convinced that the BO/moderators should've remained neutral. Used to post regularly here, talk about organizing in my country, how shitty it is being a factory worker etc.


back to your hole creature

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You're that serbian guy? The tanky one that made some nice posts every now and then a couple of years ago?

bordiga posting was around since the beginning but it wasn't really big until after, when it started being spammed it was an absolute kind of cancer, same with bookchin. Every discussion or argument also basically devolved into screeching about not real socialism or about muh authoritarianism. It is less bad than that right now, but at the same time the board became somehow blander. I remember it being cancer even back in 2014-2015 but it was different, it was also comfier and there was legit interesting shit as well.

because literal trannys from reddit and twitter flocked here and brought along their idpol shit with them with which they justify their lifestyle choices of wearing a dress and cutting their dicks off instead of just shutting the fuck up because comrades shouldnt care about the identities of others but rather focus on class struggle as it is the most important struggle of all

also pol incel types post bait threads all the time which understandably leads to a reaction in the other direction for some users

yes, that one. Funnily enough no longer in SKOJ, I am actually working on my own organization at the moment, I've come a long way and Zig Forums had a huge role to play in this as well, and I am thankful for it.

comfiness is unironically one of the reasons i prefer Zig Forums

i used to read effort posts here. the only effort poster left is the guy in the DPRK thread but he's really busy now. if we get more effort posters and less shit about incels and liberal idpol and the same few topics (one that really gets posted a lot: "Is China Really Socialist?") then the board would rapidly improve.

i also feel like the split in the board caused the quality to go down. Zig Forums, despite having the meme bookchin kurdistan posters and anarchist kiddies, might have brought some effofrtposters away from this forum.

/marx/ is a great board but it's super slow.

also we need more OC memes again.

I agree with this but it is an unpopular opinion. Also enjoy your ban, knowing the mods.


I know this, I followed those old threads too. But that still doesn't answer what happened to the board itself, as this shit was around even then.

The thing is that anti-idpol used to just mean that class struggle was always primary, and other struggles such as gay rights etc. were (often) legitimate but should unite under the banner of class based politics rather than their identity based politics.
What this ended up meaning to places like /r/socialism was obviously that we were transphobic/racist/problematic and that sort of became our handle on the internet and what anti-idpol became associated with. Over time a portion of our population became believers of this strawman and thought they found a place among other cool guys that understand economics but also hate faggots.

/marx/ is a great infodump but I don't like it otherwise. I say this as someone who frequented it. I'd make effortposts but I've been banned a few too many times over stupid shit and it was basically the last straw. One time I pointed out how it is a stupid tactic going to strikes with a rainbow flag because it can alienate workers and got banned for it.

only people I've seen here with those views are unironic nazbols and "soc.conservative" lefties here, but they were never numerous as far as I remember. I think they are more numerous now even than they were before when this board was more anti idpol. The general issue I have with struggles such as gay rights in workers movements is that it can subvert a workers movement. This isn't exclusive to LGBT, this goes for nationalism, religion, gender, etc etc. but let me make my point
as I stated above, flying the rainbow flag during a protest can alienate workers, so why would you do this? It is bad tactics and it is bad theory. First off there are many proles who are homophobic and many who aren't still associate the rainbow flag with liberal politics, because in most countries LGBT organizations at the same time support liberal politics, secondly if you are going to a strike you ought to wave a flag of labor, if there are gay people at the protest and they are workers they should associate with the flag of labor. The LGBT flag is irrelevant in this context, because sexuality transcends class, a gay can be proletarian or bourgeois, so can a woman etc.
And you can't just say "oh well fuck the workers if they are homophobic", you have to go among people no matter how reactionary they are and try to organize them. This is why I think it is dangerous/bad to organize on any basis but the class basis. I've seen LGBT, nationalist and feminist politics erode socialist parties before in different ways, but it was always the case as soon as the basis of organization stopped being related to class.

also the biggest problem with idpol is individualization within a political movement, in my old party for an example at one point we had expelled all the gay people (11 people in total), but this wasn't based on their sexuality. The issue came from the fact that they were always present at a pride event or protest of some kind for LGBT rights but always absent from party business and strikes. They were in the party, but effectively only organized around the interests related to their identity. They were all workers too, so it was even worse when they wouldn't go to a strike to support their fellows. As long as idpol exists and it has existed for a very long time people will gravitate to it before other politics, and it will individualize any movement it exists in, with basically pockets within the movement only dedicated to the interests of their identity group.

Nice wall of text missing the point entirely.

I liked your posts, hope you are doing better. This place might get better, or not. Eitherway it seems more connected to the state of IB's and the internet left.

no, I saw what you wrote, I just wanted to give an example from my observations IRL.

From what I've seen internet boards tend to move in a downward spiral, so I wouldn't get my hopes up. Maybe eventually infinity infinity chan will pop up and the spiral will start anew, but we can't know.

I'm doing both better and worse. Have been working at a great job, but my flat feet have become a huge problem, and I might not be able to conduct physical labor in the future. This is horrible for me because I don't know anything else, I would have to learn a completely new set of skills from nothing and I hope I have the chance to.

I’ve been here since the inception of Zig Forums back when it was a cryptic network of underground anarchists that would read fightclub like it was the Bible, and larp that they were characters in watchdogs 2

This was a user survey apparently taken in April 2017.
hawaiileftreview.wordpress.com/2017/04/26/leftypol-user-survey/

The top 5 Tendencies are:
1. Anti-idpol
2. Anarcho-Communist
3. Libertarian Socialist
4. Libertarian Marxist
5. Classical Marxism –tied with– Communalism / Bookchin


Identity groups see left-wing organizations as a means to push their own agenda rather than uniting in solidarity with fellow workers.

Lmao. That description made me laugh out loud. Wonder if those posters are still around.

Well i guess i missed the party then

That just ruined my lunch, but.. the shoe seems to fit.

IDPOL has definitely delegitimized leftism, but another enemy worth note is paparrazi and entertainment news. By my estimation, you can blame the precariousness of American foreign policy on their complete lack of information regarding it in 24 hour news cycles. CNN, MSM and Fox News just promote two different flavors of uncompromising American Exceptionalism that is just enough to keep Americans absolutely clueless of who they are bombing and why. Considering they sit on enough WMD to destroy the world 1000 times over, and kill every living thing including the worms at the bottom of the sea I would say their inability to name the capitals of the countries they drone is a serious problem. Hell, it would be nice if they even understood the governments they hate and call terrorist or saboteurs. IDPOL and Paparrazi seem to be a method of control which results in a highly armed bourgeoisie whom have placed FAR TOO MUCH confidence in their ability to control the mob (for example the populist movement to elect Trump).

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Is idpol being used to distract us leftists by COINTELPRO or the CIA? I have a feeling that these users on twitter and reddit are suspicous.

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Trans-bi here.

For me, the line comes down to acknowledging capitalism actively enforces the myriad of problems which Idpol tries to respond to, and thus its removal would be an extremely significant step in addressing said concerns. I find that some people (closet liberals or newer socialists) get hung up on this, and argue that social issues must come first or else the oppression will just repeat itself. In part this has some validity (a society which is racist isn't going to magically remove all racist elements overnight), but their failure to put socialism at the forefront of their goals shows that they themselves are not internationalist, and thus makes them liable to fall into "reverse oppression".

As for more conservative elements, I think there should be some 'correction', but kicking them out/banning them is an over reaction unless they actively show that they don't care about treating people with fundamental respect, regardless of what they think about their gender/race/sexuality/trans shit. I can tolerate a Stalinist who believes I "need help" far more than some nazibol shithead who wants to gas me. There is already enough division in the left, and there is no need to drive it further.

Sidenote, I found the regular use of tranny to be a bit insulting at first, but the more I've been around I've gotten used to the fact that is the 'general word', and people who use it aren't even trying to be offensive most of the time. In general, it's an assholish thing to misgender people, and if you are genuinely confused, use they/them and other gender neutral terms. /end rant

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you raided us you idiot what did you think was going to happen

you guys posted thousands of bait threads on our boards.. obviously we were going to destroy you in return

It's far more likely it's PsyGroup social media businesses. The bourgeoisie just outsource to companies while Congress gives CIA and FBI a sense of legitimacy by assigning them tasks in the interest of their donors. Interesting article today about an Israeli social media psy firm that used social media promotions to Donald Trump's benefit. It's been under reported the amount of sleazy international interests which aren't Russia and campaigned in support for Trump. I'm beginning to think Russia is a sort of fall guy for neoliberals allowing Israel and Saudi Arabia to freely spy on American people. Either way, it says something about Hillary that all these foreign interests were in abject terror of her winning the election.

So basically, it's a bunch of professional social media marketers hired by billionaires from all over the world from Israel, Germany, Britain, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Canada and you name it bud. They all want a say in how Merica uses their military. We're essentially mercenaries to the highest bidder, and we're blaming Russia instead of focusing on why foreign countries were terrified of more neocon or neolib foreign policies.

Don't you know about /soyboys/?

that is a good observation, I think I agree with you pretty much. The main thing a lot of idpolers forget is that social relations lag behind economic relations but are dependent on them, and when you change the relations of society to the means of production it becomes a lot more difficult to discriminate against someone. You cannot eliminate racism trough simply seizing the MoP but it eliminates institutionalized racism, and racism can be done away with trough education.

Also a good thing to do is basically what the black panthers did, they were very crafty. They reached out to the black proletariat but organized only among class lines and even worked with white proles as well. I especially like that they used a name that is racially motivated to basically draw people in but then turned them class conscious, it was basically a racially motivated name to draw in black proles, next to all the other segregationist movements, but their praxis was class based.

Even with this, keep in mind Zig Forums and Zig Forums is still 1000000x more coherent and talkable than Zig Forums is ever going to be, so don't feel too bad

Ive been here before it was here, when Zig Forums was just lefty half/lit/. The anti-idpol stance, while good in that it has stopped a lot of the censorship and moralistic faggotry that has dominated too much of the left, has always been ill defined and debated. You have always had people here claiming shit like trans people existing is idpol, or that trying to preserve the nuclear family or the white race or whatever isn't idpol, and they have always outnumbered the actual tumblr tier opinions that boil down to "it is wrong to differentiate between class exploitation and symptoms of class exploitation like racism and gender roles" which is bullshit of course.

OP is probably a butthurt wh*Te boi who gets annoyed by the fact that race and stratification into racial castes is very relevant to a critique of and movement against capitalism and immedietely equates this to tumblr because we're not talking about a cozy ideal of a slumbering but ultimately unified working class. The working class is unified in its underlying material interests, sure, but the reality is one of tension between differing sectors with differing positions.

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/ch01.htm


This is very true for the general propagation of moralist liberalism. For America, and then the west in general, this was the point where popular moralist movements shifted from the domain of the theological christian right to the secular liberal "left".

Youre right about this though, it's not like it is contrary to wanting gay rights to point out that capitalism has nothing to lose and often a lot to gain by opening up new market subcultures, niche identities and alienating urbanite liberals from conservative poor. Supporting gay rights and condemning bourgeois support for it isnt any more contradictory than supporting the working class but condemning socdem reformism.


Also agree with this it's completely unnecessary and sets a dangerous precedent. Banning over explicit imperialism is good, but banning over R*java support was sectarian bullshit and if they start banning slurs that's an even worse sign.

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Shit im sorry i misread ur post

Stll noteworthy that only 27% ticked anti-idpol.

How is anti idpol a tendency? What a retarded survey

agreed.

lmao how did you make that leap in logic? Why is it even relevant that I am white? I come from eastern europe, I work 10 hours a day 6 hours a week and my country has been under slavery and occupation for 400 years by another race, I don't see how I am talking from some height or being butthurt about race, my biggest beef is with gender politics. I understand that America for an example is divided into a caste system among it's ethnicities even if the government tries to mask it, and it is glaringly racist when viewed from the outside. To me republicans look like covert racists and racists in denial, while the democrats look like "positive" racists to me. Basically using black people as justification for the various shady shit they do, being their mouthpiece while having nothing to do with the average african american. Also back to the caste system you mentioned.

from what it appears basically the economic roots of blacks is still felt in American society as they went from slavery into second rate citizens basically, banned from many common freedoms white americans enjoyed, which shaped their conditions even when they got 'equal' rights. Basically they got equal rights from the gutter, with poverty and an extremely shitty culture, because poverty and apartheid make for poor social development with ghettoization also playing a huge role.

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I never read much Marx but I was under the impression that the whole rivalry between Marxism and Not Socialism or even Fascism is just a fucking modern day meme and theres no real reason to think Marx would be so strongly opposed to it

Marx and Hitler would probably be bros if it wasn't for Hitler being a bit of a racist when it came to Hebrew fellows

mind you they were both racist as is to be expected of the time and hitler didnt hate all jews

I don't get the "anti idpol" shit, maybe it's just me but all the screencaps passed around by people here or other lefty boards talking about idpol, "why it's bad and what it is" never really stuck with me, I just don't get it, what even is "idpol"?
You anti idpol types seem to accept certain identities with relations to material conditions such as "I'm a prole and my labor is exploited by capitalists" but not other ones like "I was born a certain race and am treated differently because of it by certain people", and I don't understand why. Some would even object to me saying that which just furthers my confusion because people who call themselves anti idpol also seem to disagree on what it is which makes me wonder if you're not all just using "idpol" to mean whatever you personally don't like.
I'm not even saying I'm pro idpol or anti idpol I'm just saying I'm not even sure what either of those mean and ironically enough the concept of idpol doesn't seem to be concrete or definable in a way that applies consistently. Do I need to read Stirner or something?

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it shows

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Minuscule difference

Being a prole is not about "identity", nor is class consciousnesses. Class denotes people's relations to the MOP, in the case of workers that they do not have any control over the MOP and have to work for the owners of the MOP (porky) in return for a wage, creating an opening for the exploitation of surplus value. As such the ultimate aim of a conscious working class is to abolish itself. In our current society, the idea that one can own the MOP privatly and employ others working it, exploiting their surplus value, is enshrined into law. You can own a company, you can own stocks, you can hire people to work for you and pay them less than the value of their labour. Socialists seek to undo these existing social structures.

Let us contrast this for example with the position of gay people in today's society. Thanks to their successful efforts to legalize their position, there is currently no longer any legal sanction against any kind of expression of this identity. They can legally sleep with whomever they want, marry, own property together, and so on. As far as social structures are concerned, there is no real revolutionary project here. They wanted acceptance, and got it, legally enshrined. Now of course there are still people who are bigoted against them, and as such there is a constant ongoing battle for hearts and minds so to speak. But that's hardly a radical transformation of society. It is just the refining and bettering of a group's position in the current social structures.

Idpol is not integral to the radical socialist project, it is perfectly content to seek integration into the existing capitalist system. And this might well be a good thing for the people involved - I don't begrudge them wanting to emancipate themselves. Now, likely identarian struggles would be less vicious under socialism, as for example the threat of losing your job and livelihood after being outed or something, is lessened. But it has fuck all to do with socialism as such.

Communism is gaining track on the internet LOL! I dont want to hunt pets in my neighborhood like Venezuela or eat fucking grass like North Korea. Also those antifa guys at the rallies wouldnt be able to win a fight if it was against fucking children.

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Trotsky to the dying ukranian peasants - "You are starving? - This is not famine yet… When your women start eating their children then you may come and say,"we are starving"..

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What?
Also that Trotsky quote is completely fabricated.

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Based.

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The image wasn't actually originally made by Zig Forums, it came from a libertarian Zig Forumsyp, and you're a newfag for not remembering.

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/nuleftypol/ will try to refute this

Ban in 5…4…3…

That is another Zig Forums image, strawmanning both sides and thinking the war in Afghanistan in the 80s is the same shit as the eternal "quagmire" they are in now. Nuclear weapons were developed by the Soviet Union was for MAD so the United States would not use their weapons against them.

Stuff like this just pathetic and is playing into Zig Forums's bullshit macho LARPing, and a lot of the anti-"idpol" shit is as well. I don't think most people are anti-idpol for nefarious reasons, but if you're the kind of person who wouldn't have supported the Stonewall riots because it "divides the working class", you're a moron. Blacks women and trans people aren't going to sit around while the police fucking kill and beat them, and no-one should be made to feel excluded from the left for supporting them in that.

I'm really sick and fucking tired of trannies. Homosexuals at least are a significant minority and being identified as being part of another race is an immutable fact you can't hide with make-up, surgery, and a particular way of dressing.

These are the same arguments that idpols dredge up endlessly.
Oh? Women are being disproportionately killed by police? Lets seem some evidence for this that doesn't simultaneously contradict the claims about trannies and black people.

When "support" means "insist everyone drop what they are doing and do whatever these racial nationalists order you to do", then they need a swift boot up the arse tout suite.

Well gee, I don't know, lets what the British police are up to:
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/10/victims-child-abuse-gangs-race-religion

Then you've got the bougie's protecting people like Jimmy Saville and Weinstein, Channel 4 making poverty porn that portrays working class mothers as lazy scroungers, there's a lot of struggles women still have to go through.

You're just making shit up. If you seriously would've sat there and told the Stonewall rioters to shut up and just put up with police attacking them in their squats, then you're not a leftist, you're just a fucking guy who's only far-left because he wants to be le cool edgy strongman. Leftism is built on empathy and solidarity for the oppressed, not fucking trying to be cool and macho.

So, unable to provide evidence for the specific claim you made, you've fallen back on shaming and appeals to empathy; the hallmark of the liberal feminist wrecker. I'd have had more respect for you if you'd just admit you were baiting. Ta-ta.

Unable to find evidence? What the fuck are you on about, I just showed you a case of the police ignoring thousands of working class girls being abused and sometimes arresting them because they were abused.

I don't want to talk to you, goalpost shifter. Ta-ta.

no it isn't you fucking virtue signaling liberal, it is about the collective ownership of the means of production. I shit on your oppression narrative, LGBT orgs pushing liberal agendas are a bigger enemy to me (and socialism) than chauvinist proles.

Don't ever go twitter, comrade. There are endless numbers of trannies and LGBT types who spend most of their time arguing about muh gender.

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terrible, go play red Zig Forums elsewhere

Then why don't you fucking run along and play with Ben Shapiro and Andrew Anglin, your true "comrades"? Guevara would spit in your face.

Oh look, once again the red liberals instantly start screaming "nazi!" at anyone who doesn't want to drop everything to focus on a bunch of oddballs who get traumatized when people won't co-operate with their cosplaying.

It's fucking INSANE how many ML types are trannies, heck, 50% of twitter "leftists" are trannies yet these people make up like 0.3% of the population. What attracts these freaks to us?

That lot are hilarious. The idiots proclaim that trannies are not perverted men with oddball fetishes then present clowns like Horny Thorney as their voice.

tranny ML is one of the most pervasive combinations i've seen on twitter for some godforsaken reason

Once again red/pol/ starts screaming "liberals" at anyone who doesn't gree with their reactionary bullshit.

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I never use twitter for a bunch of reasons.

Now I don't know if it is just me, but if there is any non-gen z future liberals here that remembers when Twitter started it felt like a forced meme. It grew out of nowhere, even Facebook felt like it grew organically.

The revolution is not going be done by a mass movement being mindful of fucking pronous, liberal. All LGBT shit is not equivalent to racial oppresion.

Oh really? And what the fuck have you done recently for revolution stretch armstrong?

Educated a dumb red liberal.

You are a red liberal. These are your buddies. And Rubin.

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I already did make a account and holy shit
Most of them are literally the fucking
stereotypes that Zig Forumstypes keep making fun of.Ugly ass idpol lgbtqap freaks that are LARPing as revolutionaries. I regret logging in sometimes

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Don't be bothered. Twitter was literally made for attention-whoring.

Narcissism, in my opinion.

It's not that all trans people or MLs are narcissists. It's more the fact that narcissists are attracted to the trans identity and edgy politics because it enables them to get more attention.

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makes sense with the sense of individualism that is emphasized in the social media, they cling to idpol through the need to be "more unique".

Narcissism is almost a good trait tho in the capitalist self-interest model of economic incentive.

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speaking personally: I realised how most vocally "anti idpol" posters were imageboard faggots who wanted to keep their teenage white boy idpol while pretending it was a position of apathy rather than uncritical acceptance of culture-war nonsense. The kind of people who want to avoid debates on transgenderism not because it's a stupid timesink debate that benefits nobody on this board, but because they think banning gender reassignment is OBVIOUSLY the solution and if you disagree you're an SJW and should fuck off back to reddit, what do you mean this is idpol and taking a position no it's just common sense haha.
I also realised most imageboard users use similar lazy methods to find where your opinions stand on issues. Throw out a "problematic" here, an um sweaty x there, and the fucking morons will actually believe you're from Tumblr, which makes sucker punching them with unexpected angles and behaviours all the easier. (That sounds too edgy, most of the time it was just leveraging small amounts of text to make them type big walls of text.)

I'd say what's needed is not anti-idpol (inevitably becomes idpol, i watched a sonic video about deconstructionism and the idpol-anti-idpol binary will ALWAYS subvert itself.) but "a-idpol", to be apathetic and uninvested, but that's not realistically possible because people are shits.


incessantly typing ">she" isn't big, funny or clever, no matter how much imageboards have rote trained people to do it.


see look at this guy, don't be him. muh trannies muh trannies muh trannies, it never fucking stops. (but remember, this isn't anti-trans idpol it's just common sense haha don't expect me to shut up haha.)


neither, it just appeals to our instincts.
idpol is great for having constant fucking arguments over that never get resolved, where you can take a clear black and white (HAHAHA) stance on an issue. Love blacks, hate blacks, love trannies, hate trannies, am a woman, hate women in videogames. Make an article saying we should kill all white men and watch the angry white people click the article and spam the comments section as that sweet sweet ad money flows in.

It's worked for British tabloids for decades but it's finally obliterated public discourse now that it's been unleashed onto the internet. Every fucker feels the need to have opinions on these things, you can't just ignore them, because it's all everyone's ever talking about, all everyone's ever ranting about.

The primary weakness of the left is that the left is composed primarily of human beings.


GOOD post.


Ultimately most forms of idpol seek acceptance into the current state of things, rather than to change it.
"I'm a prole and I want there to be no more shareholders or CEOs and for us to produce on the basis of need" vs "I'm a feminist and I want there to be more women CEOs to produce more juiceros."


idpol


Oh look, once again Dr. Idpol starts screaming "liberals!" at anyone who doesn't want to drop anything to babble about how the trannies are going to abolish indoor plumbing.

You are burying the lead here.

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Being a prole is not an identity. The goal of proles is to stop being proles. The goal of blacks or gays is to have the same rights as whites or straights.

Being a prole is defined by your position, like being a slave. You want to stop being a slave. Being gay is not defined by your position, but by something inherent to you. You dont want to stop being that, you want that thing to be accepted.

The mods started handing out month-long bans to people who criticized feminism while letting liberals who came here from reddit and twitter run free.

Liberals have utterly co-opted leftism and many social climbing parasites who fancy themselves leftists welcomed those liberals with open arms.

Self-contradiction
Followed by

Hardly surprising someone who thinks Sweden is socialism would be unable to see ontological disagreement and objections over the permanent surgical modification of children.

oh gee we've got a fucking telepath here, he knows what i'm thinking without even asking me. fucking hell, don't let this guy guess your card!
shame he's fucking SHIT at telepathy because he knows wrong and thinks he can smear over it with the word "ontological" and a glance around the room to see if people think he's cool for using a word he heard zizek say yet.


if i threw it into a canal somebody might notice
the best part is i didn't even make it up, it's not even a made up tangent, it's an actual thing: youtube.com/watch?v=8F5PUEbCRQI

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See

Whoever runs this board is the #1 reason it's turned into another liberal shithole.

Liking Rosa doesn't make you a succdem tbh.

shitting on transgender is idpol, faggot

One of them got pissed at me because I said I didn't care about trans representation in media, and thought it was a side issue that long term would never be resolved under capitalism. Didn't go over well. He screeched I was a brocialist, then spammed die cis scum.
Like, I'm willing to work with these people, but if that's the shit I've got to put up with, fuck it. Let them come to us, not the other way around.

Idpol is claiming that "man" and "woman" are behavioral stereotypes rather than physiological states. That's what trannies do, faggot. Go back.

I can understand arguing that LGBT stuff and feminism can be divisive and distractions from the more important issues but I feel the reaction against it on this board has, obviously, lead to some reactionary ideas.

Almost every single thread involving anything even mildly to do with gays or trans people will have that one guy posting that LGBT is somehow a fascist concept or that trans people are somehow a serious problem. When questioned why this person believes this they'll just fucking vanish to do it again the next day.

Class is essential but there's literally no good reason to be dicks to women, trans people or gays.

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Nah, I remember.
Hardly anyone I knew used twitter. First time I heard of it was from some trendy scum fuck liberal that that my little sister was friends with.