He judges groups on their hive mind instead of their individual values when they are packed on and ready for action as...

No I meant that you should never analyze groups(the correct term is more than two individuals at time MTTIAT's) as having goal oriented purpose but rather a collective of individuals just being in a common place.

Not really, people here love to lash on people they don't like and group them in different categories while specifically favoring other groups.

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Click the catalog button and see how many threads are made where people lump MTTIAT's a groups.
There are no classes when every single person is an individual, how much more simplified than that do I have to say it.

Whare are the proofs billy?

Individuals can still be grouped together out of their common rational intrest. You mean that a bunch of individuals that are owners of property have no common intrest in comparision to those that work that proprty?

There are numerous proofs, either you can call it being predetermined on existing as an unique human being, subjective consciousness or the randomisation of our environment or even all at once.

I don't think you understand what these words mean.

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Yes you fucking idiot two different individuals can agree on something. Don't ignore the point, tell me, if you have two different idividuals that both own a factory is it not in both of their rational self intrest to ensure that they get more out of those that work their factory? Tell me, is it not in the rational self intrest of those that work those factories to all ensure together that they benefit as much out of their work as possible?

Class is about an individual's relation the the means of production, as owner, or as someone that needs to sell their labor power.

I don't even think it makes sense to think of class relations solely as relations between "groups of people." They're relations between interests at work within the capitalist system. The two of them may be present in the same individual in different gradations. You might depend on a wage job for most of your income, yet still have some investments going.

Not only that but an individual's interests are self centered and can never be equally shared no matter what his goal or actions are.

Its not their both, its that of every one of them being individuals

Again, another meme. Would have gotten more intelligent replies on cancerchan's /b/

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wew lad

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I don't see any point, I struggle reading your post because I'm not sure if you're just pretending to be retarded or actually are.

Do you really think there is literally no difference between the intrest of masters and the intrest of slaves because they are just individuals?

Maybe "similarity" isn't the right way to frame it. As owners of the means of production capitalists stand in a certain relation to the people operating them. This of course doesn't immediately unite either of the groups, since the means of production concerned are distinct from one another. In fact, their interests are often contradictory, giving rise to capitalist competition. It is only the subsequent identification of value in conspiring with one another, and potentially the strength of solidarity, that gives them their unified class character.

Ok this is my last reply to you as you have a reading disability. What I said is that every single one of them have completely different goal, not that there is no difference, there is and it is in ever single individual, especially if you remove social constructions and superstitions.

So there are classes in our society unless you ignore it, thank you.

Yes that is being individuals and everything stops there.
Altered individuals who don't act on their will are still not groups and can still break from the alteration

Ahhh

how fucking stupid are you

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what is a company.
what is "capitalists who own the means of production who seek to grow their profits"

are you saying that the bourgouise have absolutely nothing in common and aren't guided by increasing their profits at the expense of the proletariat?

capitalism is private ownership over the means of production, when you have private ownership over the means of production those who inherited sed means use their money to alter political policy, lower their own taxes, and harm workers rights and social causes that seek to re-organize our mode of production to become more fair. They do not want a society where the harder you work the more you make, where everyone has a right to a job, ect. because that would harm their own bourgouise .1% interests/lifestyle.

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Being a pussy is your own fault, is there someone physically stopping you from killing them, a lot of them go even without bodyguards. If you're not ready to die for your beliefs you're a lesser individual(subhuman).

op is a genius you guys, who figured it all out. the bourgouise aren't real

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are you fucking retarded?

alright dude you are obviously a dumb faggot with shit brains, maybe do the slightest bit of research on what it is you are criticizing before trying to "own de leftists"

ignore him he's probably just a little kid

bourgeois r spooks

go to bed

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Sickening

You're a smart gu

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What is a leftists, like I said already there are only individuals.

When you was exposed as a terrible debater you've given up and gone to the supernatural role of being a psychic?

the fuck are you talking about

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here you go buddy,
youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg

now you will have a better understanding of bourgouise and the perils of private ownership over the means of production and how this leads to a class based society where the "owners" control the power and wealth and hope to keep it that way since it is in their best interest to exploit workers as much as physically possible

The modern condition.

lol. i can't even tell if you are trolling or not.

is this the power of libertarian atheist "debaters"?

OP is 13

since when have I advocated for mass immigration
are you 10

Liberals = marxists everyone to the left of center is a communist and centrists and everyone else that are non conservatives/libertarians are socialists btw stop thinking of things as groups lol

Start from the beginning of the thread and read it really slowly and try to understand what every single word means, after that you can make a post if you have anything insightful to say, you can't comprehend what I'm talking about yet.

You still haven't opposed me in any way.

Then you're note even born yet.

You don't need to approve it, its happening whatever you want it or not.

How does it feel to be this stupid, must be a blissful existence.

bad b8 2/10

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'twas a joke

Ebin pomo take

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heh

"you can't comprehend what I'm talking about yet."
do you think you're some sort of fucking philosopher?
you have to be trolling, I can't believe anyone is this full of himself
we've done it several times, dummy
you can remove the conditions that lead to this constant emigration in the first place
go to the reading thread if you're not just fucking with us, read a book

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It is in an individuals interest to support a group that supports their own interests and there by the group acts as an extension of each individual in it. There is no "hive mind", the group has an idea of what their interests are and each individual acts as part of the group to further their own interests and therefore, each individual that is part of a nazi group, we can judge as a nazi because he explicitly furthers nazi ideals.
OP btfo::DDDDDD

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"How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real"-the thread

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IQ >500

You're right. Those packs are lead by an unseen individual. Not the human kind either. All the same though, they believe it's what they are, otherwise they wouldn't listen to it when it tugs at them.

This is very upsetting and I don't care if it was an act. Such vulgar displays does nothing good for no one.