Dubcek'ists / Eurocoms

There is also a reason why the KSČM is still pretty damn popular for a CP in a western liberal democracy.

Also, has anyone seen pic related movie? Is it good?

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Except the people protesting in the Prague Spring didn't question the market reforms, but rather wanted them to go even further and reinstate literal fucking capitalism in Czechoslovakia. Take your free speech fetishism to liberalpol.

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Dubcek was Slobodan Milosevic before Slobodan Milosevic. He wanted to pass privatization in just the same way. Yet we don't see here Slobodan Milosevic being martyred or being called a liberator, by everyone he is literally hailed as a traitor to socialism. Their economic policies were literally the same.

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How many layers of trotskyism are you on?

look mom I can do it too

the actions undertaken by the USSR are irrelevant to my point, the liberalization Dubcek carried out happened, this is irrefutable. Czechslovakia was the most democratic eastern bloc state up to the soviet intervention, and the intervention itself was carried out only due to the privatization being accomplished, Dubceks entire policy was born of opportunism. They wanted trade with the west and threw socialism under the bus for that. Romania basically left the soviet sphere after prague spring, yet there was no intervention because they didn't do a full reversion into capitalism (despite Romania being shitty as it was due to other reasons)

The USSR ought to be criticized because opportunists like Dubcek only ever got into power because of Hruschevs destalinization of the eastern bloc. There would've likely been no prague spring and no hungarian revolt if Hruschev didn't do what he did.

4/10 attempt. You are on right part comrade, but this meme is perfect when you don't add insults other person did not use, I never called you "fascist" or that you "love hitler". What I would call you is probably "conservative reactionary", "shitty leftist" or "smuggy red-liberal western kid". You can try again, we have enough time.

It's funny that you call Dubček "opportunist". If you'd also mention that "all three classes - farmer class, labourer class and working intelligence" were "betrayed" by Dubček, you'd sound just like opportunists which shittalked Dubček after Soviet intervention.

I agree that Dubček's economic policy sound a little dengish, abolishing institutions which dictate production if favour of "mere" overseeing MOP by party can be seen as regressive step. I, person which loves comrade Cockshott's books, would too be very sceptical about it. You are however forgetting that Marxists are not against markets because of some kind of reactionary hatred towards people which praise them, or because of some mystical shit which happens when you abolish them. Markets are "bad" because they prevent proletarians from getting all they produce - yet this Dubček's move allowed him raising wages by more than 10%, while prices of products remained the same. Don't forget that actual production provides, not markets or planners, and when country (such as ČSSR at that time) don't have enough computing power to make it efficient, it's not in interest of people to stick to processes just because high USSR clergy party members decide that this is path to the true full communism. There is also nothing wrong with trade with the rest of the world. Having access to resources of rest of the world is always benefit to the people.

Dubček's famous "slogan" was that "party should not rule the people, but serve them". Transformation of police state (state where policemen can do anything except for things forbidden to them by law and citizens can not do anything except for things allowed for them by law) to more libertarian state for which I can not find proper english term where enforcers of state power have strictly defined privileges, and people can do anything except for forbidden stuff, was very popular thing which greatly improved people's lives. When it comes to politics, loosening laws to create new parties had a bad impact - socdem party started to form. On other hand, people were free to create any party with big enough popular support and whenever it would have been stalinist, maoist, cybernetic or anarchist party - if it would have gotten big enough popular support communist party would must listen to it's demands.

tl;dr: Dubček was popular because he wanted to improve people lives, stop police harassment and was massive non-sectarian leftist.

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Good fucking post user.

nice projections, yet I never said external trade is bad nor that markets are literally Hitler, for an example Cuba today has quite a large market sector and even the DPRK yet this is due to having no larger socialist industrial base, like the USSR was in the past. But the reality was that at the time the USSR exported a large amount of it's production to the socialist bloc so it would advance economically. Dubceks actions weren't opportunistic because he wanted trade, they were opportunistic because he was undermining the wider socialist bloc only so he could trade with Germany. The issues in the Czechslovak economy themselves came from the revisionist economic policies that Hruschev pressured the rest of the eastern bloc into, and the measures undertaken by Dubcek was nothing but populism. He wanted a quick fix to the issues of the socialist system by liberalizing his economy and by liberalizing the state, but we have seen historically that this in the long term has lead to a downpour of living standards and the restoration of capitalism. Do you think the Czech and the Slovaks are better off now than they were then? That must be why there is such rampant prostitution and the sex industry in Czechia, yet the result of Dubcheks liberalization are what we see today in these countries as the velvet revolution is his legacy, and he supported the transition to capitalism to his death. It is the same how the Slovenians in Yugoslavia wanted autonomy so they could trade with Germany, then cried oppression when the rest of the commonwealth wouldn't have it and broke off. Always look at the economic root of every political decision and you will find your answer. It is not like Dubcek was implementing worker self management so that you can argue he was giving people muh freedoms :DDDD he was simply extending the right to open private property. And what happens then? the richest in society, who were the nomenklatura, overtake the factories, some craftsmen fullfil their petty-bourgeois ambitions and open up little shops, and you open up your country for foreign investment so large foreign capital can exploit your workers. This "liberalization" was the economic enslavement of workers to the institution of private property, even the state production was turned around into the production of consumer goods simply because it is more profitable. I shit on your Dubchek and on his rainbow colored privatization, he was only Sloba with a smiling face, and I piss on you for thinking I support Brezhnevs Bukharinism, like I have not read Cockshott.

pic very related, cafe loafers should be rehabilitated not by meds your psychologist prescribed (you), but by hard work at factory or in the field
Yes, CCCP was most important trade partner for ČSSR, but where is an argument?
Breaking news! Dubček sacrificed socialism for deodorants and jeans!
One would expect that people's democracy would get some populist politicians at least once a while.
Shame that we won't see how would it turn out in state where such important decision have to get approval of general public, especially when ">lel, gommie, gorilions" would simply not be an argument.
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Since when is breaking a state (as Slovenians wanted to) same as bettering foreign relation by sovereign state?
What should have he done? Made muh coops? And yes, being able to publicly criticize goverment is a valuable freedom, don't tell me you never done that.
But that was literally the reality before he got in power. "most equal" party members and their friends got comfy leading positions in managing factories, and protesting against that resulted into police intervention.
Do you realize that saying that publicly could give you really hard time withou Dubček's reforms? If you'd have strong political opinions you could easily loose privilege of training with weapon and your consript years would be longer, consisting of doing hard labour and you could be denied university education. Sure, working with shovel or in factory didn't mean horrible working conditions, but it was not preferable.

tl;dr: You are nothing more than autistically screeching reactionary ignoring the fact that socialist states failed because nomenklatura realized capitalism would offer them comfy lives without responsibilities and people were not given enough legislative power to maintain the revolution.

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Read Critique of the Gotha Programme.

Breznev was weak capitalist faggot. They should have immediately recognised filthy imperialist agents and send them to gulags.