Chris Hedges goes full ☭TANKIE☭, leaves the Green Party over prostitution policy

Pointing out fact.

it's just a slightly spicier socdem, fuck off

What did he mean by this?

Okay next ur gonna day we should get rid of child labor laws since “everyone is exploited by capital anyway lul”

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this. making something illegal won't stop it. Better that its protected than run underground

Literally fucking kill yourself right fucking now.

So per stats, most blackies are criminals, am I right?

Why? It brings me pleasure to know my existence makes you autistically screech.

A large portion of crime is commited by blacks, in the U.S. Correct. The vast majority of sex workers are exploited by white men.

i'd rather you go see a hangman instead

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It brings ME pleasure to know that your life is a worthless sack of trash and that your existence only serve to deplete the resource of the succ dem hellhole you live in.

fuck Christians, tbh

I have a job and give back to society. I hope you one day can say the same, comrade.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I have a GF. I hope you one day can say the same, nazi.

lol youve never had sex

I do.

I hope so too, but I'm not a nazi.

That is correct.

This board should really learn to acknowledge this. I know it's a really liberal argument to make, but legalizing things does really help you get a handle on them. Get all sex workers to register themselves and tax the shit out of it. It'll do a lot more good than pushing them underground. That's the best we can do until we replace money with cybernetic planning.

And stats of that?

(me)
I forgot to say, enforce worker protections. That's the most important part. Sex workers are subject to all kinds of abuse. We could stop that if we make their practice legitimate. Maybe we even mandate sex work to be done by worker-owned enterprises. If that worked it would be brilliant. No more pimps altogether.

holy fucking shit lol this board is complete joke status

More like the modern left is complete joke status

moralizing about sex work isn't the same as helping sex workers

They did that in New Zealand and iirc what happened was a minority of (white) prostitutes were included in the scheme, while there was a major influx of human trafficked prostitutes from east Asia, who were of course excluded from the scheme.

The nordic model preforms better in this regard.

I don't know everything there is to know about prostitution, but from my understanding there is a pattern where places that legalize prostitution also become hotbeds of human trafficking. As in you'll find a lot more sex-trafficking victims in supposedly "legal-and-safe" places like Amsterdam than in Stockholm. That stuff makes me really sceptical of the whole legalization advocacy.

Seems like weird priorities for a supposed ☭TANKIE☭.

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So, we reduce the amounts of deadly accidents of children doing child labor by legalizing child labor? Criminalizing it only pushes it underground. So, by legalizing it we can regulate it better and outlaw the dangerous types of child labor. However, come to think of it, doesn't outlawing the dangerous types of child labor only push these activities underground? So we should allow these as well, to protect the children…

Hedges is right.

Sure, Nazi.
We've all seen you post under that flag.

Legalizing the sex trade makes life easier for sex traffickers. People arguing for legalizing prostitution are arguing for more slavery and rape. Red liberals need to leave.

In what way

In that it makes it easier for them to operate brothels filled with enslaved women.

How do you figure

In that it is easier to run a brothel if brothels are legal. Not very clever, are you?

Not that poster, but there is empirical evidence in places such as New Zealand & Amsterdam, as & have pointed out. It's not really difficult to see how the legalization & regulation argument applies differently to something such as sex work given the history of such and the fact that people aren't commodities. It's pretty clear to see that if brothels are legalized, fundamentally all you're doing is giving legitimacy to gangs & pimps who were previously already offering the same services just as part of a black market, since the amount of competition provided within the sex work industry is minimal based on various factors. If you understand how cheap migrant labour functions on principle, it's really not difficult to make the connection, except in this case they quite literally own these women & children as slaves in addition to taking advantage of their precarious non-citizen status. It's very telling that the majority of those who advocate for this kind of reform (not saying that reform itself in this instance is useless) are often not actually involved with the reality of sex work for the majority of women and are instead mostly self-employed types.

STATE OWNED BROTHELS ONLY
MADE BY SOCDEM GANG

smh don't bother, everyone knows the incelshit is entirely comprised of Zig Forumsyps like you

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I'm just not convinced by your simplistic tautology. "It makes things easier for them by making things easier for them." Stunning insight, cumrag.

oh that was a fun video
with the guy trying for a few minutes to rip the cardboard while being made fun of by libs
and then walking of with it instead

topkek

Under a socialist mode of production, I would be fine with some forms of child labour, I think the real problem is the whole lack of safety standards (children working in dangerous factories) before the labour reforms left a sour taste in everyone's mouths. But I don't really see the problem with going to an office and teaching a 14 year old sitting next to me how to code so we can work together.

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This is all this is about in the end, bourgeois moralism. Sex work is work.

Lenin is correct, unionising the whores is degenerate. Get them into productive work.

Prostitution is dangerous *because* it's illegal, you retard.
The liberal feminist solution to prostitution is a delusional belief in a puritanical sexless society.

So in my contry prostitution is legal and things are pretty much the same as america( i think) tbh

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I used to support legalization of prostitution but now I'm with Chris. It is predatory of male vulnerability and we have the technological solution to filling the male need for sex in new sophisticated sex robots.

This debate isn't the equivalent to the weed legalization debate because what's being commodified and traffic is humans, not just human's time.

Pic related, a sex doll on the market now.

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fucking moralfags

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Anti-sex work is a bad position that ends up being reactionary. It in no way reduces it, but instead pushes it underground, where the public has no view or say over how it is handled. As Marx noted on religion, that it is an innate reality of capital, so is religion. State-mandated atheism serves only to empower it. Legalising sex work or at least tolerating it is much better, as then you can facilitate transparency and help women leave the sex industry gradually through NGO or even State-funded help, whereas in illegality it will flourish which is worse for women, and the situation itself will also worsen inherently behind closed curtains, making it worsen even more. No woman wants to have to fuck and swallow just to survive, and yet they all come to do it out of destitution and/or alienation.

I wonder why you even like posting here, since I've never seen you make a post about anything not inceldom-related. Either that or you turn your trip off whenever you want to post about something else.

Criminalization de facto supports a police state. People arguing for more crimes are arguing for the capitalist state to make more criminals. Red liberals need to leave.

How are they "liberals" if they support a prostitution ban?

"Radical" feminists and Christian conservatives have supported prostitution bans for ages.

You can't abolish sex work without guaranteed employment.

Legalization entails regulations.

Reminder that supporting legalization means supporting human trafficking.

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X12001453

Dem "sex-positive" liberal feminists doe.

Explain whores in China????????

can someone explain the purpose of altering the prostitution law when escorts are already legal?

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Make is super legal.

Makes it easier to get underaged girls and/or bring them in from outside the country.

Wouldn't legal prostitution make illegal underage prostitution harder to do?

come again?

There'd be legal brothels in your city.

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But is a prostitute who keeps all the money, who owns her own capital, herself, really being exploited by her clients? Isn't the problem wage-prostitution, not self-owned or cooperative prostitution?

that's what strip clubs are

You could have some slick STD checking system if it was legal.

Prostitutes aren't engaged with capital or productive work. A self-employed cam girl wouldn't be exploited as there is no surplus value to extract and their labour isn't turned into capital (unlike a chef in a hotel to use Marx's example). There is no productive work as the whore's vagina isn't a commodity as it doesn't stand independently of them.

Yeah, it doesn't fall under productive work in the Marxian sense. So of course, there would be no prostitution under socialism.

Marx wasn't omniscient ya know. Later writers and Marxist feminists have argued the opposite.
libcom.org/library/sex-work-sex-work-marxian-take

Lol what. How is it not productive? The commodity (sex) is something which is consumed as the act is being performed.
Maybe I'm not being an 'orthodox marxist' here but to give an example: A theater owner hires a singer to perform, no recordings are made. Now there may not be a commodity made at any point which is then consumed at a later date but surplus value is still accrued by the theater owner through tickets sales. The performance, despite it not creating a physical commodity, still acts like one by creating surplus value. The relations between performer/worker and the theater-owner/capitalist are identical; performer sells their labour to the capitalist, the commodity/performance is purchased by theater goers and the performer receives a fraction of the value created.

This logic is really odd as well and the outcome of this 'logic' should make it apparent your logic isn't working. I'll try and explain: Why wouldn't prostitution exist in a socialist world? Yes you can make the argument that people will stop being so alienated from each other, etc etc but I see no reason why, with the abolition of capitalism, everyone instantly starts boning each other to their gonads content. People are going to want sex and will be unable to get it 'normally' and there will be people perfectly willing, and happy, to get labour-vouchers/whatever in return for sex.

Libfems love "sex work." What the fuck are you talking about?
Anti-prostitution views from the left are most commonly heard from MLs and radfems.

And your post is nirvana fallacy bullshit anyway. People will always be horny, sure. That's still not an excuse for commodifying sex.

READ COCKSHOTT

paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2017/12/01/socialists-can-never-support-prostitution/

does supporting workers rights mean you support the commodification of their labor? because when people on the left talk about supporting sex work all they mean is support the workers themselves from abuse, no serious socialist wants continued economic exploitation.

This isn't a binary choice. Look up the Nordic Model.
In the same way you can support coal miners' rights while simultaneously pushing for renewable energy, you can guarantee prostitutes basic human dignity without allowing their punters to set up a storefront.

unprincipled moralizing faggot

anyway
what does that even mean in itself and how does it even apply to this context?

dont even answer

Labour Vouchers are non-circulatory & non-transferrable though so you wouldn't be able to "earn" them from someone else by agreeing to have sex with them, so really you'd require your client to buy things for you with their own labour vouchers gained through productive work (unproductive doesn't mean what you think it means), at which point it's just an agreement between 2 individuals and there isn't really any need to stop that. Abolition of prostitution is about the removal of the underlying conditions that neccessitate it for people who cannot/choose not to labour for a wage as opposed to /banning/ it through some kind of legal apparatus. Of course there are arguments that sex workers would still be considered socially neccessary (similarly to how some countries provide sex services for the disabled under capitalism) but that would be a public service.

Nice word salad.

It's pretty basic socdem, nothing especially spicy about it.

It's the opposite. There are studies about it.

China is morally bankrupt. This is not a very hard point to process.

Prostitution is immoral,alienating and atomizing towards society. There is literally no reason to not abolish it. I stand with my Scandinavian comrades with this issue.

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>>>Zig Forums

and there are other studies that say the opposite. Meanwhile actual sex workers almost unanimously favor decriminalization.

Hmmmmm

I don't really see the point of the U.S. Green Party.

this is your brain on moralism

Christcom, plox.

ackshully prostitutes are lumpenprole

read marx

I can't believe how many people here haven't even read the Communist Manifesto.

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Are sex workers (if we allow that they are workers indeed) important from a revolutionary perspective?
I doubt these theological debates about whether prostitution should be legal or not (as if revolutionary parties had any say in this anyway) are useful at all. Maybe I'm wrong tho.
If we claim that wage labour is wage slavery, we cannot say prostitution isn't rape. Making prostitution tolerable for liberals in the us is just managing capitalism.
I think prostitution fits liberal ideology.
How can we use prostitution to fight capitalism?