What's the best way to get nerdy techies and futurist types to wake the fuck up and realize communism is the next step...

What's the best way to get nerdy techies and futurist types to wake the fuck up and realize communism is the next step of human evolution.

Full automation is coming, and unless the proletariat owns the means of production all that it will lead to is everyone being out of a job and homeless, or a hellworld society where the bourgouise plan for people to have wage-slave jobs just for the sake of having a job when a machine could easily do it for them.

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Who cares. Let them LARP in peace.

Full automation isn't coming. Total cargo cult, just add perspective for doom cult.
Techfags don't need to be convinced of anything. They can choose to be socialists or continue being stupid. No real special approach is needed, and it's not like they are some important group.

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Yeah I remember that Lenin quote now.
"The first goal of Socialism is to recruit as many of OPs retarded friends as possible so he can socially own the means of friendship".
People that think technology is the end all be all of society are just another flavor or Capitalism. They are not special in any way. You just argue with them like a normal person, or, if you are actually making a Socialist effort, you do things in their interest and they join/support it.

Nobody cares about your scorn for Silicon Valley lolberts. If you think automation isn't fundamental to post-scarcity society, you are either high or a primmie.

yeah, okay.

If you think Communism requires post scarcity, you have yet again revealed your cargo cult mindset. The conditions for Communism are here today. The only thing left is enough support to topple the current Capitalist governments, i.e. a strong Communist party. We don't require any fancy sci-fi bullshit. It is bullshit, by the way. No one has any actual, material reason to believe that any "General AI" or "full automation" futurism is anything other than cargo cult thinking. It is waiting for the rapture, it is waiting for the savior that will never come. It is absolutely pitiful and a prime example of something seeming real enough, so we just accept it. It is a textbook example of an illusion.
Nice attempt at deflection, by the way. The issue isn't "silicon valley lolberts"; it's the messianic belief in the ability of technology to save or free mankind. It's something a lot of "socialists" partake in like addicts. The only thing capable of saving or progressing humanity is the actual people in it. It requires a proletarian revolution, not literal, actual belief in magic shrouded in shiny aluminum bodies.

I forgot that modern agricultural machinery was powered by irrationality and the insane ravings of "materialistic" messiahs. Ok guys, I've packed it in, lets go and harness these dark powers in the name of Cyber Communism.

You can't convince people without having a common basis in them. Machine cult does not have a Materilalist/practical basis. If they do have practical considerations, they could be talked with on them regardless.

the story goes like this
earth is captured by technocapital singularity …

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instead of op tho*

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I've given up on trying to sell communism to them, and am more inclined to push China on them since it has the rapacious go-go capitalism which they love, but also a great deal more central planning than what we in the West are presently capable of pulling off. In a few decades we'll be a provincial agricultural backwater of the greater Chinese co-prosperity world empire.

Basically I'm the black Australian guy in the Hong Kong bar conversation part of Deus Ex: youtube.com/watch?v=JKF0IYwhrjk

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Holy fuck, this is garbage idealism. Also pretty much Blanquism. If the conditions for communism were here today we'd have communism here today. You've got a lot of learning to do.

And give up their privileged positions, why? Even Bay Area techies just "scraping by" are making more a month than some workers in developing countries would in a lifetime.
You're asking people to sacrifice their current material abundance for some imaginary future that may very well not come out to be. Until you can answer that question, there's no reason - except for the lowest dregs - to attempt revolution. This isn't even a problem of delayed gratification. You're offering nothing substantial, but asking they sacrifice everything.
Which is a meme. As long as there are independent actors pursuing their commercial self-interest under capitalism, the MoP will remain in the hands of the few. No amount of advances in productivity have significantly altered this. Even if mainstream additive manufacturing came to be, there'd still be the question of raw materials and specialized components.
Capitalism doesn't need consumers as much as it needs growth and capital flow. Stuck up pigs sloshing capital around satisfies this need just fine.
And as it stands, today's techies stand a better chance at owning a slice of the pie, than a Bangladeshi factory worker earning a dollar or two a day.
This is already happening.


This But unironically

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Aren't tech positions becoming rather saturated? I had heard that the economic privilege these guys have may be unstable

At the moment we can see that there are problems with capitalism, but the system is working for enough people that it can endure without too many problems. Obviously the system has been in permanent crisis mode since 1929, it stopped working without massive state intervention and police force to maintain it a long time ago.

When capitalism stops working for the powerful, when its inefficiencies and contradictions become wholly intolerable and beyond the ability of state intervention to contain, then you'd have the conditions for something different.

It has nothing to do with post-scarcity, and post-scarcity is a dumb meme anyway. Shit is always going to be scarce in some manner, even if you cut human population down to 500 million there would be fights over all the stuff in the world. Nor is it really possible to get away from human labor entirely, not for the forseeable future, since you need people to build and oversee an AI to make sure it conforms to human needs (unless people are really really stupid, they will want to do this, because Murphy's Law is always a thing with technology).

What is actually happening isn't that ze robots are taking over, it's that there is a limit to how much shit people can produce profitably, and businessmen have every incentive to sit on hoards of cash. Further, the financial system is sitting on a house of cards, and actually doing something with America's supposed wealth would expose just how much the financial system is inflated, never mind the ridiculously unsustainable debt that can not possibly ever be repaid. Even if the computer had never advanced beyond the old vacuum tube contraptions of the '50s, you'd have seen the same trend towards unemployment just because the growth of the mid-late 20th century was a temporary condition. It has been happening all along - the state has become really good at distorting it's official statistics to hide mounting unemployment and crises, to the point where the official 4% rate is laughably divorced from reality. Yet, the hoards of wealth are so vast that the system could keep trucking with 20-25% unemployment and few would notice, aside from the people who are falling into the dregs of society and know instinctively what that means with great dread.

My guess - I don't hang around a lot of techpriests - is that a lot of these people are on the meritocracy bandwagon, and have no interest in the idea of sharing the wealth. It's not so much a blind faith in capitalism (that's for idiots), but a deep-seated hatred of those they consider beneath them. Currently, capitalism sufficiently justifies their hatred, but it was always about the hate, rather than a belief that the system is genuinely ideal. When it comes to their bosses, they would be all for seizing wealth, but they would want it in their hands as a class, so they can rule instead of the bourgeoisie. There is no space for class abolition and the proles are either irrelevant or only useful as temporary shock troops at best.

Post scarcity is not needed for communism. Automation is nice in that it allows us to produce more use values with less human labour, but the point of Marxism was never that we could only achieve communism when the needed labour hit zero, or some other arbitrarily low amount. In fact, since value is a function of human labour, it will likely never do so; anything that gets automated becomes less valuable, and human labour moves into the next sector where value can be produced. The barriers to communism are political, not technological.

If you want to convince techlords of socialism, don't do it by selling them a phony meme like FALGSC, because that's just an excuse for them to avoid the political question, and in stead continue doing their thing in service of capital.

Company that makes muh iPhones is planning to automate 90% if it’s workfroce over the next 10 years what say you

Yes they're becoming saturated, which happens to any field that is pushed and touted as the next hottest thing. As more and more people take up skills like programming, the less value that skill will hold in the future. In 10 years people will look at the average coder like they look at a fry cook.

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Can confirm: I'm a software developer who makes just five grand more than the average American schoolteacher.

Personally, I can't wait. Things are gonna get real interesting once my colleagues start unionizing.

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user, you should be the one unionising them. Also introduce them to cybernetics.

Question to OP and other retards. Do you people who oppose yourselves to "techies" notice that said techies are on average far superior in intelligence to your lot? There's nothing intrinsically true to your beliefs that they have to "realize". You can only hope to sell them on some early XX century smugness and questionable morality.

Let's say everything goes the worst possible way. Automation destroys jobs, all material wealth is accumulated by Bay Area trillionaires and a few elite techies, AI-driven killbots curb stomp all opposition, the rest of humanity is forced to choose between poverty (wage-slave jobs, though of course only a Marxist half-wit imagines this somehow necessary for capitalism to work) and some primitive agrarian lifestyle. This isn't a highly convincing scenario, but humor me.

So, what's wrong with it for them? In a generation or two, the winners naturally stabilize into an intelligent, highly efficient race of posthumans with proper post-scarcity policies, and you parasitic imbeciles rot away.

Basically you're asking to be insured against not passing an evolutionary bottleneck, and I don't see why they should indulge you. They're largely fine with the world where retards, freeloaders and high school bullies are starved to death.

tell me where the bully told you dreamcast wasn't cool

Unfortunately I was too poor to be bullied about such items, but it's neat that you understand the demographics I mention to some extent.

Behold, the Overman.

You're a perfect example of a smug retarded commie that I meant, good luck convincing "techies", you mouth-breather. That was about LARPing as historically successful communist revolutionaries. Aesthetics of leftism, the winning image of leftism stem from the period of early USSR, it's quite noticeable how they affect your self-presentation. Think of NRx and their forced Victorian-era style, that's about how anachronistic you look and sound.

Yeah yeah, talk your way out of it, brainlet. Besides, if you think that is something contemporary leftists actually do, you have been spending too much time immersed in cringe compilations.

What the fuck even is a teacher,nurse, mechanic or a police officer

you think capitalism can work without people working for wages… you realise people need to buy products in or for capitalism to work? Demand is literal basic economics.

you are saying the current crop of people in power are highly intelligent individuals?

if you lick the boot just a bit better today, you will get a extra pat on the back :^)

i got this really crazy idea
what if
like
capitalism does something
just in order to, i dunno, maybe stop the overproduction
like… i dunno
maybe something like
do a war and just destroy shit
burn food and drop cars into the sea
what if they find out they can do that?
woah

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user wtf do you think "futurist" means

Genius post user and one of the best I've read on here in awhile.

While I'm going on about China here and in other threads here's an interesting article from the Communist Party's theory journal from 2011 which is very prescient: english.qstheory.cn/magazine/201104/201112/t20111229_132675.htm

Link might be a little tricky and might not load the first time but it's good.

I would, but the job I'm in is honestly pretty darn comfy. It's for the government, so there isn't any profit motive. All we have to do is maintain the databases and make simple smartphone apps people can download to get information. Most folks spend a quarter of their day browsing the internet, and everyone mentally "checks out" by three every day. So I'm sure you'll understand why I don't wanna rock the boat.

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Worth reading. I sure hope the people writing these pieces have some influence over the Chinese state.

STEMfags and Furfags are literally 1:1

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Cockshott confirmed Furfag by user.
How could we ever recover?

use windows system restore

Install gentoo.

I don’t want to know what will happen to humanity once genetic engineering becomes widespread, if these are the people designing the shit.

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That's very bourgeois of you.

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What, you're not psyched for animal-human hybrids? Think of all the possibilities!
The most immediate one would be growing spare organs.

Only economically illiterate brainlets would be against technology and automation. You’re not a communist

Only a dishonest debater would confuse the idea that communism doesn't hinge on total automation (and certainly does not automatically follow from it) with being against automation as such.

Okay, you're right.

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