Why are socialists pro-welfare benefits, pro-taxation? Removing health-care, welfare and social benefits is good. They simply prop up capitalism, they act as a crutch.
In true socialism this man would get no food or housing rations and he'd live on the streets/gulags.
True?
Taxation is another example of a third party exploiting the working class, appropriating their surplus labor value, and alienating them from the fruits of their work. All taxation is theft if you disagree then you are a capitalist.
Why are socialists pro-welfare benefits, pro-taxation? Removing health-care, welfare and social benefits is good...
Hunter Cooper
Carson Young
The size of that lad absolute unit
Jaxson Nguyen
stfu nigger and go back to >>>Zig Forums
Benjamin Phillips
Why?
How?
"no"
Gabriel Gray
Use your words.
Jayden Fisher
He'd be unemployed. No labor, no food rations, no housing.
Read the next sentence in OP, it's right there.
Actually yes. Obviously yes. A third party is appropriating your the value of your labour, whether its an "employer" or "the people's committee" it makes no difference
Henry Reed
sage
Chase Lee
Copypasting this shit was more effort than this thread deserves tbh
Ian Rivera
non-sequitur
Eli Mitchell
If you can't see how that entire passage relates to the necessity of providing a surplus fund both for the maintenance/expansion of production and social requirements then you're a bit retarded. Like, I know you just rolled out of of some subreddit somewhere and have no intention of actually seriously engaging here, but at least try to make it look like you're not just ebin shitposting.
John Reyes
if workers receive the due measure of their labour there is no need for some "surplus fund"
If you think the appropriation of labour is inherent to economic relations then you just lost the ability to argue against employers appropriating surplus labour value from workers. Otherwise you have an arbitrary double standard.
Michael Campbell
sage
Logan Cook
t. lasalle
Are the machines going to maintain themselves? Does new machinery spring from thin air? How about the sick, the disabled, the children? How are they to provide for themselves? How is contributing to social funding that benefits you directly (healthcare, education, disaster relief) the same as having your surplus value appropriated for private gain? Do you actually know what you're talking about?
Easton Sanchez
Children and eldery get taken care of by families and local charities, it's up to people to help each other not some hegemonic superstructure.
Your maintenance argument backfires, using that logic then an Employer/company/producer has the right to appropriate worker labour from individuals to fund "maintenance/expansion/research of production and growth requirements for the company".
Jaxson Butler
How can people afford this if they're only producing and receiving the "due measure of their labour"?
Hudson Martinez
sage
John Foster
Are you saying Marx poorly defined " each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" ?? I think it's very specific.
A father doesn't only need food for himself, but also for his children.
Or are you saying families should be annihilated and people should be taken care of by the hegemonic superstructure?
Oliver Perez
Fuck your charities, smash the nuclear family. Under socialism no one will have to rely on the mercy of bourgeois pigs (charity).
Yes. Society will raise children.
Wyatt Brooks
t. c.
Christopher Long
fuck off pedophile
Nicholas Ward
Where does this extra food come from? If people are performing the same amount of labour and receiving different amounts for it ("Further, one worker is married, another is not; one has more children than another, and so on and so forth. Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on.", t. marx) then logically a surplus is being drawn from somewhere.
pic related, t. engels
Jace Wood
Good, he'd get some decent education and exercise in the gulag.
Taxation in a capitalist state is used to prop up capitalism, to prop up the bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie steal from the proles. Tax isn't entirely used to benefit the interests of the proletariat.
Taxation under socialism is used to prop up socialism, to prop up the proletariat. The proles cannot steal from the proles. Tax is entirely used to benefit the interests of the proletariat ie all people.
Or at least that's my brainlet level of understanding.
Julian Smith
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Jose King
No. But i did watch a lot of sargon of akkad and mike cernovich so i have a pretty good idea of what socialism is. i am very smart
Juan Morales
Expansion of the company in the interests of the owner and for the profit of the owner, it doesn't necessarily mean that it will directly benefit those working.
Capitalist company expands, owner gains more capital, workers do not.
The child will grow up and take over or assist the generation previous,and through their labour repay their debt to society.
Noah Butler
Taxation and welfare don't exist in Socialism.
Carter Lee
ding ding ding
correct
so why do so called modern Socialists and Boynie Smanders and comms push for more taxation, more welfare, more ways to prop up capitalism?
Ethan Campbell
but they're succ dems
Jacob Hill
that ABSOLUTE STATE of stormniggers
Joseph Scott
There is mental gymnastics when people can accep taxes but not work for a wage.