Paul Cockshott's lecture on the marxist theory of exploitation was closed down due to threats by transactivists

Paul Cockshott's lecture on the marxist theory of exploitation was closed down due to threats by transactivists.

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penis-pistol's hatred of trans people is a somewhat autistic but fucking hell

You sure he hates them?

He's not even anti-trans. What is wrong with these people?

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no, but it seems like he does at times

More news at 11

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I wonder why

Imma need a quote or citation on this

This is not even unusual for idpol types. They routinely get into factional struggles with each other as well as those who hold opinions different to their own. Trans activists have had homosexuals kicked out of the Labour Party in the UK for disagreeing when trans activists try to join women's organizations or take posts meant for women.

On a better note, there ARE genuine socialists within the LGBT and trans community. I've seen some of them in the American Democrat Cops of America organization sharing posters that say "rainbow capitalism is not enough." That's exactly the right line, imo.

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I get where you come from, but still, they are in a reformist organization so that slogan means jack shit.

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Sorry, I disagree with him on trans folk, but this is literally COINTELPRO. The people who shut this thing down are COINTELPRO assets/agents.

Here's a classic. COINTELPRO in action. The kind of idiots who shut down this lecture.

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Don't underestimate the power of ideology.

isn't this what feminism already is?

Gender critical is code word in that circle for "reactionary views on transgender people".

They regularly perpetuate Southern conservative/evangelical myths of trans people being rapists and perverts.

Gender criticals are TERFs

It's what it should be. The problem is certain liberal sects from American academia have worked their obscure the material dimensions of gender. They don't understand that something can be a "social construct" and yet still be effectively real and not just a spook.

Regardless on your opinion of transgenderism as a phenomenon, you must admit that the TERFs have a completely reactionary line on transgenders.

They don't even describe them as mentally ill. That would be a step UP. They describe them as men who enjoy pretending to be women and gaining entrance to women's spaces for sexual satisfaction. Literally indistinguishable from Ted Cruz's position on transgender people.

I mean he is semi-terf.

(me)
Still, shutting down his talk makes little to no sense given how Cockshott is not a major figure or even actively pursuing anti-trans activism. By doing this you are shutting yourself in the foot.
Although I would not be surprised at all if these trans activists were not leftists at all.

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I was going to go to this.

You wanted to go to a Marxist lecture without checking your privilege first? Serves you right.

What even was the story behind this? Was there some cover-up in the org? Or is this literally just some "anarcho-rainbow" larp group that felt like shitting up the event to remind everyone their relevant?

I prefer to call them "identankies"

True I guess.

Still, there's not that strong an identity politic trend in Glasgow, most of the activism here is either the Communist Party, SSP, RISE or Labour Left.

There is an IdPol anarchist crowd, but they're not actually active (aside from getting arrested for public indecency occasionally), but they're not exactly big readers, and I can't imagine they would have actually have heard of Cockshott.

Certainly nobody's boasting about getting it cancelled online.

has he tried not being a stupid terf??

Have you tried not being so spooked?

user, you mad man.

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who is spooking whom here

LMAOOOOOOOO THAT NIGGA FINNA BOUTTA GOT DABBED ON

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Cockshott isn't even a TERF. You don't have to be one to realize that transwomen and cis women have different material interests.

TERFs are all female. It's all about equality between genders until they have to change their way of thinking too.

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Have you tried not being a fucking wrecker? I think Cockshotts TERF-lite positions are retarded but in what universe is this justified and not divisive nonsense?

Aha…

It's from 2014. Anarchists disagreed with the gender opinions of an anarchist writer who was going to speak. They shut down the event.

FOR FUCKS SAKE

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Ah yes the "speech is literal violence" meme that trans liberals tried to promote during the Obama years. It's almost nostalgic at this point. Their goal was to get Americans to pass hate speech laws (America only prohibits speech that incites violence, thus the obsession with conflating words quite literally with violence) and of course they failed absolutely miserably, just like they do with every fucking thing else. Fucking liberal scum.

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Are you telling me the FBI hires gay and trans to shut down communists?

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It's more insidious than that.

Try getting a job in academia as a classical Marxist rather than a Radlib who specialises in gender politics.

If dissent is channeled into pretty useless causes (gay and trans liberation is fine, but it's not going to end capitalism), then the only political movement that might concern the state or the wealthy can be neutered.

The fact that these 'activists' have no idea what they're doing is more concerning than if they were actively being paid imo. I used to get really mad when I saw this stuff, but these days I just view them as deluded.

To be honest I'm starting to come around to the idea of creating age limits for all IRL activism (excluding antifa-type shit.) In the west 18-25 years olds are just too obsessed with identity to care about material anything. At the very least student activism should be actively discouraged and replaced instead by student reading and discussing groups.

The CIA tried that during the Cuban revolution

Depends on the circumstances.

I used to organise young workers in a mid-sized city with a history of socialist politics. The working class kids who were involved in politics were pretty suspicious of identity politics, the middle class students embraced it wholeheartedly.

That's not to say that the poorer kids were Marxists (they were more suspicious of Marxism than the students), but at least they had a very concrete idea of who were screwing them over (the rich) rather than spending all their time navel gazing about whether they were doing enough to make their 'spaces inclusive'.

students are instrumental to radical activism in the West today. Students are zealots and indispensable in a situation when the left needs bodies on the streets and organizing volunteers. They shouldn't be discouraged. They just need better guidance.

They haven't stopped promoting it, they just took a different approach. For example forcing employees of companies to use someone's preferred pronouns through the civil rights act. And with the recent gay cake decision, individual states are now making their own anti-LGBT discrimination laws which include similar provisions aimed at preventing perceived discrimination against trans people.

And make no mistake, it will be an issue in 2018 and 2020 because of the gay cake case alone.

I'd agree, but it's a sorry fucking state of affairs.

Even in May '68, the workers and students worked together, these days student radicals wouldn't know where to start if they were talking to a warehouse worker or labourer.

I don't know man, I technically fall into that age bracket and I've read a ton of Marx. I think rather than an age requirement, it would be better just to have a quiz that tests people's knowledge of Marxism. If they pass, they are in, if they don't then they won't be admitted.

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As an extension of this remember that the entire school system drills these ideas into kids at a young age because the civil rights movement's greatest victory, desegregation, was based upon racial issues within schools. Due to the student-based nature of the civil rights movement students are told every year that if they feel unsafe or discriminated against they have a right to complain and they have a right to have their complaint taken seriously. By comparison, no such thing exists within the context of wages. Students (some of whom are also workers) through college aren't told of their rights against wage theft and compensation claims, or their right to organize or challenge their boss without fear of termination.

Though I consider this to be an oversight rather than malice.

Yes. And their radicalism was curbed by the ☭TANKIE☭French Communist Party, whose bureaucracy was primarily composed of petty-booj academics. Workers and students have a lot of common interests and most leftist students understand this. Sure, there's a significant amount of radlibs who care more about idpol than socialism, but overstating their influence is buying into le postmodernist neo marxist meme, which is retarded. Like I said previously, they just need a better leftist education.

Amusingly in the UK, the Socialist Party of Great Britain and Alliance for Workers Liberty both have reading lists you have to get through before you can be considered as an applicant for membership.

However both have a membership of under 100 people, so they might not be the best case studies of that working.

This is a big problem with student movements today and is a direct result of everyone going to college and not taking a "real job" until their mid twenties. I don't really see an end to it until the college loan bubble bursts and sends everything into the ground.

Related to this is the general abandonment of hands-on activities within schools, especially extracirrciular ones. The NCLB and Common Core both enforce a rigid regime of standardized exams and powerpoint presentations, things that do not get students thinking about doing practical things.

I guess age was a bad metric. Full-time students should be prohibited instead. Their class interests are just too fucking ambiguous at the moment.The only thing students are good for is antifa and fucking actual leftists who belong to actual left wing organizations.

Over here in America the longest-lasting social groups I've encountered are ones that basically operate as book clubs. It's one thing Mormons, Unions, Marxist study groups, legal advocates and corporate lobbyists have in common. Even as they do other activities they make it clear everyone has to read something one month then talk about it at the end. Capitalists have already realized the value in this, hence why extended-learning programs are so commonplace because they serve roughly the same role but for companies who don't want to retrain IT workers every 5-6 years.

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For a bunch of eunuchs trannys have balls.
Hopefully he can rearrange.

These days it's "anti-Russia" or "anti-extremism" censorship, and it's really picking up steam. Predictably, instead of censoring Nazis, all of these regulations that Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are enforcing shut down communist dissent.

Agreed, this is what's needed. What's crazy is how hard it is to get COLLEGE STUDENTS to READ. But I have personally observed a number of "student radical" groups dissolve and get replaced by reading circles. A positive development resulting from them realizing that they had no fucking clue what was going on or how to organize.

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It is disgusting that people itt are even debating whether Cockshott is a TERF or not. Nobody gives a shit. You shouldn't give a shit. He was going to speak on the Laws governing wages, a topic on which he's an authority, and he was denied the opportunity because of a bunch of wreckers.

Fuck those pieces of shit, end of story.

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Even if he was a TERF it wouldn't matter. It's irrelevant.
Meanwhile there are actual card-carrying nazis out there advocating killing trans people. Pick your battles.

While the TERF shit is unfortunate, Paul's economic theory should at least be discussed. Ignoring him on the basis of him being a TERF is pretty shit-tier, as one may as well reject Marx for his hatred of Slavs, or Bakunin for his hatred of jews.

I couldn't agree more.

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Dw Cockshott we still love you.

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Liberals are not your allies.

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READ JEFFREYS

Denying mens' God-given right to define womanhood literally the most oppressive thing you can do in 2018.

All Cockshott said was that he was "gender critical", which is different from being a TERF. To my knowledge, it's the view that gender is a social fiction, not something grounded in material reality in any sense, which conflicts with the transgender claims of male and female brains and whatnot, but isn't exactly TERF. Can anyone provide evidence that he's a TERF?

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The last paragraph of the second image.
Why do these c-nts consistently promote social identity as being part of or creating some kind of actual reality?
This shit pisses me off so bad- would be cultural critics constantly just slumming it in whatever bullshit memes surround them instead of breaking them down or otherwise seeing past them.
constantly reaffirming the supremacy of ethnic and sexual identity instead of destroying these r-t-rded, arbitrary costumes. they say things to the effect of 'its all just memes' here and there to suck me in, but then lace it with more reaffirmations that memes are actual objective reality because social magic voodoo and go back to the usual later
is the idea that they have to break out from the inside? they sure fucking take their time if thats the case.

>Shemale carries the same historical weight as nigger

Polite sage

I can't help it, that shit annoys me when fags compare their bullshit to the experience of being a black in America.

I've never even seen trap used in a plainly derisive way. Every time, the idea of them looking like a girl but being male being a 'trap' is irony on the part of people who actually prefer that.
I'd take it if I was proven wrong here, but I think the people who wrote this just figured out it must be bad and mean and derugatory from logical deduction about its etymology with no cultural context at all.

uncritical support for based cybernetics man against liberal wreckers

Cockshott doesn't advocate for jailing gay or trans people or anything like that. He is only anti-gay in the sense that he doesn't support extending subsidies/tax breaks that many countries have for the purpose of alleviating the trouble of raising children, which is something that gay couples rarely do. The effect of extending these programs then is an increase in the inequality of wealth. (He could have avoided brouhaha over that just by advocating that these tax/subsidy programs should simply be linked to raising children.) He is anti-trans in the weak sense that he refers to mtf trans people as male and in that he supports the right of women's groups to exclude men from their meetings and spaces.

I believe some of the hostility against transphobic/"transphobic" people on the left has something to do with the socio-economic situation of some of these activists, if you catch my drift.


"Gender critical" means the type of feminist that gets pissed off when you tell a girl with some stereotypical boy interest that she might be a boy in the wrong body (or the other way around, a boy with a "typical" girly interest). When it comes to explaining the power of the sexes relative to each other in society, GC feminists give a big role to biological differences in body strength and that it's the women that get pregnant, without reducing everything to that. They have a whole subculture out there on twitter and so on for sharing shitty memes. (When trans activists talk about anti-trans violence coming from these feminists, that's what they mean by that.)

Why should I care?

Not a ☭TANKIE☭ lad but whatever makes it easier for you to post memes instead of arguments

The evidence is that he doesn't agree with liberals, that's literally it. Oh, and a couple of offhand comments that could be construed as transphobic on his blog.

Don't censor yourself here comrade, this isn't reddit, we don't care if you say the bad words

Queer theorists aren't socialists. They're just another form of intersectional trash.

it was irony you m*r*n

wtf check ur privilege

My guess is that they think there should be no "Trap", everyone should be pansexual.

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Any source on that?

transwhatevers are the most perfect antileft conintelpro psyop the jews have ever cooked up my hat's off to them

you know i'm just going to say it: good.
people have this damn stupid idea in their head that they should run their mouths off about everything and anything. here's a radical idea: no, fuck off. speak when you have something to say, otherwise you're wasting time and if you get backdraft from an off-hand comment then so be it, especially when it's a comment on the world's most popular hill to die on. (i.e. gender issues) If you want people to hear your good ideas and take them seriously, don't open your mouth and poison your own well when you're having bad ones. Nobody reads Keynes for his views on interior design.
and yes i'm aware of the hypocrisy considering I use imageboards as a place to fire ideas from the hip and see what I like the sound of later, and indeed find myself doing so right now.

People can't ruin your events over irrelevant opinions if you don't express those opinions in the first place.
(This is not, in itself, to express support for the closure, but more to use it as a framing device for this general trail of thought. I don't have much opinion on cockshies* either way.)

Cockshott self-sabotaged by talking about gender at all tbh, even in a different context. The only possible case for clemency would be if it was in a "private" setting rather than on a public blog, etc, but that's not the case here so whatever.


he holds some culpability for denying himself the opportunity by failing to pick his battles earlier and more appropriately
this is the age of the spectacle and people should act with that in mind. Marx could write his side-opinions freely (with many of the objectionable ones in any case being in private letters) by the nature of the society in which he lived. We, however, must re-learn that silence is virtuous.

*spellcheck apparently thinks Cockshott isn't a word but "cockshies" is an actual word defined as "a target for throwing sticks or stones at as a game / an act of throwing something at a cockshy / an object of ridicule or criticism." which seems appropriate so I'm leaving it in.

I personally agree with you, however I have found that not having a position on lgbtq issues and feminism can also be counterproductive as it will often times also lead to your ideas being discredited, by other "socialists" who will label you a brocalist or class-essential.

*class essentialist

you will never actually pass lol

Do you also support banning criticism of Israel within college campuses because pro-Palestinian opinions are "irrelevant" and only serve to piss people off? Because this is exactly what the largest university system in the US (the University of California) has regularly considered for the exact reasons you've described; pro-Palestinian speakers only serve to annoy "normal" people while pro-Palestinian groups are considered to be agitators at best and ISIS at worst. Students who expose anti-Israeli opinions are also considered antisemites, and the school would love it if they could expel them over it, and thus blacklist them from any business run by a UC-linked fraternity member.

The same justification is used by Fienstien herself (whose husband is a UC Regent) in her free speech/journalist license proposal which has popped up with all the concerns over fake news. If citizens are no longer given first amendment protections against libel and slander claims because their opinions are "irrelevant" and off-hand then free speech becomes a luxury only for those who can afford licensing.

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There can only be one though.

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Back to the Vampire Castle with you

I know, right?
Succdems shouldn't give their opinions ever, but somehow it keeps happening.

The tranny menace is the latest capitalist psyop to ensure eugenics on unsure children, compliance in the imperial core and to be shield for imperialist ventures (HUURRRR TRANS RIGHTS!!!!!!! LET'S INVADE THEM BROWN COUNTRIES SO THEY CAN RESPECT WAHMEN*)

It's supposed to sow confusion among the working class by having 0.5% of the population be on the public consciousness constantly. They will also link these nutjobs to the left in general, destroying the tiny bit of legitimacy we may have had.

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I would agree with you if that kind of thing worked, but I am increasingly convinced that it does not. These trans/queer/[marginal of the week]/…-activists don't seem so much interested in defending the rights of this or that marginalized group, as they are of inserting themselves everywhere for their own benefit (with an eye towards future employment as professional activist, diversity consultant, and so on - there is only so much you can do with a worthless degree, and the student loan has to be repaid). They will manage to find you even if you keep perfectly still. If you don't speak out about trans issues, they will eventually demand that you do, at least in academia - some inane university wide diversity initiative will occur, and god help you if you are not "voluntarily" wearing a cunthat that day.

Beyond that there is the problem that once you cede the authority to decide on what the only thing you are allowed to say is, to some nebulous group of afore mentioned professional marginals, their power will bleed over into serious areas of discourse. As stated, they love to insert themselves everywhere, much like a metastasizing tumour, and they will make it all about *them*. And there is this case, them shutting up Cockshott when he was trying to do a lecture on wages.

Silence for tactical reasons is fine, but be under no illusion: the lot (the professional whining caste) will have to be liquidated sooner rather than later.

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Reminder even Marx told identitarian leftists to go fuck themselves

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