Why does the Russian Federation not like the West or NATO...

Why does the Russian Federation not like the West or NATO? I of course understand why Russian citizens do not like the West; they imposed a corrupt liberal democratic capitalist government and increased wealth inequality exponentially. But why do the billionaires which run Russia not like the billionaires who run America anymore? Under Yeltsin they did, of course, but what changed?

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Russian bourgeoisie wants to trade on an equal footing with the US and Europe. They recognize the importance of nationalized industries. They want regional stability. These three things are completely unacceptable to the US/NATO, hence the NATO aggression. That's all there is to it, it's not "RF dislikes the West," it's "RF aims to secure its own interests against aggression."
sage for brainlet OP

It's a perfectly reasonable question dude, the bourgeois Russian state clearly acts differently toward NATO (and vice versa) than most of the Eastern European ex-socialist states. Why does Russia want "equal footing", as you say, while Poland, Latvia, and Croatia are content to just join NATO?

Because they know that ZOG Occupied Government only wants to destroy them dumbass.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

gee I wonder why these tiny, defenseless countries "joined" NATO

No it is a fucking stupid question and you should feel ashamed you cannot work it out.

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It still doesn't explain why Russian capitalists were happy to be western stooges in the 90s but changed their minds.


Never reply to my posts again.

OP is incorrect. A lot of oligarchs and government bureaucrats still very much love the west. They, despite sanctions still are buying property in the west, store their money there and their kids still study and life their.


Enitely incorrect. A lot of Russian industry, like the biggest car company AutoVaz is unfortunately west owned and Russia still suffers from massive capital flight out of country being over one trillion during pootins tenure.


The whole reason for the standoff for nato is related to pootins approval rating. Before taking Crimea it was at it's lowest and has risen significantly after it was taken. In other words standoff with the west is distractions while oligarchs rob the country.


Power ratings.Poland, Latvia, and Croatia are small countries, that just want to be part of 'the west'

Indeed.

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They are two different groups of capitalists. Hence they compete using the state,

I know why….

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Because Russia's economy collapsed. Now with a strong China the Russian ruling class views the only path to prosperity is with a strong nationalist policy like China.

a huge portion of Russian oligarchs are very pro-west though since they've made enormous amounts of money that way.

America provocates Russia because they need a enemy to keep its European satellite nations under its control. Nightmare scenario for Americans would be Europeans and Russians allying against it.

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It should be pointed out the Russian oligarchs did produce any new capital they simply cannibalized existing capital this is why more far sighted capitalists were alarmed all the way back in 1993 as they could see Yeltsin was destroying Russian capital for short term capital gains.

NATO inherited the Nazi opposition to Russia

Because most of those billionaires (the ones that haven't fled to the UK or US after Putin's rise) made a deal with Putin that essentially meant that they would support him in exchange for them keeping their ill-gotten gains from the clusterfuck that was '90s Russia. I don't think they have any real quarrel with the West (beyond the occasional competing interest), so much as they don't want to rock the boat and end up being investigated on Putin's orders

Because they stand to gain more from being a sovereign nation. And because a continuation of Yeltsin policies would lead to another commie revolution.

weird how you're leaving out the energy industries…

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You know Putin's mother was Jewish right?

What exactly are you referring?

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You know you can be a jew and not a zionist, right?

Opinion of this board fell even lower. The main reason why NATO exists is to oppose Russia.

This post… oh Lord.

In the mind of a person who talks about the "ZOG occupied government" you probably can't.

Why does the Russian Federation not like the west? Hmm..perhaps because you put your NATO forces next to to the Russian bear's borders, make missile defences near it and also opposite it in Syria perhaps? I would not say that Russia is the dreampartner either with the annexation of Crimea, the constant highly risky maneuvers that they do around their neighbours including war excercises, air space violations, vodkacrazed plane harrasments and many other things.

I understand why both NATO would feel threatened by Russia and vice-versa nowadays. However, why did Russia not join NATO once we propped up the puppets? Why did the oligarchs of Russia not join the oligarchs of America? This is what confuses me

fuck off retard

A lot of Russian oligarchs have double citizenship's,store their money in the west, and their children study and life there. The reason why Russian oligarchs life in the west, but do not allow Russia to join the EU and NATO is because they need a bogeyman to distract Russian people while they rob the country dry.

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Clinton promised that NATO wouldn't extend further than East Germany after the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the idiots actually believed the West. This is in part what's fueling the conflict in the Ukraine, because the US wants to induct them into NATO, which would be like if Hitler made Mexico a part of the Reich.

Because while NATO is nominally an alliance, Russia on its own is significant enough to be a counterbalance to the US. Bringing Russia into NATO would obviate the entire point of NATO, which is to facilitate the organization of American vassal states. If these vassal countries could choose between supporting the US and supporting Russia within this organization, it would immediately start to unravel the unipolar design of the organization.

Friendly reminder that just because you oppose one imperialist power doesn't mean you have to support a different one

Yeah, a Russo-European alliance would be a strategic threat to American dominance, and so would a stronger EU. This is what Trump & the gang doesn't seem to get - providing security for Europe means Europe has entered a relationship of dependence on the US. If Europe starts pulling its own weight militarily, the alliance with the US will become less important, and American dominance will be threatened.

Kind of a moot point now that Trump is dismantling the empire in so many other ways, though. I didn't think I would live to see something like this.

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