Clive Palmer returns to Australian Politics / /leftyAusPol/

Apathy seems about Right to me
People i talk to are extremely unhappy of the way things are going but seem to adopt a "Ahh Shucks guess it cant be changed attitude" towards our situation
That and of course the Brainwashing kicking in and their minds shutting down the second they hear the Word Socialism / Communism drop from the belt

Best method ive found to talking to people about our situation and bringing them to a more left wing Mindset is to get them to associate Socialism with a Gough Whitlam / 70s SocDem Policy and work my way left from there

Do you think an anti-Chinese Red Scare has something to do with it as well (regardless of what China might be)? 'Cause I've been seeing a lot of anti-China stuff in the news lately, but I'm not sure whether or not they make it an ideological thing or just a national interest thing?

Got to love old Whitters.

Yes
The news always makes sure to Call it "Communist China" to Remind people of the fact they (call themselves) Are """"Socialist""""

I would not be surprised one bit if when / if a SocDem / DemSoc runs a party for office they will be called "CHINESE AGENT!!!111!!!!"

I remember seeing Hillary Clinton saying something like "Oh, you got to watch out for the chinks, they're up to something, they're going to hack your election" while she was in Aus.

Well see? Youve got evidence to prove my point right there
This Anti-China shit all over the news lately is to prepare for what ive just talked about + Making sure we align to Burger GeoPol Interests

I hate how we're pretty much a British/American naval base in Asia-Pacific that gets traded off between the two. I reckon a Socialist movement in Aus ought to cloak itself in Pacifist language, such as kicking out the American soldiers. Do you reckon Aussies'd go for that?

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Anti war sentiment always works better with clear goals and cloaked in nationalism: "We must not send the sons and daughters of [country] for the interests of the rich in America!".

Do Australian nationalists pretend to be peaceful? 'Cause I saw a story on SBS talking about how some soldiers in Afghanistan flew a Swastika flag, which to me says that they want war.

not the guy you responded to (I'm the burger) but I'd gather most normal people there (not the hardcore fascist types) could still be persuaded by vaguely nationalist rhetoric, if it's anything like the states
although that doesn't really mean anything will change

I reckon Left-wing Nationalism in Aus could theoretically work. If you highlighted the Class Struggle throughout our history such as the Eureka Stockade, Ned Kelly fighting the rich Poms and harkened to the old bush poetry while throwing in some Titoism and Maoism (Cultural Revolution type stuff).

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I dunno, I just know it works in the UK since blair was the one that declared Iraq and Afghanistan: UKIP and a section of right wing tories are anti war for some reason now. Appealing to isolationism to support anti imperialism is useful, since pacifism tends to disagree with isolationists as they still have a defensive military mentality.

I guess that could work in Australia. The whole "we're getting fucked over the bourgeoisie who send our people to die for foreign interests" thing. Good idea, Titoist.
It's really hard to get that thought going in my own nation because of the whole fear of "class warfare", and how military worship is so pervasive here. It's honestly kind of terrifying, to tell the truth.

On the right wingers, they're anti-war because it gets white people killed but they're not anti-imperialism, I would reckon. Or am I mistaken?

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I would say the ethnonationalist party is less important, but yeah they don't want people to die so rich people get oil: but as I said they support a strong DEFENSIVE policy. Oh also the christian right can be quite antiwar sometimes, pander to that and their social elements could gain some results.

Trying again 'cause I fucked up my last post.

I think Corbyn plays the 'Man of Peace' thing. It'd be good if he nicked the UKIP voters who vote just based on Pacifism/Isolationism/Whathaveyou.

Thanks mate :)
I feel so sorry for yankee comrades, you guys have to put up with so much bullshit.

He does it to an extent, although his issue is that he comes off as a pacifist, not as a patriot. Still he made a speech during the election about terrorism, basically saying "lads this is because we bomb places tae fuck", and 70% of people polled agreed with him. After Skripal, a lot of right wing people were towing his line, and the Syria bombing was opposed by the people. His stance, although could be better sold, is popular. One thing he has done recently is cloak socialism in economic nationalism: like pushing for arms manufacturing to be done completely in the UK, I bet nationalisation of the arms industry will be in the next manifesto.

Wish Aus had someone like Corbyn.

lol, love it.

Curious, that. What the hell do they think they're defending from? Immigrants? We have that sentiment, here. Not sure it's the same there.

It's absolutely insane what people believe here. It's depressing, as I know for a damn fact that if they weren't so scared from generations of anti-communist programming, they'd love socialism. A lot of the earliest socialist movements started out here, after all. The richer ones would hate it. of course. Especially the "small business owners", they really don't like even social-democratic ideas.
I spent most of my childhood hearing Obama was a socialist dictator who wanted to kill white people. It's surreal, man.

It's made even more surreal by the fact that Dems are trying to paint Trump as a Leninist.

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The thing is, you probs already do. No-one had heard of Corbyn in 2014, he got in on the leadership race for the sake of "debate" and was a 200/1 chance. He almost didn't get nominated. So look through ALL the MPs in Australia for Labor, see if there is one you can find who is pretty damn leftwing. Perhaps build a Momentum like org to get behind them, work from that. It will take some groundwork, but once you have it, it can really take off.

No, nations with a tangible threat of invasion: in the UK's case Russia in Gb and Argentina for the Falklands, that's about it. Now having a decently strong military to defend those two places is not counter socialist: communists of all stripes sort to protect themselves from the Nazis and the Falklands, by popular referendum, overwhelming voted to remain a part of the UK as such protecting them from Argentine invasion is in accordance with popular sovereignty. So they don't want boots on the ground in some far off place or to send bombers, but they do want; in say britain's case, a functioning navy that can protect our coastline.

Socialist is a just a buzzword to mean "anyone I don't like" in American politics. I can guarantee they don't even know what Leninism or even Marxism is.
Americans call Marx a lazy idiot who didn't understand economics (they've never read Marx) and then can't explain economics other than "capitalism means good and makes my belly feel good." They call taxes theft but don't understand that the value of their work is stolen. They have no idea where profit comes from.

Do people in the UK think the Russians are going to invade them? I don't talk to people there often, so I wouldn't know.
I can understand the logic of wanting to protect yourself, of course, although I've noticed some "isolationist" rhetoric gets really dangerously militant and damn near genocidal. At least where I'm from, anyways.

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Thats more of a Mainland Europe thing
iirc Groups Like Die Linke in german Melanchons coalition in france and the Commie (SocDem Eurocom albeit) Parties of Czechia Greece Portugal etc have all been accused of being Russian spies

I want to live in the world where Liberals live in which a Leninist was elected to the highest office of the US

The Only person i really know of who pushes any Corbyn tier Rhetoric at all is Katter
And he (As i have stated) Has already basically fucked himself in both the eyes of the Right (His not 70s but fucking 50s tier SocDem Rhetoric) and the left (Having about a Million soundbites of him complaining about Muh Chinks and Muhslims)

Double on that, I would LOVE to live in the world Zig Forumsyps believe when they say that "JUDO-BOLSHEVIKS ARE RULING THE WORLD"

Not quite. You see Russia has a habit of flying planes in british airspace and parking ships like a mile from the coast, then pissing off again. Add to that threats about the Russian navy cutting underwater cables during a time when the british navy is historically weak, you can see people seeing Russia as a tangible threat to the UK directly: doesn't mean they would support a war over Ukraine and the baltics, however.

iirc Groups Like Die Linke in german Melanchons coalition in france and the Commie (SocDem Eurocom albeit) Parties of Czechia Greece Portugal etc have all been accused of being Russian spies
Ah, no, that is the liberal rhetoric: they say the same thing about UKIP and brexit here, about Le Pen and the AfD ect. It doesn't actually fly that well, especially after Corbyn was accused of being a Czech spy (which he wasn't) and the increasing level of conspiracy theories among the working class right wing, which tend to lend themselves to leftwing scepticism.

What the fuck? They're blaming Czechs for problems now?

During the cold war user, so you know: agent of the ebul gommis.

He Unknowingly met a Czech spy once so hes a gommie spy

wait hold on, that's the criteria they're going with?
but what about all the right wing leaders who met with say, the mujaheddin. does that mean they're islamic terrorists?
shit's ridiculous

Its Propaganda
Dont think about it so much

well yeah, of course it's propaganda but
does nobody think about it? it's pretty easy to dismantle
then again, facts don't matter, I should know, I'm a burger
it's just hard to wrap my head around this bullshit

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Most people did think about it which is why it fell off the UKs new Cycle in about a week

Oh. Well that's good.
Can't relate, though. We still have people convinced Obama, who is as neoliberal as neoliberal can be, is an atheist muslim communist african who wanted to destablize america
it's been over eight goddamn years and people STILL believe it

kek
Shit like that hasnt happened in Aus since the days of Whitlam going to visit Mao ("Muh commie chink spy")

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just looked up the whitlam guy
why was he dismissed from his post? it seems like he was doing okay for a social-democratic type

He was Much Much to Anti-NATO / US / UK (Sorry lad) for the Attorney General (Some old Conservative "Australia is Britain in the pacific" tard) And also wanted us to join the Non-Aligned states (Yugo India etc)

CIA also encouraged it

To Learn More about Whitlam and the SocDem gang see some old ass shitpost i made about him…

Archive/2018/May/21-31/ctrl+F "Gough Whitlam"

Re-posted this btw sry

Of course, why am I not surprised
I can't see the post, but I'm guessing he's pretty cool for a SocDem.
GANG GANG GANG GANG

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Fucking Ashamed of Myself

Just check the archive like i said and read the OP (Me) Lad

Yo, that guy seems pretty dope
I can't really think of any former leaders of my own country I'd respect

What About corncob pipe man?

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I'm the burger with the red flag, not the brit
I really don't know any, not ones that were in huge positions of power, anyways

Isnt Carter the fucking icon of the SocDem gang in America or whatever?

Who? Jimmy Carter? No, I don't think so.

Wait, what about Peter Garrett? Democratic Socialism with Aussie Pop characteristics when.