#occupyicepdx going strong… Leftypol fellas went off for a smoke after the liberals checked out. We're here...

Zero, and I'm not camping out right now either. Cool strawman though.

There's no pleasing y'all lot, is there?

Godspeed, comrades. Make sure to spread socialist talking points, too. The more red liberals and SocDems (or shoot, even altruistic conservatives) we radicalize, the better.

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That wasn't just you who wasn't camping out then. No one did. In fact, no one even thought to jump on this outrage train and throw a tantrum until the corporate media picked it up as an expedient story to bash Trump after people stopped caring he was cheating on his wife with another whore. It's taking slacktivism to a whole new level of autism.

You are retarded.

hi Zig Forums

There were a lot of protests in 2014 when Obama was doing this same thing to families.

What's become trendy is for the media to actually report on these protests because Trump scandals = ratings.

america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/4/immigration-advocatespressureobamaondeportations.html

Open borders is liberal boug policy.

Cool so let's just get rid of them

It's not a communist issue. Fixing the inequality across nations is the issue. These people should not be exploited labor in our country, they should be protected labor in their country. This is a form of enabling and coddling that goes far back to the noble savage myth.

If opposing open borders means founding a crypto-fash police state agency that deliberately splits up families so the kids can become sex slaves, then fuck it abolish borders.

Are you fucking serious? This is the exact opposite reason why they split the kids up. Open borders with no way to verify a given child is actually with a friend or family member, and not a cartel sex trafficker, would be the most enabling thing for sex slavery I can imagine.

why are you LARPing as applejack

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This is like saying we shouldn't protest reactionary violence because the liberal notion of "human rights" is spooked.

Nigga, ICE lost 1.5k children from splitting up: they are sex slaves now. The vast majority of children are related to whom they came with: a former ICE officer said this v recently. Stop concern trolling and look this shit up.

Cite the evidence yourself, I can't find much of anything. That minors are being traumatized is a good enough talking point without pulling an inverse O'Keefe that will just bite us in the ass.

Why do you keep calling it "leftypol" when you're probably the only leftypol poster there? Are you COINTELPRO?

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Exactly how many times we need to go through this before people realize Occupy tactics are worthless and don't work?

Liberals go home at night. ☭TANKIE☭s, anarkiddies, RASH, etc stay overnight.

We are blocking entrances to the ICE center in our city. The ICE center has been closed for 2 days after the bulk of their workers were escorted out by federal police Tuesday night.

Yeah dude Marx fucking hated stateless societies and was totally for ethnostates.

What do you mean by "don't work" ….. one, the ICE center has been shut down for TWO FUCKING DAYS and going on. Two, there's tons of great basebuilding and networking. #occupy tried to tackle a lot of big issues at once. occupyICE is focused on shutting down specific facilities in specific locations. There's a fair chance that we could push our local reps to reform the system some.

So what's the actual plan, to camp there until they decide "well, I guess we have to stop detaining people in ICE centers"? That's not going to happen. There are two outcomes.
1. They let you stay there camped out with your buddies for as long as you like and just move their dention facility to another, private location.
2. They say, "ok you made your point", and arrest you all.
Either way, ICE continues doing what they do and you either waste your time camping or get arrested. How myopic can you be?

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The goal is to disrupt and fuck with them. If this makes you uncomfortable then you need to reassess your values.

It doesn't make me uncomfortable, it makes me embarassed for you.

Based

Yeah, and guess what? They don't care. They'll just resume things as usual when you lose energy and when the other kids need to go back to school. You're basically giving those guy some days off while you have to spend money in food and so on. ICE isn't a private company that needs to return to business as soon as possible, and it's definitely not just one building. You're on an attrition war against yourselves, and if you can't see that from the get-go you probably don't have much future as a socialist organizer.

And you don't have much knowledge of Marx either.

Fantasies of violence we'll never commit ourselves: the pic

If your activities aren't to accomplish any particular goal then you're wasting your time. You keep them out of their office for a few days, an inconvenience at best. At least burning down the building might actually destroy some records or documents or something, but right now you're just on a camping trip.

fucking amazing revolution there brother

America is a dying empire. The more stressed its institutions become the better. This isn't about starting a revolution but about preventing a right wing resurgence.

Workers of the world, unite!

< tfw this is how you usually talk

Well shucks, hun. Keep this up, and you'll be makin' me blush.

I ain't even seen the show, though I did watch the first movie on a whim the other day. As for the pic? I figure it gets boring serving up the same twelve anime reaction gifs all the time.

Pretty sure it's a joke, famrade.

That's like saying Occupy and the Sanders campaign were total losses. Truth is, they were doomed from the start, but they succeeded in that they got people questioning the current state of affairs.

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See guys? We have a plan, we just have to camp here until the public sector collapses.

The right-wing resurgence is already here, and a key aspect of their success is that they don't waste time doing performative acts based on delusional prognosis of imminent state implosion.

But you're not stressing any institution. ICE is still operating in Portland, they're just using different facilities until you're done with your camping trip. If you were a legitimate threat to ther operation, they'd arrest you.
Open borders is a boug policy in the first place so this is retarded. Why are you operating under a false paradigm? It's not a "right wing" policy, its a boug policy, supported by both parties. And fuck what they say on TV when the media is recording, look at their voting records.

Neither achieved what they sought to achieve, so that's, at the very least, a failure. Nothing is ever a "total" loss, but the idea that Occupy was worthwhile because it "got people talking" is ludicrous. Nothing changed as a result from that talking so, ultimately, it was a massive loss.

Of course it's a joke.

In a different city and without popular support they would have been arrested.
Side debate. Make a new thread if you want to talk about that.
I wish they had done more and lased longer, but they did have successes too.

It's not a side debate, it's your goal. You're protesting ICE doing its job. If ICE didn't do its job, we'd have open borders.

businessinsider.in/Melania-flew-to-Texas-to-visit-immigrant-children-wearing-a-jacket-that-says-I-really-dont-care-do-u/articleshow/64688477.cms
A wonderful human being

Occupy and the Sanders campaign had concrete goals towards which they were working. Sanders didn't just go and camp out in front of the White House until they made him president.

This is literally Idealism as Marx encountered in the early-to-mid 19th century: the notion that ideas and consciousness alone can dictate material affairs, and all that is required is for enough people to reason our ways out of our circumstances. Society is more than that. It's institutions of power, productive forces, class realities and material conditions, all that require virtually no consent to operate. If we're going to call ourselves Socialists we might as well deal with those truths and focus our energies on strategies that directly engage the material means of power, not DO SOMETHINGisms that have already shown to lead nowhere, and if we're going to "raise awareness" we should do so using efficient tools of communication, and not performative acts.

And coincidently, many of the people I know who were the most eager OWS defenders back in the day have already retreated into social-liberalism if not straight up conservatism, cynical about the prospect of change altogether simply because it didn't occur as they anticipated. And that's because without a realistic, scientific understanding of reality it's easy to lose hope, and that's the fate of several of those people: they uncritically jump into any occupation, protest and movement in their teens and early 20s, burn themselves out, encounter more defeat than they know what to do with, and start growing apathetic.

Borders are bourg as fuck under capitalism. America especially has no right to prevent others from coming into it as they please.

Zig Forums converts need to stop spouting this meme. Socialism is and always have been about solidarity internationally and with workers of all classes. Someone being born in another place doesn't make him or her less of a worker unlike you nativists think.

Imagine unironically believing this, and also calling yourself a leftist

Protesting concentration camps on American soil.

No. These people are oppressed workers in their home countires. Our goal is not to shelter them with our oppressive form of capitalism, but to provide them tools to free themseles where they live. By letting people flee their countries to come here, you're making the problems worse in their home countries. The logical extension of this as populations grow is that the influx will become untennable for western countries. We need to fix the problems at their roots, so there's no need to migrate for economic reasons.

So you protest county jails as well? Because that's what these ICE facilities are. Holding places while people await trial for breaking the law. It's a jail.

Yes.

ICE has only existed for around 15 years. Are you saying that America had open borders up until that point?

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I'm literally asking you if you've also camped out in front of other jails like this to prevent entry of detainees, or just this one?

ICE as a department has only existed recently, but the general duties of deportation have been in place since the country was founded, generally in the hands of DHS.

You guys will waste time with occupy shit.

Instead, do like those kids who survived the school shooting did, create a nationwide movement to put pressure on elected officers to act about it. Don't just say "do something" at them, use your collective intelligence to find the legal groundings of the ICE camps (at least in my country, when we find abusive shit like that it's usually it's one or two laws interpreted liberally in practice). Footage of politicians being pressured on the question will be a lot better propaganda than campsites that often become lolcows. And you can find some electoral support with liberal Dems and libertarian Republicans, even if they're a minority within their parties. Use social media and any journalistic findings to sustain the parade as well, because people are likely to forget about all of this in a month if you don't remind them.

Even if it doesn't work, you can put your names and your organizations' names out there in a more professional fashion. I remember everyone "agreeing with the message but disagreeing with the approach" during Occupy Wall Street, don't let people think we refused to learn anything in almost a decade.

There are plans to expand the protest to detention facilitates.
wot?

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What are you even trying to say here?

You are making many assumptions here.
Obviously this is not done because they hate their culture or whatever but you are being deliberately oblivious to capitalist push and pull factors. "Culture" is not more important than bread, you would realize this if you were a dialectical materialist.
Everywhere, really.
1. How is this accomplished by jailing foreigners here?
2. Are you a Maoist? "Freeing" third world countries and revolution in them always will be sabotaged and crushed by Imperialists, and thus this meme of "they need to fix their countries" is unworkable.
It actually relieves many countries of potential famines and allows people who would be unproductive in their countries to become productive in another and send remittances (ie. Direct funding against poverty, which by all measures has been proven more effective than any anti-poverty aid provided) to their countries; and really, ask any immigrant: an American babysitter earns more than a Doctor or a PhD in Physics in the Philippines or Haiti - The remittances they send are more effective than whatever their marginal labor would do at home.
The economy isn't a zero-sum game or a finite slice of pie either, and while I'm not saying that we should transfer the entire population of Nigeria to the US, it helps to think about it in a more nuanced and less nativist way about it. Even working-age undocumented immigrants end up being a tax net benefit in the US, anyway, even the IRS admits this.
I agree, but this is a non-sequitur to what you propose (ICE raids and charity aid to inneffective governments).

I hate when nativists argue in bad faith and justify their race and culture positions (proven by the "hurrr give up your culture" comment) after-the-fact.

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By generally I meant it's who has had immigration enforcement authority in recent memory. ICE is a specialized offshoot of the DHS, but these enforcement units go back to the United States Customs Service, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and the Federal Protective Service.

Yep, going all the way back to the United States Naturalization Law of 1790.

The DHS was literally created because of 9/11 you brainlet

I know, i clarified my satement here

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Marx lend me the strength to not purge pony avatarfags.

Why do you think US liberals love immigration so much? The US will only maintain its imperial dominance by growing its population and bringing in the most brilliant minds from across the planet to work for the Empire.

The liberal imperialist plan is that the United States will rise from 330 million to 400-500 million inhabitants in order to make it demographically competitive against China and India…which it considers to be its only serious long-run competitors.

Liberal birth rate and migration enthusiast literally argues against white nationalism/nativism mainly on the grounds that he believes the US needs a larger population to beat America's rival superpowers (e.g. China)
medium.com/migration-issues/what-it-would-take-to-keep-america-white-fe441e7e8ffd

The liberal media is getting in a tizzy because this insular nativist right-wing shit is compromising the plan through its stupidity, not because it actually cares about immigrant kids or racism.

Anyways, I'm not against them coming here but as Napoleon said, "never interrupt your enemy when he's in the middle of making a mistake"

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*birth-rate enthusiast Lyman Stone

that is literally retarded my dude

it's a valient effort, granted but it's unlikely to be more than a flash in the pan. if the burgers weren't terminally classcucked something substantial may actually be done about this. In the end, the media will generate a new outrage and this'll be buried inside of a month.

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He means he wants the ponycucks to gtfo.
Any leftist channer is well-aware of the episode that strawmanned social equality as tabula rasa.

Why is that? I am aware that population size and immigration are not the sole reason for America's dominance over the world but it is certainly a major factor. Without the immigration waves of the 19th century and early 20th century, it is doubtful whether America would have been as successful during the World Wars and whether it would have risen to the top position among imperialist powers and held it as long as it has.

If the immigration act of 1965 had never passed then the US would only have 250 million people. Do you really think that the US would have the same impact and influence in the world today if it was smaller by a factor of 72 million people?

One of the reasons burgers were constantly shitting their pants during the Cold War was because the USSR had a larger population than the US. It's the same with China.

The US with 500 million people has a much better shot against China or Russia than the US with just over 300 million.

I'm sure I don't have to explain how brain-drain and a well-stocked labor market that will keep profits artificially high benefits the aim of long-term US dominance in the 21st century.

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I gave up my commodity fetishism years ago, but even I know of that shitshow. they could have gone somewhere good with it in the form of
but instead went for a lazy strawman

Anti-capitalist messages in American media are unthinkable, especially in the case of kids' shows, which are already bombarded with claims of communist propaganda by mentally ill boomers. It would be amazing if they didn't pull out the straw man.

sadly so, no matter how subtle they are. my theory is that ones the last boomers die off, maybe we can edge the reactionaries out of the media. even if only a little.

What we're trying to do

If enough people are at enough ICE centers, sooner or later something interesting will happen.

lol go back to Zig Forums

That's why we're hoping to build the movement and are also interested in seeing all the ICE agents getting doxxed…..

Because you're homeless. You're homeless aren't you?

All of the libertarian republicans I know personally share the "they're breaking the law" sentiment or are apathetic to it.

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The united states federal government as it stands, harvests billions in tax dollars and the federal reserve can just print more money L I T E R A L L Y, you aren't stressing a damn thing

asking in good faith here, please don't ban me

why would any sane white person of any socio economic strata agitate for more mestizos and Indios to come to this country. what's the point. is this just more "in search of the revolutionary subject" garbage? you people are insane and are dragging us all to the gates of hell. your naive approach to realities of idpol will just guarantee a Nazi masturbation fantasy.

peace out.

What did he mean by this

class war is inextricably linked to ra.ce war in this country. and that's assuming the indios and mestizos even want to participate in class war and don't end up opting for a pure ra.ce war instead.

Because to want to fuck them.

What did she meme by this?

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you're operating under the assumption that le epeck rase waaaagh is inevitable as opposed to a figment of your imagination.

Brainlet-tier post.

are you really going to deny how racialized labor has been in this country since its inception, and how it continues to be racialized to this day?

Books like settlers by Sakai are super popular for a reason. there is no white proletariat.

Oh my fucking god you unironically quoted Settlers.

and? what do you know that he doesn't? how many PoC eat his shit up? have any PoC read anything published by Zig Forums and the anti idpol left? yeah that's what I thought.

you're going to be in for a rude awakening soon. going to bed. nite nite.

Only one kind of person is happy about ICE right now…

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Nationalism is idpol

Nobody is u retard

There actually are cases of minors being directly handed to traffickers by the DHS.

archive.is/z8b3E

lol

Current liar you mean