Americans, can you please explain what the fuck is the deal with these two...

The DNC is another rightwing party

Thats a very loose definition of right wing you have

The Democrats are obviously right-wing to anyone who isn't a burgertard. As are all liberals.

While the Democratic Party has been purely liberal and a graveyard for real Left Wing movements since at least Franklin Roosevelt, it took a sharp right wing turn at the end of the 1980s. Similar to how it is now under Trump, Democrats had been totally obliterated for the first time in decades under Reagan. The leadership of the party and many liberal pundits blamed this on the party ceding too much power to its Left Wing, which had included folks like Ralph Nader and Jesse Jackson at the time, and decided that the only way it could have a shot at winning elections again was to alienate what remained of the Leftists within the party and try to pick up moderate Republicans in the suburbs and potentially even regain support in the South.

Therefore, the "New Democrats" were born. Bill Clinton, Al Gore, HIllary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, etc are all cut from this cloth, which is basically an attempt to take the neoliberal economics, neoconservative foreign policy, and "tough on crime" rhetoric of the Republicans and fuse it with a strong dose of liberal Identity Politics and an excessive focus on Political Correctness. The former appealed to many of those "moderate" conservatives in the suburbs while the former was able to keep new liberals and progressives who had grown up under Reagan and were opposed to his exceedingly actually reactionary domestic policies but didn't really give a shit about economics or anti-imperialism due to coming of age in the "End of History" period of the USA.

When Clinton and Gore won in the early 90s, it was seen as cementing the inherent correctness of the New Democrat approach to American politics and encouraged the Dems to essentially completely give up on even pretending to give a shit about the Left. However, because Reagan and Bush had so thoroughly destroyed what remained of Leftist movements of the 60s and 70s, there wasn't really anyone left to oppose the Republican Party, who had shifted even further Right what with ghouls like Newt Gingrich being elevated as its posterboy and such, and with the expansion of far-right talk radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh. Essentially what happens at this point is that a centre-right Democratic Party is able to start branding itself as a Leftist opposition due to the creeping fascism that is beginning to manifest within the Republicans. When you factor in the aforementioned new liberals who have grown up in the culture wars and who almost completely divest political life or social issues from economics, you see a "New New Left" if you will emerge in the 1990s.

Also, this New New Left didn't have much incentive to care about economics in the first place. Clinton, through embracing neoliberalism and institutionalizing it as an economic dogma in the USA in a way that even Ronald Reagan couldn't have dreamed of, was able to grow GDP and give everyone a sense of a continuing prosperity. This boom coincided with the final dismantlement of the Soviet system, which many in the US Left and Liberal class had long perceived as an evil on par with Nazism and a betrayal of socialism, and thus a feeling of giddiness about the future overtook the country, particularly forward-looking liberals. In this "End of History" atmosphere, it appeared that the responsibility of the Left was only to further defeat reactionaries on purely social issues, that representation and "equal opportunity" was preferable to talks of "working-class solidarity", "class warfare", "peace,land, and bread" and so on. I mean, doesn't that sound scary? Doesn't that sound like it might shake up the perfect little world that Western liberal democracy supposedly had built, with the USA at the center? Doesn't that sound a bit too much like something the just-defeated evil USSR would advocate?

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I see

dude, they're not even social democrats

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To begin with they are both pro-capitalists. So well to the right of us leftists.
Secondly, the "neocon" and "neoliberals" converge to support "neocolonialist" policies of world domination by corporations. They work for the same bosses for the same ends. Their bickering partisanship is mostly a show to distract.

Is being a corrupt piece of shit beholden to international big buisness a right wing idea?

Whatever they are. The people in america that are receptive to your message care about what they think, as shown by the popularity of their "harass trump admin officials in public" campaign

Ok, lets stop since i want to actually converse and not play ideological reductionist.

There is no major left party in the US, we have a center-right party (Democrats) and an extreme-right party (Republicans).

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So basically what happens in the 1990s is that the culture war completely claims the center of discussion for both the Left and Right, with class issues being seen as more of a nuisance that occasionally must be dealt with out of necessity rather than an actual issue to be fought for perpetually (this applies to the expansion of the military and security state as well of course, which was basically seen as a necessary evil to maintain the "End of History" atmosphere). What is often said about the Democrats at this time, and again under Barack Obama, is that they moved Left on social issues while not doing the same on economic issues. Personally, I see this analysis as lacking. Throughout the 90s many social issues such as LGBT rights, continuing the Civil Rights advancements for PoC, women's rights, etc were utterly and purposefully butchered by the New Democrats. A true "Left" approach on issues such as these would be to simply legalize gay marriage, prohibit the build up of the private prison industry and push for rehabilitation rather than punishment, end the War on Drugs, and institutionalize a feminist mindset on women's issues at the governmental level. This is more akin to the approach some European social democratic parties took in the 1980s and 90s, a true "Left on social issues Right on economics" paradigm.

The New Democrats however actually were quite conservative on social issues, just not to the extent as the Republicans, particularly the Republicans who took power in congress in the "Republican Revolution" (google it for more info, its quite interesting). Many of the new Republicans simply wouldn't budge or actually wanted to go backwards on this issue, whereas the New Democrats solutions were to promote equality in OPPORTUNITY. Essentially the line became that if you were represented on TV more, if you gained more education and skills and thus had a better chance of climbing the corporate ladder, if you were able to CONSUME as much as a previously privileged person, and if your groups identitarianism was tolerated as much as the "predominant" one, then you were liberated. Rather than giving people liberation people were given the "tools" for liberation and left to sort it out on their own. Whereas neoliberals in the Republican Party, one could argue, wanted deregulation and lower taxes as ends in themselves, so that old white guys and their yuppie sons could enjoy economic prosperity while keeping the minorities and women and other marginalized groups who could do the same to a minimum, the New Democrats sought these economic "reforms" as the pathway to social equity (hence the memes about neoliberal Democrats equating more women CEOs with women's emancipation. It's quite literally what they believe)

Thus, this is what became the face of Leftism in America in the 1990s. Sure there were still holdouts such as the anti-globalization movement, a resurgent interest in anarchism (itself largely a paper tiger), certain social democrats who maintained their position in congress such as Bernie Sanders. But make no mistake, what became of the US Left in the 1990s was essentially a full bending of the knee to the New Democrats and their approach to politics.

Thus you get folks like Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters who, despite being seen in Europe and other parts of the world as Angela Merkel style "moderate" conservatives, get to call themselves "the Left" or at least get to be perceived as the Left. And it worked great for Republicans as well, because they got to essentially blame failures of the Democrats, who weren't much different from Ronald Reagan at this point, on "Leftism", "socialism" "communism" etc and move even further Right. This got even worse under Bush and Obama.

Therefore, despite the overton window beginning to shift ever so slightly back to the Left thanks to the growth of groups like the D/SA, the Bernie Sanders campaign demystifying old school Keynesianism and social democracy and even getting young people interested in researching what is genuinely meant by the term "socialism"(IE figuring out that it doesn't mean "when the government does stuff") and even the rise of a small but growing Far-Left thanks to the Internet and so on, there is still a tendency and a habit of calling the Democrats, whether they are the corporate neoliberal types like Pelosi and Clinton or the succdems like Bernie and his new crops of "democratic socialists" the Left. Because it worked so well for them for so long many neoliberals don't want to give up portraying themselves as Leftists and I suppose there are some who genuinely believe it and because it worked so well to smear the Dems as "leftists" the Republicans for damn sure will NEVER give it up.

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There is no American left. There are only liberal capitalist cuckolds.

Oh boy

Memes aside, the two of them are the leaders of the liberal establishment and the liberal establishment dominates the American left.

The liberal left dominates because of the nazi-esque purging of actual socialism in America coupled with the inherent american flaw of loving 'liberty' so much as to be complete and utter libertines, that are so stuck up their own asses about how free we are that we can't see fascism if it kicked us in the vagoo.

When I say nazi-esque purging I mean it. The Red Scares and Operation Gladio are comparable to Kristallnacht and the propaganda of the third reich. All the more backed by the fact that

A) Allen Dulles and many other elites of American society were ardent supporters of the Nazis and condemned Jews, Communists and any other opposition to their rule

B) After WW-2 these same elites remain unpunished and were returned all their holdings in Nazi Germany.

C) Allen Dulles, helped rescue and hide THOUSANDS of nazis and nazi collaborators, which is ignoring the scientists who they openly took from Peenemunde, with the Von Braun (also a nazi) heading many of NASA's space programs and living a comfortable life.

Lastly in the Nazi plan for dominating the East they did not want to destroy all of them, they also planned to Helotize a good many millions. What does Helotize mean? It is not simply enslavement like the unsubtle chattel slavery in the US South. No, it is a Huxley type nightmare the members of whom are blissfully unaware of their own wretchedness.
Education was to be denied, 'degeneracy', promiscuity, and erasure of prior culture was encouraged, and segregation enforced through class boundaries.

You see this today in the USA. The majority of the US lower class are lumpenproles. hormone-loaded bread and constant low-brow circus give them the endorphins needed to keep them docile, the long history of defending "the right" to sexual fetishes and other tertiary bullshit over the right to live as decent human beings and the first place. They care more for their short-term pleasures than the long-term good for themselves and others.

Think about it, what is the majority of humor based on in common US media? fart jokes, ass jokes, dick jokes, rape jokes, death jokes, politically incorrect joke etc. Nothing subtle, nothing to think over or infer, nothing at all.

It's like the scene in Idiocracy, when the Oscar winning film was a farting ass.

I'm going on a rant here so TL;DR liberalism has been an inherent part of US politics and society since forever and that shows.

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big lel good buddy

The Democrats aren't the left. The biggest wing of the Democratic Party is centre-right with a centrist progressive wing. A few of the progressive ones lean to the left, but I wouldn't consider them to be leftist.

Yes

Corruption is a result of a monetary based economy. Everyone is susceptible to it. In a world without money, the whole left/right thing would likely go on, but in a far less emotionally charged and violent way. I fear the concepts of gods, immortal souls and an afterlife may even continue, but it's a small price to pay for getting rid of classism, poverty and war.

hmm

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