Crass as it is, adolescent media is helping define the direction of politics. The Alt Right wouldn't have happened without the Ron Paul Libertarians and the South Park Conservatives, who rejected the sensitive posturing of polite society. The Trump movement capitalized on that.
It's time for the Left to do the same. Stop being wilting flower pussies. The modern Antifa are pathetic cowards who virtue signal against irrelevant white nationalists, and they're bad PR. They also tend to be weirdo trannies. They're a pathetic shadow of the old Left revolutionaries.
The left is supposed to be a rejection of shallow consumerism and capitalist alienation. It's about a connection with nature and truth, and of striving toward fulfillment.
Perhaps the biggest error of the modern left is in vilifying masculinism. You don't have to reject and vilify masculine energies to stand up for feminine ones. Feminism without masculinism, and vice versa, are nonsensical without one another.
Embrace truth and nature. Reject false hierarchies of the corporate political system, and archaic religious systems. It's time for the Revolutionary Left to come back. Leninist-Statist pigs are not invited.
Those aren't mirrors at all, though. The inverse of masculinity is femininity, not feminism. Most feminism rejects the concept of femininity as an inherent quality of being female.
And Antifa aren't even totally bad PR - when they actually get a punch in on people broadly despised, it's incredibly good PR and makes the mainstream left* (*liberals) look like shitters who can't get anything done. Keep the good, ditch the bad.
Ethan Kelly
I disagree. Postmodern feminism and radical feminism reject the tie between femininity and being female. Liberal feminism and difference feminism don't, and they're much more prevalent. Note that liberal feminism doesn't refer to liberalism, but rather the belief that men and women are equal.
Broadly speaking, feminism can be understood as advocating for women's rights. When I say feminism is incoherent without masculinism, what I'm saying is that it's incoherent to make up for the injustices females face, but not the ones that males face (i.e. child custody discrimination). Feminists would say those issues are caused by "the patriarchy" and as a result are part of the feminist cause, but that's silly because the term is inherently flawed, since it automatically places men in the role of the oppressor.
What would be better is to advocate for egalitarianism that pushes for responding to injustices faced by men and women in our current system. I support women's rights, and as a result I support moderate forms of feminism. However, I'm against the vilification of masculinity, and I think culturally/societally, men should embrace masculine attitudes and roles to a greater extent, or at the very least not be criticized for them. I also think supporting masculine traits can actually bolster and support moves for femininity. I think masculinity should be promoted among men, as well as the minority of women who identify as more masculine. I support femininity among women, as well as among the minority of men who feel more feminine. I think it's a great weakness of the left that it vilifies masculine attitudes as "heteronormative," which is frankly a pretty useless term.
Ethan Adams
In policy terms, what would revolutionary socialism propose.
Feminism is about realising women's liberation.
Liberal feminism means maximising a woman's right to choose by treating them as independent moral agents. This kind of liberation is pretty much settled in the West. Women face very few legal obstacles because of their sex.
You're not meaningfully a feminist if you think men and women shouldn't be discriminated against and should be free to live as they please.
The feminisms that obtain among activists now are equity feminism and critical feminism. The former are obsessed with parity and equality of outcome. They challenge femininity because it's an obstacle to their goal. The critical gender theory types ("systems" and "intersectionality") are the same but have a more developed understanding of hegemony, class, base and superstructure such as they relate to the maintenance of patriarchy.
You're not likely to find common cause with the latter groups because they are probably threatened by your idea of masculinity and femininity.
Dominic Morgan
God youre stupid. Why do stupid people post here so often? Why do they post like they are the rallying (but a bit of a womanizer) leader to our hopeless leauge of crass but loveable revolutionaries? Why do they think they are smart? Huuman natchur? Muh borgoze? Perhaps this is intelligent. You could say that "The Trump movement" capitalized on a rejection of "political correctness" to gain support. But then you further realize that every conservative is against political correctness, and plenty of other people. You are either for or against it. Its like saying that Trump capitalized on anti-immigration sentiment. Its not an intelligent observation. Its a banal one. Not even touching on the fact that you have offered no connection to your opening line outside of "South Park Conservatives".???? Im not weak or effeminate. Their is no strong leftist movememt that is weak or effiminate. This is just a garbage meme of some particularly "interesting" red liberals. I dont know about everyone else, but I respect violence. I dont shit my pants about the state of freedom because nazis cant protest without being harassed by "wilting flower pussies" and "trannies". I think its hilarious. I suppose in your leftist revolution, we will all carefully preserve the Nazis and their beautiful heritage. Then, we will all link hands and sing the kumbayah. I think the violence is not only deserved/okay/just, I think it is healthy, and it would be good if society would engage in it more. We have all lifted ourselves from violence.In reality it has been taken from us And now we rely on the state for our violence, which it is kind enough to dutifully dole out onto us as long as we recieve and do not give. The world, at large, is determined (at the very lest strongly) through power and violence, and throughout history, the rulers have consolidated and taken it for themselves. This leads to the obvious need for people to take violence and power for themselves. The power must come into the possession of the people (this is a revolution for the slow) and they must reshape society. Its the only way. There is no other way, and people cant do this suddenly. You cant take a society of hippies and foster a revolution. So, in short, I support bike lock man and the rest of their silly liberal friends in their babies' first step into power, lawlessness, and all the other "bad" characteristics that people will ultimately need to take from the state unto themselves. Getting into such strongly moral terms for the "left" is shaky. We all agree on the social ownership of property, but exactly why is a hilariously long and winding road. If someone was able to craft an entire moral system/code around Marxism, they would be a genius unto a genius. But, obviously to me, the left is a rejection of Capitalism. Not its facets, the whole thing. The entirety of it. I definitely wouldnt say we are trying to connect to nature either. Nuffin against nature, but it just isnt as cool as feeding people or having what is rightfully yours. This is a meme. Plain and simple, you have been memed, no large group thinks this. Feel free to change my mind tho. Truth is at the heart of DiaMat. Nature is ehh. This is an ugly mouthful to say basic Marxist concepts like "no more private property". Lool, meme tier. No need to get people to stop believing in Jesus. They will either adapt or not, and fighting against their religion will firmly put more into the "not" category. Haha, you are garbage.
Robert Lee
brilliant answer
Benjamin Nelson
This is verbose shite. I can only presume is samefaggotry to see merit in such drivel.
Brody Ross
And i can only assume you're problably New Yorker/californian laping as leftist
Grayson Roberts
Whatever. Just don't post any more, thanks.
Bentley Thompson
why? i'm on the right place. you're the one that seems to be lost. the board for the utopian pacifist postmodern """""leftist"""""" is Zig Forums.
Charles Wright
ISHYGDDT >Embrace truth and nature Spooky T. Brainlet >>>Zig Forums
wake up and smell the coffee, there's a war going on and i know which side of the barricade i'm on. i'm on the side that capitalism alongside the useless institutions it spawns has to go.
Joshua Murphy
OP here. You completely failed to engage with anything I said. You just rambled. You're a moron, and you're probably white trash, given that you're a Trumpist who's so confused that you think you're somehow a leftist. You don't actually stand for anything, you're just a vacuous authoritarian. Opinion discarded. You're a moron.
Andrew Gutierrez
How do you propose keeping the "weirdo trannies" out? They seem intent on attacking and wrecking other leftist groupings.
Caleb Wood
Nah man, youre simply delusional. Thats a different poster. Perhaps, but I like to think its eloquence, personally. I dont use parentheses particularly well, but its Zig Forums, so I only revise once or twice at most. Is implying the left is full of "wilting flower pussies" not an insult? (And verbose for that matter) But yeah, I insulted you. I think you are an idiot, and honestly, I dont really post too much outside of calling people idiots and arguing against them. I like to fancy myself as a righteous, dashing, and handsome protector of the innocent Zig Forums brainlets from the wannabe philsophes like yourself. But seriously, I do like to namecall idiots. Its a small time hobby of mine. Are you talking about when I said I wasnt weak and effiminate? If thats self agrandizement, you must be trying to insult me. I cant even imagine how you can type if you believe that is self-agrandizement otherwise. To think that you could even post in a moderately public forum with such low levels of self-confidence is astounding. Wow, you are a literal one, aren't you? I did not literally mean that every single conservative doesnt cater to P.C, I was just pointing out that saying Trump capitalized on it is an incredibly banal statement and that you have incredibly banal ideas and thus should be incredibly ashamed for passing them off as interesting or unique. For one, saying that I am posturing and self agrandizing is a tautology. And calling me verbose and using tautologies is also a tautology, so shit on your shoes too. Furthermore, I cant think of any tautologies I said. I definitely rephrased things, but it is definitely possible that I repeated something. I just cant quite find the strength to rigorously effortpost. I will never be Rafiq, my children, so close your eyes and let me slip into the night. You said that they were "virtue signalling against irrelevant white nationalists", so I ran with that and started talking about Nazis. Of course, perhaps it is my fault for not respecting the longstanding and beautful tradition of splitting hairs over irrelevant differences between racists. I said you could change my mind on this, and all you did was say the same thing you said before, but now assert that toxic masculinity was a common usage word.Is this not a tautology? I cant remember ever hearing anyone unironically use this word in real life, so feel free to back up this statement with a fact. I am fond of them.
Good to know your credentials. Thats patently false. I said that your ideas about what Trump capitalized on were banal and were also unconnected to your first sentence. It seems like that was a thesis at some point and you stroked out and forgot. I also clearly connected with the rest of your post, but I refuse to go through my post and highlight where I engaged with you, so Ill leave it up to anyone whose reading to see the obvious truth that I clearly engaged with your post. You say rambled; I say expanded and explained. Perhaps you would benefit from a synopsis? I have a feeling you quite like those. No u Speaking about vilifying, geez. I could ramble forever about why white trash is a retarded idea. (No I couldnt) Its like somebody thought that stereotypes would be good as long as they were spread equally among all the races or some bullshit. Is this the power of Radlib Communism??? Aint nothing wrong with being white and there aint nothing wrong with being poor. I dont see what makes me a "Trumpist" here other than disagreeing with you and your memey politics. This all smells like a bait post, but gosh jolly do I like a good buttblasting. Firstly, I stand for a lot of things, currently I am standing up for everyone who has been touched by your ignorance. It is a harsh and lonely road, but someone has to do it for the poor brainlets of Zig Forums. I dont think Im vacuous either. But, by your definitions, I am almost certainly an authoritarian. Noooo. Please. Dont do it. No u el dos
Jack Roberts
You called the alt right movement irrelevant, you Zig Forums
Gavin Butler
Lol no, its only interested in making women more proletarianized, it doesn't care if it hurts men or women to get there.
Joseph Taylor
Not sure if this is bait from Zig Forums , or just a terrible manarchist/brocialist. Either case, fuck off.
Juan Wood
It's hilarious watching feminist dead enders try to bail out their sinking ship. Cats out of the bag, everyone know feminism is bourgeois and has done far more harm than good to women.
Nicholas Young
Liberals are faggots and so are you. This is a communist board, there's no place for liberals here. Fuck off back to Zig Forums.
Andrew Foster
You're still rambling, and autistic.
Josiah Anderson
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Luis Bailey
I'm not criticizing Antifa for being "mean to white nationalists." If they were better at it, I'd support them. The problem is, when they do minor acts of violence, it creates moral equivalence in the minds of the public. Even in the 90s, Antifa were more effective than they are now. Instead, it seems like Antifa are shining a bigger spotlight on the Alt Right than they deserve. That undermines their own cause.
Your response on the "moral terms" of the left is fucking retarded, and just shows that you don't know anything about Marxism. One of the most fundamental points of Marxism, as well as anarchism, is that the capitalist system alienates people from their labor. A big part of the point of the left, and especially both Marxism and anarchism, is seeking forms of labor and life that are not alienating, but rather fulfilling. You don't deserve this much of an explanation, but here you go.
If you knew anything about the left, you would also know why the point about religion is important - religion has been used to control people, and is another false hierarchy. Hence the old phrase "no gods, no masters." That said, I actually don't totally agree with it, because I do think there are some religious traditions that are insightful; I think Soto Zen is a great philosophical/religious system. While I have a general distaste for Christianity, I think Quakerism is quite a beautiful tradition.
You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about.
Keep whining, but lose the flag. It doesn't represent you.
it seem clear to me you're way too obsessed with feminism or whatever, go back to pol, we don't want to discuss your issues with gender, masculinity or whatever bullshit, because it's a distracting, useless pile of crap spouted only by sjw and polyps.
Henry Wilson
kys faggot, you don't even understand how you got destroyed there, you spout random bullshit, there is nothing to salvage from a discussion with you
Gavin Perez
t. Weirdo tranny
John Wood
not really no
Brayden Rodriguez
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Dylan Flores
Invitations are only spooks, ill show up anyways.
Daniel Long
Who are you, Steve Bannon? Nobody says "Leninists". They say "marx-leninists"
