Woke vets

Didn't the German Revolution of 1918 literally start because of a bunch of German soldiers rebelling?

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You and your army are gay.

Nice to meet you, I'm currently enlisted.

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Gayest organization of straight men in America, and don't you forget it, faggot.

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LMAO you signed up to die in porkies wars fucking voluntarily kek what a cuck

I signed up for free college and training in urban combat. One of these days, I'll probably get around to that free college.

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Who with? Quit namefagging, by the way.

I'm with the united states army, currently stationed in Schofield baracks.

I'm in Hawaii.

One, it's spelled "barracks". Looks like the dumb Marine grunt is better at speling gud than you arminfeg. Two. How is Hawaii? I slpet through my entire time there when we docked and I'm actually still kind of pissed about that.

twitter.com/mechaniquette/status/1023983920168103941

this tbh

It's ok. We get sent to field excerises all the time tho. And it seems like we're always busy, and poorly managed.

That's a good thing. My experience was fuck-fuck games and police-call. Field exercises actually give you skills.

Legacy Twatter gives me hope with how much people are shitting on him.

Call me craze, but I'm not a huge fan of being in the field all the time. I just got off doing a two week 12 hour gaurd shifts in the middle of the jungle with no bars, no connection at all, not even the radios worked. And now I'm heading to the big Island for PTA, and from what I hear, it's a nice place to c omitted sucide.

You got the actual experience of being behind the shit without support. How did your unit do? Kill yourself and become another statistic if you want, but I hope you realize that even "modern" warfare is still plagued by the same lack of communication and other assorted bullshit that infects wars throughout history.

Out of simple curiosity, give me your MOS. It's not PII, so don't worry about that, and I promise not to make (too much) fun of you if you're a POG.

Marines?

I was there doing a story and had to go meet this Navy media flack at a checkpoint in the middle of nowhere. Roll up and there are two leathernecks in a guard post. "Uhh is this where we're supposed to…"

Marines: "WE DON'T FUCKEN KNOW."

Me: "Okie dokie thanks a bunch."

Hurr durr marines dum even though they have the highest ASVAB requirements

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I don't think they were dumb they were just angry because it was 7 a.m. in the middle of the jungle and they were only told what they needed to know.

My apologies. I'm still angry. Kind of becomes the default position after a while, or enough dissapoint. You didn't deserve that. Let me tickle your junk while I beg you to fight for Israel.

I'm literally furious about pastel horses and the Corps, unironically. Mattis needs to fuck their shit up.

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Mod purge of this thread when?
Anyway, I can accept vets if they've truly turned against their former allies and they've been thoroughly vetted (heh) by a legitimate org. However, I have to say I'm highly suspicious of those two. At best they're opportunists using their "leftist veteran" status as a cash cow, at worst they're spies and saboteurs.

who fucking cares

it really only gets annoying when people use the veteran card in arguments. fuck that shit.

My buddies died face down in the muck, bub, for you to diss Enver Hoxha like that you fucking revisionist!

*bangs table*

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So did you sign up to pay for college or do you just really like murdering brown people?

It wasn't even my unit doing the training. I'm an 88m, I'm the guy who's mostly likely to die if sent to the middle east, because of IEDs.

Reminds me of my time during gaurd duty.

Why not both?

I unironically hope you do get blown up by an IED and the people close to you realise how much of a fucking joke it was for you to be forced to throw your life away for Imperial Empire just to secure a future and being so brainwashed that you can flippantly dismiss executing brown people and turn a blind eye to the absolute immiseration propagated by you and your chauvanist ilk.

Did I make you mad? Well, I'm not into killing, and would never kill because of race. You can go to military jail if you follow an order to kill someone because of their race, even if said order was given in the middle east.

If I die, will you do me a favor? Whenever you gas up your car and see the price per gallon was lower by a nickel, could you think of me?

You are literally a willing cuckold with such little self respect that you'd rather hate yourself in exchange for the opportunity to lick boots than engage in a real fight against the "haves" that you purport to understand.

You misunderstand, I want to be a have.

Yet you haven't even taken advantage of the free college yet? tick tock, you'll understand when you're discarded upon no longer being useful

Since when is a middle class, suburban cunt who had a CHOICE to join the army equal to your scenario. People making fucking excuses for mercenaries lol.

The FACT is that his actions have MATERIALLY benefited imperialism. It doesn't fucking matter if he says he's "sorry" while he's comfortable back at home. Actions speak louder than words.

Sort your fucking priorities out. Can a mod ban these LITERAL imperialists?

"probably"
any time now.

Probably still too busy fapping to the kids he murdered. Such a tragedy that the imperialist thief wasn't blown to bits.

Are we to rehabilitate all the rapists and murderers now? Why should we rehabilitate imperial soldiers?

To be fair, the American military often targets people who don't know any better. People should keep this in mind when claiming that it's a purely reactionary institution.

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Confirmed for knowing nothing about the US military. The American military regularly recruits from ghettos and trailer parks, and lies to poor proles with no futures. America may not have official conscription, but for most of the people that join the army is sold to them as the only way out of grinding poverty, addiction, or jail. Sitting on your high horse and claiming that it’s a choice and they are bad for making it is literal bootstraps tier moralizing. Fuck off and actually connect yourself to the situation of the proletariat for a change. There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn’t be recruiting soldiers and veterans to our cause.

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The vast majority of Americans have access to the internet, various trade colleges, and government grants that are handed around like candy. Saying someone has no future just means they're useless retards.
I should know, since I got out the the ghetto because I wasn't some degenerate who wasted every opportunity that came my way.

If you believe that genuine poverty doesn’t exist in America then why are you even a socialist?

Aw wait, you right, I shouldn't be here.
The only genuinely poverty stricken people are who live in the boonies. if you live in the city, you have no excuse.

Still wondering how you can call yourself a leftist if you unironically believe in the bootstraps meme.

Oh it's you again, the fucking cunt who follows me in every thread. The same ol' anarcho-liberal trash who constantly excuses american imperialism.

What you said is vociferously FALSE:

veteranscominghome.org/blogs/why-do-people-enlist-in-the-military-the-answer-might-surprise-you/

freakonomics.com/2008/09/22/who-serves-in-the-military-today/

Poor people who join the military do not go into the infantry, they go into support so they can gain skills that can be used at home.

Middle class adventurist types who want to go abroad and "kill some ragheads" are the type to join the infantry.

Kill yourself cunt.

You know it's not a fucking coincidence that this same black cats cunt has been in every thread I'm in. He was in the thread about "ebil russian imperialism", and he was in the thread defending zionism. This guy is such a fucking subversive imperialist shill.

Can a mod collect this guys posts? He needs outing.

THE PETTY BOOJ ARE THE FIGHTING FORCE OF FASCISM, IT IS NO WONDER THAT THE PETTY BOOJ MAKE UP THE BULK OF THE IMPERIALIST FORCE.

mic.com/articles/59699/one-stat-about-the-u-s-military-that-will-surprise-you#.bODnJy2gn

cfr.org/article/demographics-us-military

lse.ac.uk/News/Research-Highlights/Society-media-and-science/British-Army

Imperialism and petty-booj cunts go hand-in-hand.

Fuck this black cats faggot, seriously go back to fucking Zig Forums you piece of trash.

Defending zionism, obfuscating your own imperialist nations crimes by making false equivalences and now indicting poor people in empire itself. You're a cunt.

Point to me where I said we should recruit from combat troops only. I said that there are a lot of proles in the military, which is true, and that having a subversive presence in the military is useful, which is undeniable. Honestly if anybody is COINTELPRO here it’s you, since I’m arguing in favour of subversion of the bourgeois state and you are unironically saying that this is a bad thing.

The entire fucking thread was about rehabilitating ex-INFANTRY men. Not support, INFANTRY.

Don't carry that goal post too far! It's hard to see it now!

Nice meme, point out a single post I made where I did any of that shit. My position on Israel-Palestine is that a one state solution is the only viable option in the long term, but that it may require a two state solution temporarily. If that’s “defending Zionism” to you then you’re a retard. My position on imperialism is that it should be opposed anywhere and everywhere, regardless of its national origin. If that’s “obfuscating western imperialism” to you then you are, again, a brainlet.

So are you saying that it’s impossible for an infantryman to develop leftist sympathies? And are you saying that having sympathizer in the infantry wouldn’t help our cause? Even if most soldiers are reactionary that doesn’t disprove my point. Every single communist in the military is an asset to us, and a blow against the bourgeois state.

Fuck off I'm not getting into another pointless debate with a dishonest piece of shit.

Who gives a shit about sympathies, he materially benefited empire and helped kill foreign proles. Actions speak louder than words.

Lmao if you think he wouldn't be discharged instantly as soon as other learned of his subversion.

First you would have to prove that any of these opportunist scum are "communists".

God damn you're so naive, you're just an obfuscating wrecker.

And Engels was a literal porky. You realize that it’s possible for people’s political leanings to change dramatically right?

Which is why it’s carried out in secret. Do you think the Bolsheviks announced their subversive tactics to the Tsar? Seriously, explain to me how infiltration if the military is a bad thing.

Prove to me that you’re a communist and not an FBI wrecker who is desperately trying to stop us from subverting the military.

I'm not even a pv2 yet you know.

TOP JEJ.

GREEN TEXT WAR TIME.

MOTHERFUFCKER HAS A PUBLIC PATREON AND HAS BEEN PLASTERED ALL OVER TWITTER. LMAO!!!!!!

HE WAS EVEN ON MAINSTREAM NEWS.

This is what I mean. I can't argue with someone not of this reality. You are in some weird alternate dimension.

The fact that you still think YOU can subvert the military and the state rather than the state subverting leftist organizations speaks VOLUMES. You are NOT OF THIS WORLD.

HISTORY BE DAMNED, LET'S ALL TALK ABOUT MY IDEAL FANTASY LAND!!!!!

Nice strawman.

Why do you think it’s impossible to subvert to the military? Is it because you’re FBI and you are desperately trying to protect the military from leftist subversion?

Fuck wait, this black cats cunt is doing it again. Starting with the false equivalences, comparing Engels to imperialist thugs. Just lol, I'm done.

Hey don't you have some Democrat Cops of America meetings to go to?

If a porky can become a central figure of socialist theory, then a soldier or ex-soldier can become a socialist. Unless you literally think it’s impossible to change their political alignment.

Sorry, I'm not interested in fiction.

Nice argument. I hope you realize how BTFO you get every time your spout your shit.

I'M A VETERAN GODDAMNIT LISTEN TO ME!

Hey I got my parrot to say he's a socialist, he's a socialist now right?

So you think it’s impossible for people to change their political alignment?

Sure, they can never stop being a murderer or imperialist though. Those are crimes - which would be punishable in any non-fascist (non-western) society.

This fucking would try to rehabilitate George Bush if he "came out as a socialist".

First of all, that’s assuming that they are a combat vet. Second, that’s assuming they actually saw combat. Third, that’s assuming they actually killed anybody. So even if we were to reject all such people, we would only be rejecting a tiny minority of actual military personnel. Even so, the fact that you are more concerned with preaching and moralizing than increasing the capacity and effectiveness of our movement speaks volumes. I care about one thing and one thing only when admitting a member into a party or org, and that’s whether or not they will enhance our ability to build a revolution.

You said actions speak louder than words, well if a vet comes along and beats some fascists to a pulp, organizes workers, brings others to our cause, trains us in military skills, gets tear gassed beside me, and knocks a cop’s teeth out then he’s my comrade.

He ain't doing that shit tho.
Also go fuck yourself with "muh good ghetto and trailer park boys" this guys have gangs (bloods and cribs and such) when they are stationed in countries like Korea.

The operative word in your entire post is if.

Because your entire worldview is predicated on fantasy.

In reality these people would only foment more disorientation and complicity with Imperialism like what the D.SA are doing.

Sorry child, time to stop reading harry potter.

There's such a thing as "accomplice to murder" you know. If you're in the infantry, of any imperialist stripe, then you share in the culpability. Again, it's a CHOICE that these people go off KNOWING full well that they COULD kill someone. THEY HAVE ACTIVELY CHOSEN THE OPTION TO KILL PEOPLE.

There were plenty of vets at Standing Rock getting gassed and beat alongside indigenous comrades to protect them from corporate expalpitation. If they are willing to get involved in causes like that and take the heat then they are likely willing to get involved with us.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8GUgwLLDQ

m.youtube.com/watch?v=w8DHx6kkXZo

Nice to know you hate proles and dismiss them as gangbangers. How’s the weather on that petty bourgeois high horse?

That post wasn't from me, I may adopt a trip.

Next you’ll be telling me that wage labour isn’t exploitative because proles CHOOSE it, or that we should let junkies die because it was a CHOICE. Socialists more than anybody should be aware of the conditions of the proletariat, and that these decisions are often based on a lack of options combined with obfuscation and propaganda.

OH MY FUCKING GOD.

I CANNOT BELIEVE IT.

I CANNOT BELIEVE YOUR INABILITY TO READ.

I LITERALLY POSTED 5 ARTICLES ABOVE SHOWING THAT MOST INFANTRY ARE POOLED FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS YET YOU COMPLETELY DISMISSED IT.

Do you have fucking autism, are you incapable of processing phenomenon without making these shit tier analogies? Why do you constantly falsely equate?

Seriously, do you have problems? You equate petty-booj, suburban cunts - who most probably have connections for careers - with junkies?

WHAT?

I'M DONE.

You know what's the worst thing in all of this? That this zionist, imperialist piece of shit hasn't been banned. It's fucking insane.

Is the B.O dead or something? How is he letting this slide?

I’d also like you to know that your autism sustains me.

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Ok now you employ a red herring to cover your bogus logic.

I was LITERALLY replying to you implying that infantry have NO CHOICE but to go over to other countries and KILL POOR PROLES.

I PROVED YOU WRONG.

YOU BACKTRACK AND DIVERT.

YOU ARE DISHONEST. BYE.

There is such things as lumpens you fucking liberals. Also what about the Korean paroles who get arrassed daily by soldiers? What about the one who got killed?
Obviously there are soldiers that come back and regret what they did. But they are tiniest minority

Of course they have a choice, but for many of them that choice is either poverty at some wage slave job they know will get them nowhere or the military, which they think will offer them opportunities, education, etc. They think this because recruiters lie to them, literally tricking them into risking their lives for capital. Add a healthy dose of propaganda and you have yourself a soldier. Our job as communists is to dispel the propaganda, and open their eyes to how badly they are getting fucked. I don’t understand why you think doing this is a bad idea. Saying that it won’t work is objectively untrue, there are plenty of examples of leftist and anti-imperialist vets.

I guess killing brown folk is always better than working in mcdonalds eh?

"Not all of them kill", if you're signing up for the infantry, you have made the tacit decision to kill people. No mental gymnastics can avoid that fact.

Even if they did make that decision, it’s our job to change their minds, make them realize their error, and put the skills they learned in the military to use in the revolution. Again, I care about whether or not they can contribute to our cause, and how they will enhance our effectiveness. Moralism is bourgeois, the morality of the revolution demands that we do whatever is necessary to achieve it, so fretting about shitty things a vet did in the past while still under indoctrination, and letting that get in the way of enhancing your effectiveness as a revolutionary force is retarded.

I’ll remind you that the Bolsheviks accepted Tsarist officers into the ranks of the Red Army, not just conscripts.

Ummm no my argument has little to do with morality, moralism is only used to punctuate a point. I literally stated in one of my first replies that people serving in the military MATERIALLY benefit empire and have made the choice to do so. Made all the worse that they're pooled from the middle class because they have ample opportunity to educate themselves beforehand about war without even needing to be a leftist.

You've moved from rehabilitating veterans to preventing their service altogether, a massive leap from the start of the argument. Maybe you realized its not a hole you want to dig any further.

Besides, I said I was done "debating" with you. You literally fucking reply for the sake of replying, no matter how much I try to clarify my point or drill it into you. You're just a bored cunt looking to be a contrarian. Shoo, be gone.

Also get a trip please. I want to filter you.

And my point is that they can be made to see the error of their ways, and brought into the communist movement, where their skills will be of great use.

Maybe make some points that aren’t garbage then. Your entire argument boils down to “soldiers have voluntarily done bad things in the past so we shouldn’t try to recruit them”. That’s absolutely retarded, and only valid if you put leftcom tier ideological purity above actually getting shit done.

My point was that these soldiers you're trying to "recruit" have historically subverted and ARE subverting leftist organizations. This most recent string of "leftist" veterans are meant to absolve empire. Look at the D.SA.

All kinds of people have historically subverted leftist organizations. Soldiers aren’t the only ones, and furthermore there have been plenty of soldiers who have demonstrated a willingness to join our cause. If the Bolsheviks are willing to recruit Tsarist generals like Brusilov, then I’m willing to recruit a few disgruntled vets and soldiers.

Also D.SA is a huge organization with multiple tendencies, including Marxists. The presence of socdems or imperialist apologists in their ranks doesn’t prove anything.