What are the main arguments against third worldism...

What are the main arguments against third worldism? Obviously unequal exchange can exist and exploitation can be at different levels in different places, exploitation happens more in third world and first world workers get better wages for this. Of course first world workers have an inherent incentive to support imperialism as its what keeps mall economies like the ones they work in afloat. This doesn't mean revolution is impossible in the first world, it does however mean that this has to be removed states for any sort of revolution to happen. Otherwise first world proles will always be labor aristocrats.

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that's why 3rd worldism is wrong though

Dividing the world up into three sets of countries glosses over the realities of unequal development. Large portions of the United States may as well be "third world" (no flush toilets, no paved roads, barely any education, rampant malnutrition, etc.) and there are scattered areas in otherwise undeveloped countries that could pass themselves off as part of the "first world."

very few people in America are as exploited as people in the third world, there is unequal development but you can sort of group countries into mostly labor aristocrats or mostly exploited workers.

It adds up. I think petty booj + professionals + labor aristos are still the majority or plurality in countries like the US, but not by much, and shrinking fast.

Not yet. Also you are forgetting the massive security and surveillance apparatus that the US has at its disposal.

Don't know how many people here would agree, but first world workers are just as important as third world workers; even if they may have the luxury of having more privileges or opportunities.

Third world is vulnerable to imperialism, and any genuine movement will be crushed. It's not a question of theoretical purity, just tactics.

fuck off defeatist shill

Third world ideology is cultural idealism masquerading as anti-imperialism. It is rooted in a hatred of the Western world itself, not its ruling class.

Except that without imperialism the west itself wouldn't even exist as it does today. They would still be murdering eachother for insulting the various kings. The west is cancer and has always been cancer. This obsession that western leftists have with muh enlightenment has got to end. Yeah the west had a bit of a golden "era" (like less than 30 years of legitimate revolutionary fervor lol) but in the end your aristocrats and bourg came out waaaay ahead. They ruined christianity and pretty much every other "good" thing you might have put out. Just let it go user.

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If you don't hate America, Britain, etc. you're not communist. You don't have to hate global north workers to hate the global north.

Anyway yes, literal third worldism is idealist and not based on a historical diamat analysis.

How long does USA have to run wild in South America and France in Africa before you admit it?

How many "genuine movements" have to succeed and persevere for you to shut up?

Socialism will never happen in an imperialist core country. At best socialists in the west should be promoting non-interventionism. However they are content with imperialism just as long as they get their fucking gibs. Fortunately the west is about to get a taste of what true capitalism is like. The next recession will destroy American hegemony (god willing) and turn the world back into the multi-polar hell hole it needs to be for socialism to exist.

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One.


Not during times of stability, no. But right after the imperialist core is reduced to ashes, maybe (Czech coup, crisis in France and Italy in 1947). That's when the third world has a chance too. The question is what, if anything, we can do to trigger another World War.

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Ok, so you are a rank chauvinist.

Calm down, Phil.

Great all around post but this stuck out to me:


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not an argument. never was.