Isn't it weird that Zig Forums used to denounce right wing ideology as human vs orc yet readily accepts the ideology...

Isn't it weird that Zig Forums used to denounce right wing ideology as human vs orc yet readily accepts the ideology that paints the US as the great Satan and any countries fighting against it is literally angels and saints (as in literally Saint Marx, Saint Lenin, Saint Stalin…)?

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America is Satan bro, have you ever lived here?

So you unironically believe that America is Satan/hell on Earth?

Have you ever visited America?

yeah but he's taking the term "great satan" literally

I actually live here, it's a shitshow

Read a fucking book, OP.

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Also did you know, in the original great Satan analogy, America was the great satan but the USSR was still the lesser satan?

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You are gonna get banned if you denounce Iran here, and it's not even a communist country dude.

Like this?

Is this unironically how it looks to Zig Forums?

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no dumbass

let's not fool ourselves, none of these Zig Forumsacks actually read anything

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Not all of us are Marcyites user, though I will admit that the BO and Christcom user have a very meme tier understanding of Lenin's theory of Imperialism. America does suck ass though, but viewing anything as good/evil is inherently reactionary.

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Yeah, due to BO and some other mods. It's not our fault that all of them are brainlets. They don't all reflect our attitudes.

Literally point out where everyone on this board made the saints vs angels, post the comment in context if there is one, and stop acting like a dipshit.

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Why don't you go cry back at Zig Forums. Go cry in your liberal torture chamber.

Also America is the most sadistic country on earth filled with criminals and whores.

this guy isn't from Zig Forums, he's clearly a /polyp/

Search archive and you can literally see posts about Saint Max saint Stalin saint Lenin vs the Satain america.

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this

Again, give us proofs. Where is it in the archive, and where does it show that all of leftypol is in total agreement that Marx, Lenin and Stalin are saints?

Dude, not all Zig Forums need think like that in order for it to be true, just need SOME of Zig Forums.

Listen to our popular music. We're a nation of unabashed Satanists.

Si

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A false equivalence. Leftists assess that the USA is the global capitalist superpower, because it is. It is also viewed to be detrimental to many on the planet due to both economic and military imperialism that provides the greatest barrier to realising our goals of moving foreward from capital. This is based on an understanding of current and past events as well as a, at least passing, understanding of the literature and accociated ideaologies.
The orcs Vs humans idea from the right is based on a tabletop game with concepts and ideas that are simple to grasp. As opposed to looking at the effects of 21st century economics or warfare it's
much easier to just pick a fiction at random and apply it so your side looks like mighty hero's or some shit and your enemies look like goblins or something. It's no different to any politically ignorant mainstream thought, see centrists explaining politics through the lens of Harry potter or star wars.
Try reading a book /pol

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I don't think these music videos present mainstream views of America tbh.

So then again, it doesn't reflect the entirety of the board. I'm still waiting for the proof that Zig Forums views marx, lenin, and stalin as saints from the so called "archive" you have seen.

Except Zig Forums literally accepts America as the empire, and all other factions fighting it to be the rebels alliance, which is a Star Wars analogue.

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But this view is popular on Zig Forums, muh anti-imperalist…

Doesn't need to reflect the entire of the board to be true, tbh.

Also check out the military emblems.

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So are these official?

Based on materialist analysis of capitalism. Yes, the US conducts imperialism to the detriment of others. If you read a fucking book you'd know that most communists would view imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism.

However, where in the name of good fuck did you get the notion of leftypol LARPING as rebels from star wars? Are you legit saying we empathise with an alliance consisting of monarchs, knights and class collaborators? Where the fuck did you get this retarded notion?


Except you made the opening post stating that this was the nature of the entire board, you raging dumb-cunt.

They are the most popular artists today. Taylor Swift also has a bit of Satanic imagery. If you're American, have you ever heard a good church going Christian citizen ever say: "i'm going to hell for this." ?
It's a very popular expression here.

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Of course. There are probably a lot more ones with outright satanic devils and horns shit, this was just a cursory search. I also skipped a lot of spoopy shit with dragons and wizards and skulls that weren't explicitly referencing demons.

I think it can be accepted by both of us that America is a country that exerts power globally with military and economic force. It's on a much grander scale, but is analogous to the British empire, the Greek empire, the holy Roman empire etc.
When we use the word empire and imperialism we are not talking about stormtroopers and tie fighters and cartoonish villians. Were using a word that has existed for centuries to describe the reality of large globally influential powers. For us it has extra connotations as it is used to describe the the highest stage of capital, in contrast with say the early 18th century industrial revolutions for example.
You are confusing us with liberals. I advise a healthy dose of books so you can successfully criticize us, and I assure you it's easy to do so once you understand our accociated ideaologies.

We had to stop the Human vs Orc thing once pic related became popular
Dont wanna help push a meme that is so effective on normies.

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user are you making a video game and came here for world building?

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I would put the US empire just below the Chinese empire at the moment. In terms of power and influence.
China is making huge growth in places like Africa.

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Is this another spambot employed to keep our board activity up?

a lot of influential american/transatlantic neocon/neoreactionary political and corporate elitists worship lucifer (or whatever they call it) more or less openly or secretly in order to climb higher on the career path. it's really a thing a lot of successful persons are confronted with sooner or later. i don't give a fuck whether it's ironic or whether those who join that cult in one form or another are actual believers - it doesn't matter. what does matter is that their ideology sort of gives them an excuse to be straight up evil which contributes to the failure that capitalism is and to all the misery it creates.

Is this another spambot employed to keep our board activity up?

Yupp, I don't think you have to belive in black magic and the devil and what not to see this is some kind of guiding philosophy for the american government and overall power structure. Even if you don't believe in the concept of evil, they clearly do and they believe in doing it intentionally. It's the only way their actions and rhetoric make any sense.

Im not posting spam images.

It's not spam because it was pertinent to the subject at hand. Your posts are useless bitch whining.

How are they related?

None of them seem to makes sense. They resemble those 'meme war veteran' patches that get posted on pol.

Ok, I guess it's fine to think that.
I would agree China has large scale influence, but most transactions are backed by the doller, and the vast majority of military and economic influence is still related to the American empire through puppet states i.e NATO, invaded territories or places the US has influenced and flipped power structures to install US friendly governments.
Global Power structures are shifting and the status quo doller backed global debt and economy from the 70s to aprox 2008 is showing some cracks. But its objectively wrong to place China above it in global power. Its unlikely to surplant the USA through current global structures unless the US implodes entirely. And if China survived the fallout of the fall of American capital and becomes a pure capitalist exploitative imperial power that assassinates comrades and invades places for resources we would oppose it the same way we oppose the US.

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See, you're criminally retarded, probably underaged as well. Please go back to 4chan. Do you know what a meme is? Do you know what parody is? Do you watch thundercats amd ask why they are ripping of robot chicken. How are you this dumb, please, how?

Besides looking at this from a nationalist perspective is completely narrowminded. The entire world is controlled by the same multinational cabal. There is no American imperialism. America is just the top mercenary army in the group. If China's military ever became powerful enough, they'd become the no. 1 mercenary army.

So the idea is to mock the patches that pol has?

That an evil cabal is ruling over us is a simplified and easy to understand concept applied to real life, similar to the media focused narratives like orcs Vs human.
The problem is systematic and lies with the economic relationships underpinning 21st century economics and the contradictions stemming from them. Bourgeois will act in accordance to protect and grow their own holdings and power, within the limitations and scope of the economic system they are a part of up too and including seeking arms, killing people, disrupting local and global ecology etc.
Books are a good friend here, not comic books or teen fictions, but ones specifically related to the ideaologies present on leftypol.
Simplyifing problems into black Vs white, good Vs evil, secret cabal Vs rebels is fucking retarded. The system itself is the inherent issue and how to develop foreward from beyond this point is the central issue for actual leftists.

You're still not getting it. These are all official United States Military and intelligence agency patches. You may have seen them on Zig Forums before with pepe's face edited on to them as a meme. Does it make sense to you yet? I posted them because we were talking about whether america is satanist or not, so I was demonstrating the plethora of american military patches with demon or black magic iconography. Make sense?

Thanks for explaining.

My theory is that because Americans are usually massive Christfags, the ones that arent Christfags are super edgelords and make badges like that.

You got triggered by the word cabal? Syndicate? Is that less offensive? Reading some books hasn't worked in the century and a half since Marx started. Why would it suddenly work now? All of the literature just becomes ever increasingly outdated. "Leftists" are hardly better than religous nuts it seems when it comes to being tied to reality and the present.

'Saint Max' was a sarcastic comment made by Marx against Max Stirner in his book 'The German Ideology'

Not triggered really. I am fascinated by people coming here and criticising us for something we're not doing.
You seem easily distracted and it can be difficult to talk to someone with a short attention span.
Let's get back on topic:
Op came here to accuse us of engaging in this behaviour. Regardless of your assesments of our literature or effectiveness of our ideaologies, we do not engage in the orcs Vs humans mindset. Our assesment is that there is serious systamatic issues related to how our current economic model functions and that there is a change required. The demographic and *good or bad* intentions of the "winners" in the current system is, frankly irrelevant.
The concept of good or bad guys is the responsibility and focus of other political outlooks. The right seems focused on this, as do liberals. Its just not a core part of Zig Forumss collective ideaologies.
I really think you have us confused for liberals or centrists.
This is why I advise books, not to convert you or make you a socialist, but to understand what your are critising so you don't look like such a flailing retard. Think of the conversations and debates we could have on here beyond "lol you r a star wars". Actual top tier bait as opposed to this nonsense.

There, five pages and a decent introduction to why we have the views we do.
Not heavy reading, not mathematics, little prior knowledge required and not even an obscure source.

This is why we are losing.

good luck with fighting an arcane "system", that is, according to you, neither good nor bad, with books, while a very real cabal of mischievous persons also known as capitalists is fighting you using fraudulent (work) contracts, unjust legislation, manipulated jurisdiction, military power and more.
here's a book i recommend you to read:
"critique of political economy" by karl marx.
in it he states that being determines consciousness, not the other way around. you may reflect over that with regard to your arcane "system".

I'm not offering it as the be all and end all of socialist literature, or to address other critisisms of socialism or the authors intent/style nor even as a defence of our ideaologies. All I'm doing is showcasing how the original premise stated by OP is incorrect. We don't engage in orcs Vs humans behaviour. It's well documented, like in linked materiel, how we interpret the world and reality, and that's not through the lens of modern media.
Attempt to stay on topic: Einstein assess that humans have had predatory nature for centuries I.e
Conqurers, empires, big corporates. Just like commenters on here talking about cabals, or OP saying we engage in good Vs evil narratives.
Now pay close attention and focus: Einstein goes on to state the socialist assessments; there is systamatic issues related to the current economic relations that must be resolved through communal action. It's not to overthrow evil but to find a better way and move humanity forwards.
Keeping this in mind, and remembering what OP
was talking about: This is shared by all socialists. my original point stands; OP is incorrect. The irony expressed in their post doesn't exist because we don't engage in orcs Vs humans thought. The US is an empire to be opposed due to its systamatic flaws, not due to moralistic arguements or because we believe real life is like a tabletop game.
I really don't know how many more times I have to restate this point. And this is the only point I'm making to be clear.
Frankly I think you folks came here with bad bait, and that's about it. I don't expect much but I do hope you find a way to make better stuff. This is just bad craic all round.
TL;DR: "no u r the epic space wars man lol triggered"

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You're strawmanning. Also you're making this as black and white as your star wars analogy. Making your false dichotomy of the enlightened leftist vs. the ignorant plebs. Your disdain for the average person is one reason elitists like you will never make any headway with anything other then finding your place as a cog on the gear of capitalism. You have no solutions, you have no special insight, you're a slave to the system as much as anyone else, yet you want to be able to pat yourself on the back despite being powerless to change anything about the system anymore than all the ignorant plebs you look down on.

Yeah it is relevant. Some people are more inclined to do good some people are more inclined to do evil. To put it another way, some people are more inclined to be selfless, some people are more inclined to be selfish. In a system which openly says the guiding philosophy is "greed is good" you already know which type are in charge. It's not possible for a selfless person to rise in this system. Even if he's smart about it and true to his convictions, the selfish ones will weed him out lest he fuck up the scam for the rest of them. Take for example the honest cop on the corrupt police force.

All this "We dare not call the enemies oppressing us evil for that might make us look like meanies!" Is fucking retarded. You don't fucking throw one punch in a fight. You feint, jab, dodge, and keep swinging until they're down. You're more interested in semantics and internal debates than you are in winning because you don't really want for leftists to win.

No, I'm not saying I'm enlightened or some shit. And how am I an elitist. I'm not university educated and I work selling products to the upper-class in a country where my political viewpoint is basically unrepresented and barely understood more than that i make enough to cover my living expenses and not much else. I own no private property. My power is limited to say the least. Its odd to have to keep the debate objective by reminding you what it's about. Its not strawmaning to use the star wars analogy, it's the focus of the thread. I'll refer you too OP.
Idon't use moralism based on tabletop games to make my arguements like OP suggested when he framed the debate in his post up above, at the top of the thread. I suspect most on the far left would not either. I also don't accept that figure on the left are treated like saints. Marx was a dude and had human faults. His analysis and work is invaluable in understanding capital however.
I never suggested being nice to my political opponents, I expect nothing from them and they should expect nothing from me. Your putting words in my mouth and attempting to fight an arguement I'm not making. If you believe the fight for the left should be framed as good guys Vs bad guys, good luck to you. That mentality is not something I'm willing to submit too especially with the nationalistic elements of leftism in my own country selling us out and abandoning leftist economics entirely time and time again and violently suppressing those of us who do not. Unworkable and short term compromises are made in the name of defeating the "other".
Ownership of the means of production and a workers democracy all in the name of solving the contradictions presented to us by capitalism. All who stand in the way and form a counter Revolution should be fought against fiercely, not because they are "evil", but because they stand in the way of success.
Tbh anything I say Will be ignored, and you'll probably say that my rejection of moralistic viewpoints is in itself somehow moralistic and that I'm strawmaning by engaging with OPs post. I'm not sure what that would be based on but it doesn't matter. Your cannot seem to accept the frame of the thread that is referenced at the top of the thread, in OPs post.
Ill say it again. OP is wrong, most of leftypol is leftist, and unlikely to see the world in a Warhammer type narriative. Spending some time lurking or doing basic research would tell you this.

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