Majority Report with Sam Seder

One is a liberal socdem and the other atleast claims to be a socialist.
Liberal be gone

he even calls himself a Marxist now and then

They make fun of Jimmy Dore because his whole argument for protest voting was fine because he said Trump wouldn't be able to pick new SCOTUS because Dems could filibuster or something. And now Trump already has 2 SCOTUS picks. Jimmy was completely wrong and Sam Seder was right. Voting has consequences.

are you retarded?

are you retarded?

right or wrong, a socialist should understand that most of our problems are systemic and a mere shuffling of leaders beholden to the same laws and corporate doners isn't going to fundamentally change anything, especially when their words and actions suggest they favor the worst aspects of the status quo. if you think voting for hilary was the right thing to do, okay, whatever, but there's something so absurd about a self-proclaimed "socialist" with feral, animal hatred for jill stein voters.

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shitty meme. hilary isn't a social democrat. her economic policies would be seen as far-right in most european countries. and no one suggested voting for trump, merely abstaining or voting third party.

Having right wing Supreme Court justices is a real thing and I don't see what's wrong with acknowledging it. Just because an action doesn't immediately result in socialist revolution means it should ignored and cast aside?

Every justice ever has been right wing. Why don't you acknowledge that, liberal.

There's no such thing as a good court justice. If anything the recent union decision might end up radicalizing workers more. The supreme court is a garbage institution and the sooner you realize that the better.
That's a ridiculous strawman. It should be ignored because all you're doing is switching one set of neoliberal stooges with another. Same shit, different coat of paint. Democratic judges and other candidates will, at best, result in the same erosion of worker's rights at a slower pace, all while telling you the piss falling on your head is actually rain. The only thing voting under liberal democracy is good for is accelerating the inherent contradictions of the capitalist system it upholds.

Sure, now acknowledge that there's a difference between a judge that wants to overturn things like Roe v Wade and one that doesn't, LARPer.

Marx and Lenin disagree

it doesn't

they're wrong lol

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he made a thread on Chapo Trap House shilling his show

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marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm

>As soon as the new governments have established themselves, their struggle against the workers will begin. If the workers are to be able to forcibly oppose the democratic petty bourgeois it is essential above all for them to be independently organized and centralized in clubs. At the soonest possible moment after the overthrow of the present governments, the Central Committee will come to Germany and will immediately convene a Congress, submitting to it the necessary proposals for the centralization of the workers’ clubs under a directorate established at the movement’s center of operations. The speedy organization of at least provincial connections between the workers’ clubs is one of the prime requirements for the strengthening and development of the workers’ party; the immediate result of the overthrow of the existing governments will be the election of a national representative body. Here the proletariat must take care: 1) that by sharp practices local authorities and government commissioners do not, under any pretext whatsoever, exclude any section of workers; 2) that workers’ candidates are nominated everywhere in opposition to bourgeois-democratic candidates. As far as possible they should be League members and their election should be pursued by all possible means. Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.

i.e., choosing between either ruling class party is a waste of time, only a worker's party made whole-cloth be able to make any ground. Comparing the choice between Democrats and Republicans to the style of parliamentary politics Marx or Lenin engaged in is completely laughable.

Sam's got a nice voice. Not faulty with any lisps like I have, not the monotonous deep fake radio voice people. I'm sitting in bed wrapped in my blankey, sipping on coco, falling asleep to his voice right now and there's nothing better.

bumping

Does anyone else here feel like hating on imperfect allies isn't good praxis? Michael Brooks can say some pretty dope shit from time to time, and when it comes to it, red liberals like Sam Seder could potentially pick our side against authoritarian capitalism. We need to get all the sympathy we can get at this point. Just get people to consider our perspective. That's how we move forward, not by being purists.
Let's listen to people like this and engage in thoughtful critique of their positions. It would do a lot more good than insisting that they're bourgeois cucks and ignoring them entirely.

They are the enemy not imperfect not allies

How is Michael Brooks not an ally? Because he dislikes Jimmy Dore? Because he lets Sam Seder defend Hillary over Trump? Those are shit reasons.
We need to have a bit more sympathy for people who aren't yet communists. They can be converted, and need to be converted if we are to succeed. I don't buy the "workers will naturally favor communism" crap. We need allies in all strata of society, especially in the media. Marx and Engels were (petit-)bourgeois themselves. So let's please not alienate them, that's exactly what CIA operatives would like us to do. It wouldn't surprise me if there are government and private troll-farms encouraging exactly that sort of animosity between left-wing voices.

This is an incredibly black and white way of looking at things. Trust me, I hate them, I really do. But libs like him have much greater numbers of views than your average marxist youtuber. We should be attempting to push them to the left no matter how futile it may be.

This comes from the common misunderstanding that liberals really care for what they advocate for or that they are misguided. They are everybit as awful and anti communist as conservatives or whatever other brand

Wanna know how I can tell you're really new to this board?

This definitely applies for the liberal establishment, but for more fringe figures I'm not so sure. It also doesn't work for the liberal population, who are generally just poorly informed. Sam Seder may still belong to the clique you're referring to, but Michael Brooks probably doesn't, at least by my account.

I don't think most are completely indifferent, just that the material conditions of their lives coupled with their implicit acceptance of the dominant capitalist ideology can lead them astray.
Our job is to make sure this doesn't happen so they don't take their massive audience with them.

This reasoning could be applied to fascists too

In some cases it may, but they're much harder to reach like this. Social liberals at least share most of our sense of morality, fascists are just plain evil.

Lol. What is this reddit shit?

Social liberalism is basically "yeah, yeah, the demands of socialists are basically correct, but capitalism is better at meeting them than anything else can ever be. Neoliberalism is the only possible system." Fascism just straight up goes into racial superiority and such. Hierarchy isn't considered a necessary evil, but inherently good. It's just fundamentally stupid and wrong, while liberalism is simply misguided, complacent, and hypocritical.

This is not true at all

They both sound fundamentally stupid and wrong

why do you bother watching his trash to begin with?
just watch Wolff and Dore

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