Is China really a socialist country if they banned homosexuality, extramarital affairs...

Is China really a socialist country if they banned homosexuality, extramarital affairs, one night stands and underage relationships from TV?


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Source: theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/04/china-bans-gay-people-television-clampdown-xi-jinping-censorship

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China is not socialist, but definitely not because of these reasons.

China is a communist, pro-labour regime, a capitalist economy;

Restrictions of all the mentioned things are correct. The insidious LGBT manufactured identity, which, actually, makes things worse for homosexuals in many ways.

China is not a socialist country, but because of the shit you listed

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So what about it? Communism means Marxist-Leninist political system. Capitalism means the economy. Noone in his right mind would argue that Lenin's USSR was 100% capitalist, even if opinions may vary about Stalin post-collectivisaton times.

"Socialism is when you can watch a man have an extramarital affair by having a one night stand with a little boy on the television." - Karl Marx

Marxism = means of production goes to workers or at least makes every effort to move towards that system. We don't see it in China. It's leaders are as porky they come.

No it does not. Communism is a mode of production, it is a classless and stateless society.

Communism means Marxist-Leninist political system. Capitalism means the economy.


bullshit
I can tell people I have a boyfriend in the midwest US and I don't get people publicly shocked which wouldn't have been true even ten years ago

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It is a second and fairly uncommon meaning. Noone anywhere close to the mainstream utilizes it, and it is senseless because communist formation is completely off the board of current social issues.

America gives tax cuts to the rich, China gives Tax cuts (and quite massive at that) to the poor, and economic policies in general favour the workers.

To that I have no facts, and it probably is different worldwide. It definitely is cultural imperialism outside of the US and the West.

China has also banned things like tattoos and somking from TV but China is really conservative in these regards but discrimination of LGTB folk isn't too great there but on the otherside openess about it is also not very great, but these things don't really make China not socialist, for example recognition of LGBTQ People started first in the 2000 after Mao

Hong Kong ranks #1 on the economic freedom index and has top ranked on a crony index. Does that sound like socialism to you?

Can I see some data that proves your comparison of American and Chinese tax policy?

Sure:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act_of_2017

xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/19/c_137265763.htm

Dengists on their olympic-level mental gymnastics again

Anarchiddies denying any progress unless it's full communism and non participating in struggles of the working man no matter what as usual.

Deng did more for the proletariat even before he took control of China than all Anarchists combined.

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China's hardly a gay utopia but I'd rather live there than India where the cops will just straight up gang-rape you for being gay. Not kidding.

I hear Chengdu is nice.

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Are they helping cooperative businesses?

Dated a guy from there who was a gay rights activist. Situation is fuuuuuucked.

There are some communes and cooperatives that were successful in Mao's era, and they still remain (and are paraded as the socialist future), but they don't spawn transformation of the whole economy.
Here is some shitty porky reports:
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I'd add that homosexuality is not illegal in China. It is illegal in India (though transgenderism is allowed).

Not an expert but the way China rolls is they don't like advocacy groups operating outside the party framework. Cuba is the same way. There are gay rights activists in Cuba (including the current president, Miguel Díaz-Canel) but they came up through the party. China also bans hate speech targeting ethnic minority groups, where in India the folks who engage in hate speech are running the government.

Some of the articles in the OP about China are also old.



foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/17/its-still-just-about-ok-to-be-gay-in-china/

Apparently Weibo screwed up because a few days after the company banned LGBT content, the People's Daily came out with a pro-LGBT editorial.

I would think the Hinduistic religion would be ok with the gay. But growing up with a childhood best friend from Punjabi showed me how fucked their society is.

Thanks my porky friend.

But really, I mean it's good that they helped foster this years ago, but are they making any serious strides? What's taking so long?

In other words, what are they doing now, in a significant sense, other than tax cuts, that seeks to give workers the means of production? The more incremental step to it that I can think of is pouring tons of money in giving loans to cooperative start-ups. Something like this would get me to take it seriously.

That actually makes sense seeing as how their Gods (God) are trans. Showing masculine and feminine traits. Some even having multiple forms.

Hong Kong is a special case, there were certain conditions made when it was handed over to China in 97.

I don't think China is socialist either though btw, but bad example.

If it would be time for nationwide shift to socialism, Socialized forms of production would have to demonstrate their success on a lower scale, and that did not happen yet. At least there is opportunity for them to grow and evolve.

In a world of global reaction, not kneeling down to it/to the interest of the capitalist class is a significant achievement alone.

England was a very much aristocratic and feudal state, yet it was England, and not France or other radically Liberal attempts that became the locomotive of Capitalism and Liberalism.

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Ok, so let me make sure I understand your narrative.

We live under a world enveloped by global capitalism that will stop at nothing to repress any attempts as revolution. A way to go around this is to use capitalism against capitalism; Crush the powers that be at their own game until the moment arises where you can safely and successful emerge into socialism without the threat of global reaction; Because you've beaten those that could have stopped you, you are now able to build this world without outside pressures.

However, if they become lax now, and allow the US and other powerhouses to maintain their might and overpower, we only ensure capitalisms survival.

Is that your argument?

If it is, I feel kind of underwhelmed with how far they are pushing it. I don't see any real reason to build up cooperatives now. It's not like they can't compete on the world scale. If anything, they'll do better because people are overall happier, wealthier, having a say at the workplace because the workplace has been democratized, and people feel they have purpose since they aren't alienated from their labor.

How can I be sure this isn't a means to ensure capitalism stays afloat? Why should I trust the intentions of the leaders?

От одного названия уже коробит, лул.

They are socialist, but only by virtue of the fact the haven't had a bourgeois revolution against them yet. They are still socialist in the same way a hang nail is still a nail. Like fuck, if we're going to give Khrushchev the shit the rightly deserves, then China deserves it as well.

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socialism with anti-degeneracy laws? we've seen this before

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Who cares? You need to see people with your same sexual preference on television to give you some sort of meaning in life? Lol. Read a fuckin self-help book if your self-esteem has gotten that low.

Fukn kek this is the end game for ☭TANKIE☭s

Unruhe thinks China is capitalist and imperialist. But your argument is nonsense. Would a socialist country suddenly be capitalist if it banned one night stands form TV? That's beyond silly.

A """socialist country""" which has the same moral attitudes about sex as conservative religious institutions is also silly.

Socialism is about economics, not what you stick your dick in. This thread is stupid.

china is about to introduce an electronic "good citizen" score, which will automatically punish "bad behaviour".

independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/china-social-credit-system-punishments-rewards-explained-a8297486.html

billionaire types like jack ma are obviously above that system.

that system absolutely horrible fascist repression and it would still be horrible in a socialist environment.

This

China is soc.ially conservative actually reactionary neo-colonialist capitalism gang. If you think China is a socialist country or a progressive force in the world in any way other than being a counter balance to American hegemony you should fucking kill yourself.


If it's such a non-issue why do you think it's necessary or acceptable to ban it? Do you know what soc.ially conservative filters to on this board, you newfag reddit ☭TANKIE☭?

It's almost like they do not want their children to become degenerates

Or mudslimes to take over their political power/birthright

You can be authoritarian and capitalist. Not all capitalism has to be degenerate or neo liberal in practice. Just as the USSR was not Maoism was not third worldism

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lmao

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China is doing neo-colonialism in Africa.

Nope.

This basically, though I'd still argue that China is still more secular than the US for obvious reasons

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Socialism doesn’t mean rampant fun and sexual freakshows

but it does mean rampant sexual and freakish fun

Take a read of pambazuka.org/emerging-powers/chinese-investments-africa-chopsticks-mercantilism you find very similar practices of exploiting the African need for foreign capital to secure heavily unbalanced deals. For instance offering to repay a 3 Billion dollars debt in Ghana in exchange for 8.1 Billion dollars worth of crude oil.

Yeah but you see China is Socialist™ so it literally by definition cannot be neo-colonialist.

I've read some stuff supporting the argument that China is socialist and I've got some questions regarding some common arguments.
If China is a socialist and anti-imperialist force in the world, then why does it allow foreign multinationals to exploit its workers instead of providing jobs for the workers that will also contribute to building up productive forces? If they are only using capitalism to build up productive forces, at which point will they stop? Seriously, when has enough been built? Why allow unemployment to exist, why not use that manpower to build up productive forces? Where is the proof that labor and land are no longer traded according to their exchange value (as commodities)? Particularly considering things like leasing land from Vietnam? Also, isn't housing priced according to market value? What about food?

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I really hope Xi doesn't start to crack down on the extreme music scene in China as part of his moralfagging crusade

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fucking moralfag actually reactionary ☭TANKIE☭s at it again, fuck off into North Korea and stay there thank you

you have some balls m8, I thought all Dengists do self-castration as part of their initiation into Socialism™ with Chinese Characteristics®️

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Literally what does a ban on that shit from Chinese TV have to do with whether China is now socialist or capitalist?

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Underrated.

Socialism has nothing to do with social policy

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wrong.

Omg I hate dengists so fucking much bye

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China is so due for a revolution that its not even funny.

why would it not be socialist because of these reasons. socialism is just collective social ownership and worker's owning the means of production. whatever values they have are theirs to decide, be they religious, conservative, libertine, collective, or any other social value they may have. i may be incorrect about this as i am not super familiar with these kinds of things and mostly come here to look at the funny right wing fellows at the rallies

wtf I didn't know China was based. Maybe they're not all bad

BASED judeo-christian values with Chinese characteristics

you mean Confucianism

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