Why did the USSR and Czechoslovakia vote in favour of the UN's 1947 partition plan for Palestine...

If I recall correctly, he had toured a few kibbutzim a few years earlier, and the experience had been sufficient to convince him that Israel would be red. Now what other proposed ethnostate in the middle east with American backing happens to have some workers cooperatives? rly maek u thonk

But Zionism in its origins was about national liberation, being a jewish nationalist in the late 40s was completely different from being a jewish nationalist today.

eeeh…
i'm not sure about that
there was just a different situation after '45 and the opportunity to influence it in our favor, but generally zionism isn't really national liberation
i had some really good source on that but since my first reply i can't focus and think of it

But for example (correct me if I'm wrong though) werent most early zionists atheists? I'm pretty sure the guy that invented zionism was atheist, but even if early zionism wasn't about national liberation, it's understandable why the soviets would support them.

Even in the 20s and 30s there were violent disputes between Jewish landowners who bought out now insolvent Turkish landowners and the Palestinian peasants that they tried to eject from the land to make way for Jewish settlement.

I see, so the soviets weren't aware of this?

This was well known information. In 1936 the British Mandatory Government had convened the Peel Commission to investigate the causes of unrest among the arab population after a strike. I can't really say what the politburo was thinking, but they certainly weren't totally oblivious to the situation.

No, Zionism was always rotten to the core. Ben Gurion said that the Holocaust was worth it if it scared Jews into moving to Israel.

Because the Soviet embassy to the UN was already under khrushovite control. The same shit happened three years later for Korea, where they disguised their stupid actions under the cover of the protest for the China's seat.

What's this revisionist trash doing on Zig Forums? Zionism is predicated and was always predicated on imperialism and ethnic supremacy.

Ok, maybe not national liberation, but it was most definitely not predicated around imperialism and ethnic supremacy.

there's still that jewish oblast that they created as some alternative
iirc they weren't thrilled about the idea of an Israel and zionism but they tried to deal with it by taking influence and take that chance rather than straight up open hostility from the start

That was the Autonomous Jewish Oblast right? It was in Siberia was it not?

It's in the Far East, bordering China. It is actually relatively warm and has good agricultural climate, it's not lolsiberia

yes
a socialist created jewish oblast relatively close to japan that waves a proud rainbow flag
it's great

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Zionism back then isn't the same as zionism today.

>Great Stalin, father of nations, architect of socialism, leader of progressive humanity, can't be wrong, that's all because of jewish tricks revisionists!

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This but unironically

Considering that Palestinians were and still are incapable of socialism, it was a far better option than leaving them to their own devices. As it stands they already slaughter folks for bullshit reasons, and we have enough Arab countries that do that perfectly well, we dont need another organized crime syndicate.

When it came to the Israeli question, the soviets cared more about Real Politiks than being consistent in their opposition to western imperialism . Having an aliance with Israel would have ensured that the Soviets had the balance of power in the oil rich and geopolitically important Middle East and access to Jewish talent, who would have helped Soviet industry to be competitive with the west.

I wonder who is behind this post

Soviet industry still *is* far better than western one simply by design. A lot of people in Eastern Europe still use Soviet industrial goods like fridge or washing machines, while western goods are designed to be broken.

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A socialist who isn't delusional?

???

Delusional would be thinking of a settler-colonial project which has played leading role in the suppression of the left in neighbouring states as something preferable to giving them a few decades to develop the productive forces.

The ABSOLUTE STATE of Marxist-Leninism

After thirty years they are still using those appliances? Show me.

hmm, who do we have here?

learn who was the USSR ambassador to the UN and shut the fuck up.

czecholslovakia didn't turn communist until 1948

Easiest example is that you can still buy Soviet made cars,
carandclassic.co.uk/list/521/

another good source on the subject mater.
quora.com/Did-products-and-home-appliances-last-more-in-the-Soviet-Union-than-in-the-capitalistic-world

Interestingly the the first answer states that he is still using Soviet made goods, but he is also complaining about quality, I guess he is just insanely pro west.

The Il-62M variant became the longest-serving model in its airliner class (average age of examples in service as of 2016 is over 32 years).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-62

Now that's badass.

Beacause USSR was ruled by kikes.