Vietnam is NOT socialist

Goddamn it Vietnamese chicks are so hot. Their bodies haven't been ravaged by American fast food yet. And they have big titties probably from all the agent orange
Hhhhngg something like this airline was inevitable.

t. jelly roastie

Socialism is when there are no woman in bikinis, the less bikini there are, the socialister it is

The one on the left is a good advertisement picture, but the one on the right is disappointing.
If they're going to make a red light district with wings they should reconsider their hiring choices.

Not to Unruhe (or Marxist-Leninists in general), it isn't. For example, Unruhe (and Marxist-Leninists) in general argue that Stalin and pre-Stalin USSR had a socialist government, so that means the economic system was socialist. They then claim that Khrushchev turned the USSR revisionist which made both the government and the economic system in the USSR state capitalist.

It's an idiotic way of looking at things, but it's how Marxist-Leninists view the world, so I criticize them on their own terms.

Oh, but then they also somehow still critisize Gorbachev for "betraying the revolution" even though, by their logic, the USSR was already state capitalist so there was no revolution left to betray by Gorbachev's time.

why are we caring so much about roo again?

But yeah this seems really worrying, disgustingly sexist and a socialist state should definetly put an end to that.

But all bikini Airlines, of course, aren't a criteria of a socialist State, it is still disgusting and goes against Marxist Feminism

based vietnam

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I've heard him make that distinction several times.

Jason is not even a Marxist-Leninist.

Some people argue that Khrushchev was a revisionist but the USSR remained socialist. Some people argue that reforms that took place under Khrushchev took the USSR on a path that eventually restored capitalism. The only people who really argue that a ruling party having a revisionist ideology changes it's status as a socialist country are MLM's.

Different self-described ML's say different things. You're acting like all self-described ML's are supposed to believe the same things on every question and when you notice they say things that contradict each other you think that means you've owned them epic style.

Im conflicted between this.

My heart says no but my benis says yes.

This two are so bangable ffs

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I'm… er… going to need to see some more examples before I decide my position on this very important matter.

I don't care about feminist morals, but it's sad to see men in this thread willing put up women for any kind of lite prostitution. All those women could have done something more dignifying with their lives, instead of being whores for rich people and jews.

The kikes are truly behind everything aren't they?

i knew you guys would enjoy that surprise. Though this thread is disgraceful, aren't you guys suppose to be against oppression? This is not something a communist or socialist should lust after, I'm not even a communist/socialist and it speaks volumes to me.

I don't see oppression here mate

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Tbh this shit is a little low ,even for capitalists

Go talk on Kiwifarms with this shit, leave this board clean.
kiwifarms.net/threads/jason-unruhe-maoist-rebel-news.11068/

I mean as long as it's meant for US to enjoy, i.e forigners and not the proud Vietnamese people it's okay r-right guys?

If you watched the video the author describes it as liberal capitalism, which is a very good summary of this. As someone whos from impoverish homeland (almost identical to veitnam) with shamefully legal prostitutes in broad day light. It's really disgusting how many Americans would defend it or claim it as liberation for women to work sex worker jobs. Bikini air lines are just one step from that. Where are the feminists now?

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I'm ideologically against it personally but muh dik is too strong tbh.

The women are not there for you, they're there for rich people. economical cuckolding

Well if that's the case, fuck this revisionist shit. Porky niggers can fuck right off.

Dengism at its finest. Ho Chi Mihn is spinning in his grave.

Also, I don't know if it's boomers or 14-year-olds in this thread defending this trashy shit, but you can fucking get porn on the internet for fucking free, there's exactly zero reason to pay extra to go on the fucking bikini plane if you're not a porky on a prestige hedonism binge.

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Oh wow, well that's a massive shame. Goddamn it

oh yeah I forgot women don't have free will.

This is one small step away from ancapism.

These women come from a still largely impoverished country that hasn't fully recovered from the wars in the 20th century that defined its birth.

Literally look up cockshott and his take on the "C"PV and the "Socialist" economy of Vietnam
Also look up the fact that Cockshott has been deemed an enemy of the state in "Socialist" China

No
No
Market one
Market forces

Wow almost like it's not Socialism

REEE SEXIST

Do you realize how dumb that line of thinking is yet or do I have to keep mocking you?

*REEE EXPLOITED

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Wage labor is voluntary, dumbass. Ever read Marx? He’s selling his time in order to live. He’s not working because he wants to

is this a serious argument? how do you have a red flag.

Vietnamese here, remember when /lefypol/ says it's anti-idpol?

This is literally idpol.

I also remember when Zig Forums says it's not SJW, this is SJW.

Sending letters to Engels to beg for money is not working.

owned im giving u karma

I'm pretty sure they are all city girls from Hanoi or Saigon.

Naturally meaning that they’re all rich.

If they aren't rich, they wouldn't be able to work as airline hostess.

That's actually a high-income profession here.

I’m aware. Strippers and prostitutes make good money too.

This is the whole point, being pressured into this sort of degrading work to escape poverty.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Yo, they are in this for fucking money, dawg.

They can escape poverty by doing honest job, but no, they want the fucking dough.

This is for the actors/actresses/models/e-celebs/camwhores, WORLDWIDE.

Is this the power of Dengism?

HOOOOOOOPCCCCCHIIIIIEEEEE

why can't they just nationalize the bikinis

Are you opposed to private airline in general or just bikini airline?

Also, Vietjet has national funding, I think.

Literally no one cares that they’re wearing bikinis, it’s that this supposedly socialist state now effectively has Hooters planes. It’s the sort of gross excess of capitalism that would even make Americans blush.

Isn’t Vietnam going full Dengist? You’re going the route of suicide nets on factories.

All private airlines. The bikini thing is just icing on the shit cake.

Fortunately, the Vietnamese government is a lot more inefficient and corrupt, so they aren't treating the people China-tier bad yet.

But it's getting close, that's why there are so many Chinese protests.

It's literally girls in bikini. Are you fucking gay? Are you a SJW?

So not this one.

Objectifying women as part of a business strategy is inherently reactionary. However the most anti-socialist thing about contemporary Vietnam is their cozy relationship with the US. Fuck those traitors. Any nation that has friendly relations with the US cannot be socialist.
See
archive.is/82vqL

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I just hope they aren't traps

Vietnamese here
Aren't you supposed to be "progressive".

Also, Vietnam is friendly to US & Japan because China literally invades and occupies Vietnam's territory.

Its bad because a Private Airline with Bikini Laden Hostess's for those who are able to pay is not the behavior of a Socialist Country

Yeah, Mao literally fucking hookers and offering to send women to Nixon and Kissenger, is that a behavior of a socialist country?

I dunno about anybody else but NOBODY is missing socialism in Vietnam, food lines were literally a thing here.

Anecdotal stories of Mao fucking hookers with Nixon is not the same as private bikini airlines etc
Well at least you know your country isn't socialist unlike SOME people ITT
it's more about the Vietnamese goverment twisting the meaning of socialism to suit their personal ends

Yeah, it's even worse. You can look it up with Mao and Nixon meeting.
There's no "socialist" country on this Earth as the retarded Zig Forums want people to believe.

The existing socialist is hellhole with food lines and everyone having the same shitpay working in some kind of cooperation.

That thing was very real in 70-80s after the "liberation", so everybody in Vietnam knows.

N.K
Cuban Republic
And even more if you count states that don't have socialist economies but have governments friendly to socialistic policies and governments (Venezuela / Nicaragua / Bolivia etc)

N.K and Cuba are both basically food self sufficient at this point because of the 90s

A despotic planned economy propped by China is socialist?
Banana republic with private properties.
Venezula and Bolivia are literally failed states, with Venezuela in particular being hilariously mishandled first by Russia and now China.
NK is still not sufficient to this date and still require aids from China and the UN (LOL).
Cuba, I'm not sure about.

most of what NK imports from China and Russia nowadays Is Oil / Diesel / Petrol for obvious reasons (It obviously needs something to power its tractors / Cars)
So of course NK needs to import Oil unless of course you just want them to pull Oil out of their fucking ass
Cuba does have a very limited NEP-style economy of capitalist enterprise but this different to the Vietnamese / Chinese "Capitalism painted Red" economy because the amount of Capital enterprise allowed to exist is severely limited and the crucial parts of the Cuban economy (Agriculture / what little industry they have) is kept firmly under the governments control

What? No
Bolivia has been developing at a rather Rapid rate under its Left-Social Democratic goverment

The Venezuelan goverment despite the economic issues still holds the trust of most of the Venezuelan people

Yo what about the food though, the food is where that matters.
Their biggest enterprise in Cuba is tourism, and it depends entirely on keeping Cuba a 50s looking shithole for nostalgic purpose. Their goal has literally shifted.
With all the drug money right?
The people who are now running from the state and are horribly regressed by the people's police.

Like I pointed out it is now almost entirely food self sufficient
The only weak Link in the chain is the Oil export necessity
Cuba has literally never banned people from coming to Cuba and it hasn't shifted its stated economic goals at all
The only reason that tourism to Cuba died inbetwenn the 50s-90s was because of the Cold War
Citation needed
No by the constitutionally required Majority / Plurality of Venezuelan people in a open election

Proof and I don't buy it.
No retard, the point is that the biggest enterprise in Cuba is tourism, and for now "communism" in Cuba serves for tourism for a practical purpose.
insightcrime.org/investigations/bolivia-the-new-hub-for-drug-trafficking-in-south-america/
Yeah, they are fucking leaving the country.

No Cuba's claim to being Communist is because it is lead by a Communist Party that operates the economy under Socialist Methods
>insightcrime.org/investigations/bolivia-the-new-hub-for-drug-trafficking-in-south-america/
This dosent prove the Bolivian goverment being complicit in this
Hurr durr

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_presidential_election,_2018

Did I say I thought girls in bikinis were gross? No, I said a fucking Hooters plane was an egregious excess of capitalism.

Also, are you implying that receiving subsidies make a company not private? Because Vietjet is a private company run by a billionaire porky.

Hes not a Dengist hes just a "Socialism dont work cuz muh Breadlines" Motherfucker

Vietnam was an impoverished hellhole colony of France and then an American puppet state until the dirty socialist Ho Chi Mihn won independence for it. Vietnam was poor, not because of socialism, but because it was a semi-feudal colony not a decade prior.

Also, you sure those good lines had nothing to do with America spraying your fields with Agent Orange?

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Breadlines

Though, I think to conclude, the fact that this guy exists and isn’t in a gulag where he belongs proves Jason’s point, though it’s also a point against Third Worldism.

Cockshott is an irrelevant TERF western chauvinist. He would be rightfully banned here if he posted his appalling take on "anti imperialism".

You can separate an old mans social views from his contributions to economic theory you know

The hostility doesn’t come from his gender critical feminism or views on imperialism, but for advocating a transition to socialism.

Their food imports are tiny compared to their food production.
cfr.org/blog/north-koreas-food-situation-stable-and-improving
By comparison the ROK imports more than 80% of it's food lmao

pic related

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Is….Is this a BAD take on Imperialism????

It's a good take
Is not me

Nice 2016 article faggot

We don't need Unruhe to tell us this lmao

No, we're communists. "Progressive" is just another word for left-liberal. Also, as has been mentioned earlier: it's not the bikinis that's the problem here, but rather the commodification of sexuality.

This is literally the same argument capitalists use!
Have you no shame?

Only mouth-breathing trots call the USSR at any point after war communism "state capitalist". Read a book

Orthodox Trots don't call the USSR state capitalist and if YOU had ever read a fucking book then you would know that Hoxha, Mao, and anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninists in general CONSTANTLY refer to the USSR as state capitalist after Khrushchev took power.

Oh, also leftcoms call the USSR state capitalist, so yet another group we can add other than "mouth-breathing trots".

Take that fucking flag off, you clearly haven't earned the right to use it.

Finally, the NEP was AFTER war communism and Lenin himself literally referred to the NEP as state capitalism.

Take that motherfucking flag off.

hoxhaism is distinct from Marxism-Leninism, Maoism is a different thing all-together. Marxist-Leninists don't claim the USSR stopped being socialist after Khrushchev took power

leftcoms are irrelevant outside of internet circlejerks. all those post 91' "leftists" a la syriza who reject the USSR as "state capitalism" are revisionist opportunists.

You wrote something imbecilic and are sperging out for being called out on it. MLs never make the undialectical claim the USSR turned "state capitalist" or "revisionist" or a "degenerated worker's state" after x point in time. This is pure garbage that spouted by trots and general opportunist splitters

Maoist and hoxhaists are ML
Also for an ameretard you act like you have any knowledge of socialist history
Also calling everything "opportunists" is retarded
And everyone is a leftcom this days
Also most people in thus board call ussr revisionists after x and consider themselves ml

"It has not occurred to them that state capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic. If in approximately six months’ time state capitalism became established in our Republic, this would be a great success and a sure guarantee that within a year socialism will have gained a permanently firm hold and will have become invincible in our country."
t. Lenin
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/may/09.htm