Cuban president backs same-sex marriage

Cuban president backs same-sex marriage

Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel has backed same-sex marriage. The Cuban leader, who took over from Raúl Castro on 19 April, said he was in favour of recognising "marriage between people without any restrictions".

In an interview with TV Telesur, he said doing so was "part of eliminating any type of discrimination in society".

It comes as Cuba is in the process of updating its constitution, which had defined marriage as between "a man and a woman".

The proposed constitution will replace the 1976 national charter once a popular consultation is concluded and the draft has been approved in a national referendum scheduled for February 2019.

Official attitudes towards homosexuality on the Communist-run island have changed over the past decades partly thanks to the efforts of Raúl Castro's daughter Mariela.

Ms Castro, who heads the Cuban National Centre for Sex Education, has been a vocal defender of LGBT rights.

"We've been going through a massive thought evolution and many taboos have been broken," Mr Díaz-Canel told Telesur.

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That's fine. I wish the best for Cuba and it's people.

So this is what they allowed Private Property to exist for?

Good
The Cuban Model of Requiring popular referendum to Verify Constitutional Changes is good for preventing some Yeltsin from wiggling his way into power and Raining down a Capitalist Restoration on the population

There is nothing wrong with pragmatism. m

Private Property / Capitalist Enterprise has never been fully abolished in Cuban Society the goverment simply commands the vast Majority of the MoP and Mainly allows Private Industry to handle the Distribution of goods / Service industry and the Recognition of Private Properties existence in the Constitution simply allows for the goverment to better Regulate black Market Sectors of the economy

Good thing, I think LGBGTQ+ Marriages are fabulous.

don't care

Heterosexuals are jews

Bye bye Cuba. Enver Hoxha was right, as always.

Dykes should be illegal, fags legal. This is not communism.

something something abolishment of the family unit

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Shit take. What they are changing about the constitution is the article stating "no Cuban may exploit another". Non-state socialised enterprises (self-employment, cooperatives, communes ect) have existed since the Revolution. What these reforms are legalising are petit bourgeois private enterprise, mostly so it can expand the bourgoing tourist industry. Personally I oppose it in the extreme purely because anything private small businesses can do coops can too: and the latter are far superior to the former. The "muh black market" stuff mostly right, but you don't regulate it by legalising private ownership of the MoP, you deal with it by integrating it into social MoP ownership systems.
As for the other constitutional cases, outside of "legalising" gay marriage (it isn't a legalisation, but merely altering the law so gay marriage has the same constitutional status as regular marriage), there are a few political reforms to decentralise power out of the presidency to the premier and general secretary (which is good).

but god is a jew

This is good. Being gay in Cuba sounds like a lot of fun.

okay

They allowed private property to exist because it turns out you can't indefinitely maintain a socialized economy in a tiny, economically isolated island country.

Yet another thing ⛏️rotsky was right about.

What do you mean ⛏️rotsky was right about this? Everyone who can see things for what they are knows this.

Cool that they have equal rights though.

Marxist-Leninists literally call Cuba 'revisionist' for doing the only thing that might keep its economy going for a few more decades.

Oh yes, I remember the ML literature condemning Cuba… Stop taking memesters as representatives of ideologies. It will soothe your mind and stop me from calling you an idiot.
But I dont see how Cuba can resist becoming Capitalist. The sanctions are tough, and they cant really become sufficient and/or keep up with the first world anyways. They will always be buffered by the movements of larger, capitalist nations.

Communists should be aiming at abolishing the family, not giving it more legitimacy. Marx and Engels must be rolling in their graves witnessing this.

Enough of feeding the ,,Cultural Marxism'' meme. Let people who want to marry, marry.

I'm more in favor of the "extended family" unit since the "nuclear family" is kind of a capitalist meme.

That's not true. Marx was a family man and never talked shit of families.
Even if he did he's wrong.

Read Engels; communism is incompatible with the nuclear family and marriage, the former of which being an industrial capitalist invention and the latter of which being a patriarchal domestic slavery arrangement.

He is not a messiah. And attacking concept of marriage was a huge mistake. Feeding the meme of ,,cultural Marxism'' is always a bad idea.

Left wing is not hive mind

Things change.

I have a question for you thought. What are you going to do with people who want to marry?

I don't care about whether or not someone thinks cultural Marxism is real. They're going to complain about it regardless of what we say, so we might as well say the correct thing.
No, but certain things are objectively incompatible with the communist movement.

If I said 'communism is incompatible with capital accumulation', would you say 'Left wing is not hive mind'? Of course not.
Yes, and obsolete institutions vanish.

Marriage is already becoming increasingly viewed as a mere legal convenience and will eventually disappear altogether.
Nothing. People will stop wanting to marry gradually with the abolition of capital, religion, and all social reasons to marry in the first place.

Also, I forgot to point this out earlier, but Marx absolutely did 'talk shit of families'. The fucking Manifesto has an entire page or so dedicated to abolishing the family.

No
Then I'm not a communist

The Jews don't even worship YHWH.

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Oligarchism dosent exist in Cuba
The Bougie Class Allowed to exist is a Extremely Limited NEPman Class that is Monitored and Ultimately at the Mercy of the Goverment and the DoP
And no this isnt the same as Chinese Capitalism with a Red Face


Yes but a Petite-Bougie Private Sector and a Non-Regulated Black Market have existed to
It only makes them De-Jure Legal and Recognized by the Constitution
Castro Himself issued Licenses and Rented Land to NEPmen style Petite Bougies who were / Are Monitored to Ensure no threat to the DoP exists from them
This Includes Restaurants (Usually Family Run) / Taxi's / Mechanics / Small Artisans / Independent Craftsman etc

Marx and Engels talked about abolishing the ==BOURGEOISIE CONCEPTION== of the family, not family itself. You are right that Engels spoke against the institution of marriage, but only because he saw it as bourgeoisie in origin as it was based upon property rights and inheritance and would always lead to the proliferation of immorality and prostitution. In his view, people would engage in purely monogamous relationships in socialism/communism naturally as theirs would be sex-love based rather then property/financially based and thus would choose single partners accordingly.

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You also seem to misunderstand what Marx and Engels mean by abolish, btw.

I don't think you're really disagreeing with me at all. I'm not saying families as a concept would disappear under communism, just the idea of an atomized nuclear family with a husband and a wife and their children.

I probably should have specified of course, but when communists say 'the family' it's usually inferred that we're referring to the traditional nuclear family.

And yes, I agree that monogamy would probably be the norm just because that seems to be the biological preference of most humans, but I do think polyamorous relationships would probably be a lot more frequent than they are now. Pure speculation, of course, but it seems like a rational prediction.

Wouldn't the family just whither away if you change the material conditions that give rise to it? Guess the family is a bit more resilient than Leninists thought…

just another step in his 10 year plan to turn Cuba into Puerto Rico 2

Really not deserving of anything other than a shoulder shrug. LGBT rights and tolerance in Cuba have been on the upswing for the last twenty years or so and has essentially already been legalized in the public consciousness. If the State wants to jump on board and make it official good on them but we don't really need to have tears of joy or anything over it.


I don't really like the tone of these posts but I kind of agree with them anyway. I'm pretty sure Cuba's going to start turning into a CINO State pretty soon and will start using IdPol victories such as this to claim its still pursuing the socialist project/distract from the coming privatizations and capitulations to America